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23rd January 2023, 12:41 AM
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BuzzJack Climber
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Someone could likely
Make instrumentals that go with it tho. |
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23rd January 2023, 01:31 AM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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It still wouldnt be the actual song though
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23rd January 2023, 01:35 AM
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BuzzJack Regular
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This is where the Go Go Go clip came from, a single sided vinyl: https://www.discogs.com/release/25522897-Sp...-Girls-Untitled Including these tracks: A1 Woman Vocals 3:00 A2 Go, Go, Go Guitar 1:12 A3 Go, Go, Go Bridge Chorus Vocals 1:21 A4 Go, Go, Go Drum Groove 1:23 A5 Too Hot Vocal 3:10 A6 Bits, drum beats 0:29 It doesn’t seem that it’ll leak in full imminently. Whoever it is that owns this on Spice Circle says they’re looking for a way to convert them digitally. So Woman and Too Hot are just acapellas but seemingly full length, while there’s different elements of Go Go Go but not in full. Interesting… I hope we get to hear them soon because it’s certainly better than nothing! I honestly had no idea that by 1999 that vinyl would be used in this way for incomplete tracks Their post on Spice Circle: Re: Go, Go, Go… Hi All, So I feel I need to post this to clear a few things up as I’m getting loads of messages asking me to leak tracks. Also, I’ve removed my name from this post for reasons that should be obvious. On Tuesday I posted a small video clip of myself playing Go, Go, Go. Call me naive but I didn’t realise how quickly this would leave a PRIVATE Facebook group! I knew it would eventually - hence the very small clip - but some of you didn’t waste any time in boosting your social media views. And yes, I’m very well aware I don’t own the music but wow, use your brain. Within MINUTES my video was reshared on here (why?!), posted to You Tube, audio ripped and spread across Instagram and appeared on forums like Popjustice where people were discussing where it came from, the legitimacy and how I promised to share the rest. Somebody even insinuated it was stolen from Biff - which simply isn’t true. It actually scared how me quick it spread. It’s even been blogged about! The amount of private messages and comments I received that night was insane. And I’m still receiving some now. So, I panicked and deleted the original post. (I mean, it’s on YT now anyway if you wanna listen) But let’s clear this up - I DO NOT have the full, finished track. I can literally sense the dissapointment as you read that! But I never said I did - yet people are jumping ahead making artwork for it etc. In amongst all the excitement many didn’t seem to notice it was just an acapella and I didn’t engage in many comments and posts because of the madness. It was Too Much. OK. So why is it on vinyl and what else is on it? Those were the common questions - so let me leave this here… https://www.discogs.com/release/25522897-Sp...-Girls-Untitled It’s been listed on Discogs - public domain - since last year. Yes it also has Too Hot, and yes… Woman. However these aren’t the full tracks. They are vocal / acapella tracks and a couple of guitar and drum tracks. They may not be the finished things but it is a unique, interesting and exciting listen - and possibly the only way we may hear these for a long time (if at all). It’s better than nothing! So there 2 reasons I posted it. 1 - I genuinely wanted everybody to hear a bit of it and bring some positivity to the group. Spice World 25 was dissapointing and I saw how happy the C U Next Tuesday leak made everybody. And apart from Mel’s new music, 2023 is looking pretty quiet in Spice World. I wanted to provide a little lift. 2 - I’m also well aware there is other stuff out there amongst fans and collectors. My aim is to encourage more to start sharing if they want to hear more. Whatever you believe my intentions were (there will always be the negative ones who have no clue), I never set out to just tease. I hate those kind of fans! I would love more than anything to share the contents of the vinyl - even though they’re not the full tracks. However I did have a few messages reminding me that these are unreleased and due to the source of the vinyl it could be traced back to me (only a handful of these exist). It might also harm our chances of getting them officially in the future. Hence why I panicked and now I have no idea what to do? As somebody mentioned in another post - All eyes are on this and I do not want to get into trouble. Lastly I simply cannot just share them right now anyway. They’re on vinyl. I do not have these digitally. YET. I don’t have the means to do it BUT I am working on it and it will be done in my leisure (just started a teaching job in the evenings after my full time job and I’m super busy!). Patience is a virtue. So I’m sorry, there isn’t about to be a bunch of Forever session leaks. At least not from me. I’m sure you’ll hear these in the not too distant future. Let the madness die down first. Just keep the faith and let love lead the way… ✌�� I wouldn't normally quote a message this long, but I wanted to in this case so that the context of my opinion is clear. I've read (a few times now) the message that Jay posted from that user, and I can't shake this feeling: that writing style is one that I have read before, back in the days of DenDen. The part that struck me the most was this: "However I did have a few messages reminding me that these are unreleased and due to the source of the vinyl it could be traced back to me (only a handful of these exist). It might also harm our chances of getting them officially in the future." I (we) have read this type of message before. It just immediately reminds me of the buzz that was swarming just around the time when the Kennedy tracks were being teased around, and also financially campaigned for at the same time with the caveat of: "follow these instructions or we might never get them." And then Regina Phalange descended and blew that out of the water. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I know it's their cheese because they refuse to use preservatives, but aside from that ... 1) why would those vocals/beats be pressed to vinyl (of all formats) in 1999? 2) I don't see this as a coincidence at ALL that Likely Stories just leaked before this. 3) Does anyone have access to that screenshot from a few years ago of someone's digital music player that listed all of the Biff tracks and the time lengths for each? It was largely "poo-poo'd" on by everyone, but I'm curious to know what the runtime for WOMAN was given that the vocal-only track clocks in at 3:00 |
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23rd January 2023, 11:57 AM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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Wish it had just been the full Woman song in whatever stage it was at. Give fans that closure at long last lol
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23rd January 2023, 12:21 PM
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"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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Hopefully we'll get it someday
Apparently "Woman Vocals" on this vinyl is just the chorus looped over and over Whoever created this vinyl in 1999 really wanted to make sure we were all trolled in 2023 |
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23rd January 2023, 01:13 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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I wouldn't normally quote a message this long, but I wanted to in this case so that the context of my opinion is clear. I've read (a few times now) the message that Jay posted from that user, and I can't shake this feeling: that writing style is one that I have read before, back in the days of DenDen. The part that struck me the most was this: "However I did have a few messages reminding me that these are unreleased and due to the source of the vinyl it could be traced back to me (only a handful of these exist). It might also harm our chances of getting them officially in the future." I (we) have read this type of message before. It just immediately reminds me of the buzz that was swarming just around the time when the Kennedy tracks were being teased around, and also financially campaigned for at the same time with the caveat of: "follow these instructions or we might never get them." And then Regina Phalange descended and blew that out of the water. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I know it's their cheese because they refuse to use preservatives, but aside from that ... 1) why would those vocals/beats be pressed to vinyl (of all formats) in 1999? 2) I don't see this as a coincidence at ALL that Likely Stories just leaked before this. 3) Does anyone have access to that screenshot from a few years ago of someone's digital music player that listed all of the Biff tracks and the time lengths for each? It was largely "poo-poo'd" on by everyone, but I'm curious to know what the runtime for WOMAN was given that the vocal-only track clocks in at 3:00 1) it was common back in the 90s to record music onto tapes and vinyls as technically, those are still the better formats for quality of music reproduction. Vinyls were used all the time specially for internal promos and to pass on music from one person to another in order to keep the quality has high as possible. CDs are shite compared to vinyls, for instance. 2) Technically the two seem unreleased so far but the most probably was that this fan was inspired by the C U Next Tuesday leak and wanted to share some stuff too. 3) Dont know about that? I only know of the image that Biff posted on instagram back in the day that was from a promo CD with these tracks. Only Treasure said 'demo' I believe, the others were labelled with just the titles. IF the tracks on this album do end up leaking, I hope that full songs also leak cos damn it will be really a blood bath on Spice Circle with idiotic 'fans' crying that it is all shit and 'not as good as Wannabe' or whatever those people constantly say about ANY leak whatsoever... Trully, this is one frustrating comunity... There are people - the so-called Spice Elite - who have so many tracks and they never share them, ever. Screw them! This post has been edited by Mr.X: 23rd January 2023, 01:14 PM |
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23rd January 2023, 01:15 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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Hopefully we'll get it someday Apparently "Woman Vocals" on this vinyl is just the chorus looped over and over Whoever created this vinyl in 1999 really wanted to make sure we were all trolled in 2023 Jesus please don't leak this... we need it to be the full song please! |
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23rd January 2023, 01:20 PM
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BuzzJack Gold Member
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23rd January 2023, 01:32 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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Do we know who they are though? Is one of them the admin that promised to share a never-seen-before Spiceworld show? There are various people, although it is a small clique as far as we know. Orangetina and his Look At Me friend, I believe, are part of it or at least were at some point. But it is a bit nebulous... We know some who have content and have bragged about it online. There is that Spice Circle Youtube account that was started by someone on SC and shared the High quality video of Never Give Up On the Good Times live, with promises of more to come, but it has been months and nothing has come from it... |
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23rd January 2023, 02:35 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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Go Go Go sounds IMMENSE!!!
Imagine a pop album in 1999 with a single run of, Right Back At Ya W.O.M.A.N Go Go Go! Pain Proof/ Strongest Suit Some of those songs sound like 5 songs, but okay, lots of pop alnums have filler. I'm sure we couldn't begrudge the Spicy Ladies having a few on the third album after Geri's surprise exit, especially if the rnb album still came in 2000!! It's not like those demos are bad pop filler anyway. It would also rebalance their discography, so there weren't so many ballads vs up-tempos. Their albums were usually ten tracks anyway, so One Day In Your Life, those pop demos, and they're almost at a whole album!! They basically had a whole pop album ready to go, which they should have done after losing a member! Goodbye would have gone on it, too, so the album was basically ready to go. |
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23rd January 2023, 02:40 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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They could even have released Go, Go, Go before Right Back At Ya as a pot-shot at Geri!! Then Right Back At Ya would cement thrn, then onto W.O.M.A.N, the biggest hit, and finish it up with the post-album Steongest Suit/ Pain Proof double A-side.
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23rd January 2023, 04:04 PM
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"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi.
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CDs are shite compared to vinyls, for instance. Hmm, strongly disagree with that, in terms of data storage at least... In technical terms, this is hardly a discussion. In technical terms, CD (and CD-quality audio on a computer) is several orders of magnitude better than vinyl, or even analog master tape at 7.5 inches per second: Digital playback has no deviation in playback speed, whereas any analog medium suffers from numerous such artifacts, mainly classified into "Wow" (slow variations in speed/pitch) and "Flutter" (faster variations) Channel separation is limited on analog, determined by both the medium (whether vinyl or master tape) and by the electronics. Both distortion and frequency response on vinyl is dependent on whether you're on the outer or inner-groove. These effects are so severe that they by necessity affects how you can order tracks when mastering for vinyl All analog storage media, whether vinyl or tape will lose fidelity with every single playback. The same applies to the reading mechanism (pickup/needle or tape head). The reading mechanism further requires maintenance and periodic replacement, and you will periodically need to clean all aspects of it. The CD is much more robust, and will provide perfect reading even for damaged CD's. https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comment...terms_of_audio/ |
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23rd January 2023, 04:06 PM
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BuzzJack Enthusiast
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They could even have released Go, Go, Go before Right Back At Ya as a pot-shot at Geri!! Then Right Back At Ya would cement thrn, then onto W.O.M.A.N, the biggest hit, and finish it up with the post-album Steongest Suit/ Pain Proof double A-side. WOMAN is their worst song in terms of lyrics, but I love the potential funky / 70s dance vibe. Go, Go, Go sounds so Victoria’s first record-breaking album (contains hit single I.O.U.). Too Hot might be related to Mel B’s first platinum record (followed by Grammy-winning Album of The Year, L.A. State of Mind), RBAY is also another let down in terms of lyrics. You can see Geri’s storytelling was missing after she left. They went from Viva Forever to sing about wearing G-string. The same way, Geri alone is not as good as we thought when it comes to writing by herself. That proves that should ONLY release new music if all 5 are on board. That’s where the magic happens! |
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23rd January 2023, 04:42 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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Hmm, strongly disagree with that, in terms of data storage at least... In technical terms, this is hardly a discussion. In technical terms, CD (and CD-quality audio on a computer) is several orders of magnitude better than vinyl, or even analog master tape at 7.5 inches per second: Digital playback has no deviation in playback speed, whereas any analog medium suffers from numerous such artifacts, mainly classified into "Wow" (slow variations in speed/pitch) and "Flutter" (faster variations) Channel separation is limited on analog, determined by both the medium (whether vinyl or master tape) and by the electronics. Both distortion and frequency response on vinyl is dependent on whether you're on the outer or inner-groove. These effects are so severe that they by necessity affects how you can order tracks when mastering for vinyl All analog storage media, whether vinyl or tape will lose fidelity with every single playback. The same applies to the reading mechanism (pickup/needle or tape head). The reading mechanism further requires maintenance and periodic replacement, and you will periodically need to clean all aspects of it. The CD is much more robust, and will provide perfect reading even for damaged CD's. https://www.reddit.com/r/audiophile/comment...terms_of_audio/ Oh I was talking about sound quality, not data. Part of the vinyl resurgence in recent years is the fact that people got bored with the more industrial-sounds of CDs and laptops, whereas Vinyls gives you a more wholesome and broader sound quality. This post has been edited by Mr.X: 23rd January 2023, 04:43 PM |
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23rd January 2023, 05:06 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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It sounds ok better than most of what’s on Forever anyway. Darkchild for me sucked out all of what made them unique in their own way. 100% OMG THIS!!!! He sucked all the life and Spice out of thrm and left them with one of the worst albums OF ALL TIME!!! And when they had this pop album all ready to go in 1999 to save their legacy omg!!! |
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23rd January 2023, 05:15 PM
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BuzzJack Climber
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23rd January 2023, 05:26 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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The problem is they forbid their two lead producers from working with them AND Geri, and they chose Geri...
Had they not done that and released this pop album, magic! They could even have released We Are Family here for a 5th no.1 from the ssme album, too. They missed a HUGE opportunity in 1998 to cement their legacy. Everything would have benefitted - they could have varied the setlists on tour, had more songs for the musical, had more streaming songs, etc. They also missed out on not making a Christmas song or album! |
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23rd January 2023, 05:30 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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23rd January 2023, 05:40 PM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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WOMAN is their worst song in terms of lyrics, but I love the potential funky / 70s dance vibe. Go, Go, Go sounds so Victoria’s first record-breaking album (contains hit single I.O.U.). Too Hot might be related to Mel B’s first platinum record (followed by Grammy-winning Album of The Year, L.A. State of Mind), RBAY is also another let down in terms of lyrics. You can see Geri’s storytelling was missing after she left. They went from Viva Forever to sing about wearing G-string. The same way, Geri alone is not as good as we thought when it comes to writing by herself. That proves that should ONLY release new music if all 5 are on board. That’s where the magic happens! What the hell are you smoking over there hun? Pass that dutch please cos that was a wild ride of a post lol You're judging demos of unfinished songs that you havent even heard in full based on pure conjecture and your preference for Geri's work. Geri, the artist responsible for some of pop's most cringe lyrical content ever like Bag It Up, Half of Me and most of her post Schizo work? Like, lyrically Forever was definitely an improvement (even if you don't like the music itself/the record). It was just different things they were writing about. Songs like Wasting My Time, If You Wanna Have Some Fun, Oxygen, Holler and Tell Me Why are cleverly written, on the same standards as Spice and Spiceworld. None of their solo works compare to quality of the writing of the group's output, even though Northern Star, Schizo and Free Me get very close. In each occasion, they were working with top notch producers/writers (William Orbit, Ret Lawrence, Biff) and also including producers/writers who already had a strong history with them (again Biff and Absolute in the case of Geri). In the case of NS and Forever, they had a strong backing from Virgin's A&R team. By the year 2001, that team had moved on to other artists and didn't work on their solo works anymore. What does that indicate to you? That Geri was the cherry on the cake of the writing OR that after they left their group's teams they had no more access to top notch producers/writers and quality A&R teams to support them? The quality in music and lyrics went south after 2000, and thats not because Geri wasnt in the group. It was because they had changed and were no longer working with the people who got the best lyrical content off them. |
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23rd January 2023, 07:51 PM
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Buffy/Charmed
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I think the lyrics sound great! Spices have always been a bit spicy. I see no problem with it.
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