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post Apr 7 2012, 09:09 AM
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This is a post on Popjustice from a supposedly reliable poster:

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London Records were at one stage a major, with quite a healthy roster of artists, but for whatever reason, they folded due to huge debts. I don't know exactly why, but they had struggled for a few years with releasing stuff & not seeing a return.

Their Management Ron Tom was their original manager, but Mark who is the head of Crown Music Management was their main day to day manager right from the beginning, several people who work/worked at Crown, were also employees at Ron Tom's company metamorphosis.

Like a lot of management when it comes to groups, yes they did favour Siobhan over the other two, so did the label. This is not unusual or uncommon with girl groups. They saw Siobhan as "The Star" so she was pushed forward, giving a lot of the bulk lead vocals & was heavily featured in their videos, more so than the other two. This obviously caused friction, particularly with Keisha & ultimately Siobhan walked out.

She didn't leave to go to the toilet, she did leave during an interview though, but they knew after that interview, that Siobhan was already on a plane on her way back to London & had left the group.

The group were then told they possibly would be dropped from London Records & that the planned 5th single was scrapped.

Ron Tom then set Mark a task of finding a replacement, there were several girls in line, it was whittled down to just five, who then went on to record some demo's where their vocals were added to songs already recorded by Mutya & Keisha (some of these songs possibly had Siobhan on them at one stage), the girls then chose Heidi, who was then invited to a face to face audition to see if she would fit in.

She was in the group for only a few weeks, then London Records sent off a lawyers letter to Ron Tom, saying that they were dropping Mutya & Keisha from the label but were retaining Siobhan as a solo artist, as they couldn't see the group being successful without Siobhan. Not long after that, Siobhan sacked Ron Tom as her manager & he sued her, he won & Siobhan had to pay a substantial amount of money to him for breaking her contract.

Ron Tom has said that he felt that they still had that quality with Heidi in the group that they had with Siobhan, but he would also go on to almost completely dismiss Amelle & the way she was brought into the group years later.

They then signed onto Island Records & as we recently found out, upon signing with Island, the label did NOT buy the rights or trademark the groups name, nobody officially owned it.

Sometime in 2004/2005 Ron Tom, who was pretty much quite hands off at this point, closed his management company, the girls went with Mark to his new company.

Their Parents (Mutya's in particular) were heavily involved in the beginning at London Records, Mutya's dad continued to overlook things during the Angels era, sometime after that & before Three he took a step back & let their management get on with it.

Nobody really knows the real reason why Mutya left, there have been many rumours ranging from postnatal depression, problems with the other girls, problems with their management & their new approach over the group to Mutya having "issues" in her personal life that I'm not going to get into as its against forum rules.

Amelle was then brought in, who had been managed by Crown for several months, they had been trying to get her signed as a solo artist, but couldn't get her a deal. Mark knew Mutya was going to probably leave, so if newspaper reports are to be believed, had Amelle in the wings just waiting, learning & re-recording tracks from Taller. I honestly believe that Mutya set the wheels in motion long before she left, I also believe that the girls were fully aware of this.

Unlike with Heidi, the remaining girls didn't have a choice of who replaced Mutya & were basically told "this is the new girl". This really did seem the start of Crowns controlling grip over the group, who now seem to treat them as employees. I also believe that Amelle was never on that original Island/Universal contract, as she came into an existing contract & an album that had already been released & judging by other girl groups who have been in similar situations & later revealed that as "the new girl" they were a salaried employee of their respected record labels. Also as Mutya still retained her royalties, this is another reason why I think Amelle wasn't on their record contract until it was renewed after the Overloaded campaign when they resigned with Island/Universal.

The whole Keisha ousting thing is a funny one. Yes Amelle did leave & she left that week she "went missing" & not the week it was put in the paper that she left because of Keisha. I also DO NOT believe that Heidi sided with Amelle, thus breaking the group up. Amelle can tell people that's what happened, but she isn't exactly the most reliable person when it comes to telling the truth & I believe that was a story concocted by their management to try & say the group legally didn't exist any more A) In order to force Keisha out of the group & B) to stop any potential law suites.

They put Keisha on a plane back to London making her believe the group had disbanded, when in fact they had not, she later sued Heidi & their management, where it was settled out of court.

The rumours of a possible return of Mutya after Amelle left were true. Mutya was approached by someone at the label about a possibility of returning. Keisha put that to them as she didn't want the group to end, she was fighting to stay & saw that as a more viable option than bringing in Jade. However Heidi said no to that & Mutya said she wasn't interested as there were too many issues in the group.

I do believe that Keisha saying no to Jade may have been more of her "downfall" than Heidi allegedly siding with Amelle, thus ousting Keisha from the group & Jade replacing Keisha instead of Amelle.

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The last part about Keisha flying to the UK thinking the group was disbanded was quite a shock. ohmy.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 09:17 AM
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I always thought that if Amelle had left that Mutya would've come back. Glad to read this is not true (if it's reliable) because the missed opportunities with that one would've been IMMENSE..
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post Apr 7 2012, 01:25 PM
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Poor Jade sad.gif She got herself dragged into this mess through no fault of her own really! I hope Jade continues to have a good career whether in music or TV presenting (as far as I know, she still is going to have that presenting job at the Voice?) biggrin.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE(Ryan741 @ Apr 7 2012, 01:25 PM) *
Poor Jade sad.gif She got herself dragged into this mess through no fault of her own really! I hope Jade continues to have a good career whether in music or TV presenting (as far as I know, she still is going to have that presenting job at the Voice?) biggrin.gif


The Voice UK has started and no Jade.

I don't dislike her, but I have a hard time feeling bad for her. She's an oppourtunist whose plan for a quick surge to popstardom failed. I always felt it was slightly cynical of her to basically just ditch her solo career on the week her single was out to join Sugababes.
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post Apr 7 2012, 01:58 PM
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QUOTE(tommie @ Apr 7 2012, 02:49 PM) *
The Voice UK has started and no Jade.

I don't dislike her, but I have a hard time feeling bad for her. She's an oppourtunist whose plan for a quick surge to popstardom failed. I always felt it was slightly cynical of her to basically just ditch her solo career on the week her single was out to join Sugababes.


No, she was only supposed to have a presenting job on the live shows as the Social Media Correspondent. So it could still happen yet smile.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:00 PM
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If Jade had gotten the job we would've known it by now. They don't make last minute decisions on these things.
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE(tommie @ Apr 7 2012, 03:00 PM) *
If Jade had gotten the job we would've known it by now. They don't make last minute decisions on these things.


I suppose, but we haven't heard otherwise to who has got the job. I guess we'll wait and see, but maybe they won't make a big announcement about a minor role?
Anyway, I understand your viewpoint on Jade, but I still feel sorry she got on board with what looks like being a sinking ship at the moment. Hopefully, Heidi, Jade and Amelle can make a successful comeback however unlikely it may be! smile.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:18 PM
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The thing is that it was obvious to almost everyone but the girls and their management that Sugababes wouldn't survive another line-up change. It was just one too many. That Jade couldn't recognize this surprises me, but at the same time she probably got blinded by the whole "biggest girl group of the decade" claims and the promises of hot US producers.

But I can't feel bad for her. If she had really thought it through she would've turned it down. It was always insane of her to join the group.
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:19 PM
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The problem is, we can't trust 100% anyone, because as it is pointed out, even the girls comments on interviews can be a made up story by the management.

Keisha said she was called by the management to their office and they told her she wasn't part of the group anymore. But I don't remember wether they specified Heidi and Amelle would be carrying on instead or not.
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I always thought that if Amelle had left that Mutya would've come back. Glad to read this is not true (if it's reliable) because the missed opportunities with that one would've been IMMENSE.
Actually, what it says is that Mutya rejected the idea when Heidi opposed to it, and she didn't want to deal with that. But she was willing to rejoin the band...and Keisha has confirmed this.

It's a surprise for me, as Heidi said the reason why she was/is annoyed with Mutya is because she left without telling her... which doesn't sound like a big enough reason to be contrary to the 2.0 reunion. I tend to think her issue was that she didn't want Amelle to leave, so yes, Heidi getting on her side was an essential part of the story.

I hope Keisha and Mutya can clear up some of the details of this mess in future interviews. I also want to know what happened to the solo deal Keisha signed with Island.

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I don't dislike her, but I have a hard time feeling bad for her. She's an oppourtunist whose plan for a quick surge to popstardom failed.

You sound a bit harsh, but in the end you're right: she went for the best opportunity she found (as anyone in the business) and she just failed. She wasn't dragged in and she knew it could go wrong. Her solo perspectives weren't good at all anyway, so I don't think she had much of a choice or if she has something to regret.
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:20 PM
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QUOTE(tommie @ Apr 7 2012, 03:18 PM) *
The thing is that it was obvious to almost everyone but the girls and their management that Sugababes wouldn't survive another line-up change. It was just one too many. That Jade couldn't recognize this surprises me, but at the same time she probably got blinded by the whole "biggest girl group of the decade" claims and the promises of hot US producers.

But I can't feel bad for her. If she had really thought it through she would've turned it down. It was always insane of her to join the group.


She wasn't in a great situation though because she would have always had the Eurovision tag on her, and we know the UK's general view on Eurovision. So maybe she thought joining the Sugababes would allow her to get rid of her being the 'Eurovision girl'. She's just tried to make the best out of a tricky situation. smile.gif
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post Apr 7 2012, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Apr 7 2012, 02:19 PM) *
You sound a bit harsh, but in the end you're right: she went for the best opportunity she found (as anyone in the business) and she just failed. She wasn't dragged in and she knew it could go wrong. Her solo perspectives weren't good at all anyway, so I don't think she had much of a choice or if she has something to regret.


I might sound harsh, but going to Los Angeles in the week leading up to your single release, ignoring calls from your record label and getting holed up in a hotel room learning songs with the possibility replacing one of the Sugababes is hardly a career high, is it?

As I said, I don't hate or blame her really, but I can't feel sorry for her as there's artists with far more integrity launching every day that doesn't make it.
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post Apr 7 2012, 03:27 PM
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I always thought the 3 ladies in the About A Girl video were supposed to look like Jade, Keisha and Heidi lol.
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Holy Moly, how rude of them sending Keisha on that plane making her believe the band was over.

And I can't believe we have Heidi to "thank" for Mutya not replacing Amelle. And her reason is beyond stupid. She just confirmed she has no business sense at all. I still believe Heidi was afraid of the strong bond Keisha+Mutya had. So with Amelle in the group Heidi knew it'd be Heidi+Amelle against Keisha which suited her just fine.

I wonder how Keisha felt after Heidi said no to Mutya re-joining. Didn't they discuss things? Didn't she give proper reasons at least to her?

If I were Keisha I'd NEVER ever speak to Amelle or Heidi. From what we knew till now I had a bad opinion on these two for the way they treated Keisha but now I dislike them even more. mad.gif

And how stupid of Island not to bother to license the band's name!
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I just read it all again. If Amelle left the week "she went missing", why was she in LA to shoot the AAG video? Or did they call her to come after they made Keisha leave for London and already decided to bring Jade in and continue with Amelle/Heidi/Jade?
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post Apr 8 2012, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE(Steve D @ Apr 7 2012, 04:27 PM) *
I always thought the 3 ladies in the About A Girl video were supposed to look like Jade, Keisha and Heidi lol.


That's what I thought aswell.
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Can someone post the rest of the story? I can't see it sad.gif
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post Apr 8 2012, 07:16 PM
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QUOTE(Vee @ Apr 8 2012, 04:57 PM) *
And I can't believe we have Heidi to "thank" for Mutya not replacing Amelle. And her reason is beyond stupid. She just confirmed she has no business sense at all. I still believe Heidi was afraid of the strong bond Keisha+Mutya had. So with Amelle in the group Heidi knew it'd be Heidi+Amelle against Keisha which suited her just fine.

I wonder how Keisha felt after Heidi said no to Mutya re-joining. Didn't they discuss things? Didn't she give proper reasons at least to her?


In the end it all is reduced to Heidi choosing Amelle over Keisha and Mutya. I'm sure she knew the best 'business' decision was to reform the second lineup, but she preferred taking the risk of continuing the band with yet a new member.

But I can't say it was all a matter of feelings, as carrying on the band was a pure business decision. Having acting only following her heart, she would've just quit as Amelle and end up things for good. But no, they didn't want just end things. They wanted to continue working with the band, only without Keisha. And it was important to keep the name as it was the only thing it would give them important promo slots in the future, as T4 In The Beach, endorsements and deals with other labels.

If you think about it, it's obvious they wanted to get rid of Keisha (for whatever reason). Because Amelle wouldn't have stayed in the band if she was SO unhappy as they made out to be. She must had considered what side Heidi would take in case she forced her to choose.

QUOTE(Vee @ Apr 8 2012, 04:57 PM) *
I wonder how Keisha felt after Heidi said no to Mutya re-joining. Didn't they discuss things? Didn't she give proper reasons at least to her?


I think I read somewhere Keisha regrets not having become closer with Heidi during the making of Taller In More Ways, when they both had to be in charge of the production because Mutya was taking care of her child. As I said, it all is reduced to Heidi choosing Amelle. There was nothing Keisha coudl've made, as Heidi was simply going to choose her friend anyway.
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QUOTE(The47thbelmon @ Apr 8 2012, 07:16 PM) *
In the end it all is reduced to Heidi choosing Amelle over Keisha and Mutya.


But do you really think that if Keisha had agreed to bring Jade into the group that Heidi would've had much choice? At the end of the day, Heidi didn't want Mutya in the group, Crown probably wouldn't want to work with her again and the feeling is probably quite mutual, so I'd say the main factor in Keisha being kicked out was the fact that she didn't want to replace Amelle or alternatively just have Mutya come back. I don't believe Heidi was the one who was actively pushing Keisha out - she was just the one who didn't make any demands and remained neutral.

I remember there were rumours going around a few weeks before the line-up drama happened that Amelle was being groomed for a solo career post-Sweet 7 a la Cheryl Cole. Now, that obviously didn't happen, but it makes you wonder if Amelle thought she could make an early exit and then Keisha was kicked out and Amelle just had to get on with it as to not break her contract?


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So much drama within the group(s), I feel bad for them lost in all those lawsuits and fall-outs sad.gif
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