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 13th February 2023, 09:39 AM
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This entire story and how the media has responded to it has really enraged me — the poor girl. |
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13th February 2023, 09:40 AM
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QUOTE(J00prstar @ Feb 13 2023, 10:32 AM)  British people in online spaces are so angry. Very little emotional intelligence. It's quite disturbing to be honest. What are they saying? |
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13th February 2023, 11:19 AM
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Desperately sad story. And the media reporting on it, downplaying the fact she was trans while they highlight it when the story is about an unsympathetic person. Awful.
These are the consequences of dehumanising trans people. |
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13th February 2023, 10:51 PM
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I haven't stopped thinking about Brianna's tragic death all day, absolutely vile and heartbreaking. She had her whole life ahead of her, from what I've seen she had a bit of a Tik Tok following and was so brave in being her true self when Britain is disgustingly transphobic.
The way various media outlets are reporting about her by her deadnamed, miagendering or just referring to her as a "transgender girl" is quite frankly disgusting. I'm seeing comments all over Twitter saying utter hateful nasty shite that I won't repeat on here in fear of triggering anyone. This has to stop, JK Rowling, the far right media and the Tory party have blood on their hands with this. When will it stop?! Leave trans people alone and stop this absolutely absurd fake narrative that people are trans to invade women's spaces! It is a myth and just frankly doesn't exist. I think for me it's not enough to not be transphobic, people (myself included) need to be anti transphobic and show up for trans people. Trans lives matter and trans women are women and trans men are men no matter what the media and the ugly disgusting TERFS suggest otherwise. |
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13th February 2023, 11:10 PM
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I read an article last night, as the death of a 16 year old in a park is shocking, and then I read the comments... The press really can rile up hate in this country
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14th February 2023, 08:46 AM
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Such a heartbreaking story, and I can't believe the Times actually deadnamed the poor girl.
(Actually, on second thoughts I can believe it of them) |
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14th February 2023, 08:58 AM
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I think the worst aspect of this for me is that the „alleged“ perpetrators are just 15. Which means they’re probably her classmates. The thought of doing such a horrid thing is vile, but at that age? Exactly where did they learn that hatred from is the question plenty of people in the media and right wing should be asking themselves. Especially from influential people like JK Terfling who plenty of young kids do look up to as the author of Harry Potter.
A senseless and needless loss of life. I did see something on twitter about the local authority and local police having a history of minimising and dismissing serious bullying. Had they actually taken this seriously, perhaps Brianna might still be alive |
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14th February 2023, 10:04 AM
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I don't know how I feel about the vigils. I hope the family take some comfort from them. It feels to me a bit gruesome as well.
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14th February 2023, 10:07 AM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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I was explaining recently to my sibling how trans rights have in many ways gone backwards in this country. Go back 20 years and there was more joking at trans people's expense, yes, but also much less hysteria and outright vitriol directed in the direction of trans people specifically.
There was a trans kid at my highschool 10-15 years ago and even in our religious community nobody was actually intimidated by the concept. It was looked on as a curiosity, but ultimately something private like a medical issue. |
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14th February 2023, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(J00prstar @ Feb 14 2023, 10:04 AM) I don't know how I feel about the vigils. I hope the family take some comfort from them. It feels to me a bit gruesome as well. I think it's important for the trans community and people who knew of her to deal with their loss across the country and showing solidarity with trans people. |
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14th February 2023, 04:20 PM
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Brianna's murder is now being investigated as a hate crime.
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14th February 2023, 04:40 PM
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The whole thing about it not being a hate crime initially did not sit right with me. Two teenagers murdered her it’s very likely they knew her already. My heart breaks for her and her family I cannot believe she will be misgendered in death. My cousin is 15 and trans and I cannot bear the thought they could do that to her too. It’s f***ing disgusting!
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14th February 2023, 05:03 PM
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there's nothing straight about plump Elvis
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I also think there's a bit of a question mark over the hate crime thing that some people are jumping on.
The fact she is dead is awful either way. But the fact that she was trans doesn't necessarily suggest that she was murdered BECAUSE she was trans, and I do feel to an extent that there's some bad faith behind suggesting that there would be a miscarriage of justice if that didn't turn out to be the case. By all means, investigate all angles, of course. I just think if I was murdered by some nutter, say because they wanted to steal my phone or something and got carried away, it wouldn't necessarily be a hate crime just because I'm a minority. I want the focus of the case to stay on Brianna herself, not the beliefs of the perpetrators - until that is proved to be relevant directly. |
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14th February 2023, 06:21 PM
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I don't think people are getting carried away with saying it's a hate crime at all, and is now being investigated as one! A lot of her friends/family have reported she was bullied for being trans which largely went unnoticed and ignored by the police and could have been prevented which makes me so mad
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14th February 2023, 06:26 PM
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Shame on the media reporting.
What an upsetting incident - I think being reminded that she was born in 2007 really hammers home how young she was...
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14th February 2023, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE(J00prstar @ Feb 14 2023, 10:07 AM) I was explaining recently to my sibling how trans rights have in many ways gone backwards in this country. Go back 20 years and there was more joking at trans people's expense, yes, but also much less hysteria and outright vitriol directed in the direction of trans people specifically. There was a trans kid at my highschool 10-15 years ago and even in our religious community nobody was actually intimidated by the concept. It was looked on as a curiosity, but ultimately something private like a medical issue. I'm not sure I think it's gone backwards. The hatred and fear has always been there, the people simply didn't have the multiple platforms to express it so easily without facing up to the people involved. Most of the people who spout hatred online wouldn't say a word in real life, which doesn't make it any better of course but it doesn't mean they weren't saying the same things in their social groups years ago. I've known trans people for many years and their lives 15-20 years ago were far worse than they are now in terms of acceptance. It's a sign of how accepted they have become in a lot of communities that we're getting this vocal backlash from scared right wingers - honestly years ago my friend would be actively shouted at, spat at and threatened on a regular basis when we were out and it would stem from a whole range of different people. These days the looks are still there but it's rare that she hears anything directly targeted at her. And on this specific instance, I do think it's important that people show their support and actively challenge the way some people are talking about the situation. The vigils are appropriate imo and I think it's actually quite a natural reaction to show support for any child who has been brutally killed like this. I know it could be the case that this crime was as a result of some other thing but carrying a knife suggests a pre-meditated reason which most of those aren't - and realistically (and sadly) history has taught us that it is likely to have been that the perpetrators were transphobic. I've been kinda reassured a little today at work that a lot of my colleagues were talking about how awful it was and how inhumane it has been that people have been using the death as an excuse to discuss pronouns etc - there was a real sense of disgust about those who have been doing that. |
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14th February 2023, 07:20 PM
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It's horrible that even a cold-blooded murder of a trans person is still something that some people feel a need to debate over, this is a simple horrific crime that clearly had hateful motivations if nothing else, and warrants further investigation in order to identify motives. The fact some people/media have such an issue labeling it as so is telling.
Such a horrible thing to happen. I do feel trans rights are at a good place in the UK that many young people feel confident enough and make decisions for themselves about their gender, we have many of these students in our college and no one bats an eyelid, but sadly it has meant there's been a big rise in covert transphobia particularly with our current politicians and renowned celebrities commenting on it, as well as tabloid rags looking for some bullshit to stoke a moral panic. It's just egging on hateful individuals like these so they can't feign surprise when it happens, I can't comment of course, but I'd be surprised if these two weren't influenced by this in some way. |
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14th February 2023, 07:33 PM
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I'm not opposing btw, I just don't want it to be taken over by a misleading cause and then that causes the perpetrators to get off.
I kinda assumed it was a given the cops would examine all possible angles. As for the vigils, respect to anyone that takes comfort from them. For me that kind of thing would just upset me so I wouldn't go along to it. Likewise for the one for Sarah Everard. Tbh I'm really upset by all of this. It's just wicked when a child dies or is the victim of a crime. The family will never be the same. |
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14th February 2023, 08:53 PM
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Didn't think for a second you were opposing Joops x
And yes, I agree, it is just really upsetting and horrific. I don't think I'd ever get over it if anything happened to my nephew, nevermind about the poor families who lose a child. |
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14th February 2023, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Feb 13 2023, 09:39 AM) This entire story and how the media has responded to it has really enraged me — the poor girl. Yes, exactly the reason that I was so angry when the UK Government blocked the Scottish Parliament for a few points in the polls. Surely this can only make the pain for the friends and family even worse than it already is. Can only echo the points made in this thread about how tragic and disturbing this has been. I'm not sure that I entirely accept your point about things not getting worse or going backwards Dandy*. For me the conversation has been made so toxic in recent years, partly by those who have a large platform and should know better spending all of their time vilifying the trans community, amplified by a print and social media which rewards clicks and shares - ultimately fuelled by heightening the anger and fear responses everyone has. Hard to believe that Nadia Almada got 75% of the vote to win Big Brother at the height of its popularity in 2004, and I remember a BBC documentary in the late 90s (Paddington Green?) where they followed a trans woman's daily life and there was barely any mention of the fact that she was trans. What have we become? |
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