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 16th June 2016, 04:21 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 16 2016, 09:11 AM)  No those of us who are voting LEAVE are not racist but realise that we can't go on with half of Europe coming here. As Nigel says, we need controlled immigration like Australia has. We're full and our services like health, housing and education are stretched to their limits. Enough is enough. Which might possibly be a vaguely valid point if not for the inconvenient fact that the vast majority of Europeans are still in their country of origin. Even a lot of Leave campaigners accept that the Australian immigration system (whose intention, incidentally, is to increase Australia's population) is totally inappropriate for Britain. A large proportion of European immigrants to the UK only stay for short periods. Immigrants to Australia generally intend to stay permanently. A look at a map will help to explain why. |
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16th June 2016, 05:04 PM
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I think the Brexit campaign has just been shot in the foot by the far-right. Can't see us leaving now after the terrorist attack on our own doorstep.
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22nd June 2016, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Jun 16 2016, 06:04 PM) I think the Brexit campaign has just been shot in the foot by the far-right. Can't see us leaving now after the terrorist attack on our own doorstep. There was a raving-loony attack, but I didn't hear of a *terrorist* one. Any late predictions (or revisions)? |
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22nd June 2016, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 22 2016, 03:27 PM) There was a raving-loony attack, but I didn't hear of a *terrorist* one. Any late predictions (or revisions)? It was a terrorist attack. A white shooter, who's been brainwashed by the kind of hate that papers like The Sun and Daily Mail preach. All terrorists could be described as "raving loonys". |
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22nd June 2016, 02:51 PM
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I think we've forgotten though that, if everything else is equal, a white Christian attacker is just mentally ill whereas a Muslim attacker is automatically a terrorist. That's just plain common sense.
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22nd June 2016, 03:28 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 22 2016, 03:27 PM) There was a raving-loony attack, but I didn't hear of a *terrorist* one. "Terrorism, in its broadest sense, is defined as the use of violence or threatened use of violence (terror), often targeting civilians, in order to achieve a political, religious, or ideological aim." Considering the attacker shouted "Britain First" and said his name, in court, was "Death to traitors, freedom for Britain", it is quite clear his motives were politically charged, and therefore should be viewed as a terrorist attack. He's being charged "under terrorism-related protocols" anyway. I'm still worried that Leave will win, but I've grown completely tired of the whole referendum and if I didn't vote early I would find it very hard to motivate myself to go and vote. I've also had to block a lot of people on Facebook until after the referendum because they would be posting 10+ statuses about it every day. 
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22nd June 2016, 03:46 PM
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I cant wait for this Referendum thing to be over. I'm sure Jo Cox would still be alive today if it wasn't for this f***ing referendum that the media have been clogging our ears with every day for the past few months. smh
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22nd June 2016, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 22 2016, 03:27 PM) There was a raving-loony attack, but I didn't hear of a *terrorist* one. Any late predictions (or revisions)? If the bloke was a devote Muslim called Abdullah or something like that you'd probably call it a terrorist attack. :/ |
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22nd June 2016, 04:03 PM
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Hopefully we're leaving the EU. But I'm doubtful.
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22nd June 2016, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE(Hazza Chapman @ Jun 22 2016, 04:46 PM) I cant wait for this Referendum thing to be over. Because I'll retreat back to just the UK Chart Forum? 
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22nd June 2016, 05:31 PM
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50.5% remain / 49.5% leave
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22nd June 2016, 05:32 PM
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Sadly, I'm almost certain the result will be leave. It's scary that people are listening to the likes of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove & Rupert Murdoch rather than the vast majority of thousands of actual experts. It's even more scary that this is occurring right when I'm looking for a job.
The EU is not perfect and there are issues with democracy, although EU law making is faaaar lower than the Leave campaign are claiming. There is yet to be any significant evidence provided by the Leave campaign and it's supporters that we will be better off out. I notice Vidcapper that you completely ignore every valid point that is raised, particularly seen here as the murder of Jo Cox was quite obviously an act of terrorism, no matter what your views on the referendum, and it is quite worrying that people are being influenced by the media's initial portrayal of him. |
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22nd June 2016, 05:36 PM
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This should never have been a referendum
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22nd June 2016, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jun 22 2016, 05:20 PM) Because I'll retreat back to just the UK Chart Forum? What? |
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22nd June 2016, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(Harve @ Jun 22 2016, 06:31 PM) 50.5% remain / 49.5% leave help I was saying earlier, it's going to be so much worse if it's just a couple of % or something that leave edges it by, because that will just make me think that if so many young people weren't so apathetic, it would have been different  Obviously it's awful with 2% or 20% (not that it will be that high either way) but it's just going to really hurt if it's so close.
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22nd June 2016, 06:40 PM
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Can't see us Leaving still, there's been a swing back for Remain over the past week. The Remainers are just far more silent than Brexiters imo.
Still, it's a scary thought we could be seeing Nigel Farage very smug on Friday. |
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22nd June 2016, 06:43 PM
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I am still confident of a remain vote, it will be close - but not within the bounds of legal action at around 54 to 46 in remains favour.
With regard to Thomas Mair, he is absolutely a terrorist - by its very definition - however his motives political or otherwise are unclear. As with Omar Mateen, whose motivations may or may not have been influenced by his own internal torment and conflict created due to his own sexuality and its implications within the religion he follows, Thomas Mair had been suffering with mental health problems for some time (and even sought help that very morning but was turned away). It is therefore far too early to find any link between his political views and his actions at this point. |
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22nd June 2016, 06:52 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Jun 16 2016, 09:11 AM) No those of us who are voting LEAVE are not racist but realise that we can't go on with half of Europe coming here. As Nigel says, we need controlled immigration like Australia has. We're full and our services like health, housing and education are stretched to their limits. Enough is enough. Other folk have replied beautifully. I'll just add under half of our annual immigrants come from the eu. Gove johnson and farge fail to point out that thry have all failed to mention that or explain why thy havent stopped non-eu immigrtion with just such a policy. They could do that right now. There is no intention fom the likes of gove and farage that the number of immigrants will drop, just that thy will be "poor disadvataged" white english speaking immigrants instead of dodgy poles and muslims. Just like australias racist policy USED to be. Leave have not said they will stop immigration nor have they given any figures for it that it will fall to, gove denied being even aware of the figures until he decided to join the campaign. Twat. |
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22nd June 2016, 08:19 PM
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Remain 58
Leave 42 75% turnout |
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22nd June 2016, 08:22 PM
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Yes, it's me.
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QUOTE(Chez Wombat @ Jun 15 2016, 10:54 AM) Definitely not as confident as before, but I'll say Remain will just about win with 53-47, with around a 65% turnout. Wouldn't be surprised if England voted Leave and it's Scotland/Ireland that just keep us in. I'm afraid we can't keep you in.
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