That actually makes a lot of sense, and I really hope you are correct. The studies of public opinion seem to contradict this however with last year YouGov's UK poll suggesting: 'There has been an erosion in support for trans rights since 2018'. Often the stories that lead the news agenda can manipulate public opinion, moreso social media since the 2010s, and all it is ever used for is political gain at the expense of persecuted minorities. Maybe I'm just a pessimist, though like Sophie Ellis-Bextor sang in the late 1990s.. 'A pessimist is never disappointed'. ��

I would say from my own perspective it feels like acceptability of gay men and women, and rejection of trans people (and to an extent other queer identities that are perceived to challenge overall social norms more broadly) has come in hand in hand.

Suggesting that in some aspects it's not actually that society (macro) has changed to be largely more accepting; but that gay couples have been accepted so long as they broadly present or behave like straight couples and have become part of social fabric; while other queer people have taken on the psychological 'threat'/bogeyman space.

Funnily enough its only in the last circa 5 years I would say I have myself been on the receiving end of what feels like queerphobia FROM gay men.

That doesn't surprise me from what I see and hear but really sorry to hear about the abuse you get from within the LGBT community. I know some cis men and women claim that sexuality and gender identity are completely separate and even though I disagree with that surely basic kindness and care should stop them from joining in with the transphobia.

Of course, those individuals are being self sabotaging as once you feed prejudice it gets bigger and hungrier and will start demonising the cis gay men and women.

I thought about the last posts in this thread, about LGBT groups fighting it out when I saw this, the unfortunate, real-world consequences of a Twitter post blown up into a round of discussion over whether it's appropriate to use a common three-word hashtag for the murder of a teenager. And promoted by a bunch of Americans deciding they can speak for what people do over in Britain too.



Progressivism is one voice. It needs to be to have any chance of succeeding against conservatives. Gay people, lesbians, trans people, white people, non-white people, to promote humanity when a tragedy befalls one group doesn't detract from another group MY GOD.

Honestly that is ridiculous. Americans (no offence to board users) seem to be utterly obsessed with going all or nothing in on things.

Something like 'say her name' is a generic statement. Besides, even if the root IN THIS CASE is of a crime against a black woman, shouldn't it be a good thing if that inspiration is being taken more widely because the sentiment is shared?

Did MLK and Malcolm X ever suggest that the concept of standing up for your rights and protesting should be limited to black people only? The entire point of movements like that is meant to be to inspire everybody to join you, no? Or as many as possible at least.

Honestly that is ridiculous. Americans (no offence to board users) seem to be utterly obsessed with going all or nothing in on things.

Something like 'say her name' is a generic statement. Besides, even if the root IN THIS CASE is of a crime against a black woman, shouldn't it be a good thing if that inspiration is being taken more widely because the sentiment is shared?

Did MLK and Malcolm X ever suggest that the concept of standing up for your rights and protesting should be limited to black people only? The entire point of movements like that is meant to be to inspire everybody to join you, no? Or as many as possible at least.

I would say using the phrase "Say Her Name" would be a good thing? Enhancing the meaning of the chant outside of the US to help create awareness of other injustices. Not to mention black trans women are some of the most marginalised group of people so connecting the phrase to trans women as well could make the statement even more powerful as a cross-issue chant?

I saw some interesting view points recently regarding trans rights. One of which, relating to the recent Harry Potter game and the bombardment of people online having issues with people streaming the game etc, was that you have to create apathy or a sense of "this won't affect me" in regards to those who are the majority and voting. A lot of people got accused of being transphobic or given a lot of hate for playing the Harry Potter game/streaming it due to J.K. Rowling's stance on trans women. This obviously left a bitter taste in a lot of people's mouths (particularly with Harry Potter being a beloved franchise) and just generated a lot of push back from what I could see.

It's a very fine line/balance in getting people to understand trans issues (particularly regarding trans women) and helping to progress them vs completely off putting those you are trying to get to support them or at the very least having them in a state of apathy whereby progressive laws etc can be passed without much resistance.

I have no lived experience of being trans or any trans friends etc, but from growing up the UK during the 90s/2000s, attitudes regarding gay men/women have come a long way. And in general a lot of slurs I used to regularly hear being used when growing up (not just for gay people but also for ethnic minorities/women etc) have faded out of use and I haven't heard most used in a long time - that's one thing I do like about the more PC culture we have nowadays. Although that could also be the fact that as an adult it's much easier to choose your circle of friends etc as opposed to having to put up with people in school etc. Although the more recent generations seem to be the most progressive yet so don't think that's necessarily the case!

So apparently Finland just passed self-Id laws without any of the absolute insanity that happened in the UK/Scotland. Scotland is generally a very tolerant nation and has a lot in common with the nordics.

So I wonder how much of the variation in reaction is down to the fact that Finnish is an absolute bitch to learn given that it’s mainly American neo fascist hyper Christian alt right movements that’s funding these culture wars (along with Russia who presumably are too busy focusing on anti-NATO rhetoric in Finland atm to stoke this particular fire)