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Suedehead2 View member profile	May 2 2019, 04:25 PM Post #1
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,653 User: 3,272	Gavin Williamson has been sacked as Defence Secretary for apparently being the source of the leak from the National Security Council meeting last week. The Telegraph reported details of some of the discussions regarding the possibility of Chinese telecoms company Huawei being involved in building the 5G network in the UK. Williamson still denies being the source of the leak. Theresa May has said that she does not think the matter should be referred to the police, despite the fact that it is potentially a breach of the Official Secrets Act. A cynic might think that a police enquiry would reveal that Williamson had nothing to do with the leak. If that is the case, it means that the offending minister remains a member of the Cabinet. OTOH, if Williamson is the source, he is now lying and accusing the Prime Minister of dishonesty. Just another normal day in the life of this government.


Silas View member profile	May 2 2019, 05:22 PM Post #2
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,074 User: 3,474	If the discussions were covered by the secrets act then the cops should be involved. Although the cops should be involved in a lot of investigations into members of parliament that the current aren’t. coughtheleavecampaigncough


Popchartfreak View member profile	May 2 2019, 06:54 PM Post #3
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,812 User: 17,376	swears he didnt do it on the "lives of his children". If I were that innocent I'd demand an investigation to prove it. That said, 5G, a bonanza for the government of China to add to the Russian bonanza that have been meddling and controlling and stashing cash all over the place. This is the future.


Steve201 View member profile	May 2 2019, 07:56 PM Post #4
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,140 User: 5,138	Thinks far too highly of himself Williamson - reminds me of Cameron a bit with his born to rule arrogance.


Brett-Butler View member profile	May 2 2019, 08:06 PM Post #5
Howdy, disco citizens Joined: 16 January 2010 Posts: 12,775 User: 10,455	The result of this happening is that when you talk about the "disgraced former Defence Secretary", you now have to specify which one you're talking about.


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 03:39 PM Post #6
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	MUPPET.


blacksquare View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 03:43 PM Post #7
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 25 July 2016 Posts: 4,364 User: 23,471	Has there ever been a worse education secretary? How does he have a job?


crazy chris View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 03:45 PM Post #8
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 22,001 User: 53	QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 6 2021, 03:43 PM) Has there ever been a worse education secretary? How does he have a job? Funny teachers used to say there could never be a worse one than Gove. The Education job seems to be the poison chalice,in Governments, certainly Tory ones.


Klaus View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 04:00 PM Post #9
❤️❤️➕🟦 Joined: 3 June 2012 Posts: 22,246 User: 17,160	Because they never have any experience of actually working within education and have no awareness of the practicalities of what they’re implementing


Rooney View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 04:18 PM Post #10
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,596 User: 88	QUOTE(common sense @ Jan 6 2021, 03:45 PM) Funny teachers used to say there could never be a worse one than Gove. The Education job seems to be the poison chalice,in Governments, certainly Tory ones. People always say that, and as T Boy says a lot of it is down to the fact they have no experience in the sector and are there because of other reasons e.g. being big names, allies or well liked by members. The big difference between him and Gove as Education Secutary, is Gove at least cared and had somewhat of a plan. And you can't really say the same about Williamson. It's baffling how he gets these big jobs, he must have some dirt as he is a truly terrible politician in every sense possible.


T Boy View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 04:25 PM Post #11
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	Williamson is awful because he’s just really incompetent. Like I wouldn’t expect to agree with everything an education secretary was doing but this one literally cannot do anything right. I feel for England schools with today’s announcement as there will be huge pressure. It’s not perfect in Wales but at least Kirsty Williams is doing an adequate job. I’d hate to be stuck with someone like Williamson. The big problem is the at most of these politicians have never even been to a state school. I’m sure when Williamson just wanted to pile all the children back into crowded classrooms, he probably couldn’t see past the small well behaved classes he was used to from his private school days.


Suedehead2 View member profile	Jan 6 2021, 05:01 PM Post #12
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,653 User: 3,272	As others have said, Gove was unpopular because teachers didn't like what he did. Williamson is unpopular because he is utterly clueless and incompetent. Williamson is, of course, a former Chief Whip which means he will know a lot of dirt on various Tory MPs. You have to wonder what he knows about Johnson beyond what we already know.


blacksquare View member profile	Jan 7 2021, 09:48 PM Post #13
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 25 July 2016 Posts: 4,364 User: 23,471	Again — how does he have a job?


T Boy View member profile	Jan 7 2021, 10:13 PM Post #14
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	Ugh, he only wants schools closed in name, doesn’t he?


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 13 2021, 12:09 PM Post #15
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	Sure you weren't Gav. Sure.


T Boy View member profile	Jan 13 2021, 01:32 PM Post #16
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	Ugh, I hate him. Can we also stop pretending that only this new variant was a threat to schools? Schools weren’t really safe with the original...


Botchia View member profile	Jan 13 2021, 02:56 PM Post #17
I Drink Wine Joined: 12 April 2015 Posts: 10,484 User: 21,753	QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 7 2021, 09:48 PM) Again — how does he have a job? I think the only reason he's still in post is because he's being used (and will continue to be used) as the whipping boy / scapegoat for the education mess that the Tories have created over the past year (not that he isn't culpable for it, just that the leadership obviously think it is better to have 1 senior minister to blame rather than a succession of senior ministers to blame).


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 13 2021, 07:46 PM Post #18
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 13 2021, 01:32 PM) Ugh, I hate him. Can we also stop pretending that only this new variant was a threat to schools? Schools weren’t really safe with the original... Although that is a fair point - during the second lockdown (November 2020) schools remained open and case rates came down in all but Kent and London... where the new variant first became prevalent. So I think the new variant with much greater transmissibility made schools more effective vectors of transmission and the need to close inevitable (vehemently denied by Boris and Co. until 5 hours before they announced them closing).