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Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 20th May 2018, 12:53 PM
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Our friends at the Times are reporting that the Tories are gearing up for an Autumn snap-election.
Because another one of those is exactly what we need. The fixed term parliament act should just be binned it's clearly entirely useless.
I wonder if this was the Tory party instructions to May: 
Posted by: danG 20th May 2018, 01:08 PM
You're joking. Not another one. For god's sake.
Posted by: vidcapper 20th May 2018, 01:12 PM
And it's not even Apr 1st.
Posted by: PeteFromLeeds 20th May 2018, 01:23 PM
At least I'd be able to vote in this one!
Posted by: Brett-Butler 20th May 2018, 01:24 PM
Sceptical Brett is sceptical that this is going to happen, but I can see the logic behind why the Conservatives would go for it. Since the last General Election, Jeremy Corbyn's popularity with the public has sharply decreased from being even with Theresa May to just 25% (Theresa May's popularity has remained somewhat consistent, at around 40%), so they may be trying to capitalize on that, although that tactic didn't work last time.
The question is though, would there be enough support amongst MPs for a 2/3 majority for a new election if the Conservatives were to call fresh elections? Because I feel that there may be enough opposition to stop it from being pushed through.
Posted by: vidcapper 20th May 2018, 01:25 PM
The question is though, would there be enough support amongst MPs for a 2/3 majority for a new election if the Conservatives were to call fresh elections? Because I feel that there may be enough opposition to stop it from being pushed through.
It depends how confident Corbyn is.
Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 20th May 2018, 01:31 PM
I get the feeling that Labour would vote with them thinking they could be the winners of the election
Posted by: vidcapper 20th May 2018, 02:04 PM
I can't imagine the Tories would be as complacent or as badly prepared this time, though.
Posted by: T Boy 20th May 2018, 02:31 PM
Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 20th May 2018, 02:51 PM
May is still the leader and she is truly useless at interacting with people who have a net worth of less than £150m. There’s no getting away from the fact that every public appearance by her is a PR disaster. It’s as if Terri Coverly is organising her press!
On the flip side, Corbyn seems to be at peak useful when on the campaign. It hides his inadequacies quite well (his lack of spine or Brexit stance)
If both parties could overthrow their leaders in the next fortnight that’d be champion
Posted by: Andrew. 20th May 2018, 03:03 PM
If this goes ahead, then for once I'd go into a general election having genuinely no idea who would win. The Tories seem to have turned a small Labour lead from last year into a small lead for them, but obviously Labour's campaign did amazingly for them last time but you wouldn't think that would happen twice so I have no idea 
None of the two biggest parties are appealing much to me atm, obviously I support the SNP in Scotland but UK wide I'd like to see the Lib Dems do well and I think they could halt any progress Labour was making in the remain-Tory areas of the South East where they had the huge vote share gains last time, due to their hard Brexit policy.
Posted by: vidcapper 20th May 2018, 03:11 PM
Would it be even more of a two-party battle than last time?
What will happen to the 550k UKIP votes from 2017, I wonder?
Posted by: Doctor Blind 20th May 2018, 03:14 PM
100% this!
Anyway we definitely won't be having a general election this year so don't worry folks.
Posted by: LexC 20th May 2018, 04:19 PM
Having read that Sunday Times article it seemed to be more based around the fact that Tory MPs were hedging their bets on whatever fudge Maybot brings back to them being such a mess that it would be voted down in the commons and thus would force a vote of no confidence in her which, to their credit, seems like a more plausible situation than them just rolling the dice again.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 20th May 2018, 07:05 PM
A general election with 2 useless party leaders neither of whom have a clear policy on the most important issue facing our country since the War, and both leading a parties who are split on the issue, and asking for support from a country which is also equally split?
What could possibly go wrong?
On the plus side it'll f*** up Brexit again to the extent that the next election in 5 supposed years time will take place before a final vote on whatever deal is eventually settled with. Leaving time to get a party leader in place to take over from whichever of the 2 current party-numpties is dumped after the 2nd 2018 election.
If May loses she's history. If Corbyn loses he's a two-time loser and no amount of "he didn't do as badly as we all expected" will cover that with sticky tape. So a chance for someone with a clear idea of what to do for the best of the country to be elected in ready to take over as Brexit becomes obviously a huge mistake (5 years of downward economic activity on top of the last 2 should hammer the point home nicely....)
Posted by: vidcapper 21st May 2018, 05:41 AM
What could possibly go wrong?
Whenever the next election is, that above situation isn't likely to change.
If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 21st May 2018, 07:07 AM
Did I miss one earlier in the year, then?
If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.
Yes, which is why another election is pointless.
Tories will take the Blame whatever happens because they have adopted UKIP policies. Labour is trying to appear as if they are blameless and pure, as opposed to trying to limit the damage by actually doing something, and I expect they will get away with it unless they accidentally get into power. Corbyn will only get blamed personally if he runs the country and follows the same Hard Brexit line as the Tories (which is waht he wants, the man who called for the immediate triggering of article 50 the day after the referendum. Complete political dick then and no change since)
Posted by: Suedehead2 21st May 2018, 08:06 AM
Did I miss one earlier in the year, then?
If Brexit were to go pear-shaped it wouldn't matter which party was in power - whichever it was would take the blame.
So why are the Tories and their friends in the press doing so much to convince people that the blame lies anywhere but with them?
Posted by: vidcapper 21st May 2018, 08:08 AM
Because they are politicians. QED.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 21st May 2018, 08:11 AM
Too cynical for even me...
Non-lying politicians exist, gasp!
Posted by: vidcapper 21st May 2018, 09:00 AM
Non-lying politicians exist, gasp!
I would describe it more sardonic than purely cynical.
Posted by: Queef of Peace 21st May 2018, 10:50 AM
I wonder if the Tories WILL force a snap election they know they'll lose to shift the BRexit blame onto left-wing policies and play the long-game, shifting the Overton Window even further right later...
Their press pals will be all too happy to help
Posted by: Brett-Butler 21st May 2018, 11:20 AM
I very much doubt the Conservatves are playing the long game. Many of them would be not alive if Labour were to win a five year term.
Posted by: Suedehead2 21st May 2018, 12:15 PM
If Tory MPs think there is a significant chance of an autumn election I can see them dumping the Maybot in the next month or so.
Posted by: vidcapper 21st May 2018, 01:33 PM
Because they don't want an election, or because they don't think she can win it?
Posted by: Suedehead2 21st May 2018, 01:42 PM
After last year I can't see them being too enthusiastic about another election with her as leader.
Posted by: sm1ffj 21st May 2018, 02:20 PM
As an OAP said once recently...
Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd May 2018, 08:34 AM
One of today’s papers reports that Boris Johnson has said that there will be no autumn election. Looks like we’d better prepare for one then.
Posted by: Doctor Blind 17th July 2018, 05:29 PM
Call their bluff please!
Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 17th July 2018, 06:25 PM
We seem to be continually one vote away from bringing down this farce of a government. It keeps teasing us with the promise of happening 
Posted by: Queef of Skreech 17th July 2018, 06:45 PM
If Brexit had never happened, we would have a Labour government right now, and if not, this government would have collapsed. Absolute joke set of pretentious Eton goons.
Posted by: Popchartfreak 17th July 2018, 07:25 PM
I think it's called "edging": you think you're nearly there and are about to get satisfaction when suddenly you get an image of Theresa May and the mood just evaporates.....
Posted by: vidcapper 18th July 2018, 05:44 AM
I'm not sure how you figure that - without a Brexit vote, there wouldn't have been a 2017 GE, and the Tories would still have a HoC majority, however small.
Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 18th July 2018, 05:14 PM
I’m not so sure. In a world where the referendum commitment was awol from the Tory manifesto in 2015 we’d probably have a Milliband-Sturgeon government and be in a much better place economically with a recovering NHS
Posted by: vidcapper 19th July 2018, 05:45 AM
I’m not so sure. In a world where the referendum commitment was awol from the Tory manifesto in 2015 we’d probably have a Milliband-Sturgeon government and be in a much better place economically with a recovering NHS
I can't see the lack of a referendum commitment affecting a GE result *that* much.
Posted by: vidcapper 19th July 2018, 06:58 AM
Would it surprise you if the Tories called a GE next Spring, just after Brexit day?
1. Because if they won, it would all settle down over the next 5 years, or,
2. If Labour won, and Brexit went pear-shaped, then Labour would take that fall for it?
Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th July 2018, 06:58 AM
the collapse of UKIP following the vote would suggest otherwise....
Posted by: vidcapper 19th July 2018, 07:02 AM
But surely the UKIP vote would have *risen*, not collapsed?
Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th July 2018, 07:07 AM
My point being that when the issue seemed to be settled they all fled to the Tories (and a few to Labour) so not having a referendum would mean the Tories would have lost votes to UKIP who would still exist, allowing a Labour controlled government in.
Posted by: vidcapper 19th July 2018, 07:27 AM
ISTM there are too many variables to be confident of any such conclusion.
for example...
How many Tories would really have deserted them for UKIP, given the knowledge that that might well let Labour in?
Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th July 2018, 12:21 PM
for example...
How many Tories would really have deserted them for UKIP, given the knowledge that that might well let Labour in?
all those that were no longer guaranteed a referendum on something they feel VERY strongly about - about 10% wasn't it?
I agree about variables though, no-one can know for sure.
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