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 27th October 2022, 11:33 AM
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 #38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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So I think what Lee Anderson is saying, is that he'd usually follow female MPs into the toilet, right?
peak gammon. Also - latest Private Eye has some interesting insights about him. Thoroughly unpleasant person. |
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27th October 2022, 10:43 PM
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QUOTE(dannjohn @ Oct 27 2022, 09:44 AM)  i'm not sure there's that many people in parliament who are fully pro-trans To be fair there's quite a lot of pro trans MPs in the commons, obviously mainly in opposition parties but even some Tories are fully pro trans - Caroline Nokes is the most prominent but several others (Theresa May wanted to make life easier for trans people don't' forget). Yet Sunak pick someone who despises trans people as equalities minister. Like putting Rosemary West in charge of childcare say. I don't even think most Tory MPs are really anti trans personally - but it's the type of prejudice that people get away with because it's an easy target which enrages a small amount of the people with very little if any fightback from the trans people themselves (and they don't have lobby groups protecting them). And when their policies are failing, they bring out the culture wars card. Grim. |
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22nd December 2022, 03:33 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scot...litics-64066938
The Scottish government have passed by a majority of 86 to 39 the Gender Recognition Reform Bill, which will makes the process of applying for GRC (Gender Recognition Certificate) much less intrusive and distressing for people and ultimately make the lives of trans people slightly better. Been following this thread live-tweeting from the gallery, which has some choice moments: |
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22nd December 2022, 03:44 PM
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Of course Scotland way in front of the rest of the UK in equal rights despite the Tories doing their best to wreck the motion. Great news!
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22nd December 2022, 04:52 PM
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I was also following their threads! They were quite detailed I thought.
Very happy to see this finally pass. It’s been on the cards for years and is the most consulted on bill in Scottish history. Things have gotten so viciously toxic around this bill. I am glad that despite the best attempts of the Tories and some phobes in other parties and the gov itself, that it has made it through relatively unscathed. Hoping now when it becomes law the debate calms down and things detoxify as the GRCs move onto another country with their hysterical make believe bullshit |
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22nd December 2022, 05:56 PM
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I kinda think the arguments around toilets fall apart as soon as you point out that most loos in premises that aren't single cubicle now warn that 'both male and female attendants clean here'.
Surely the easier job is to dress as a cleaner than trying to feign being trans. |
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23rd December 2022, 01:56 AM
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Heard the evil Tories may refuse to give this Royal assent and try to block it which will cause a bit of a constitutional crisis and further strengthen independence case. But will probably succeed in distraction from the horrific economic climate the country is in.
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23rd December 2022, 07:57 AM
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The replies to this news on Twitter is horrendous. I am very proud to be Scottish though, yesterday was a great day for the trans community.
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16th January 2023, 05:53 PM
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Does cross party support in Scottish parliament and democracy mean anything, or… |
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16th January 2023, 05:54 PM
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Union of equals, remember!
Disgusting. |
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16th January 2023, 05:59 PM
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Jesus, the first ever use of Section 35 and it's to stop a law making life easier for a marginalised group of people.
Disgraceful. |
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16th January 2023, 06:03 PM
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Shameful.
Oh well, the United Kingdom is over. Rise Scotland rise. I'm too angry to formulate a proper response rn. |
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16th January 2023, 06:12 PM
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The UK government has no shame. At all. The lengths they'll go to to make life harder is unreal. This in particular is just pure shite. Honestly just shite.
This had cross party support from every party in Scotland, even some conservatives were on the side of this being a good thing then just for the UK government to do it's usual and bulldoze democracy to smithereens. |
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16th January 2023, 06:15 PM
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Interesting. I wonder if they knew that this was likely to happen before passing the bill? I don't know if they would typically get a sense of this but I would imagine it's likely that Westminster and Hollyrood would be aware of the likely views of the other.
Regardless, I'm sure that the SNP are delighted as it will definitely further the cause for independence - they must have seen it as a win/win situation really. The only thing I'm not sure of is actually what the Scottish people think of trans rights - is there a majority among the people in Scotland for this to happen? I've seen a pretty balanced set of opinions from Scots online reacting to the news with just as many in favour as against. Difficult to know whether that translates in to the feelings of the wider nation or not though. |
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16th January 2023, 06:31 PM
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QUOTE(dandy* @ Jan 16 2023, 06:15 PM) Interesting. I wonder if they knew that this was likely to happen before passing the bill? I don't know if they would typically get a sense of this but I would imagine it's likely that Westminster and Hollyrood would be aware of the likely views of the other. Regardless, I'm sure that the SNP are delighted as it will definitely further the cause for independence - they must have seen it as a win/win situation really. The only thing I'm not sure of is actually what the Scottish people think of trans rights - is there a majority among the people in Scotland for this to happen? I've seen a pretty balanced set of opinions from Scots online reacting to the news with just as many in favour as against. Difficult to know whether that translates in to the feelings of the wider nation or not though. I think the feeling is split down the middle, mich like independence that this bill should have went ahead. The majority I see for reasons against it is that it is making life unsafe for women and children and easier for rapists and paedophiles. Personally I fall on the side of making life a little bit easier for an already victimised minority. This law is already present in many countries with no advers effects so I'm not quite sure why the UK government seems to hate this bill so much. |
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16th January 2023, 06:51 PM
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Oh I don't understand why they've decided to use powers on this one... I mean even if they're totally against it in the other nations then they had a chance to let it play out in Scotland to make a more informed decision about the rest of the UK later. I guess maybe they were scared it would pan out absolutely fine (which I do think it would, don't get me wrong) - but even then it's a bizarre decision.
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16th January 2023, 06:56 PM
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QUOTE(dandy* @ Jan 16 2023, 06:51 PM) I guess maybe they were scared it would pan out absolutely fine (which I do think it would, don't get me wrong) - but even then it's a bizarre decision. I think that's exactly why, the same legislation was introduced in Germany last year for example- they (the Tories) need to keep these culture wars alive to help them politically keep together their voter coalition, and they don't care about who it ultimately harms. It'll be a tetchy #Tyskysour tonight... |
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16th January 2023, 07:11 PM
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The United Kingdom needs to end. Not only is blocking this particular bill horrifically inhumane but why should a nation not have it’s own power to do these things without threat of the bigger bullying nation intervening?
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16th January 2023, 07:28 PM
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TERFs are an overrepresented vocal minority online, the actual polling of Scotland is generally in favour of the reform but the screeds of misinformation coming from the likes of the Daily Hitler etc do not help matters and the debate has become weaponised and needlessly toxic by confusing it with what it aims to do (streamline a process) with a whole mountain of things it has absolutely zero impact on. It makes no changes to what you need a GRC to do, or what you can do with/without one, just alters the process on how to get one to be a process that is less medicalised and less expensive and degrading.
There is far far far too much misinformation around this entire issue. There is a growing list of countries that have already introduced these reforms without issue. Indeed, the GRR (Scotland) Act 2023 is nowhere near international gold standard. It is an improvement for those whom it directly impacts but it is very much a compromise position The Section 35 order has been incorrectly applied. If there was a concern about the legislative competence of the Scottish Parliament then it would have been addressed via existing other mechanisms. This is a very big gamble by the UK Gov and all it does is add another brick in hadrians wall. Demographically speaking the Union is already on its death bed, this won't do anything to reverse the slide. It aint even giving palliative care, this is a placebo for unionists and nothing more. |
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16th January 2023, 09:06 PM
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The fact that similar legislation has been passed elsewhere has been almost totally ignored in all coverage of this issue. People could be forgiven that the Scottish legislation is revolutionary and unprecedented.
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