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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 23rd January 2019, 07:24 AM
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23rd January 2019, 08:21 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 23 2019, 06:28 AM)  I would guess they gave about the same amount of consideration to the feelings of Remainers, as Remainers gave to those of Leavers.  It all boils down to : which is the more important - short term economics, or long term political freedom? For me it's easy to answer. Long-term political freedom and less immigration from Europe. This post has been edited by Crazy Chris: 23rd January 2019, 10:48 AM |
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23rd January 2019, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 08:21 AM) For me it's easy to answer. Long-term political freedom and less immigration from Eutope. But more immigration from other countries when the UK leaves to fill all of the jobs that EU citizens were doing. So probably no fall in immigration at all. Tell me, out of interest, what is your issue with immigrants? Why do you take such issue with people who are different to you? If they are working and paying their taxes why should you care? I don't understand. This post has been edited by mald487: 23rd January 2019, 09:18 AM |
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23rd January 2019, 09:51 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 23 2019, 06:28 AM) I would guess they gave about the same amount of consideration to the feelings of Remainers, as Remainers gave to those of Leavers. It all boils down to : which is the more important - short term economics, or long term political freedom? We’ve got political freedom. I’m still waiting for a single example of a law we have been forced to adopt against the will of the government of the day. |
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23rd January 2019, 11:24 AM
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Trouble brewing in the People's Vote campaign: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/the-ca...t-has-descended
QUOTE Meanwhile, the decision last week of 71 Labour MPs to announce their support for a second referendum at an event attended by only 36 MPs infuriated senior campaign officials, who felt that publicly revealing how few Labour MPs back the campaign was a strategic blunder. Oofft. |
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23rd January 2019, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2019, 10:51 AM) We’ve got political freedom. I’m still waiting for a single example of a law we have been forced to adopt against the will of the government of the day. There was 72 out of 25,000 laws passed in the UK between joining the EU and the end of 2015. 25% of those were the UK throwing a strop over tiny changes to the EU budget. A number of them were our idea in the first place but included a single clause we didn’t like so threw a strop. |
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23rd January 2019, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 23 2019, 11:24 AM) Trouble brewing in the People's Vote campaign: https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/the-ca...t-has-descended Oofft. or, in summary: People's Vote supporters split on when would be the best time to attempt going for a People's Vote, and MP's not yet willing to publicly come forward until events have led to the case being stronger and other options rejected. Meanwhile, those against a People's Vote try to make it appear as if they as divided and ridiculously bewildered as Corbyn and his acolytes are. So, the Norway Option then, how's that coming along? What meetings and planning is going on to achive that, cos all I see is other Labour MP's trying to take No Deal off the table rather than the Leader Of The Opposition.....? |
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23rd January 2019, 12:39 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 22 2019, 10:34 PM) Please have the courtesy to use his proper title - “Disgraced former Defence Secretary Dr Liam Fox”. Apologies! Can we shorten it DFDSDL Foxy-Loxy-Werrity-Matey? |
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23rd January 2019, 12:46 PM
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Wouldn’t Dr Lie be even shorter while still maintaining a level of accuracy?
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23rd January 2019, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 23 2019, 12:39 PM) Apologies! Can we shorten it DFDSDL Foxy-Loxy-Werrity-Matey? 
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23rd January 2019, 01:59 PM
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Just stating the obvious here but we've already had a people's vote and we voted to leave the EU so hopefully we will on March 29th. There's no need for any more peoples' votes.
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23rd January 2019, 03:12 PM
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QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 01:59 PM) Just stating the obvious here but we've already had a people's vote and we voted to leave the EU so hopefully we will on March 29th. There's no need for any more peoples' votes. Just stating the obvious here, but the 2016 vote was an advisory referendum with no information at all on what sort of deal we would get if we left. That vote resulted in a narrow victory for a side that broke the law, overspending by a substantial amount. There ar still suspicions about other aspects of the campaign. The Leave campaigners promised sunlit uplands and no downside if we voted to Leave. They said that we would hold all the cards in negotiations with the EU. Now we are told that leaving will be a success because "the world will keep on turning". A vote on the deal will be a vote on reality rather than a vague, undefined concept. |
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23rd January 2019, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2019, 09:51 AM) We’ve got political freedom. I’m still waiting for a single example of a law we have been forced to adopt against the will of the government of the day. We don't have full control of our economy - VAT for example. QUOTE(Crazy Chris @ Jan 23 2019, 01:59 PM) Just stating the obvious here but we've already had a people's vote and we voted to leave the EU so hopefully we will on March 29th. There's no need for any more peoples' votes. Exactly. QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2019, 03:12 PM) Just stating the obvious here, but the 2016 vote was an advisory referendum with no information at all on what sort of deal we would get if we left. That vote resulted in a narrow victory for a side that broke the law, overspending by a substantial amount. There ar still suspicions about other aspects of the campaign. You are clinging to that aspect like a superglued limpet.  The result is *not* going to be annulled on that basis - and even if it were, it would piss off voters so much, that any rerun would produce a much bigger Leave majority!
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23rd January 2019, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2019, 03:12 PM) Just stating the obvious here, but the 2016 vote was an advisory referendum with no information at all on what sort of deal we would get if we left. That vote resulted in a narrow victory for a side that broke the law, overspending by a substantial amount. There ar still suspicions about other aspects of the campaign. The Leave campaigners promised sunlit uplands and no downside if we voted to Leave. They said that we would hold all the cards in negotiations with the EU. Now we are told that leaving will be a success because "the world will keep on turning". A vote on the deal will be a vote on reality rather than a vague, undefined concept. I wouldn't bother trying to open up a dialogue with him. He's made his mind up. As long as people that talk different or look a bit different sod back off to where they "came from", he doesn't care who gets hurt. But yay....Blue passports! |
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23rd January 2019, 03:47 PM
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You’ve been put in your place on VAT before. Do you want me to link it again for you to ignore a second time or would you prefer to just sit down, shut up and accept you don’t know what you’re talking about?
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23rd January 2019, 04:18 PM
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If we do leave, I rather hope that some foreign billionaire ensures a new government is elected that is committed to rejoining on whatever terms we can get, i.e. joining Schengen and adopting the euro. Clearly the Quitters won't mind if said foreign billionaire ignores all the electoral rules because they don't actually care about such apparently trivial matters.
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23rd January 2019, 04:20 PM
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Omg there's 2 of them now?
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23rd January 2019, 04:26 PM
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 23 2019, 03:47 PM) You’ve been put in your place on VAT before. Do you want me to link it again for you to ignore a second time or would you prefer to just sit down, shut up and accept you don’t know what you’re talking about? Could you *be* any more patronising? |
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23rd January 2019, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2019, 04:18 PM) If we do leave, I rather hope that some foreign billionaire ensures a new government is elected that is committed to rejoining on whatever terms we can get, i.e. joining Schengen and adopting the euro. Clearly the Quitters won't mind if said foreign billionaire ignores all the electoral rules because they don't actually care about such apparently trivial matters. Very droll. |
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23rd January 2019, 05:07 PM
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QUOTE(*Tim @ Jan 23 2019, 04:20 PM) Omg there's 2 of them now? I find that rather rude and condescending. We're not a different species you know. 
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