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Posted by: Jonjo 5th March 2020, 08:51 AM

New album is coming in the Summer.

Posted by: LMLou 5th March 2020, 09:16 AM

It somehow feels too soon, even though it’ll be more than 3 years after Witness
Think she should wait till she gets at least another NRO sized hit

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 5th March 2020, 10:02 AM

Might not even happen.

I'm glad to hear an album is coming. I hope it's an improvement on Witness, and I'm intrigued to see what makes it out of what we've had so far.

Posted by: Juliano 5th March 2020, 04:18 PM

Well I want it, as long as it's on par with atleast Prism I'm great with it.

Posted by: Wall 5th March 2020, 05:31 PM

She probably doesn’t want to do a lot of promo after giving birth, I’m guessing we could possibly have a world tour early next year though

Posted by: Jordan Lee 5th March 2020, 06:34 PM

I think this will be more of a album for fans than a full on return to music / touring.

I expect this will tide fans over until 2022 perhaps.

I think she might shoot a load of videos before she gives birth to promote tracks on the album.

Posted by: slowdown73 5th March 2020, 07:56 PM

While I’m a big fan, I think Katy will struggle to have a strong comeback unless the material is stronger.

Posted by: Scene 29th March 2020, 09:07 AM

She should take a breather until 2022 imo. Never Really Over was a return to form for her but the following singles didn't cut it. I'd rather she waits, spends time cooking up great pop and making the general public miss her than to release her album too soon and it bombs more than Witness.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 29th March 2020, 06:49 PM

I wonder what way Katy’s gonna go after she becomes a mum.

Will her career go down the Xtina route or the Pink route?

Posted by: Scene 30th March 2020, 01:11 PM

I just hope we don't get a postnatal equivalent of Never Worn White.

Posted by: JulianNial 1st May 2020, 11:32 AM

Oh sugar! A snippet of her new single leaked.

So it's called either 'Smile' or' Grateful' right?

WHO KEEPS DOING THIS TO EVERY ARTISTS?!?!

Posted by: Janet 🙅🏼‍& 1st May 2020, 03:06 PM

It sounds like International Smile!

Posted by: JulianNial 2nd May 2020, 01:55 PM

Which I am COMPLETELY okay with since it's a huge bop.

Posted by: Beef Curtains 2nd May 2020, 02:09 PM

They never do it to the male ones - well, not that Drake and Kanye are aryisys. They force people to camp out in studios making songs for them whilst rhey eat expensive food, staring at the camp aggressively as they do so, in order to try and intimidate them.

Posted by: legendsglory 7th May 2020, 04:04 PM

The first single is called 'Daisies' and will be out Next Friday.

Posted by: LMLou 7th May 2020, 04:07 PM

Surprised she seemingly isn't putting NRO on the alum after it's massively positive response

Posted by: Juan Carlos 8th May 2020, 12:39 AM

The album is reportedly to be called Smile and it's expected to be released on June 26. There are going to be 13 songs in the standard version, including "Never Worn White". "Never Really Over" will be attached to the album as a bonus track and "Harleys In Hawaii" will be on the deluxe edition.

The track was going to be called "Smile", but it was changed to "Grateful". FYI, it's been said that this is the next single.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 8th May 2020, 12:44 AM

June 26 is rather soon!

I’m here for some new music from her though as her first three albums all had quite a few many individual tracks that I liked on them. Teenage Dream is her magnum opus at this point in her career but I’m excited to see what this album sounds like and if her pregnancy has played a part / influenced the sound.

I can see this peaking higher than both Witness and her debut as well here in the UK there’s definitely still interest in her and i think this has potential of perhaps winning back some casuals what were lost during witness she’s definitely getting more positive press lately anyways!

Posted by: 365 8th May 2020, 04:15 PM

Katy has given away the standard track list using an e:flower site.

www.katysdaisies.com

1. Never Really Over
2.
3.
4.
5. Daisies
6.
7. Grateful
8.
9.
10. Harley's in Hawaii
11.
12.

It seems Never Worn White and Small Talk have not made the standard. Good choice.

Posted by: Liam.k. 8th May 2020, 04:18 PM

Well that looks much better with 'Never Really Over' opening! Not fussed about 'Harley's in Hawaii' but it has its fans so I guess has a place.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 8th May 2020, 04:23 PM

So Daisies isn’t the lead single after all or is it

Posted by: Scene 8th May 2020, 04:31 PM

Great to see NRO opening the album. It would have been a DUMB decision excluding it when it's her best song ever.

Posted by: Andrew. 8th May 2020, 05:39 PM

Omg it's happening it's happening

Posted by: Beef Curtains 8th May 2020, 06:20 PM

I bet they're kicking themselves that Harley wasn't just the second single

Posted by: Liam.k. 8th May 2020, 07:17 PM

'Small Talk' was such a weird choice. They just had a well-loved, decent performing pop hit and they follow up with something so non-eventful and plodding.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th May 2020, 03:09 AM

Glad that "Never Really Over" and "Harleys In Hawaii" made the cut and they are in the album.

Posted by: Bjork 9th May 2020, 01:26 PM

NRO had to be on the album, would have been crazy not to
her post calling Daisies 1st single was a tad misleading

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 9th May 2020, 10:35 PM

So relieved the suggestion that 'Never Worn White' is on there but not 'Never Really Over' isn't accurate. I would have gone spare. :lol:

Posted by: Jordan Lee 9th May 2020, 11:44 PM

I wonder what the vibe of this album is gonna be like.

I don’t see it being experimental like Witness yet also can’t see it being a pure pop return like Teenage Dream.

I think this might be Katy’s toned down era (the Joanne in her discography) Ryan Tedders worked on it and I think he said she’s showing how great a singer she is on this record. I think it’ll be pop but in a more toned down kind of way.

Posted by: Jordan Lee 13th May 2020, 01:19 PM

Twitter is saying August 14 for album release date

Posted by: Juan Carlos 15th May 2020, 06:17 AM

Billboard is confirming that release date too.

Posted by: Atonement 15th May 2020, 07:26 PM

Has it been confirmed that 'Harleys in Hawaii' and 'Never Really Over' are on the album? If so, she made exactly the right call by including those two bops and excluding 'Small Talk' and 'Never Worn White'.

Posted by: slowdown73 18th May 2020, 10:11 PM

I actually prefer the other two !

Posted by: Juan Carlos 19th May 2020, 03:03 AM

There are references of "Never Really Over" and "Harleys In Hawaii" in the site below, while there aren't from "Small Talk" and "Never Gone White", so it's most likely that the first two song made the cut in the album.

http://www.katysdaisies.com/

Posted by: slowdown73 20th May 2020, 08:04 PM

I suspect never worn white and small talk could be bonus tracks on the deluxe edition. It would be nice to have both on a physical cd!

Posted by: slowdown73 30th June 2020, 10:33 PM

I wonder if this album is still coming on 14th August? I would have expected more news by now.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 1st July 2020, 12:30 AM

I don’t think we’ll get another single until either July 31 or August 7.

But we should get some news at some point soon like the albums name and track listing followed by the cover.

I’m quite looking forward to hearing the full album. I think vocally it could be her best yet and could manage to perhaps win over the critics too even if commercially it ends up as her lowest seller.

Posted by: Cameron 2nd July 2020, 08:24 PM

She said in an interview that not all of the released tracks will be on the album (as we know) but she is putting Never Really Over on it.

Posted by: slowdown73 3rd July 2020, 02:03 PM

I hope it at least manages to outsell witness. How much did that sell?

Posted by: RobBot 3rd July 2020, 02:59 PM

I think it's Never Really Over, Harleys In Hawaii and Daisies!

Posted by: dannjohn 3rd July 2020, 07:48 PM

I think shes confirmed NWW is on the album?

Posted by: 365 4th July 2020, 11:27 AM

As already mentioned a few times in the thread the flower website gives away the track listing. Since then she has revealed more song titles that match the lyrics so we have:

1. Never Really Over
2.
3.
4. Daisies
5. Resilient
6. Teary Eyes
7. Smile (feat. Diddy)
8. Champagne Problems
9.
10. Harleys in Hawaii
11. Only Love
12. What Makes a Woman


No lyrics match NWW or Small Talk but you never know they could be on a deluxe?

Posted by: Andrew. 4th July 2020, 02:52 PM

Champagne Problems to be a Megatron cover please

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 8th July 2020, 06:42 PM

Can anyone confirm if this is legit?

Posted by: Andrew. 8th July 2020, 06:43 PM

I... think I stan it? if it’s real lmao

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 8th July 2020, 07:19 PM

I like Smile as a title but that cover not so much.

It would’ve looked better textless (if that’s actually the cover) but the red clown nose is making it look like a charity single cover for Red Nose Day.

She’s had some great covers though. Witness had a really good album cover tbh.

We’ll soon see if that’s the real cover. She’s revealing it on socials soon.

Posted by: Andrew. 8th July 2020, 07:22 PM

Omg

Yeah I've appreciated all her covers but Witness is breathtaking. I don't think that, along with her general IMAGE that era helped it with the casuals though.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 8th July 2020, 07:31 PM

This explains the albums title really need to hear this full interview tbh

Posted by: slowdown73 8th July 2020, 09:57 PM

The album cover and font looks very dated. Not keen to be honest. Hope the music is better!

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th July 2020, 03:55 AM

This is legit.

http://katy.to/smile

Posted by: Andrew. 9th July 2020, 04:28 AM

It’ll get dragged but I love the cover

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th July 2020, 04:52 AM

This makes sense (and it's clever as well).

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 9th July 2020, 08:28 AM

That is a total disaster.

Mind you, Witness had a spectacular cover and the content was mostly woeful so hopefully the opposite will be true of this.

Posted by: 365 9th July 2020, 08:33 AM

Here's one that isn't rendered by a fan.

Posted by: 365 9th July 2020, 08:36 AM

A disaster really?


I really don't like the font on the bottom half but the top half is gorgeous. Apparently one of the versions of the album doesn't have the giant Smile, and is just the top picture in full - I'll look forward to that.



I like this version a lot.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 9th July 2020, 09:50 AM

I definitely like this one more!

Posted by: troublepink 9th July 2020, 11:37 AM

I'm not sure I like it, but an album cover doesn't always represent the album so I'm not too bothered and maybe it'll grow on me.

I really liked the 'daises' style and was hoping for something more like that.

Posted by: Liam.k. 9th July 2020, 11:45 AM

^ same I was hoping for something more in the style of 'Daisies'

I like the concept but it's very B-tech art. The second one looks better.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th July 2020, 12:06 PM

"Teary Eyes" is track #3 on the album and it's scheduled to be pushed as the next single (after "Smile") in September.

Posted by: Andrew. 9th July 2020, 12:36 PM

I really love the cover in fact, in both incarnations I'm so excited !!!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 9th July 2020, 01:17 PM

Is 'Smile' a promo single between that?

Posted by: Slick 9th July 2020, 01:57 PM

I really don't like the cover. It's probably only an issue for the UK market but it just makes me think of Red Nose Day. Orlando shoulda said something!

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 9th July 2020, 02:14 PM

Red Nose Day was the first thing I thought of when I saw it

That and Take That's 'The Circus'

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 9th July 2020, 02:40 PM

Release date is 14th August, which is the same day as Biffy Clyro so I think she'll miss out on the #1 here

Biffy's last album opened with 37k, Witness opened with 16.1k

Posted by: Nick Jonas 9th July 2020, 09:06 PM

Oh dear

Posted by: Voodoo 9th July 2020, 09:12 PM

All the tracks' lengths are up on iTunes, and guess what? They are painfully short (bar Never Really Over, of course). The closing track clocks at 2:12. Eek!

Posted by: Andrew. 9th July 2020, 11:08 PM

They're really not particularly short for pop album tracks in 2020, 8/12 are over 3 minutes which doesn't say anything these days.

Posted by: Jay* 9th July 2020, 11:10 PM

I personally don't have any issue with the time lengths right now, given that we've not heard them yet to be able to judge whether they make sense being the lengths they are. Sometimes a song is great for being short and sweet!

~

I've pre-ordered the Deluxe CD (Lenticular Fan Edition) and the Spotify Exclusive vinyl

Posted by: Andrew. 9th July 2020, 11:13 PM

Despite not having Spotify for five months I am also classed as a top listener :') I deffo prefer the picture disk over the Spotify custard vinyl and they're the same price so yeah, if anyone wants the 'Spotify Exclusive' in my place the link is https://shopuk.katyperry.com/*/*/Smile-Spotify-Exclusive-Vinyl/6L5U0000000 x

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 9th July 2020, 11:27 PM

It’s kinda the new norm now for tracks to be shorter for some reason!

Arianas thank u, next and Gagas Chromatica for instance have tracks which are kinda short in length.

It’s better for streaming sites supposedly but it’s unfortunately just the way music is at present. Maybe they’ll be good tracks though who knows.

What’s on the deluxe what isn’t on the standard? I may have missed this. 12 tracks feels quite good for an album tbh.

I’m still not sold on that cover I like the concept behind it though I just keep picturing Red Nose Day though the font is worst thing though that Smile text in huge letters on the bottom. I’d like it more as a textless cover but trying not to focus on album artwork as sometimes fantastic covers doesn’t mean great albums and then there’s cases of brilliant albums with meh covers.

Not long to go until this is is fully out though!

Posted by: Andrew. 9th July 2020, 11:28 PM

Small Talk, Never Worn White and something else I can't remember

Posted by: Calum 9th July 2020, 11:40 PM

I like the artwork - while it appears sub-standard it's clever but it's hardly offensive. She's more or less proven her point already going by some reactions :')

Posted by: Jay* 9th July 2020, 11:58 PM

I like the album cover too! I think the use of font is very bold - it commands your attention and it's different to the norm.

Here's another photo from the shoot:

Posted by: Juan Carlos 10th July 2020, 02:47 AM

"Small Talk" and "Never Worn White" are included in the Fan Edition of the album.

Not really. The title track is going to be the third single and "Teary Eyes" will be the fourth.

Posted by: JulianNial 10th July 2020, 11:13 AM

I wouldn't be mad if they tacked 365 on there too.

Posted by: J🐠hq 10th July 2020, 11:49 AM

Miss out on the #1? I think the top 10 will be a stretch

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 10th July 2020, 12:13 PM

I think she should be able to get a top 3 debut tbh. Sales will be around Witness or slightly lower which would be enough for top 3 in today’s charts.

Can’t see her missing the top ten.

Posted by: J🐠hq 10th July 2020, 12:33 PM

Witness included a top 5 hit, was following a much more successful era and was released in a better time. But even if her opening week sales halved, that would still have been enough for top 3 last week so fair do's.

Posted by: Andrew. 10th July 2020, 02:22 PM

Yeah you need 4k to get top 10, if Katy actual Perry couldn’t get that through Buzzjack sales alone I’d be shook IIRC Witness was only on pre-order a few weeks before it was released and far less fan bundles. This has a good month of pre-order and all the bundles should hopefully mean she can scrape 10k at least.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 10th July 2020, 02:32 PM

I think she’ll be on around 12k this time. That’s my prediction.

I think there’ll be some people buying multiple copies with the different formats what will help her and she should also stream quite good too.

Posted by: slowdown73 10th July 2020, 05:51 PM

Deluxe edition has 4 bonus tracks according to Amazon.

Posted by: 365 10th July 2020, 10:15 PM

Love this version so much.


According to insiders at ATRL that leak all her info, Smile isn't a single for now - and Teary Eyed is the follow up to Daisies.

Posted by: Cameron 10th July 2020, 10:18 PM

That version of the artwork would legit be her best album cover!

Posted by: dannjohn 13th July 2020, 09:03 AM

Thank god 'Smile' isn't a single...

Posted by: Juan Carlos 16th July 2020, 08:40 PM

This seems to be the tracklisting.

1. "Never Really Over"
2. "Cry About It Later"
3. "Teary Eyes"
4. "Daisies"
5. "Resilient"
6. "Not The End Of The World"
7. "Smile"
8. "Champagne Problems"
9. "Tucked"
10. "Harleys In Hawaii"
11. "Only Love"
12. "What Makes A Woman"
13. "Small Talk"
14. "Never Worn White"
15. "Daisies" (Acoustic)
16. "Daisies" (Oliver Heldens Remix)

Posted by: JosephStyles 16th July 2020, 09:11 PM

We stan the inclusion of Small Talk and Never Worn White for a tidy iTunes and last.fm

Posted by: Andrew. 16th July 2020, 10:00 PM

Yep *.*

I can see this performing similarly to Avril Lavigne's self-titled album in terms of sales.

Posted by: JosephStyles 16th July 2020, 10:08 PM

Posted by: Calum 16th July 2020, 10:10 PM

Tucked

Posted by: Cameron 16th July 2020, 10:10 PM

Never Really Over re-release please

Posted by: Andrew. 16th July 2020, 10:14 PM

'Teary Eyes' following 'Cry About It Later', queen of oxymorons *.*

I'm ready for an empowering album from Katy

Posted by: Calum 16th July 2020, 10:22 PM

Posted by: Andrew. 16th July 2020, 10:29 PM

I'm not saying it was the best joke in the world but it's really not that confusing

I like that she's done some promo here on Graham/The One Show, if at all possible I can see her getting a BGT lives performance or even Strictly.

Posted by: Jonjo 16th July 2020, 10:31 PM

'Small Talk' gets such a hard time

Posted by: slowdown73 17th July 2020, 08:25 AM

Pleased to see never worn white and small talk on the deluxe but I would have preferred the MK remix of Daisies as it’s miles better than the one they have put on there!

Posted by: UltraBeKind 22nd July 2020, 12:36 PM

Supposedly it’s been pushed back to the 28th

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 22nd July 2020, 01:36 PM

Drake is apparently releasing on the 14th so it’s a good move for her to push back if that is infact true.

Posted by: dannjohn 22nd July 2020, 01:55 PM

'Small Talk' is far better than NRO.

Posted by: Cremey 22nd July 2020, 02:07 PM

🤡🤡🤡

Posted by: RobBot 22nd July 2020, 03:53 PM

I think it's still out on August 14th digitally and August 28th physically. Further messes

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 22nd July 2020, 04:03 PM

Oops. If that’s the case we could get a top 5 debut followed by a big drop followed by a big climb then another big drop

Posted by: HausofGhibli 27th July 2020, 07:19 PM

Yep delayed until 28th August due to "production delays"? Mess.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th July 2020, 12:46 AM

This might actually help her get a better peak position tbh! Gives an extra two weeks of potential pre orders anyways.

She’ll now be competing with Drakes third week on sale if he’s really releasing on the 14th and Taylor’s album would’ve been available on all formats for four weeks by then too.

I’m kinda 50/50 on if that’s the real reason it’s been pushed back I was under the impression the albums been completely finished for a while now.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 28th July 2020, 06:52 PM

Surely it’s not been delayed because of the competition? It’s not like it’s going to be a #1 smash anyway?

Posted by: 365 28th July 2020, 07:22 PM

Nah she wanted it on the 14th because that's when she's due. It was genuinely production issues.

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th July 2020, 07:58 PM

Do you know what the production issues were, because they've had this date for ages and i've read on ATRL that copies of the album were already printed so seems odd to suddenly jump into issues (coincidentally around the time Drake's release was heavily rumoured - just to add to the conspiracy theorists!). Many websites (such as Urban Outfitters) have/had the vinyl ready to be shipped from August 14th too, so again it seemed like everything was largely ready!

One reason could be due to the Diddy version of the title track and them switching between which to include on the album? Idk~



? Either way, this is shaping up to be an even bigger disaster than Witness was. We have heard 8/16 of the tracks on the deluxe fan album, and she has done HEAPS of live performances and interviews etc, so it's not even like more promo will help.

Posted by: 365 28th July 2020, 08:20 PM

It's actually specifically because of Diddy that there are production issues, some of the vinyls were already manufactured but he (or his people) wants off.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 28th July 2020, 08:22 PM

Why does he want off?

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th July 2020, 08:26 PM

Well apparently, in the lyrics to the original version of the song they say "n*****" so I don't think it's just Diddy that now wants out

https://genius.com/Katy-perry-smile-original-version-lyrics / https://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/katyperry/smile.html

If the above tweet is to be believed, the vinyl still contains this version so I assume they are frantically shredding those copies and making new ones ~

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th July 2020, 08:30 PM

And therefore, not "production issues", but removing racist issues from a song that must have been OK'd initially.

Posted by: 365 28th July 2020, 08:33 PM

So that's why there's a gaping hole in Smile where the rap once was and the song goes nowhere. I assume there just wasn't enough time to get something else done in terms of feature. Not that there was much saving that song but i think the rap gave it a bit more life and it brought it from a 5 to a 6/10.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 28th July 2020, 08:34 PM

oh dear

Posted by: Andrew. 28th July 2020, 08:58 PM

I'm so confused? In those 'original lyrics', only Diddy says that word and unless I'm missing something...loads of rappers do that?


I smell BS

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th July 2020, 09:05 PM

Yes, but Katy sings along through that verse with her adlibs. I can hear it in my head now "woooo ", "n*****", "ooooh yeah " Regardless though, it's on a Katy Perry song on a Katy Perry album. You'd be OK with it being said on that? I can't in any way see how it would be a good move for Katy...

Posted by: Andrew. 28th July 2020, 09:10 PM

But if you read the alleged lyrics you'll see she has no adlibs during that part of the rap:


Wouldn't they just cut that line anyway?

I'm sure it probably is wise for them not to have the n-word on her song but I don't get what you're trying to say. The rap isn't on the song, so obviously they realised that it'd be a problem and changed it. It hardly seems a massive deal.

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th July 2020, 09:19 PM

I am discussing the reason her album has been delayed in a thread for... her album? I am not "trying to say" much more

Whether you or I think that her having a song with "n*****" on it is ok or not, doesn't really matter because her team clearly thought it was an issue if they have pushed back the entire album because of it and are redistributing the vinyl (if that is the case). Nothing has been confirmed, we are just discussing the reason and 365 has identified the Diddy verse as being that reason.

Posted by: Andrew. 28th July 2020, 11:05 PM

Fine then.

I wouldn't rule out a #1 debut for this, going by his last mixtape Drake's 3rd week won't be that much to compete against. The thing that might stop her getting #1 is actually HRVY's album, ik he's had very little success in the singles chart but the bundle-buying will be off the scale

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th July 2020, 11:24 PM

The Drake album is an album this time around but I don’t know if we’re looking at a Scorpion type debut or a Dark Lane Demo tapes.

Katy could perhaps do similarly to Ellie Goulding’s first week sales?

Posted by: George.keh 29th July 2020, 12:19 AM

dk whether anyone’s seen it trending on twitter but Bastille’s website page has just posted and deleted a song “coming soon” called Drunken Hearts with Katy Perry

Posted by: 365 29th July 2020, 12:06 PM

It was actually more to do with Diddy wanting off, than anything to do with him using the N word on the song.

Posted by: Cremey 29th July 2020, 12:43 PM

Diddy not being on there doesn't really make a difference (well, apart from the delay...), it's not as if he's a big selling point as a featured artist in 2020
It's probably a blessing in disguise anyway – regardless of who was saying the word, it wouldn't be great to have that word on a Katy Perry album.

Posted by: dannjohn 29th July 2020, 02:30 PM

Apparently some of the cds and vinyls printed & shipped include his version of ‘smile’.

Posted by: Liam.k. 29th July 2020, 03:05 PM

Says a lot that someone as irrelevant as Diddy now is didn't want to be associated with a Katy Perry song.

Posted by: 365 29th July 2020, 03:31 PM

I-...

:facepalm:

Posted by: Wall 29th July 2020, 03:35 PM

Iconic

Posted by: Nick Jonas 29th July 2020, 06:44 PM

This is as messy as a Britney album release.

Posted by: RobBot 2nd August 2020, 09:08 PM

We’re apparently getting brand new videos for Never Really Over and Harleys to tie them into the new era!

Posted by: Nick Jonas 2nd August 2020, 09:15 PM

So basically two new cheap looking homemade videos?

Posted by: JosephStyles 2nd August 2020, 09:46 PM

Would it hurt to be a little optimistic in this forum for a change?

Posted by: Cameron 2nd August 2020, 09:58 PM

The 5 limited edition alternative covers are amazing too! Of course, I bought the big top fan art from a few pages back!

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 2nd August 2020, 10:04 PM

I like pretty much all the fan covers more than the actual one!

My favourite being the close up shot where there’s tears down her eyes and her hair is a light pink.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 2nd August 2020, 10:05 PM

I like pretty much all the fan covers more than the actual one!

My favourite being the close up shot where there’s tears down her eyes and her hair is a light pink

Posted by: Calum 2nd August 2020, 10:09 PM

Love the new covers! (apart from the giant matchstick one)

Glad the big top cover made it - will definitely order that as opposed to the original!

Posted by: RobBot 2nd August 2020, 10:15 PM

Of all the people to critique for cheap home videos during quarantine, Katy definitely wouldn’t be the one but okay, work!

Posted by: JosephStyles 2nd August 2020, 10:25 PM

I've ordered the top left cover, the fanmade cover, it's glorious!

Posted by: 365 2nd August 2020, 10:40 PM

It's annoying none of the alternate covers are outside the U.K. I love the fan made one; the canon and the pink wig the most. In fact the only one I'm not keen on is the balls one.

Posted by: Jay Something 3rd August 2020, 11:01 AM

I like them all, the canon/matchstick one in particular is a serve!

I wish they were on her UK store! I would have wanted a picture disc, but I can't justify the postage charge and probable customs charge... that would make one vinyl end up costing over £50.

I wonder if Katy's people had to clear the usage of the fan made one, because it's copied from an American Horror Story poster: https://www.graphis.com/media/uploads/cache/d3/ea/d3eade5976847993f1ba7edb87e840a7.jpg

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 3rd August 2020, 04:07 PM

I love those, particularly the cannon and the giant matchstick one!

It's always annoying when the suppoosedly professionally designed official cover ends up looking like such a joke compared to fanmade covers.

Posted by: Atonement 3rd August 2020, 05:16 PM

NRO, HIH and 'Daisies' are great songs so I'm looking forward to the release. I hope the rest of the songs are not like 'Smile'.

Posted by: Andrew. 4th August 2020, 09:45 PM

The alternative covers are on her UK store now! They don't deliver until October 30 though, I wanna get one but will it count towards her first week sale?

Posted by: JosephStyles 4th August 2020, 10:30 PM

Nope, I believe they'll count when they dispatch.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 4th August 2020, 11:34 PM

October 30!

This album will have some such the chart run I fear she’ll be well towards the 70 something end of the chart then so for one week only she may reclimb back to where she was in week one then crash back down

Posted by: Cameron 5th August 2020, 01:58 PM

Sounds BIG

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 5th August 2020, 05:53 PM

That sounds quite like a song on the recent Ellie album called “How Deep is too Deep”

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th August 2020, 06:46 AM

Diddy is going to be featured in the album version of "Smile".

Posted by: Bjork 9th August 2020, 07:28 AM

really? Thought he wanted out

Posted by: Atonement 9th August 2020, 08:31 AM

A chance to make the song more interesting! Good decision.



Can't blame him but daddy Diddy turns out to be a generous king.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 9th August 2020, 09:49 PM

Katy played snippets of "Cry About It Later", "Teary Eyes" and "Resilient" during her livestream today and she also mentioned that "High On Your Supply" is the title of the song which will be available in the Target edition of the album.

As a side note, "What Makes A Woman" will be released a week prior the album is out later this month.

Posted by: 365 10th August 2020, 01:25 PM

They really went and chose Smile as a song to push the album with when Teary Eyes was right there?

Posted by: dannjohn 10th August 2020, 02:15 PM

I think Britney's last record was critically acclaimed?

Posted by: dannjohn 10th August 2020, 02:16 PM

Diddy's been removed from 'Smile' right? Over the use of his language on the track...

Posted by: 365 10th August 2020, 02:21 PM

It was nothing to do with his language on the track I don't know where that came from.

Posted by: Andrew. 10th August 2020, 03:14 PM

Yeah that always seemed like a reach to me.

Teary Eyes....put it the f*** out

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 10th August 2020, 04:18 PM

I don’t think they mean the sound more like how her team are handling the release.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 10th August 2020, 06:22 PM

I meant the album campaign. Or lack of.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 13th August 2020, 12:49 AM

Dua’s remix album is now out on the same day as this!

A female chart battle (in the UK at least I think Katy’s got the US #1 unless Drake surprise drops)

Posted by: 365 13th August 2020, 07:58 AM

Which he will

Posted by: 365 17th August 2020, 12:51 PM

In this week's edition of low quality snippets that sound better than the song she's released.

Posted by: dannjohn 17th August 2020, 02:05 PM

I think he utters the N word...

Posted by: dannjohn 17th August 2020, 02:06 PM

Dua Lipa's remix album is not going to be competition for Katy Perry LOL... (unless they combine sales of FN main album ofc)

Posted by: 365 17th August 2020, 02:20 PM

Rappers use the N word on white people's songs all the time. Cardi B on Maroon 5's song for example.

The reason was because a week before the song Smile was meant to be released Diddy decided the message of the song was wrong with BLM/corona/ what's going on with the world, which halted production of the album.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 17th August 2020, 02:22 PM

Sales are so low rn that Dua could sneak top ten with her remix album. I do feel I overestimated that now though now I’ve heard Levitatings remix

Posted by: Andrew. 17th August 2020, 02:59 PM

I actually think she'll be in a battle for #1 with HRVY

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 17th August 2020, 05:49 PM

HRVY seems the type who could do really well on week one with multi buying etc.

I at least do think this will have a higher peak than what Witness managed did though I cant see her missing the top 5 or even top 3 here. I think at the lowest she’ll be #3 but my instinct is telling me she’s gonna peak at #2.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 18th August 2020, 03:33 PM

I imagine Dua will be #1 if they combine it with the original album!

Posted by: RobBot 18th August 2020, 05:14 PM

I'd still be happy with top 3, Witness only reached #6 so at least it'd be an improvement on that!

Posted by: 365 18th August 2020, 05:25 PM

Yeah; I imagine 3/4 being the reality but it also depends largely on what kind of push Spotify give her.

Her baby coming in the next week could really help drive sales tbh as the nosey public love that kind of thing.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 18th August 2020, 06:14 PM

Posted by: 365 18th August 2020, 07:20 PM

Pretty sure that's a made up stat? How can they even track that? Surely it wouldn't be more than FN and Chormatica.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 18th August 2020, 08:14 PM

I'm sensing a #3 debut and possibly out of the top 40 in week two.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 18th August 2020, 10:54 PM

No shade to Katy! But I did kinda think that myself when I seen that

Posted by: Andrew. 19th August 2020, 04:05 PM

I don’t think Club Future Nostalgia is getting a physical release though, at least not immediately. With all the bundles she has I’d be surprised if she didn’t at least challenge for #1

Posted by: slowdown73 19th August 2020, 05:41 PM

Katy should be comfortably T5 first week but it won’t hang around!

Posted by: Nina West 19th August 2020, 07:08 PM

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 19th August 2020, 07:32 PM

Clips from this album for me are sounding better than what Witness as an album did. I’m thinking this will perhaps be more authentically her it doesn’t feel like she’s trying to prove a point with this album and she isn’t making statements it’s bolder / deeper than what it is either.

I’m kinda here for it actually I’ll be streaming for sure.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 19th August 2020, 08:38 PM

'Harleys' wasn't even a proper single though was it?

I still really think 'Small Talk' is the one that well and truly fucked her. This current single is a final nail in the coffin.

Posted by: JosephStyles 20th August 2020, 12:33 PM

Even 5SOS managed a 2nd week top 20 this year, I'd be hugely shocked if she tanked straight out of the top 40 in week 2.

HRVY's delayed to November so that's one less album to compete with for Katy!

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 20th August 2020, 12:47 PM

Brightest Blue by Ellie could be a guide on how this might perform I’d think.

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 20th August 2020, 01:27 PM

I'd say it'll chart around #5ish I think.

Looking at the releases I can see Disclosure, The Magic Gang, Texas, Gregory Porter and perhaps Dua Lipa (depending on how it's released/combined really) debuting above and there's also The Killers' second week which could still be strong.

Posted by: 365 20th August 2020, 01:37 PM

I think it'll go 2/3-19-38-48 ish

Posted by: Andrew. 20th August 2020, 02:05 PM

I actually think she has a shot at #1. I agree, I wouldn’t be surprised if this performed similarly to Brightest Blue.

Posted by: RobBot 20th August 2020, 03:14 PM

What Makes A Woman out now!

Posted by: 365 20th August 2020, 03:16 PM

It's a cute album closer I guess, but it's too short to leave much of a mark. She would helped herself more by releasing one of the bops.

Posted by: RobBot 20th August 2020, 03:20 PM

It's nice, I think it'll work really nicely as an album closer! I do agree that I wish it was like 45 seconds longer though.

Posted by: Andrew. 20th August 2020, 03:35 PM

It’s very cute. I’m loving the more mature, self assured Katy this era. Daisies is in her all time top 10 for me and I’m not sorry

I really think we’re gonna get a good album!!

Posted by: dannjohn 24th August 2020, 11:30 AM

'What Makes A Woman' is one of the best things shes released this era so far, except 'Small Things'.

Posted by: Voodoo 24th August 2020, 08:51 PM

Posted by: 365 25th August 2020, 09:52 AM

Signed CDs and Vinyl bundles on her UK store now.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 25th August 2020, 09:13 PM

I've heard the album. I (genuinely) can't say how, but here is my ranking on first listen!

Never Really Over
Harley's In Hawaii
Teary Eyes
Cry About It Later
Not The End of the World
Tucked
Champagne Problems
Smile
Small Talk
---
What Makes A Woman
Only Love
Daisies
Resilient
Never Worn White

I loved it. Such a return to form (coming from someone who actually doesn't hate Witness either - oops). But everything above that line (YES Small Talk too you heathens! ) is fantastic! 'Tucked' gives me 'Teenage Dream' meets 'Prism'-era Katy and I mean that in the best possible way. Just so FUN! Everything below the line is nice enough, but they're strictly filler (but I wouldn't remove any of them from the album - if that makes sense)

The way that the main pop girls have SLAYED 2020... amazing. Kudos to her - so, SO good!

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 25th August 2020, 09:48 PM

Ooh a review! So is it more mature throughout the whole album than her previous albums without giving much away and was the Teenage Dream meets Prism description you mentioned just on that one song or like throughout the entire album?

Posted by: Jonjoliday 25th August 2020, 10:36 PM

More noticeable on that one song, just because it's the most fun, pure pop track. The whole album definitely feels more mature in it's content but is quintessential Perry at the same time (ala Never Really Over). This is very much a 2020 Katy Perry album.

I don't want to give too much more away coz I always get nervous about over hyping aha. But I should imagine 90% of the forum will stan.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 25th August 2020, 11:24 PM

Adding onto those:

Not the End of the World is very Iggy/Rita - Black Widow/Dark Horse with the dramatics of L Mix - Lightning. The more I think about this the more I think it's my fave of the previously unheard - it's tied with Teary Eyes and Cry About It Later rn.

Champagne Problems wouldn't sound too out of place on Future Nostalgia. Imma pretend it'a on there over Good In Bed tbh. It's cute.

Posted by: Jack 26th August 2020, 08:03 AM

Someone prefers Smile to Daisies?!

I don't know if I can trust your judgement.

Posted by: Andrew. 26th August 2020, 08:12 AM

Daisies AND Smile might be top 10 Katy for me now ;o

Posted by: dannjohn 26th August 2020, 09:01 AM

'Smile' has to be the worst thing Katy's done in years, alongside most of 'Witness' and 'This Is How We Do'

Posted by: Jack 26th August 2020, 11:07 AM

This Is How We Do is one of her best singles though.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 26th August 2020, 11:16 AM

This Is How We Do was her worst single at the time for me but then Bon Appetit and Swish Swish topped it not long after.

Everything so far from this era has been better than those at least. Daises is her most underrated and under appreciated song since Rise for me.

Posted by: 365 26th August 2020, 11:18 AM

This is How We Do has aged like a fine wine.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 26th August 2020, 12:36 PM

This Is How We Do is amazing. Top 5 Katy for me.

But yeah. I find Smile cute, but some of her vocals in Daisies are a bit :') (even if the song is lovely).

Posted by: RobBot 26th August 2020, 03:59 PM

Smile gets too much hate, it makes me so happy

Posted by: J00psyMethyd 26th August 2020, 05:29 PM

Bon Apetit is a bop

Posted by: 365 26th August 2020, 05:40 PM

This. I always forget there's still a couple of people in 2020 who don't appreciate Bon Appetit and then I come to Buzzjack .

The video is only 20 million away from a billion views now!

Posted by: Nick F1 26th August 2020, 08:02 PM

Teary Eyes is fantastic!

Posted by: Jαsє 26th August 2020, 08:04 PM

'Teary Eyes' is everything - that's the album she should have aimed for.

The sample used in 'Not the End of the World'

Her best album since TD. Nothing comes close to the absolute pop masterpiece that is 'Never Really Over', but it's a thoroughly enjoyable listen.

Posted by: 365 26th August 2020, 08:15 PM

They really went and f***ed up what could have been a great singles campaign didn't they?

Cry About it Later, Not The End of the World, Teary Eyes, Champagne Kisses, Tucked are perfection? Teary Eyes and NTEOTW are a bit dated sounding bangers, but CK and Tucked are so fresh, almost Future Nostalgia sounding?

Posted by: Jαsє 26th August 2020, 08:18 PM

Yup

1st single: Never Really Over
2nd single: Not the End of the World
3rd single: Teary Eyes
4th single: Tucked/Cry About It Later

...if they'd have gone with something like that, I'd imagine we'd be looking at a much more accomplished era.

Posted by: Jαsє 26th August 2020, 08:18 PM

edit: double post

Posted by: Nick F1 26th August 2020, 08:35 PM

High On Your Supply is single material too.

Posted by: Andrew. 26th August 2020, 09:17 PM

Omg time to dive in

Posted by: Jonjoliday 26th August 2020, 09:19 PM

Tucked gives me Say So vibes!

Posted by: JulianNial 27th August 2020, 07:20 AM

I actually love/like every single song, I hope 'High On Your Supply' is available on streaming because It's good! 'Teary Eyes', 'Not The End Of The World', 'Champagne Problems' and 'Tucked' are my favourites after first listen. I have to praise the flow of the album too, each song complements the one before/after pretty well!

Posted by: Andrew. 27th August 2020, 09:48 AM

The album is up 50 places on Amazon since she gave birth, can Rih have a baby before R9 tyvm

(Jk of course )

Posted by: jsweetxe 27th August 2020, 02:08 PM

Her lyricism on this album is really.. not that great, neither is the cohesion of sound. I'm always so conflicted with Katy's albums because she has the makings of what makes a strong pop star, she just never fully puts that into her music. We always get a few tracks which are amazing, then some that are great and then some that are meh.

Never Really Over / HIH being on the album really helps with boosting the high points because the intended-for-Smile tracks aren't that great for the most part.

Daisies is a really nice song, especially considering what she has been through. Smile / Resilient and End of the World are quite lacklustre, they don't have those catchy, blazing KP hooks. Teary Eyed is good, but it's very dated and doesn't go anywhere towards the end when it really could have. (Roulette remains superior)

Y'all said Champagne Problems was good so I raised my expectations and eh.. not sure if they were met? I enjoy the production and flow of the song but that "crust in my eyes" lyric is so horrible, it's very "i don't wanna shower, even if i stink" from Zara. Her vocal runs/belts at the end, especially the climax, are some of my favourite Katy vocal moments, though. Not all bad.

Tucked was okay as well, I enjoyed the guitar riff but GOD going from Champagne Problem's sort of 80s/disco inspired-tinge to a 00s guitar-heavy led song is really giving me whiplash. Only Love is probably my favourite, lyrically. It's quintessential Katy, very honest with just a touch of cheese, but given what she's gone through in the last few years, it's a given.

What Makes a Woman is short but sweet, the melody is easy-going and I feel like its very telling of the album's sound and what she wanted to achieve. But the completely different sounds just.. let it down.

Posted by: JulianNial 27th August 2020, 02:55 PM

I've just realized I need 'Not The End Of The World (feat. Ariana Grande)' as a single at some point. It would suit her so well!

Posted by: dannjohn 27th August 2020, 03:14 PM

I flip flop on ‘Smile’ way too much. I actually like the song now.

The album is leagues ahead of ‘Witness’ and isn’t as patchy as ‘Prism’. I’m loving ‘Teary Eyed’ & ‘Cry About It Later’. ‘What Makes A Woman’ is very sonically catchy also. I’m impressed.

Posted by: MrAndrewMan 27th August 2020, 03:41 PM

Just listened and wow. I'm so impressed, wasn't expecting it to be anywhere near this good.


Ranking on first listen (this will probably all completely change ):
1. Only Love
2. Never Really Over
3. Cry About It Later
4. Teary Eyes

5. Smile
6. Resilient
7. Daisies
8. Champagne Problems
9. What Makes A Woman
10. Not The End of the World
11. Tucked

12. Harleys In Hawaii

The main thing that I love about Only Love is the lyrics, especially in the chorus.

The top 4 are all amazing. I actually quite like Harleys in Hawaii but it's definitely my least favourite on the album.

Posted by: Andrew. 27th August 2020, 06:32 PM

I’ve only listened once, but there were no lowlights. A fab and very Katy Perry album. It’s not even been that long and I’ve missed her so much omfg

I’d love a top 3 debut but we’re looking at #5 minimum so at least it’ll be better than Witness. I’m trying not to be bothered about numbers, she’s just had a baby she doesn’t give a f*** :’)

Posted by: HarryEzra 28th August 2020, 12:03 AM

Loved it was way more cohesive than Witness

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th August 2020, 12:45 AM

This is definitely a LOT better than what Witness was a whole piece.

It was cohesive enough that all the tracks flowed well and the story of the albums message seemed clear too.

Smile the song being a single was questionable when she had Not The End Of The World right there! That was my favourite album track on first listen. Only Love a close second.

I’d say a few songs feel too short and could’ve done with like an extra 30 seconds length or so the closing track definitely ends a bit abruptly.

Posted by: JosephStyles 28th August 2020, 01:37 AM

It's a GREAT album and mostly really cohesive!! I don't think the title track fits all that well but I do actually really like it these days.

I think she's totally f***ed up the singles though. At this point, we should have had a run of:

1 Never Really Over (unchanged)
2 Harleys In Hawaii (instead of Small Talk as originally planned)
3 Cry About It Later (when Harleys got released, so November-time, but with a full push)
4 Daisies (unchanged)
5 Teary Eyes (leading into album)

And then Not the End of the World for a post-album single if they wanted to do that. I think we'd be in a better position with the above!

That aside, I can already tell I'm going to peep this album so much more than Witness I enjoyed every song to some extent, Resilient is the weakest moment on first play but that was still pretty great.

Posted by: ...ready for it 28th August 2020, 05:38 AM

Teary Eyes is so good.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 28th August 2020, 06:32 AM

Not the End of the World is a rip off of Ellie Goulding’s ‘Hollow Crown’, but I am HERE for that!

Posted by: Jonjoliday 28th August 2020, 07:39 AM

OK so Resilient was my least fave of the new tracks... but it's an ear worm and I've come around to it already :')

NTWOTW lends itself to being a post album release with an added feature too! I could lowkey hear Post Malone on a verse.

Posted by: Slick 28th August 2020, 08:06 AM

I've just listened to this while having my breakfast and really like it on first listen. 'Cry About It Later' in particular sounds great.

Posted by: 365 28th August 2020, 09:27 AM

Listen I'm a fan of Small Talk and Daisies... but imagine sitting on songs like Cry About it Later, Not The End of the World, Champagne Problems and letting Katy's star fade with these bizarre choices?

Posted by: troublepink 28th August 2020, 09:27 AM

Just given this a first listen on Spotify. My top 3...

1. Only love
2. What makes a woman
3. Resilient


Overall its a good album. There are some tracks that aren't really what I would normally listen to, but certainly will grow on me.

Posted by: J00psyMethyd 28th August 2020, 10:09 AM

Decent. Better than Witness, not quite as good as Prism but more cohesive, not a patch on Teenage Dream.

Posted by: J00psyMethyd 28th August 2020, 10:11 AM

Teary Eyes is my early standout. Not The End of the World isn't bad (also would've been a MUCH better single to drop this year than Daisies) but is a wee bit too much like Dark Horse lite as well - production could've switched up just a bit.

Posted by: ...ready for it 28th August 2020, 10:12 AM

First listen ranking:

1. Teary Eyes
2. Cry About It Later
3. Smile
4. Daisies
5. Harleys In Hawaii
6. Never Really Over
7. What Makes a Woman
8. Not the End of the World
9. Only Love
10. Champagne Problems
11. Tucked
12. Resilient

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 10:39 AM

10.0 Never Really Over
10.0 Cry About It Later
08.5 Teary Eyes
10.0 Daisies
09.0 Resilient
08.0 Not The End Of The World
09.5 Smile
09.0 Champagne Problems
10.0 Tucked
08.5 Harley’s In Hawaii
09.5 Only Love
08.0 What Makes A Woman

This is just what I need right now lmao. Wonderful album, not a bad song and contrary to the reviews I actually think Katy explores some new ground both lyrically and sonically. Resilient, Only Love, Tucked And Not the End especially sound so fresh for her.

EDIT: The picture disc has arrived, so pretty Oh and Diddy doesn't say the N-word on Smile so idk what on earth that was about earlier in the thread?

Posted by: Klaus 28th August 2020, 11:14 AM

Why does Not the End of the World sample the Banarama song from the Gala Bingo ad 💀

Posted by: M4NGO 28th August 2020, 11:18 AM

OK so this is the first Katy Perry album I've actually liked all the way through I definitely was NOT expecting that. There's actually not a song I've wanted to skip! Completely agree on how much they messed up the singles though, in Katy's own words that was such an epic fail

Posted by: kye 28th August 2020, 11:39 AM

we have back to back bops + i’m shook!
there’s actually some awesome material here - ‘teary eyes’, ‘tucked’ + ‘not the end of the world’ are standouts for me. ‘resilient’ has really strong verses but the chorus lets it down massively.

Posted by: kye 28th August 2020, 11:41 AM

he does on the version i’ve heard?

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 11:51 AM

Fair enough then, I'm listening to the vinyl and he doesn't on there!

Posted by: 365 28th August 2020, 11:55 AM

The n word thing was just one member saying they thought the delay was because of that and you all read too much into it!

Posted by: kye 28th August 2020, 12:06 PM

maybe they’ve edited it out

does the vinyl include this section?

Fell down couple times, now we reachin' heights
Yeah, to be precise, I'ma lead the fight
Been appointed, light on your life so anointing
Catch me two-steppin', n**** stressin' is pointless
No need to worry 'cause the truth is here
And I'm smiling, b**** with my new veneers, yeah

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th August 2020, 12:14 PM

When I listened on Apple Music he wasn’t on Smile at all! Is he only on the actual CD / physical copies? I don’t think he’s on the digital versions either.

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 12:21 PM

I’ve listened again and that whole part is there but it’s faded out on the n-word and it doesn’t appear at all on the lyrics page. The rap improves the song for sure.

Anyway, Tucked is my new obsession Teary Eyes is lowkey lower tier for me Not The End of The World, not Katy giving us trap pop *.* Genre bender.

Posted by: UltraFolklore 28th August 2020, 02:00 PM

11.0 Never Really Over
08.0 Cry About It Later
08.0 Teary Eyes
09.5 Daisies
08.0 Resilient
08.0 Not The End Of The World
08.5 Smile
08.0 Champagne Problems
08.0 Tucked
07.0 Harleys In Hawaii
09.0 Only Love
08.5 What Makes A Woman

all the new songs are really good but none of them are standing out for me on first listen apart from OL aha! Such a major step-up from Witness tho tf and a really slolid album! <3

Posted by: .MIKE. 28th August 2020, 02:57 PM

I am so happily and pleasantly surprised.. I loved NRO & Daisies, but had really low hopes for the whole album/era... and..
The album is better than the previous 2 for me. Feels more mature and yet still captures that signature Katy Perry pop sound.

Never Really Over
Resilient
Only Love
daisies
Teary Eyed

These are my favourites.. but I appreciate the other songs too! I now love HIH, and Ive never listened to it after the single release day

Posted by: 365 28th August 2020, 03:37 PM

First impressions
Never Really Over 11/10
Cry About it Later 10/10
Teary Eyes 8/10
Daisies 7/10
Resilient 6/10
Not the End of the World 9/10
Smile 4/10
Champagne Problems 10/10
Tucked 8/10
Harleys in Hawaii 9.5/10
Only Love 8/10
What Makes a Woman 5/10

Posted by: JulianNial 28th August 2020, 05:42 PM

I've come back to this once again, on my 4th full listen and I'm not skipping! The only time I feel like it is when the songs I've already heard come on. I wish 'High On Your Supply' was on streaming, really like that one too. For me I'm actually enjoying this more initially than I was 'Prism', but obviously not quite near the heights of 'Teenage Dream'.

Posted by: Jαsє 28th August 2020, 07:39 PM

Cry About It Later/Teary Eyes absolutely need to be singles!

UK iTunes

34. Smile
67. Cry About It Later
150. Only Love
151. Teary Eyes
178. Daisies
221. Not the End of the World
288. Never Really Over
358. Resilient
426. Champagne Problems
672. What Makes A Woman
679. Harleys In Hawaii
1137. Tucked

US iTunes

42. Smile
94. Daisies
100. Teary Eyes
105. What Makes A Woman
106. Cry About It Later
137. Not the End of the World
150. Never Really Over
156. Only Love
303. Resilient
357. Tucked
414. Champagne Problems
462. Harleys In Hawaii
1303. Never Worn White

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th August 2020, 07:42 PM

With her just having a baby in the last few days has all the promo she’s done deliberately been done before hand and is there nothing else to come in terms of singles?

I wonder if there’s a pre recorded video / single choice lined up for the coming weeks.

Posted by: Calum 28th August 2020, 07:45 PM

Been listening to this non-stop, and it really is such a return to form. Not quite at the heights of either Teenage Dream or Prism, but this is the typical Katy Perry I love, and she's still managed to mature a lot and just make music that's meaningful to her and do what she wants.

Shame to see Resilient getting a bit of a hard time though, because I love the lyrics and it's pleasant to listen to.

1. Never Really Over
2. Only Love
3. Tucked
4. Daisies
5. Teary Eyes
6. Not the End of the World
7. Smile
8. Resilient
9. What Makes a Woman
10. Cry About It Later
11. Champagne Problems
12. Harleys in Hawaii

Not even sorry about Harleys being last; it's by far the worst thing there. Should have been replaced with Never Worn White.

Posted by: Jαsє 28th August 2020, 08:12 PM

I think my rank goes like this..

1. Never Really Over
2. Teary Eyes
3. Cry About It Later
4. Not the End of the World
5. Resilient
6. Only Love
7. Daisies
8. Tucked
9. What Makes A Woman
10. Champagne Problems
11. Harleys In Hawaii
12. Smile

Literally the two worst songs on the album were chosen as singles. You can't write it!

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 08:30 PM

#3 on Apple Music

1. Tucked
2. Only Love
3. Cry About It Later
4. Never Really Over
5. Daisies
6. Champagne Problems
7. Smile
8. Resilient
9. What Makes A Woman
10. Teary Eyes
11. Not The End Of The World
12. Harley’s In Hawaii
13. Never Worn White
14. Small Talk

Only the bottom two I’m not huge on and Never Worn White is cute, this album has been so helpful today and I’m not even joking

Posted by: Jonjoliday 28th August 2020, 08:30 PM

Lemme rectify this HIH hate... wtf!!!

1. Never Really Over
2. Harleys In Hawaii
3. Teary Eyes
4. Not the End of the World
5. Cry About It Later
6. Tucked
7. Champagne Problems
8. Small Talk
9. Smile
10. Resilient
11. Only Love
12. Daisies
13. What Makes A Woman
14. Never Worn White

I like everything. HIH however does feel out of place on the album. Small Talk genuinely fits better!

Not a single dud rn!

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 08:34 PM

I enjoy Harley’s a lot but agree it’s not suited to the album, I much prefer it to Small Talk but that sounds more in-line.

Despite choice ass lyrics I highkey want High On Your Supply on the international album as well *.*

Posted by: JosephStyles 28th August 2020, 09:02 PM

1 Never Really Over
2 Cry About It Later
3 Teary Eyed
4 Not the End of the World
5 Harleys In Hawaii
6 Only Love
7 Daisies
8 Smile
9 Tucked
10 What Makes a Woman
11 Champagne Problems
12 Resilient

A few are quite difficult to separate right now but that top 6 is FANTASTIC in particular!

Posted by: HausofGhibli 28th August 2020, 09:18 PM

Just listened! Liked it, not complete love yet but it's a cute album. It starts fantastically with the huge pop moments, then dips a fair bit in the middle, but returns to form towards the end with the majestic Only Love being a real highlight for me. It doesn't reinvent the wheel or really progress much from what she has done in the past, but in her own unique lane, this fits in nicely. She clearly has things to say and put right with this so I can imagine it was a very cathartic experience for her especially coinciding with Daisy's arrival <3

Who knows how it will perform commercially or critically, and I think for her at this stage, it doesn't matter? She beat herself up in the aftermath of the reception towards Witness but retrospectively seems to have come out stronger as a result of that, so I hope this is a wholly more positive experience for her and can enjoy life as a mother without the pressures of being a popstar.

Posted by: Andrew. 28th August 2020, 09:40 PM

No matter what the charts show, I think this era has restored a lot of goodwill amongst the GP towards Katy even if she’s not the hitmaker of the 10’s. Such a contrast from the backlash she received during Witness for...idek now lmao which was horrible to watch.

Posted by: Wall 28th August 2020, 09:59 PM

Talking about horrendous single choices

If she releases end of the world , cry about it later instead of daisys and smile

Posted by: Cameron 28th August 2020, 10:13 PM

Really liked this! Champagne Problems is the only dud on there for me.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 28th August 2020, 10:27 PM

With this album, I think it's clear that Katy isn't going for success with this (although it would obviously be a bonus).

She's just showing that she is happier and it's showing in her music and like someone else said, making this album seemed very therapeutic for her. In similar ways that Joanne, Blackout, thank u next etc.. were.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 28th August 2020, 10:55 PM

Whilst Katy isn’t going for huge success with this album I do think that if this was the album to follow PRISM it would’ve done better than what Witness did three years ago *if* the right singles were picked.

She’s been sitting on proper bangers here though and releasing tracks what are less GP friendly (but perhaps she chose what’s most representative of her rn who knows) she definitely seems happier though and I guess that’s the main thing whatever happens she’s already made it and she doesn’t have much left to prove at this point she’s just releasing music but in a more healthy way this time.

Honestly I really get Xtina vibes from Katy’s mainstream career (UK wise)

Posted by: JulianNial 29th August 2020, 08:11 AM

I was curious to see what the reviews were for the album and they're mainly mixed positive which I then thought I'd compare to 'Teenage Dream' since it's so highly regarded and 'Teenage Dream' only got mixed reviews (about the same as Witness), a lot more negative than 'Smile'. Interesting.

Posted by: Sour Candy 29th August 2020, 11:03 AM

I'm positively surprised! There are some clear standouts (such as NRO, Teary Eyes and Tucked to some extent) but none of the tracks are bad which is always nice. Hope it does decently on charts. The single choices are a bit weird I must say, even though I like Daisies a lot myself.

Posted by: Bjork 29th August 2020, 12:58 PM

The reviews ive seen have been terrible
NME gave it a 2 out of 5
And Pitchfork also gave it a bad review

Posted by: Jonjoliday 29th August 2020, 01:08 PM

Yeah... the 2 companies who hate pop like Katy's anyway...

EDIT: When it comes to pop albums I really don't take most critics seriously in all honesty, but those 2 publications are always at the very bottom of my list for who I trust with pop album reviews

Posted by: blacksquare 29th August 2020, 01:29 PM

She hasn’t had one critically acclaimed album, or one even well reviewed. It’s not a surprise. I don't think her career, in general, has been received particularly fairly in comparison to some of her peers.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 29th August 2020, 02:10 PM

I'm sorry, but whoever was behind the decision making of single choices on this album is a total idiot.

Posted by: Euphorique 29th August 2020, 02:17 PM

Should I bother with the album? I've only enjoyed NRO, all the other singles she's put out since have done nothing for me

Posted by: Klumzee 29th August 2020, 02:26 PM

I don't think they necessarily represent the best of the album, the two songs in the 'fan favourite' poll - Cry About It Later and Teary Eyes as well as the album closer What Makes A Woman are worth checking out to get a better picture of the album.

Posted by: JulianNial 29th August 2020, 03:31 PM

Okay the 'Tucked' animated video has me cackling!



I wouldn't be mad if they made this a single either with a real life recreation of whatever this is!

Posted by: Jonjoliday 29th August 2020, 03:43 PM

Absolutely brilliant!

Honestly, I don't care that it's an animated video, but use that as the official video lmao! Incredible.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 29th August 2020, 04:01 PM

What the hell did I just watch

Posted by: Jαsє 29th August 2020, 04:29 PM

Absolutely. The general consensus seems to be "why the hell were the songs which were picked as singles outside of NRO chosen when there's SO much better on the album"

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 29th August 2020, 04:29 PM

What’s the official first day Spotify streams for this?

Stan Twitter has multiple different figures and they’re so far apart from one another I don’t know which one is real

Posted by: Nick Jonas 29th August 2020, 04:34 PM

I’ve heard 7.8m but not sure how true that is?

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 29th August 2020, 04:47 PM

7.8m sounds the most true to me.

I seen one saying she done 32m but that sounded very high

I’ve also seen 17m and 25m too. Looking at Apple and Spotify’s single chart data though 7.8m feels the most like the real figure to me but iirc I think even Witness outdid that

Posted by: Nick Jonas 29th August 2020, 04:59 PM

Yes I saw Witness did 10-11m.

Posted by: Voodoo 29th August 2020, 08:32 PM

Only Love is so LUSH. I got quite emotional listening to it. Make it a Winter single, please.

I'm not surprised that the album is excellent, as I liked most of the singles (Small Talk & Harleys in Hawaii are so underrated!).

Posted by: Jonjoliday 29th August 2020, 09:18 PM

Don't forget Witness had actual hits leading into the album... not a hit that was over a year old.

But yeah I don't really care for the success of this album so much, I mean it'd be nice, but I don't think we need to be worrying about Katy's future whether this does well or not. She's happy and given us a really enjoyable, good pop album with it and it was more of a personal journey for her to get this out.

Posted by: slowdown73 29th August 2020, 10:49 PM

Well I’ve heard the album in full now. It plays very safe. There are some nice songs but it doesn’t hit any of the high notes from prism or teenage dream. I’m really glad they included small talk and never worn white on the deluxe. The Japan edition also has two bonus tracks namely; message from Katy and high on your supply. Has anyone heard these?

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 29th August 2020, 11:16 PM

I think as a whole album this could be better than Prism for me! Prism had some instant standouts and higher highs but as a whole piece Smile is stronger all the way through and it’s an album I could say I’d listen to all the way through without skipping. Yeah this is mostly a hit for me just questionable single choices.

Posted by: Liаm 29th August 2020, 11:24 PM

I'm really impressed by this album, didn't expect a lot but I don't think there's a single dud here tbh! It does play it safe, it's nothing groundbreaking but sometimes, you don't need to be. It just feels like the right album for her right now, you can tell she has released what she wants to and it's been a healing process for her. From the new tracks, my highlights would be Teary Eyes, Cry About It Later and Not The End O The World, but like a said not a single dud. It's not 10/10 after 10/10 but it's a consistent album with some bops that I love, you can just feel that she's happy and that's priceless.

Posted by: Envoirment 30th August 2020, 01:14 AM

Really like the album. I hope "Cry About It Later" is the next single and does something!

Posted by: ...ready for it 30th August 2020, 03:10 AM

I've heard High On Your Supply, it's pretty good.

Posted by: JulianNial 30th August 2020, 03:45 PM

Yeh I like it!

I'm very upset to see some reviews of the album (Namely British articles) being both ageist and misogynistic. Disgraceful journalism. Why does everyone act like 35 is old and that when you have a child your life is over. Makes me sick.

Kylie was at the peak of in her career in her mid 30s, Whitney had hits and major albums in her her 40s and Madonna was having hits in her 50s just to name a few. Then look at all of the men 35+ who've maintained a strong presence in the charts and people don't even flinch.

Posted by: Andrew. 30th August 2020, 03:54 PM

I’m finding a lot of the reviews very inconsistent and unfair but Katy’s never gotten a good critical reception so I’m not bothered. Much. Even Teenage Dream got a meh reception from critics (OF COURSE when it smashed they suddenly changed their minds and put it on the decade-end lists)

Posted by: Andrew. 31st August 2020, 06:59 PM

I wasn’t sure what to expect but I’m kind of disappointed with the US projection, I know she had a tour bundle but it’s weird to think she’ll probably debut with less than Xtina’s Liberation. If she gets top 3 here that’ll make up for it x

The deluxe is down to #23 on Amazon and the standard is #56 but I’m not too worried, webstore sales will be most important and she’s only behind Metallica and Gregory Porter out of the new releases. Question, as Small Talk and Never Worn White are only on the deluxe physical edition of the album will they count towards the streaming?

Posted by: Nick Jonas 31st August 2020, 07:17 PM

Not sure, but they’d have to be in the Top 12 streamed tracks on the album...

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 31st August 2020, 07:27 PM

I've totally noticed how every review has mentioned her age, and framing it as if 35 is ancient. It's really not cool!

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 31st August 2020, 08:06 PM

It’s definitely a female thing that age is always mentioned. I remember Gagas age being mentioned a lot in the Chromatica reviews and they’ve mentioned folklore being Taylor’s first album as a 30 year old quite a bit too. Not that it makes a difference.

I mean even recently P!nk who was 40 last year got herself a three week #1 album! Women still continue to dominate in their 30s. Beyoncé is probably another example too (and soon to be Rihanna when she finally drops R9!).

As for the streaming question I don’t think it’ll affect Katy as those tracks aren’t on the album on streaming platforms. I could be wrong though.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 1st September 2020, 11:59 AM

#5 in the midweeks.

Posted by: Andrew. 1st September 2020, 12:14 PM

If this doesn’t outpeak Witness I swear I-

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 1st September 2020, 12:15 PM

Where was Witness at this stage does anyone know? I want to say it was a midweek #4 but I could be wrong there.

Posted by: 365 1st September 2020, 12:40 PM

What are your favourite songs on the album?

Posted by: Jonjoliday 1st September 2020, 12:48 PM

I'm trying not to think too much about the chart success for this but it's hard when you know people are monitoring it ready to denounce her and call it a flop etc..

We should be happy with #5 tbh (and apparently less than 3K separate the top 5!) considering it's 4 days of sales! I assume no lower than #7 for it? Don't forget this has one hit to sell the album on (and that was over a year ago). I also wouldn't be surprised if this album has missing pre-orders from the current mid-week total (ala 5SOS/Selena) especially as, like Joe said, it was a bank holiday this weekend.

I think no lower than 7, which is a good result all things considered I think.

*Falls out the top 10 in tomorrow's update*

Posted by: Wall 1st September 2020, 01:27 PM

That’s so disappointing

Posted by: Nick Jonas 1st September 2020, 02:30 PM

NRO is probably the best. Smile is growing on me, haven’t heard the Diddy rap yet though. And I love the Tucked video

Posted by: slowdown73 1st September 2020, 06:48 PM

No5 is slightly below what I expected but with only one successful single from the era which was released over a year ago, I guess it’s not surprising.

Posted by: JulianNial 1st September 2020, 10:56 PM

Well I was saving my purchase for week 2 to help to prevent a freefall, but my investment has now been made.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 2nd September 2020, 06:27 AM

6.5k sales up to Monday.

Posted by: Andrew. 2nd September 2020, 08:20 AM

Meh sales but I think there’s a good chance she could overtake Disclosure, even without a sudden website boost so I guess?

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 2nd September 2020, 09:35 AM

Are Disclosure normally front loaded?

Of everyone releasing this week I’d have thought Katy would’ve had the biggest amount of like hardcore fans who’d have bought multiple copies of the album etc.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 2nd September 2020, 10:45 AM

Top 5 is all so close. I imagine she'll overtake Disclosure. The top 3 are uncatcahable I'd say. Like, it's close but unless there are missing orders then I can't see her overtaking any of those.

Excited for todays mids

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 2nd September 2020, 02:59 PM

5. Katy Perry - Smile (7.1k) *

From today’s update.

Disclosure are on 7.7k at #4 and they outsold her yesterday as well by around 300 or so copies.

Posted by: JosephStyles 4th September 2020, 02:47 PM

Friendly reminder - chart spoilers are NOT allowed on the forum until revealed by Radio 1! Thanks guys!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 4th September 2020, 03:11 PM

Debuts at 9 here in Ireland.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 4th September 2020, 04:54 PM

Debuts at #5 this week with 8.5k sales.

Posted by: JulianNial 4th September 2020, 05:59 PM

I expected it to do slightly better, but a top 5 album still looks pretty good, hopefully it doesn't landslide too hard.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 4th September 2020, 06:10 PM

If it continues to get around ~600 sales per day, that should put it comfortably Top 20 next week.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 4th September 2020, 06:19 PM

I don't see it quite doing that, but I imagine it'll fall to about #29.

Posted by: HausofGhibli 4th September 2020, 06:48 PM

Those sales are hugely underwhelming and disappointing Did they count the bundle sales and physicals from the store because I can't see how the sales can be that low with those added in. I can't see any song from the album making a huge splash now so not even sure what can salvage the campaign.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 4th September 2020, 06:57 PM

I’m surprised her sales are as low as that. Tbh though on my Twitter for example I’ve seen pretty much nothing about this album being mentioned by those I follow etc and I follow a lot of pop music pages and fan pages of artists too.

When I was out with some friends earlier too I mentioned this album and a few of them were totally unaware that she’d released a new album. So it could be that too.

I think the album could’ve stood a better chance if it had been released last year (like when Never Really Over was a genuine hit) by the time we got the album it felt like the hype kind of dried up and people lost interest. It’s a shame it’s performed this way as it is a step up from Witness.

I agree that I can’t see anything else making a splash on the charts either. She should just get some features under her belt like what Xtina did when her solo success dwindled.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 4th September 2020, 07:04 PM

Also.. is there a vinyl for this now available to buy? They can usually sell quite a bit and sometimes make the difference between getting to #1 on some occasions. If there’s one still to come that could boost it on that chart week. If there already is one though then idk.

Posted by: Jay* 5th September 2020, 02:49 AM

The cream standard vinyl, red HMV vinyl and picture disc were all available, as well as standard CD, deluxe CD and cassette.

However the custard Spotify vinyl isn't shipping for a couple more weeks, while all the different limited artwork versions (5 CDs and 5 picture discs) won't count towards the chart until early November!

Posted by: Andrew. 5th September 2020, 10:08 AM

Speaking honestly, that opening is...bad. If it didn’t have bundles maybe it’d be respectable but it does

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 5th September 2020, 10:34 AM

I wonder how many extra sales it could’ve gotten had the other editions mentioned been available and if it’ll randomly jolt back up the chart during that week when they’re available or if it won’t make much difference at all.

The fact she sold less than both Gaga and Taylor’s week 3 though oops. I mean I obviously wasn’t expecting her to match their debut week on sale but I thought she’d have managed around 4-5K more than what she did.

Posted by: Slick 5th September 2020, 02:20 PM

I don't think a Top 5 album is too shabby at all, especially after having (almost) no hits from this album.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 5th September 2020, 02:27 PM

I think the position is okay, just the sales are extremely disappointing.

Posted by: slowdown73 5th September 2020, 04:51 PM

I think the sales will drop big this week. I’d be surprised if it stays T30.

Posted by: 365 7th September 2020, 10:32 AM

Obsessed with Tucked. Should have been a single.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 7th September 2020, 11:00 AM

Also debuts at #5 in the US.

50,000 units sold with 35K of those being pure sales

Posted by: Nick Jonas 7th September 2020, 05:10 PM

#21 in today’s midweeks.

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 7th September 2020, 05:13 PM

That’s around where I expected it to be. She might manage to stay top 25 then depends if those directly below her will stream better as the week progresses.

Posted by: dannjohn 8th September 2020, 03:11 PM

it's a victim of poor singles... 'Smile' (though a grower) should never have led the album... i'm not even really sure 'Daisies' should tbh...

Posted by: Nick Jonas 11th September 2020, 06:00 PM

down to #25 this week in the UK.

Posted by: JosephStyles 11th September 2020, 06:20 PM

I was honestly lowkey expecting worse so I'm okay with #25 for week 2 all things considered.

Posted by: jlj 11th September 2020, 11:12 PM

#25 isn’t terrible all things considered.

I wonder if she’ll manage a third week top 40? She only fell 4 places in the midweeks so it’s not impossible for it to remain in the lower end.

Posted by: Liam.k. 12th September 2020, 05:47 AM

I think #25 is alright too! Was anticipating a second week drop out the Top 40 tbh!

Posted by: jlj 14th September 2020, 04:56 PM

#40 in the midweeks in the UK!

I’m guessing it’ll just drop out by Friday though

Posted by: slowdown73 15th September 2020, 08:00 AM

How much has it sold in total now?

Posted by: Nick Jonas 15th September 2020, 11:45 AM

11k after two weeks. Maybe another 1.5k this week?

Posted by: Mikal 15th September 2020, 02:30 PM

Not great in the US either, Smile falls 49 spots to #54 on the Billboard 200 for its second week.

Posted by: jlj 15th September 2020, 04:26 PM

Dropped from yesterday’s position in the midweeks in the UK so a third consecutive week top 40 isn’t looking likely.

Posted by: dannjohn 16th September 2020, 12:38 PM

It needs a single ASAP

Posted by: 365 16th September 2020, 02:22 PM

Cry About it Later got to 10 million streams on Spotify faster than Smile did lol

Posted by: JulianNial 16th September 2020, 05:18 PM

Then that's the one that needs to get a push! I don't know how they're going to do it unless they already have something for it.

Posted by: 365 17th September 2020, 08:29 AM

It's too late now I think - i really can't see another single being pushed.. Streaming and Radio won't have any faith in her. HEr team messed this one up with the single choices/clown imagery and that's that on that. At least we had a great little album out of it.

Posted by: dannjohn 17th September 2020, 02:26 PM

'Smile' (as a single) / clown concept should never have happened.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 18th September 2020, 07:03 PM

#54 this week with around 1500 sales.

Posted by: jlj 19th September 2020, 12:29 AM

Quite the drop! I thought it would’ve been around 10 or so places higher than that.

I think this could drop from the top 75 next now as well

Posted by: jlj 21st September 2020, 06:29 PM

93 in the first set of UK midweeks!

Probably likely that it’ll drop from the top 100 by Friday if it drops similarly to how it did last week.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 25th September 2020, 05:10 PM

Teenage Dream #90
Smile #91

Posted by: jlj 25th September 2020, 06:10 PM

That is terrible!

Streaming on the albums chart is becoming a joke surely more people will be streaming Smile as an entire album than they are Teenage Dream and sales wise it’ll definitely be higher.

Meh i can’t say i’m surprised but that’s not good at all.

Posted by: Voodoo 26th September 2020, 09:58 AM

I wonder if Capitol will keep her on their roster.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 28th September 2020, 12:21 AM

The album is falling fast, i knew it wouldnt be a huge seller but i expected better, similar sales pattern to ellie gouldings recent albbum.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 28th September 2020, 11:36 AM

lol @ it being outsold by her decade old album within 4 weeks though.

Posted by: J00psylicious 29th September 2020, 02:32 AM

A terribly handled campaign when she didn't need 2 (arguably 3!) in a row. (Given how Prism REALLY got a new lease of life post Dark Horse)

Posted by: HausofGhibli 29th September 2020, 08:17 PM

US chart run:

5-54-104-160-

UK chart run:

5-25-54-91-172*

*midweek today

I know we're not focusing on numbers!!1 but this will surely now go down as one of the BIG defining underperformance eras for a big pop girl. Witness seems like a SUCCESS compared to this. Baffling, I thought she'd capture the streaming world with ease but it seems to have impacted her worse than a lot of other stars around in the past decade.

Posted by: Andrew. 29th September 2020, 08:27 PM

Yeah this has underperformed even relative to my expectations. I was kinda shocked she only did 6-7k pure sales with those bundles. But her reputation is still better than it was after Witness, even if they’re not obsessed with her music I feel the GP are liking Katy as a person a lot more so in those terms the era has been a success! She’s got a baby and a fiancé, she’ll cope with a worldwide top 5 album 🤷‍♂️ It’s certainly not up there on the relative flop scale with your Britney Jeans, Lotuses etc

Posted by: jlj 29th September 2020, 09:10 PM

Omg 172 in the midweeks so it’s fell like over 80 places and I take it her decade old album is ahead like this isn’t great at all!

She doesn’t deserve to underperform this badly especially with an album that’s actually half decent all the way through. I’m not completely shocked because I mean Katy has struggled with streaming and critics haven’t been kind to her but she actually really went quite big with promo so I don’t think the “maybe people don’t know she has new music out” excuse counts here like she went really went to town with promo and worked her ass off all through the pregnancy / lockdown and she’s barely been out the press through her pregnancy / birth.

Posted by: J00psylicious 29th September 2020, 09:14 PM

She just promoted it so poorly. Smile and Small Talk are both frankly not good songs, even at her peak they don't sell Katy Perry the brand well, and in 2019-20 especially both were just really tone deaf as promotional tools for the album - the point is meant to be that fans pick up the album based off what they've heard & liked.

Posted by: dannjohn 9th October 2020, 04:21 PM

i mean she literally performed 'daisies' everywhere she could and gave birth on the week of the albums release... promo isn't the issue... people just aren't bothered by KP's music ATM.

Posted by: Nick F1 9th October 2020, 10:06 PM

Did 'Cry about it later' even been sent to the Aussie radio?

Posted by: 365 12th October 2020, 08:12 AM

But after the album was put up for pre order she didn't do a single bit of TV promo, sadly. I know she did a lot of online stuff, but most of that is stuff that only fans that are already invested will see. It would have been nice if she did the proper TV promo circuit like Miley has with her new single. but it is understandable given she was about to pop.

Posted by: Wall 12th October 2020, 08:16 AM

I didn’t realise how poor her US chart run was. EEEK

Posted by: JulianNial 22nd October 2020, 11:27 AM

Can she like, randomly push 'Tucked'?

Posted by: dannjohn 22nd October 2020, 02:15 PM

she did make it track 1 on her anticipated EP...

Posted by: JulianNial 23rd October 2020, 05:48 PM

What a random release! SOMEONE EXPLAIN!!?!

So there's hope? Or what? I'm so confused why is it even a thing?

Posted by: Alberto! 23rd October 2020, 09:02 PM

Nah it's just a thing labels do, compiling random existing songs into EPs around a 'theme'. Justin Bieber and Taylor Swift are doing a similar thing.

Posted by: No Sleeep 20th November 2020, 04:57 PM

Yeah... it’s worse! BJ sold 13k first week and was released in the busiest period of the year, Lotus was released in Q4 too, and I’m certain both spent more than 4 weeks on the Billboard 200!

Posted by: spiceboy 21st November 2020, 12:31 PM

You can't compare sales from 2012/13 to now and say because someone sold more in 2012/13 than someone did now they were more successful. If anything 13k is less than 6/7k is in 2020. The second best selling album of the week sold 20k this week which shows how different sales are. BJ and Lotus were #34 and #28 compared to Katy's #5 which says it all.

I personally don't see the point in comparing them since they are at very different stages of each others careers btw, but if you are going to then the above applies.

Posted by: No Sleeep 22nd November 2020, 07:58 PM

Except they were released during the Christmas period and those sales would’ve been enough for top 5 or even #1 on a very quiet week. Bionic went #1 does that make it a smash hit? And In the Zone only peaked at #13, does that mean it did worse than Smile? And it’s not really a strange comparison. Katy’s been around 12 years now, she’s at the stage Britney and Xtina were in the early 10s.

Anyway, Glory outperformed Smile in every sense so I don’t see why the Britney Jean comparison is needed.

Posted by: dannjohn 23rd November 2020, 11:13 AM

Also there were no bundles for BJ or Lotus... the only thing all 3 singles have in common is their lead singles underperformed and weren't any followup hits from any era... (BJ and Lotus were also ditched pretty much after release week).

Posted by: JulianNial 19th December 2020, 11:38 AM

Has she switched labels or something? I notice the latest EP has been released under 'Universal' instead of 'Capitol'.

Posted by: Voodoo 28th December 2020, 08:45 PM

No. The random (& useless) EPs are usually released by the parent record company.

Posted by: Envoirment 13th February 2021, 03:12 PM

I'm still annoyed they didn't push "Cry About It Later".

I really enjoy the album still. It should've done better.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 15th February 2021, 10:29 AM

To be fair, I've never seen such an awfully managed campaign in my life (in terms of the single choices). It's no wonder it performed as it did.

Posted by: Dill Doe 4th April 2021, 11:19 PM

Not The End of The World not being released during a pandemic Harleys In Hawaii not released as the second single and Never Really Over not being given more time to shine

Posted by: Dangerous Julian 31st August 2021, 06:08 PM

Harley's is picking up a lot of popularity thanks to TikTok, Popjustice is reporting streams have gone from 40k to 215k in around 2 weeks. Go throw it a stream or two for good skin!

Posted by: JSG 1st September 2021, 09:19 AM

i wonder if it will start charting at some point if the rise in popularity continues.

Posted by: Dangerous Julian 13th September 2021, 10:01 AM

It's almost top 40 on Worldwide Shazam and continuing to rise on Spotify and Apple Music globally. A few celebs including Ariana and a Jenner have used Harley's in social stories.

Posted by: Dill Doe 13th September 2021, 04:05 PM

It should have been pushed hard after NRO.

Posted by: Envoirment 13th September 2021, 08:34 PM

The label need to push HIH *_* The hit that never was but still could be.

Posted by: 365 15th September 2021, 02:30 PM

They're up to almost 500k now.

I've always found it bizarre how much Buzzjack seems to dislike this song.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 15th September 2021, 07:41 PM

People dislike Harley's? One of her best of recent times!

Posted by: 365 20th September 2021, 10:51 AM

Harleys is now #1 on Katy's most popular on Spotify for the first time.

Posted by: J00prstar 20th September 2021, 10:11 PM

It was a #1 on my chart tbh

Posted by: 365 21st September 2021, 09:10 AM

Thanks to Harleys the album has passed a billion on Spotify.

Posted by: dannjohn 21st September 2021, 10:49 AM

shes really trying to make harleys a hit

Posted by: 365 21st September 2021, 11:58 AM

Is she? The label have done nothing.

Posted by: Envoirment 25th September 2021, 10:16 PM

Still gaining and recently entered top 200 on Shazam in US. Plus it's getting added to spotify playlists...

It'll be top 200 on global spotify soon. It recently did almost 600k in its recent day, its highest so far!

Posted by: dannjohn 29th September 2021, 09:40 AM

she doesnt stop posting about it

Posted by: HausEatsGrandma 3rd July 2022, 09:58 AM

I'm selling a few brand new / sealed Smile vinyls if anyone wants one! Can do good prices~ PM me if interested