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 18th February 2019, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 18 2019, 02:48 PM)  No higher than the death rate in Glasgow, apparently - that was one of the points made. A point that many people dispute. |
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18th February 2019, 04:07 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 18 2019, 03:36 PM) A point that many people dispute. I'd be very surprised if they didn't. |
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18th February 2019, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 18 2019, 02:50 PM) I take it you have proof of the above, then. The BBC. |
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18th February 2019, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 18 2019, 04:07 PM) I'd be very surprised if they didn't. You missed the point. He made a statement of "fact". He just assumed that people would believe him because he said it with confidence on a posh voice. |
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19th February 2019, 06:57 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 18 2019, 09:41 PM) You missed the point. He made a statement of "fact". He just assumed that people would believe him because he said it with confidence on a posh voice. Are you saying then that your default position is extreme scepticism over any information from a source on the 'wrong' side of the political divide? Over the years, I've learned to be very cautious on information even from *my* side of a debate, as I recognize that they have an agenda too. 
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19th February 2019, 07:51 AM
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Men found guilty of stealing free newspapers at London Bridge
https://www.london-se1.co.uk/news/view/9837...0a725-408108629 Curious one, this. 
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19th February 2019, 08:04 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 06:57 AM) Are you saying then that your default position is extreme scepticism over any information from a source on the 'wrong' side of the political divide? Over the years, I've learned to be very cautious on information even from *my* side of a debate, as I recognize that they have an agenda too. Possibly because I & others are quick to point out provable lies, the vast majority of which come from "your" side of the debate - people who disagree are equally free to poo-poo any statement made by anybody over anything by quoting facts. The fact that that doesn't happen should tell you something..... The internet contains the history of the whole human race and entire universe, freely available, and people instead push lies and agendas despite the facts that can easily prove they are liars or twisting conversations away from facts, and a major problem in society world-wide now is intolerance based around anger and shutting down debate of anyone who holds a different point of view. The only way to win a debate in the long run is truth and reason. Everything else is temporary and ultimately insubstantial in the long run. |
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19th February 2019, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Feb 19 2019, 08:04 AM) The internet contains the history of the whole human race and entire universe If only.  QUOTE , freely available, and people instead push lies and agendas despite the facts that can easily prove they are liars or twisting conversations away from facts, and a major problem in society world-wide now is intolerance based around anger and shutting down debate of anyone who holds a different point of view. The only way to win a debate in the long run is truth and reason. Everything else is temporary and ultimately insubstantial in the long run. The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies? |
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19th February 2019, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 08:26 AM) If only. The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies? Because they can and they often get away with it, particularly if the press are on their side. |
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19th February 2019, 09:27 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 19 2019, 09:05 AM) Because they can and they often get away with it, particularly if the press are on their side. BUt they *don't* get away with it - their lies are exposed. After that, you're just left with people who choose to believe them, because it suits them. |
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19th February 2019, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 09:27 AM) BUt they *don't* get away with it - their lies are exposed. After that, you're just left with people who choose to believe them, because it suits them. The exposure of the lies frequently gets less coverage than the original lie. Remember, a lie has got half way round the world before the truth has got its boots on. |
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19th February 2019, 12:31 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 19 2019, 08:26 AM) If only. The question then must be, why would people even bother posting easily disprovable lies? Cos people are lazy and just read headline propaganda. They expect other people to do their research for them.... |
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19th February 2019, 03:18 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Feb 19 2019, 12:31 PM) Cos people are lazy and just read headline propaganda. They expect other people to do their research for them.... Perish the thought that I'd ever do that... 
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22nd February 2019, 06:04 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2...s-business-live
UK public finances hit record surplus in boost to chancellor ************************************* Isn't this what austerity was *supposed* to achieve? I dare say Corbyn is working out how to plunder it, though... |
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22nd February 2019, 07:28 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 22 2019, 06:04 AM) https://www.theguardian.com/business/live/2...s-business-live UK public finances hit record surplus in boost to chancellor ************************************* Isn't this what austerity was *supposed* to achieve? I dare say Corbyn is working out how to plunder it, though... The figures are for January, the month of the Self-Assessment deadline. It is always a bumper month for tax receipts. |
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22nd February 2019, 07:48 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 22 2019, 07:28 AM) The figures are for January, the month of the Self-Assessment deadline. It is always a bumper month for tax receipts. Are you really playing down some *good* economic news? |
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22nd February 2019, 07:51 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Feb 22 2019, 07:48 AM) Are you really playing down some *good* economic news? I'm putting it in context. One month's figures on their own are meaningless. It's longer-term trends that really count. |
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22nd February 2019, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 22 2019, 07:51 AM) I'm putting it in context. One month's figures on their own are meaningless. It's longer-term trends that really count. I'm glad you said that... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-67...us-January.html Even though it's a Mail article, the 25 year deficit graph it contains is based on real figures, rather than the usual politically slanted opinion.  |
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22nd February 2019, 10:38 AM
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perhaps these stats will help with the issue of debt relative to the rest of the world and as a percentage of GDP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._by_public_debt all of the crisis-avoiding money-printing has been made by the Tories and Labour since 2008. |
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22nd February 2019, 11:22 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Feb 22 2019, 10:38 AM) perhaps these stats will help with the issue of debt relative to the rest of the world and as a percentage of GDP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_national_debt https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_count..._by_public_debt all of the crisis-avoiding money-printing has been made by the Tories and Labour since 2008. All very nice, but surely the issue is that it is heading the right way - comparing the relative levels to the rest of the world is irrelevant in this context. |
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