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Scottish Independence
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vidcapper View member profile	Jan 29 2019, 11:21 AM Post #21
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Jan 29 2019, 10:43 AM) Because English nationalism is blood and soil nationalism but Scottish nationalism is civic nationalism. Care to explain the difference? Don't say 'look it up' - I'm interested in how you interpret it? QUOTE I.e. EngNats hate immigrants but ScotNats are fervently pro-immigrants Even English immigrants? This post has been edited by vidcapper: Jan 29 2019, 11:24 AM


Harve View member profile	Jan 29 2019, 04:28 PM Post #22
Cœur poids plume Joined: 3 November 2007 Posts: 18,129 User: 4,718	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 29 2019, 12:21 PM) Even English immigrants? Hello, English immigrant here, and, yes? Do you really look at pro-independence politicians and see anti-Englishness?


vidcapper View member profile	Jan 29 2019, 04:44 PM Post #23
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Harve @ Jan 29 2019, 04:28 PM) Hello, English immigrant here, and, yes? Do you really look at pro-independence politicians and see anti-Englishness? That's why I tried to ask in a neutral way.


Suedehead2 View member profile	Jan 29 2019, 05:19 PM Post #24
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,648 User: 3,272	English nationalism tends to be expressed as English superiority and exceptionalism. The last 2 1/2 years have reinforced that with (mainly English) Quitters sticking to their belief that the EU should offer the UK far more than they offer any other non-members.


vidcapper View member profile	Jan 30 2019, 06:55 AM Post #25
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 29 2019, 05:19 PM) English nationalism tends to be expressed as English superiority and exceptionalism. The last 2 1/2 years have reinforced that with (mainly English) Quitters sticking to their belief that the EU should offer the UK far more than they offer any other non-members. Can you demonstrate that English nationalism (in terms of temporary UKIP support rather than knuckle-dragging BNP etc), was anything other than 'civic', rather than 'blood & soil'. Or indeed that there is no 'blood & soil' nationalism amongst SNP voters? Also, I don't think it's legitimate to equate 'former members' with 'non-members', as the latter will never have made any contribution, economic or otherwise, to the EU, whereas our contribution was major.