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29th October 2020, 03:50 PM
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I'm glad you mentioned Shami Chakrabarti. She was the one that tried to sweep all of this under the carpet and then was awarded a seat in the House of Lords from Corbyn! She needs removing from the House of Lords. Or better yet, just shut the Labour party down completely. So you support tory dictatorship then? Good to know. |
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29th October 2020, 03:57 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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29th October 2020, 03:59 PM
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29th October 2020, 03:59 PM
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The Welsh government are not working in the interests of Wales, they're playing games with people's lives, just like Andy Burnham, another bloody terrible Labour mayor. The Labour Party are a menace across the UK, shut the Labour party down and say good riddance to it. Bearing in mind that Burnham had the support of most of his region's Tory MPs, in what way is he playing politics with people's lives? |
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29th October 2020, 03:59 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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Bit like the Tories who are riddled with closet racists, climate change deniers and people who think the death penalty should be brought back! All parties have their extreme natures. The good news is that the current Labour leadership are willing to stamp out anti-semitism and win the support back of the Jewish community. And of course in the Tories, anti-semitism, though anti-semitism in the Tories tends to manifest in the very dangerous canard of anti-semitic control, Soros + illuminati-like conspiracism, up to and including current members of the government. Not (though yes, some of Labour's problems went beyond this) debates over whether it's okay to criticise the Israeli government. They are a horrific party, and the few women and minorities they do promote end up making things worse for the rest, which is hardly great feminism or equality. |
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29th October 2020, 04:00 PM
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Thank God Jeremy Corbyn and the Labour Party never won last year's general election, we would never have known about any of this.
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29th October 2020, 04:04 PM
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Have you stocked up on soy sauce? I see Remoaners have now turned Project Fear into Project Drear. Remoaners boring British people over their precious EU and what could have been. The Labour Party can't save you now, the UK will never be back inside the EU project. |
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29th October 2020, 04:06 PM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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I find it amusing you're choosing to mock us by saying 'the Labour Party is dead' rather than the entirely more realistic option of 'the Labour Party has just turned into the British version of the US Democrats'.
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29th October 2020, 04:10 PM
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The owls are not what they seem
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PeaceMob, this is a place for debating and not personal insults. Any more of that and you're getting a warning.
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29th October 2020, 04:12 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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I find it amusing you're choosing to mock us by saying 'the Labour Party is dead' rather than the entirely more realistic option of 'the Labour Party has just turned into the British version of the US Democrats'. As long as Trump stays in power then it's all good. Aside from that, I don't really care about American politics and I especially don't care about the Democrat Party. |
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29th October 2020, 04:18 PM
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The end of Michaels posting blockade is the *only* thing good about this particular instance of peacemob crawling out from under his rock to shout at the youths
The Welsh government are not working in the interests of Wales, they're playing games with people's lives, just like Andy Burnham, another bloody terrible Labour mayor. The Labour Party are a menace across the UK, shut the Labour party down and say good riddance to it. I lived in Salford when Burnham was elected (he got my second preference and the greens got my first because while I strongly believe the Green Party are a waste of oxygen, their candidate had the best manifesto and vision for GM) and can say with all my heart that he is an excellent Mayor, a great fighter for the people of GM and has the support of the absolute majority of people throughout the City I see Remoaners have now turned Project Fear into Project Drear. Remoaners boring British people over their precious EU and what could have been. The Labour Party can't save you now, the UK will never be back inside the EU project. I think you’re technically correct here to say that the United Kingdom will never be an EU member state again. But that has more to do with the fact that certainly before the end of this decade, if not within the next handful of years, the UK will have ceased to exist. |
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29th October 2020, 04:22 PM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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As you were, "Peace"mob
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29th October 2020, 04:26 PM
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29th October 2020, 04:29 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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The end of Michaels posting blockade is the *only* thing good about this particular instance of peacemob crawling out from under his rock to shout at the youths I lived in Salford when Burnham was elected (he got my second preference and the greens got my first because while I strongly believe the Green Party are a waste of oxygen, their candidate had the best manifesto and vision for GM) and can say with all my heart that he is an excellent Mayor, a great fighter for the people of GM and has the support of the absolute majority of people throughout the City I think you’re technically correct here to say that the United Kingdom will never be an EU member state again. But that has more to do with the fact that certainly before the end of this decade, if not within the next handful of years, the UK will have ceased to exist. If your predictions are anything to go by in the last couple of years, I don't have anything to worry about there. The UK will be stronger than ever outside of the EU, the UK can be a force for good in the world, Global Britain is the future, the UK-Japan free trade deal recently and the CPTPP membership and freeports coming next year are just the beginning. |
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29th October 2020, 06:07 PM
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So Corbyn is suspended from the party following this report but Tony Blair got away Scott free for killing thousands of Iraqis - proper order PLP
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29th October 2020, 06:15 PM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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Now this is an example of where cancel culture would be a big plus.
The rantings of two lunatics. It's like watching two bots or two Alexas in a neverending loop. |
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30th October 2020, 01:11 AM
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WINTER IS COMING
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So Corbyn is suspended from the party following this report but Tony Blair got away Scott free for killing thousands of Iraqis - proper order PLP They're two different issues here. However I do agree Blair got away quite lightly. Corbyn has been suspended because he's done what he's continually done through his time as Leader of the Labour Party.. he just cannot help himself. The report is damming and it points out anti-semitism was rife within the party. Corbyn pipes up that it isn't actually that big of a deal! It's almost like he wanted to be suspended. Just so politically naive from him. Funniest part right now is the people have have raised £330k for Corbyn's legal fees. I know I've said he has a cult like following before, but it's true. So many more better causes people could be donating their money to rather than a millionaire's legal fees. |
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30th October 2020, 03:01 AM
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I'm a paragon so don't perceive me
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They're two different issues here. However I do agree Blair got away quite lightly. Corbyn has been suspended because he's done what he's continually done through his time as Leader of the Labour Party.. he just cannot help himself. The report is damming and it points out anti-semitism was rife within the party. Corbyn pipes up that it isn't actually that big of a deal! It's almost like he wanted to be suspended. Just so politically naive from him. Funniest part right now is the people have have raised £330k for Corbyn's legal fees. I know I've said he has a cult like following before, but it's true. So many more better causes people could be donating their money to rather than a millionaire's legal fees. Thing is though, I disagree that the report is damning. It notes the improvements the Party were making, its main concern is with the historical cases of Livingstone and Bromley, and it fits with the other evidence that suggests that once a procedure was put in place and Formby elected, the incidents dropped off. The report also mentioned nothing about the Labour staffers that hampered Corbyn's efforts to deal with it, as far as I can see. That's a failing of that report. I don't want to get too conspiratorial or whataboutery about the commission itself but the EHRC refusing to investigate Tory Islamophobia a few months ago really does stand out. So yes, fighting this is a fight only an old man with no future in leading a party would take (because politically I can't see it shifting the needle of public opinion too far no matter what happens), but I can understand, after your team put in a lot of effort to respond to the claims, being indignant at the headline that 'this proves there was anti-semitism', because it's a lot more complex than that. Most damning thing I can say about Corbyn is the coverup with that mural, but for a man who has spent his lifetime fighting racism, he'd want to clear his name generally and work to make sure smears like this can't be used against future leaders who speak truth to power. Also, the Labour Party aren't officially saying why Corbyn is suspended, they need to - and Article 10 in the report appears to protect Corbyn on the basis of his statement. This could take a while, he may be found to have been unlawfully suspended. |
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30th October 2020, 08:44 AM
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Shakin Stevens
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Exactly, and stop calling Corbyn a cult! Are centrists a cult to then? It’s just a diminishing tactic to make your arguements look a lot more sensible when they are all political opinions at the end of the day!
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30th October 2020, 08:48 AM
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The media are all saying the reason because he said the extent of ant-semitism within the party isn't as bad as the report makes out. If hadn't said that he wouldn't have had the whip removed. Was not the contents of the report as such.
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