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post Oct 18 2018, 06:47 PM
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I can see both new albums selling well for both and when it all ends for both bands in a few years or so there won't be much of a sales difference between both although I would think take that especially Gary will be a lot richer due to royalties.
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post Oct 18 2018, 06:54 PM
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QUOTE(nirvanamusic @ Oct 18 2018, 04:12 PM) *
... Nobody said either of those things nor was it referenced as such in the said article. A sign of youthful sensibility perhaps, though you're right they're both on same levels of achievement.

If you are referring to my want for them to remain the biggest selling boyband in the UK that's just natural as a fan.

Based on Official Charts Company UK sales as it stands at the moment:

TT: 13.7 mil albums / 10.2 mil singles = 23.9 million
Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.2 mil singles = 19.2 million

4.7 million in total more records sold by TT. However TT were a huge 7.5 million records behind when they got back together in 2005, so you never know.

You know what though? It doesn't matter there's more to life than two pop bands. You'll see that one day. Ultimately it's music not stats that may or may not out live both groups. It's just nice to know TT have sold so well.

What I will say however is, TT fans accepted when WL were millions of records sold ahead of them in the UK with no fuss all those years. Then it changed in the other direction with TT currently millions more sold than Westlife in the UK.

Difference being WL fans unlike Take That fans have a hard time accepting this change, which I don't understand as Westlife have sold slightly more worldwide. So why the big fuss over the UK? You know Everything Changes right?

However, with Westlife's return I hope their fans have matured as well. Hopefully the new music will reflect this.



Well i can't question your opinion for the general approach. But personally I remember when Take that came back their fans claiming take that were gods compared to westlife and how chart position and sales were not reasonable nowadays (back then). But anyway. Take that had all the push from the media in the UK back then and during their come back as i understand it was the top english boyband england had exposed.... Unlike Westlife who were mostly rejected by people who didnt like them or even didn't want to like them. Anyway good luck to both. Excluding RObbies and a little bit of Gary's arrogance, take that are good fellas as well and i respect them.
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post Oct 25 2018, 02:27 PM
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Out of curiosity here are the ten places the past year Take That & Westlife were most viewed on youtube & streamed.

Highlighted in bold a nation in largest top 10 IFPI music market for 2017.

Top 10 places listening and streaming past year

TAKE THAT

1.London,UK (Europe)
2.Santiago,Chile (South America)
3.Dublin,Ireland (Europe)
4.Rome,Italy (Europe)
5.Milan,Italy (Europe)
6.Lima,Peru (South America)
7.Tel Aviv,Israel (Asia)
8.Budapest,Hungary (Europe)
9.Sao Paulo,Brazil (South America)
10.Liverpool,UK (Europe)

6 Europe, 3 South America & 1 Asia.

Other highest places from other continents for past year:

24.Sydney,Australia (Australasia)
49.New York,USA (North America)
- None in top 100 (Africa)

Total places out of 100: 66 Europe, 13 South America, 12 Asia, 5 Australasia, 4 North America & Africa none.

WESTLIFE

1.Jakarta,Indonesia (Asia)
2.Bangkok,Thailand (Asia)
3.Quezon City,Philippines (Asia)
4.Kaula Lumper,Malaysia (Asia)
5.Ho Chi Minh City,Vietnam (Asia)
6.Surabaya,Indonesia (Asia)
7.Hanoi,Vietnam (Asia)
8.Makati,Philippines (Asia)
9.Cebu City,Philippines (Asia)
10.Davao City,Philippines (Asia)

10 - Asia

Other highest places from other continents for past year:

16.London,UK (Europe)
21.Nairobi,Kenya (Africa)
29.Lima,Peru (South America)
39.Sydney,Australia (Australasia)
43.New York,USA (North America)

Total places out of 100: 81 Asia, 5 North America, 4 Africa, 4 Europe, 3 Australasia and 3 South America.

Top 10 countries listening and streaming past year

TAKE THAT

1.UK (Europe)
2.Italy (Europe)
3.Germany (Europe)
4.Brazil (South America)
5.USA (North America)
6.Spain (Europe)
7.Argentina (South America)
8.Chile (South America)
9.Ireland (Europe)
10.Mexico (North America)

5 Europe, 3 South America & 2 North America

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

15.Australia (Australasia)
17.Japan (Asia)
49.South Africa (Africa)

Total countries out of 100: 43 Europe, 24 Asia, 12 North America, 10 South America, 9 Africa & 2 Australasia.

WESTLIFE

1.Indonesia (Asia)
2.Philippines (Asia)
3.Vietnam (Asia)
4.Thailand (Asia)
5.USA (North America)
6.UK (Europe)
7.Malaysia (Asia)
8.India (Asia)
9.Taiwan (Asia)
10.South Korea (Asia)

8 Asia, 1 Europe & 1 North America

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

11.Brazil (South America)
20.South Africa (Africa)
22.Australia (Australasia)

Total countries out of 100: 33 Asia, 30 Europe, 19 Africa, 8 North America, 7 South America & 3 Australasia.

They interestingly have different areas of popularity from each other.

In terms of TT Wonderland Live Tour last year and daring to go to new places, Israel, New Zealand being a first time and Australia after 20+ years. Dubai again after a couple of years. All those cities are represented in the top 100 for past year, except the two NZ cities which didn't make the 100.

I think this shows that touring has a huge effect, the fact Tel Aviv shot up to #7 for the year proves this and hopefully they've now learned you need to tour all of these countries to see results.

On top 10 countries list, five countries they have never toured, the three South American countries - Chile, Argentina, Brazil and in North America - USA and Mexico.

For top 10 cities list, they haven't toured in Chile, Peru, Brazil or Hungary in Europe select cities of popularity.


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post Oct 28 2018, 01:19 PM
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Adding top ten for Boyzone, East 17, Bros (split 1992), All-4-One, Color Me Badd, New Kids On the Block & Boyz II Men as all were big during Take That years in 90's as well. Again in bold a top 10 music market 2017.

Top 10 countries listening and streaming past year

BOYZONE

1.Philippines (Asia)
2.UK (Europe)
3.Indonesia (Asia)
4.USA (North America)
5.Germany (Europe)
6.India (Asia)
7.Malaysia (Asia)
8.Thailand (Asia)
9.Vietnam (Asia)
10.Taiwan (Asia)

7 Asia, 2 Europe & 1 North America

Other highest places from other continents for past year:

11.Australia (Australasia)
12.Brazil (South America)
33.South Africa (Africa)

EAST 17

1.Germany (Europe)
2.UK (Europe)
3.France (Europe)
4.Czech Republic (Europe)
5.Russia (Europe)
6.Poland (Europe)
7.Hungary (Europe)
8.Australia (Australasia)
9.Italy (Europe)
10.Romania (Europe)

9 Europe & 1 Australasia.

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

14.USA (North America)
20.Philippines (Asia)
25.Brazil (South America)
29.Algeria (Africa)

BROS

1.UK (Europe)
2.Germany (Europe)
3.France (Europe)
4.Hungary (Europe)
5.Spain (Europe)
6.Italy (Europe)
7.Australia (Australasia)
8.Turkey (Europe)
9.Slovakia (Europe)
10.Czech Republic (Europe)

9 Europe & 1 Australasia

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

11.Japan (Asia)
16.USA (North America)
18.Chile (South America)
28.Egypt (Africa)

ALL-4-ONE

1.USA (North America)
2.Philippines (Asia)
3.UK (Europe)
4.Indonesia (Asia)
5.South Africa (Africa)
6.Canada (North America)
7.Germany (Europe)
8.Thailand (Asia)
9.Australia (Australasia)
10.Brazil (South America)

3 Asia, 2 Europe, 2 North America, 1 Africa, 1 Australasia & 1 South America.

A full house!! All six continents represented within the last year top 10. 6/10 top music markets within also.

COLOR ME BAD

1.USA (North America)
2.UK (Europe)
3.Philippines (Asia)
4.Australia (Australasia)
5.Canada (North America)
6.Brazil (South America)
7.Indonesia (Asia)
8.New Zealand (Australasia)
9.Germany (Europe)
10.Mexico (North America)

3 North America, 2 Asia, 2 Australasia, 2 Europe & 1 South America.

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

11.South Africa (Africa)

NEW KIDS ON THE BLOCK

1.USA (North America)
2.Brazil (South America)
3.Mexico (North America)
4.Peru (South America)
5.Chile (South America)
6.Colombia (South America)
7.Canada (North America)
8.Germany (Europe)
9.Argentina (South America)
10.UK (Europe)

5 South America, 3 North America & 2 Europe.

Other highest nations from other continents for past year:

12.Indonesia (Asia)
20.Australia (Australasia)
39.South Africa (Africa)

BOYZ II MEN

1.USA (North America)
2.Philippines (Asia)
3.UK (Europe)
4.South Africa (Africa)
5.Brazil (South America)
6.Canada (North America)
7.Australia (Australasia)
8.France (Europe)
9.Germany (Europe)
10.Jamaica (North America)

3 Europe, 3 North America, 1 Africa, 1 Asia, 1 Australasia & 1 South America.

Another full house from another American group and 8 out of 10 of the biggest markets. Japan were #12 and South Korea #16 to round off the 10 biggest music markets.


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post Dec 8 2018, 04:09 PM
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Country By Country Album Sales Only Comparing Nations where full access to sales for both are available.

In bold is a 2017 top 10 music market.

Argentina: Take That
Australia: Westlife
Austria: Take That
Belgium: Take That
Brazil: Westlife
Canada: Take That
Denmark: Take That
Finland: Take That
France: Take That
Germany: Take That
Greece: Take That
Hong Kong: Westlife
Hungary: Take That
Iceland: Take That
Indonesia: Westlife
Ireland: Westlife
Italy: Take That
Japan: Take That
Korea: Westlife
Malaysia: Westlife
Mexico: Westlife
Netherlands: Take That
New Zealand: Westlife
Norway: Westlife
Philippines: Westlife
Portugal: Take That
Spain: Take That
Sweden: Westlife
Switzerland: Take That
Taiwan: Take That
UK: Take That
USA: Westlife


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post Jan 5 2019, 09:34 AM
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*note for any future potential later readers I'll be using this post to keep up to date on certs, figures will change*

With the promo and new reunion Westlife single coming next week on the 11th. Let's see where both groups stand.

Based on Official Charts Company UK sales as it stands at the moment:

TT: 14 mil albums / 10.8 mil singles = 24.8 million
Westlife: 12 mil albums / 8.4 mil singles = 20.4 million

4.4 million in total more records sold by TT.
However TT were a huge 7.5 million records behind when they got back together in 2005, so you never know.

The climate is so different now that I read someone say that Platinum today for albums would have been the equivalent of 1 million copies sold 10 years ago. The gap will be closed through older songs moving up and new releases, however I'm not so sure.

Take That selling 7.5 million records and a further 5 million to go clear is just insane.


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post Apr 7 2019, 03:07 PM
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Digital Spy Number Ones Vote: Average Out of 10. Voted on by a range of music fan and age.

All number one singles by Take That, Westlife, Gary, Robbie and Brian. 40 UK chart topping singles between all of them.

1.Patience - Take That, 8.00
2.Millennium - Robbie Williams, 6.82
3.Back For Good - Take That, 6.61
4.These Days - Take That, 6.38
5.Shine - Take That, 5.86
6.Greatest Day - Take That, 5.82
7.Rock DJ - Robbie Williams, 5.25
8.Relight My Fire - Take That, 5.04
9.Flying Without Wings - Westlife, 4.88
10.Everything Changes - Take That, 4.82

11.She's The One - Robbie Williams, 4.78
12.Pray - Take That, 4.75
13.Never Forget - Take That, 4.59
14.Radio - Robbie Williams, 4.56
15.Swear It Again - Westlife, 4.54
16.Somethin' Stupid - Robbie Williams, 4.38
17.World Of Our Own - Westlife, 4.23
18.If I Let You Go - Westlife, 4.21
19.Eternity - Robbie Williams, 4.15
20=I Have A Dream - Westlife, 4.00
20=It's Only Us - Robbie Williams, 4.00
20=Sure - Take That, 4.00

23.My Love - Westlife, 3.87
24.Love Won't Wait - Gary Barlow, 3.86
25.The Rose - Westlife, 3.67
26.Fool Again - Westlife, 3.63
27.Candy - Robbie Williams, 3.60
28.How Deep Is Your Love - Take That, 3.52
29.The Road To Mandalay - Robbie Williams, 3.50
30.Uptown Girl - Westlife, 3.38

31.Real To Me - Brian McFadden, 3.33
32.Babe - Take That, 3.26
33.Sing - Gary Barlow, 3.22
34.Seasons In The Sun - Westlife, 3.11
35=Mandy - Westlife, 2.86
35=You Raise Me Up - Westlife, 2.86
37.Unbreakable - Westlife, 2.77
38.Queen Of My Heart - Westlife, 2.55
39.Forever Love - Gary Barlow, 2.35
40.Against All Odds - Westlife, 2.30

Take That Top 10 Rated

1.Patience - 8.00
2.Back For Good - 6.61
3.These Days - 6.38
4.Shine - 5.86
5.Greatest Day - 5.82
6.Relight My Fire - 5.04
7.Everything Changes - 4.82
8.Pray - 4.75
9.Never Forget - 4.59
10.Sure - 4.00

Westlife Top 10 Rated

1.Flying Without Wings - 4.88
2.Swear It Again - 4.54
3.World Of Our Own - 4.23
4.If I Let You Go - 4.21
5.I Have A Dream - 4.00
6.My Love - 3.87
7.The Rose - 3.67
8.Fool Again - 3.63
9.Uptown Girl - 3.38
10.Seasons In The Sun - 3.11


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post Apr 7 2019, 08:55 PM
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Very interesting! So this was just a reader poll?
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post Apr 7 2019, 11:25 PM
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Yes. Done over months, three years given at a time between 1952 and 2018, scored for a week and then averages complied after voting closed.

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Wow! Out of interest, any surprises there for you?
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post Apr 9 2019, 01:59 PM
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Everything Changes being scored higher than Pray and Never Forget.

The interesting thing is Sure is higher ranked by general public than by the fanbase, it would appear. Brief instrumental of song is regularly featured in Derry Girls, namely the dramatic change after piano intro and into first chorus.

All four comeback chart toppers ranking so highly, especially These Days, always assumed this was fan #1 due to sole week at top and supported as first by them as a three piece.

Westlife their four highest are all original songs and their best.

Interesting to see how Rule The World would have scored, as we know it was #2 behind Bleeding Love by Leona Lewis for weeks. That song was scored 6.92 overall and would rank second in TT,WL,GB,RW,BM list above behind Patience.


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