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Posted by: common sense 23rd March 2017, 08:51 AM

There was a thread just after the 2012 election for the 2016 one so here's a new one for 2020.

Here's a man convinced that Hillary will stand again.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/hillary-clinton-is-running-for-president-again-214766

Posted by: common sense 23rd March 2017, 09:02 AM

I honestly can't see her putting herself forward again and if she does I doubt she'd get the nomination. She's lost, twice and losers very rarely get a second chance. Could she beat Trump though, assuming he's the incumbent standing again?

Also being mentioned are Caroline Kennedy and Oprah Winfrey though I think the Dems won't risk a woman again next time.

Posted by: Qween 23rd March 2017, 09:42 AM

Even if she wanted to (which, lets be honest, anyone with a desire for power who got that close would almost definitely want to try again) she won't. It wouldn't make sense, she's viewed very favourably for having fought ''the good fight'', but running again would be seen as hubris and she'd probably be humiliated by a poor showing in the early primaries and forced to drop out anyway.

I don't think running a female candidate is/was the issue here, it was a change election. Running with some like Elizabeth Warren in 2020 (or 2024) is more than likely going to be a major positive to the campaign, once again.

Posted by: danG 23rd March 2017, 10:29 AM

Hillary would rather spare herself the embarrassment of losing the next primary than attempt to run again surely?

Posted by: Silas 23rd March 2017, 10:39 AM

Rumour is she's going to be Mayor of New York instead. She's still popular there and because of 9/11 it's one of the few places where the Police Union backed here over the orange c**t.

I doubt she'll run again. I could see her daughter running in 2028/2032 though.

Posted by: popchartfreak 23rd March 2017, 12:19 PM

everything depends on whether Trump has been convicted of treason by then. If the Republicans have been found to ignore clear evidence of collusion with the Russians interfering in elections and making deals then the Democrats could run a chipmunk and it will win. Watergate was a walk in the park compared what is being alleged currently. If 24 million lose their healthcare, the Dems will clean up (as many will have been trump supporters, and Dems won the popular vote anyway already).

The iron-clad rule of people going to prison is: first ones to turn States evidence get a lighter sentence. Some key members of the Trump campaign and government will be going to prison.

If the Republicans somehow get away with alleged reports of wrongdoing, and come out of it smelling of roses (which is unlikely) then Oprah shouldn't be written off - clearly political experience is not needed (see Trump) and she's a supporter of Democratic politics, and would be a double kick-in-the-face to the extreme right who think they are going to change things to their way of seeing the world. She is also hugely popular with the electorate, smart, black and a woman, a triple whammy.

Posted by: Houdini 23rd March 2017, 12:50 PM

Let's hope Donald Trump loses this election and spares us from 4 more years of his bullshit.

Posted by: Klaus 23rd March 2017, 10:28 PM

Not in relation to 2020 but I can see Ivanka Trump standing to be a candidate in a future election so long as Trump does last the full 4 (or even 8 God help us) years. Her holding an office, advising her father and sitting in on meetings seems to be setting her up to be a future candidate for President. I'm sure Donald would love the fact that he could have a greater hold on the presidency.

Posted by: Peenus Fly Trap 23rd March 2017, 10:45 PM

Especially as she is basically one of his puppets. Plastic feminism.

Posted by: common sense 25th March 2017, 07:20 PM

If you mean impeached then most US political analysts that I've read recently can't see that happening whilst the Republicans control congress. They just won't find him guilty if it gets that far but the threat of it may cause him to throw in the towel as Nixon did and hand over to Pence who would then seek his own mandate in 2020.

Posted by: Suedehead2 25th March 2017, 07:33 PM

If the Republicans think they face being hammered in the mid-terms, their loyalty to Trump may weaken somewhat.

Posted by: Qween 25th March 2017, 07:57 PM

Well, if THE GREAT DEAL MAKER fails to make another deal then they may well start to worry (and I may begin to allow HOPE back into my life)

Posted by: common sense 21st April 2017, 03:55 PM

Trump currently 11/10 to be the Republican candidate and Pence 11/2. Elizabeth Warren the current favourite for the Dems with Hillary around 10-1

Posted by: FezVez 22nd April 2017, 09:53 AM

#Hillary2020

Posted by: bluesunstorm 24th April 2017, 09:39 PM

Elizabeth Warren already said that she doesn't want to run for president. I really like her, but she already polls under Trump and Massachusetts isn't America - John Kerry says hi! She only won her Senate election by six points, and it's speculated that 2018 won't be a cakewalk for her either. There's still too much sexism and bias in politics against strong and intelligent women, unfortunately. I don't know who the 2020 Democratic nominee will be, but I'm guessing probably a center-left heterosexual (white) man.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia 24th April 2017, 09:59 PM

Exactly. It won't be a woman - maybe the U.S as it is currently will NEVER have a woman president. There is waaay too much sexism.

Posted by: IrnQween 24th April 2017, 11:21 PM

It'll be Tim Kaine if Trump is likely to win, or some loser placeholder of that ilk.

Posted by: #Justice4HeMo 26th April 2017, 03:55 PM

Can we just have Bernie Sanders and call it a day

Posted by: Tippin Virginia 26th April 2017, 05:50 PM

I told y'aaalll in the June BEFORE the prmaries even started that Berbie was the stronger, more popular candidate!

Posted by: Tippin Virginia 26th April 2017, 05:52 PM

Frankly, if the DNC hadn't messed around with the process and debates and caucuses, opened every primary, SD only counting in the tallies AT the convention, Bernie woulda won. He had waay more momentum and was extremely popular at a grassroots level.

Posted by: common sense 26th April 2017, 05:58 PM

No he'll be to old in 2020.

Posted by: Tippin Virginia 26th April 2017, 06:11 PM

Maybe. Maybe not! He would have gone for 2020 reelection if he had run and inevitably destroyed Trump.

Shoulda listened to me and the grassroots momentum last year!!

Posted by: IrnQween 26th April 2017, 06:48 PM

I'm not even sure WHY I'm engaging again, but let's just wait and see how well GRASS ROOTS MOMENTUM gets old Jezza.

Posted by: Silas 26th April 2017, 06:48 PM

Can you just engage the ban button?

Posted by: Qassändra 27th April 2017, 12:45 AM

*White grassroots level. Literally every time you say all of this, you say that black votes do not matter and that black Democrats were duped by the party and white Democrats weren't. Because that is what this boils down to. Black votes were the bedrock of Hillary's support and her three million vote lead. They would not have changed their mind because of process concerns. They didn't vote for Bernie because they felt lectured by someone who hadn't put in the time in their communities, as Hillary incontestably had for the last 20 years. If the left thinks the only reason Bernie didn't win was because of conspiracy and that it has nothing to learn on how it speaks to Southern black Democrats, it's going to have a hard time winning the nomination in 2020.

Posted by: popchartfreak 27th April 2017, 11:32 AM

I like Bernie, he speaks up and talks sense. He is, though, too old. Someone pushing 80, in purely practical terms, is a risk in terms of energy levels and life-expectancy. You can see what happens with trump the amount of time he takes off for Golfing (among other things) and the lack of time he puts into politics, and he's pretty old.

The next candidate should be 40-something or younger, it's going to need huge energy levels to sort out the mess by 2020....

Posted by: #Justice4HeMo 27th April 2017, 11:22 PM

Can we just erase the next four years from modern American history and have the next president be the 45th?

Posted by: jjake 28th April 2017, 02:10 AM

i've cut a spare copy of pokemon gold and silver if you want to borrow it?

Posted by: #Justice4HeMo 28th April 2017, 04:08 AM

the lady drives a hard bargain... I'll think about it

Posted by: bluesunstorm 29th April 2017, 01:51 AM

That seems a little optimistic. I don't see how a candidate who couldn't even win against "ever-flawed" Hillary Clinton would somehow be better positioned to win the general against Trump. Sanders did very well in the first three primary contests, but it didn't lead to the majority of voters being convinced he was the better choice like it did in 2008 for Obama. Sanders is really too far left for general American politics, and he comes across as very patronizing and sanctimonious after awhile. I don't think he would have beaten Trump either.

I'd vote for him if he were the nominee, but I wouldn't exactly be thrilled about it.

Posted by: vidcapper 7th May 2017, 09:15 AM

Never say never - 50 years ago the idea of having a black president would have been similarly inconceivable...

Posted by: Suedehead2 29th July 2017, 04:35 PM

In what may be some sort of record, the number of Democrats in the race for 2020 has already reached one.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world-0/us-politics/john-delaney-us-president-2020-donald-trump-democratic-party-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-a7866236.html

Posted by: Crazy Chris 8th January 2018, 07:02 PM

Oprah Winfrey for 2020 for the Democrats? I think she'd have a very good chance of beating Trump and becoming the first female president.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 8th January 2018, 07:06 PM

Whilst I know my precognitive powers regarding US elections have been very much non-existent in the past few years, I can confidently make these two predictions -

Oprah Winfrey will not be running for President in 2020, either as a Democrat or "Other".

The first female US president will be a Republican, most likely than not Nikki Haley, and it will likely happen in 2024.

Posted by: Qassändra 8th January 2018, 07:13 PM

Why confidently that the first female US president will be a Republican? At this (admittedly early) stage I'd give it greater than evens odds that the Democrats will have a female candidate next time, and I'd give it considerably greater than evens odds that the Democrats will win the next presidential election if all Trump does for the next three years is talk to his base, given how narrow his win was in 2016.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 8th January 2018, 07:20 PM

Quote messed up but to answer Brett-Butler.

I think if Trump wins again, Pence will hope to be the nominee in 2024.

Posted by: Qassändra 8th January 2018, 07:26 PM

The only reason you take on that job is if you hope to be President.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 8th January 2018, 07:29 PM

For a start, I really don't think there's any women within the Democratic Party who I can see winning in 2020. First of all, I very much doubt that Democrats would go for Oprah Winfrey - after attacking the Repubs for standing a candidate with no political experience, it would be quite ironic for them to stand her, in spite of her popularity (and I doubt that she'd do as well in the face-to-face debates).

Warren & Clinton will be too old, and whilst there's energy behind Harris & Gillibrand, I can't see either of them beating whomever the Republicans stand in 2020, be it Trump (which I still see as likely) or someone else. Of course, I could be wrong, and there might be a hitherto-unknown senator who can "do an Obama" and storm her way to the top, but my gut tells me at the moment that this isn't the case.

I also have a theory that the electorate as a whole are more likely to be accepting of a female Head of State/Leader if she is of a right-of-centre disposition rather than to the left. Admittedly it's probably not a theory that stands up to much scrutiny, and I base it really mainly on the fact that the only female PM's in the UK have been Tory, and that the only female chancellor in Germany has been the right-leaning Merkel. I'd be interested to see if there has been research into whether this is actually the case or not, or whether I'm talking out of my posterior (I'm not sure what it's like in South America for example, which I know has had quite a few female Heads of State, but I'm not sure of where they stood politically).

Posted by: Brett-Butler 8th January 2018, 07:33 PM

The only Republican that's going to escape Trump's cabinet with her reputation intact will be Nikki Haley.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 8th January 2018, 10:59 PM

Debatable with Thatcher.

I doubt Trump will run again in 2020 if he knows he is likely to lose.

Posted by: Qassändra 9th January 2018, 04:07 AM

Why would Harris or Gillibrand likely do worse than the now seemingly commonly agreed worst candidate to ever exist in the history of ever Hillary Clinton, who came within 50,000 votes of defeating a president who has unquestionably confirmed a lot of the worst expectations of the people who were sceptical of him but gave him a chance with their vote?

(there is one answer I can think of on this that doesn't relate to the candidates themselves)

Posted by: Qassändra 9th January 2018, 04:09 AM

Well, it wasn't really their main line of attack on Trump, and in any case it comes down to primary voters. I think the last election showed if anything the limits of the idea that the party decides who to run.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 9th January 2018, 05:22 AM

#toldyouso

USA is NOT ready for a woman president, ESPECIALLY after how bad Hillary was.

SAnders is the only choice. He was the only choice last time too.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 9th January 2018, 08:48 AM

Well that's abhorrent.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 9th January 2018, 07:35 PM

I predict it doesnt matter a stuff who the Dems nominate as they will be running against a party who chose a man who lied to his fanbase, and they will all by then be doing so badly economically and health insurance-wise and so on, that they just won't be bothered about voting for anyone knowing he will just lie again and nothing will change.

Plus he's guilty of so many things he most-likely wont be President by then. If someone as unpopular and corrupt as he cant be shifted by the American Constitution and associated systems then it ceases to be democratic and the USA is finished in the long-term except as a banana republic. More likely Dems will wait till they hold enough power to boot him out and start the ball rolling on dozens of charges against corrupt republicans (for example any government employee who follows Trumps' Fake News Awards instructions becomes guilty of hampering the freedom and integrity of the press and may be prosecuted even if Trump can pardon himself of all of his crimes). They are all implicated, Pence and further down the food chain to the plankton like Trump Jr and Blondie and her Big Biz plotting hubby.

So, The Rock vs Ivanka Trump (assuming she avoids prison). You heard it here first...

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 9th January 2018, 07:47 PM

The only Democrats polling lower than Trump are the female ones. Why? Sexism.

The Republicans used sexist attacks very effectively v Hillary. Some old and rural people there still LITERALLY say 'president is a man's job'.

Hillary was awful - too establishment and neoliberal for the left, too Democrat for the middle and Republicans.

Sanders is the only good candidate.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 9th January 2018, 07:57 PM

I'd argue that Hillary Clinton was probably the most likely women to become president, and she did after all win the popular vote - however her strategy was flawed as Michael mentions above with a failure to speak to and on the behalf of those left behind and not doing well after the financial crash in 2008. I think she probably thought that the horror of the alternative and countless celebrity endorsements was enough to walk it and they got a little complacent. Having said this I think there will be no better time for a women to win as a Democratic candidate than in 2020, seen as the antidote to Trump, if they were to stand on a slightly left of centre platform with an endorsement from Sanders with a message that engaged and inspired younger supporters as well as stood on traditional Democratic values.

Posted by: Qassändra 9th January 2018, 09:02 PM

Utter fucking nonsense even on its own grounds. More people voted for female candidates than Trump in the deciding states he won.

Posted by: Qassändra 9th January 2018, 09:03 PM

Posted by: Soy Adrián 9th January 2018, 11:50 PM

Find me those polls and I might believe you're not just making shit up because you haven't heard of anyone apart from Sanders.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 10th January 2018, 12:13 AM

Here's an article on it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll-trump-democrats-elizabeth-warren-235026

I told you Bernie shoulda won. I told you Trump would otherwise win. Now I am predicting a Sanders 2020 run with another socialist. Trump will defeat ANY other Democrat.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 10th January 2018, 09:25 AM

A clueless clock is right twice a day.

I'm still not sure Sanders would have won, but Biden and Warren probably would have. Regardless, Trump is less popular than any other President in history at this stage in his first term - the idea that there's only one person who could beat him next time is laughable.

EDIT: The article you shared is from February!

Posted by: blacksquare 10th January 2018, 11:53 AM

"Sanders is the only good candidate."

Please, he's almost 80 years-old. The cult of Bernie needs to end, his supporters are just going to damage the actual 2020 candidate.

Harris please.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 10th January 2018, 02:21 PM

as they already did with the 2016 candidate, which to any sane non-Trump-fan would have surely found preferable to the eventual moron who scraped in due to a distorted system. Bernie could have popped his cloggs by 2020, never mind run a massively exhausting campaign and then do an exhausting job for 4 years. Trump only copes by doing nothing much other than tweeting and playing golf...

Posted by: Qassändra 22nd January 2018, 09:06 PM

For what it's worth, Sanders is http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/369555-poll-biden-holds-double-digit-lead-over-field-of-2020-dem-presidential#.WmIZarkQ2Yg.twitter in the Democratic primary polls - which is astoundingly bad for someone who has near-universal name recognition and came 2nd with 40% two years ago. Implies his coalition isn't quite as solidly behind him as you think.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 22nd January 2018, 09:12 PM

Among Democrats.

They need independents and Republicans to vote too.

They have opened up more primaries and caucuses and got rid of some superdelegates.

The field is wide open for him to walk across.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 10:25 PM

Why would Republicans vote for Sanders, unless they think a Sanders candidacy makes things easier for the orange one?

Posted by: Qassändra 22nd January 2018, 10:33 PM

It's the Democratic primaries. As a rule, Democrats tend to form the bulk of the voters in them. Hint's in the name.

And anyway:

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 22nd January 2018, 10:36 PM

As Republicans vote for him in Vermont AND he is the most popular US politician in YEARS with cross-party support AND in inner Democrat strategist surveys, he is the one to beat and they reckon he will be the next candidate. Considering he started off with 2% last time, he is in more than a good position.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 23rd January 2018, 09:18 AM

Link please.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 23rd January 2018, 11:04 AM

I've read on some US newspaper sites some talk of Sanders being the nominee with Hillary as his VP pick. Whether she'd want to run second is debateable though, but Sanders is old, so she may see it as a way to achieve her ambition if he beats Trump but then dies in office.

One political analyst said that he can think of only three people who could beat Trump in 2020. Barack Obama in a landslide but he can't stand. Michelle Obama or Oprah Winfrey. Anyone else, including Sanders, and Trump has a second term.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 23rd January 2018, 12:51 PM

Trump is the most unpopular President ever at the end of his first term.

That political analyst is talking out of his arse, as we should find out in November. Elections are also filled with candidates (such as Obama) who were totally off the radar 3 years before the election....

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd January 2018, 02:53 PM

May I borrow your crystal ball, since his first term won't be over for a couple of years.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 23rd January 2018, 04:22 PM

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-2020-presidential-elections-721906%3Famp%3D1&ved=2ahUKEwjyq9LRvu7YAhWI16QKHePgAJMQFjABegQIDRAB&usg=AOvVaw2s0q_6Z6pLW0nUvNp-OtL9&ampcf=1

Posted by: Soy Adrián 23rd January 2018, 04:39 PM

That's interesting. In some ways the runner up from the previous time always starts as the favourite if it looks like they'll run again, and Democratic insiders will be aware of the extent to which their base has generally shifted leftwards in the last couple of years.

On the other hand...

It's still a complete joke to assert that he is definitely going to be the nominee, or that he's the only one who is capable of beating Trump.

It should be obvious why the former is a load of balls - a million and one things can change between now and 2020, and there are serious candidates throughout the Democratic field who are lining up for a run and are sufficiently lefty to appeal to the new base. It's far from a done deal that the left will coalesce around Sanders.

As for the latter, as others have pointed out - Trump is less popular at this stage than any other postwar President. Numerous more popular Presidents have sought a second term and lost, so he's immensely vulnerable to all sorts of challenges. Sanders and Clinton were both seriously flawed in terms of winning an election in their own ways.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 23rd January 2018, 04:57 PM

Do you have a crystal ball? There's three more years to go to the end of his term. Anything can happen! Dubya was very unpopular during his first term but was re-elected to the surprise of many. I fully expect Donald to be a two term President. I think he'll be very hard to beat.

Posted by: Iz 23rd January 2018, 04:59 PM

Of course we can never really know the future but when the man-child regularly causes diplomatic embarrassment on Twitter, shows little sign of introducing great legislation and is likely to have a hard time getting anything through the rest of the American government once these midterms hit it's hard to see his approval ratings improving.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 23rd January 2018, 05:17 PM

Of course - let's face it, we are talking about a group of very old people here to start with, before factoring in how momentum will change things in the race, or who ends up polling better than Trump around 2019.

I haven't seen anything aboot Bernie/ Hillary since 2016 when it was seen as a superticket. It now won't be.

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd January 2018, 05:30 PM

The incumbent generally has the advantage of name recognition. It is likely that relatively few Americans will currently have heard of whoever the Democrat nominee turns out to be.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 23rd January 2018, 05:43 PM

Does anyone here agree with me that Oprah would walk it if she runs in 2020? I think she'd beat Trump. In fact if she stands I can see Trump not seeking a second term.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 23rd January 2018, 06:11 PM

Trump would LOVE a second race against a woman, as a misogynist, especially as he wants his daughter to be the first female president to stick it even more to the Clintons. It would be the perfect race for hi - an inexperienced populist vs a (now) experienced populist.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 23rd January 2018, 08:04 PM

I was rushing to answer an email at work

Yes I meant year, though in Trump's case maybe a SCHOOL term is more appropriate since he works a few hours day, throws tantrums, is never off his mobile phone and has weekends off mucking around in sand pits and playing with balls on grass.

BTW I dont see him doing anything in 3 years (assuming he lasts that long, which I tend to doubt) that will make him popular. You can only learn to love wife-cheating porno shagging daughter ogling racist compulsive lying self-enriching poor-knocking health-care-killing rich-tax-cutting tax-dodging hate-spreading kkk-supporting dicks in very exceptional circumstances.

Such as nuclear weapons heading for the west coast.....

Posted by: Crazy Chris 23rd January 2018, 08:14 PM

Yes he's said he'd love her to oppose him but that he would beat her...

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 23rd January 2018, 08:17 PM

"In a series of hypothetical 2020 one-on-one contests Trump trails Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders by a 55% to 42% margin among registered voters. He lags further behind former Vice President Joe Biden by a wide 57% to 40% split, and trails television personality Oprah Winfrey by a 51% to 42% divide."

That's on CNN.

Bet even Hillary is kicking herself for not waiting until Trump was even LESS popular!

If it is a year of traditional candidates, the Democratic establishment can support anyone tbh and might not choose Bernie, but someone more neoliberal

Posted by: Qassändra 24th January 2018, 02:18 AM

He has a 75% approval rating but only 16% supporting him, coming from 40%. That...is not a good position.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 24th January 2018, 02:39 AM

In other polls he is the top candidate, and he leads Trump. He has made inroads to shore-up his weaknesses from the last campaign, especially on foreign policy in the Senate. NGL, the fact almost ANY Democrat trounces Trump means he is in a worse position, as the Establishment can basically HANDPICK who they want, with super-delegates and promotion - like last time, but with far more leeway. As we get closer and Generic Democrat stops being an option and support shifts around behind centrists and leftists, we will get a clearer picture - shaping up to be a Biden/ Bernie fight, probably ending in a super-ticket. Could Biden be a vice p again?? With a #metoo scandal percolating around Biden atm, it's Bernie who looks to be stronger.

Posted by: Qassändra 24th January 2018, 02:52 AM

Yes, I can definitely see a joint ticket of two near-80 year olds going down well given the purpose of the role of the vice presidency.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 24th January 2018, 08:10 AM

Bush was nowhere near as unpopular early in his presidency. By this point in his 9/11 had made his approval ratings shoot up, but even before then he wasn't especially unpopular as presidents go.


Last time kind of put to bed the idea that the establishments of both parties can handpick their candidate and they'll win easily. Clinton still got 20% more votes than Bernie, the superdelegates didn't end up making a difference. It's likely to be a more crowded field next time as well.

Speculating about a Bernie vs Biden face off / ticket at this stage is about as instructive as anticipating a Republican ticket of Jeb! and Marco Rubio four years ago. Things change.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 24th January 2018, 02:37 PM

As it stands of today, they - and Oprah :/ - are the most popular. But you're right, it will probably be veeery crowded. I think what helped Bernie get name recognition last time was that he was the ONLY other candidate.

I wonder what would have happened if Biden HAD run last time

Posted by: Soy Adrián 24th January 2018, 03:34 PM

They have the highest name recognition, that's what is by far the biggest factor in polls that are taken this early. Senators like Kamala Harris or Kirsten Gillibrand may not be particularly known in the country as a whole outside of those who are interested in politics. When the race starts to build next year then we'll have a better idea of who you could call a frontrunner.

Posted by: vidcapper 24th January 2018, 04:07 PM

Did anyone comment on this at the time?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38254946

Did Clinton win more votes than any white man in history?

Posted by: Soy Adrián 24th January 2018, 04:28 PM

It was discussed generally at the time. It's of course technically true, although her share of the vote was lower than quite a few white male candidates since the voting franchise expanded to (in theory) ensure the same voting rights for different sexes and ethnicities.

The fact that it was higher than Trump's should, in any functioning 21st century democracy, have ensured that she'd become president.

Posted by: Suedehead2 24th January 2018, 05:07 PM

There is still a reasonable case to be made for the electoral college. However, the margin by which Clinton won the popular vote does make it look ridiculous.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 24th January 2018, 05:16 PM

Not in the UK. Tories often get more seats and barely more votes.

The US population is becoming more coastal. Their electoral system is designed to stop regional candidates. The two things don't go well together.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 24th January 2018, 05:35 PM

Trump would not have run for President, let alone gain the role, if Joe Biden had run. I believe that whilst Trump would have felt confident against both Sanders and Clinton, had the possibility of a Biden run been on the cards, he wouldn't have risked it. In my scenario, I still believe that Clinton would have been the Democratic nomination (there was no way the Democratic Party would have let anyone else run in 2016, even Uncle Joe), but would have lost to another candidate, most likely Jeb Bush.

Of course, that's the fun of playing "what if" games. You can predict whatever the heck you like, and no-one can tell you you're incorrect, because there's no frame of reference.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 24th January 2018, 05:44 PM

I agree - Biden wouldn't have won the nomination, going after Clinton's own supporters, so either lost to her or Bernie.

However, a Jeb vs Hillary match-up..., or Santorum, as the second most popular for a long while, would have been interesting. I think she would have won, just.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42Y5Ljf7E0c

Posted by: Qassändra 24th January 2018, 09:44 PM

If Biden had run last time things would have got nasty and it probably would've ended up as a brokered convention. That wouldn't even have been water on a chip pan fire - it would've been petroleum. A bang average white man who hadn't managed more than 1% in a single primary before decides to stop what at the time looked like the first female presidency on the sole basis of being more charming? Almost by definition he couldn't have differentiated from Hillary on policy so he would've had to go entirely personal to stop the first female major party candidacy. It would've torn the Democratic coalition to shreds.

Posted by: vidcapper 25th January 2018, 06:55 AM

Surely the system was designed to stop the more populous states from swamping the smaller ones by sheer weight of numbers - or so I was always told?

Posted by: Suedehead2 25th January 2018, 10:00 AM

That's the theory behind the electoral college, yes. ti also forces candidates to campaign in the smaller states although that becomes less true as more states become safe for one party. What a pity the government didn't think about whether English votes should be allowed to swamp those in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Posted by: vidcapper 25th January 2018, 10:23 AM

Surely they already did - that's why they have their own parliaments/assemblies.

Posted by: Qassändra 25th January 2018, 10:46 AM

So do states.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 25th January 2018, 11:04 AM

States also have a disproportionate representation in the Senate, as every state has two senators. Imagine the fuss if our upper house had 50 English representatives, 50 Scots, 50 Welsh and 50 NI.

Posted by: vidcapper 25th January 2018, 12:09 PM

Surely 2 per county (whatever the size) would be a better analogy?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 25th January 2018, 12:43 PM

American States also have Counties....

Posted by: Soy Adrián 25th January 2018, 01:42 PM

Arguably, yes. It would still be absurd.

Posted by: vidcapper 25th January 2018, 02:57 PM

Maybe some state legislatures do work on that basis?

Posted by: Suedehead2 25th January 2018, 04:11 PM

No, because the anomaly would be nowhere near as great.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 25th January 2018, 05:57 PM

BERNIE JUST CALLED A MEETING WITH ADVISORS FOR 2020

BERNIE CALLED A MEETING WITH HIS ADVISORS FOR 2020

IT IS HAPPENING

#feelthebern

#momentum

#hindsightis2020

Posted by: Crazy Chris 25th January 2018, 06:20 PM

Oprah Winfrey has said she won't be standing in 2020.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 25th January 2018, 07:17 PM

Well I for one am shocked.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 25th January 2018, 07:48 PM

Because an old white man is exactly what the world needs right now

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 25th January 2018, 08:37 PM

Policies, not gender.

Who is better than Corbyn or Bernie? Who is more socialist?

Exactly.

Posted by: Qassändra 25th January 2018, 09:35 PM

I certainly don't recall this much excitement when Cynthia McKinney ran.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 25th January 2018, 09:42 PM

Regrettably there's a character limit to posts so I cant post the sheer number of people who are better than more old white men

Posted by: blacksquare 25th January 2018, 11:47 PM

Bernie won't get the nomination. It's too soon for this excitement, and I really hope his supporters don't spend the next few years being toxic towards potential candidates. We need to be realistic here - there are other politicians on the left with progressive leanings who wouldn't be almost 88 at the end of their second term.

I really think they're going to go for less of a name this time, another Obama. I'm ready for a Kamala Harris push.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 26th January 2018, 09:35 AM

Agree, if they all start bitching and slagging off all non-Bernie's then it's handing it over to Trump yet again. He can remain influential without driving himself into an earlier grave. Very old men are likely to die in office and give the VP a leg-up, whoever that may be. Being President ages you badly, take a look at Bush and Obama photos before and after their terms. Trump only gets away with it as he's on the golf course and tweeting more than working.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 26th January 2018, 09:45 AM

Bernie works harder than Trump in the Senate!

He can do this.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 26th January 2018, 10:39 AM

I work harder than trump in the senate and I’ve never been to f***ing Washington DC.

It’s not an achievement. It’s a basic standard. It’s like an MEP saying they attend more and do more work than Farage. Naw shite sherlock

Posted by: Crazy Chris 26th January 2018, 10:44 AM

I think that's a little unfair. After all, how do any of us know how much or how many hours he's working? He's never off-duty either, in case of an emergency and it's not a 9 to 5 job.

Posted by: The Snake 26th January 2018, 10:56 AM

I think he has a good chance, if he can target those areas that voted for Trump thinking their old former industrial towns would be redeveloped. That's probably why most Trump voters voted for him despite not liking him, for the redevelopment promises he was making.

Posted by: CodyOfTheWoods 26th January 2018, 05:41 PM

I’m down for this

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 26th January 2018, 07:04 PM

What would you know about work?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 26th January 2018, 09:39 PM

it's a matter of record how many times he goes to mar a lago, and it's easy to see when he's not working cos he's tweeting after watching Fox News & Breitbart. He's had several emergencies and carried on golfing. puerto rico still doesn't have power and he's done f*** all about it for months now.

Laziest President Ever. Stupidest President Ever. Most Corrupt President Ever: just quoted as saying he wouldn't mind if the Russians did get him elected (more or less), and he makes millions out of the taxpayer and has lied about everything.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 27th January 2018, 05:31 PM

Posted by: The Snake 27th January 2018, 05:49 PM

Perhaps he's frustrated that he can't get most of his measures through because of opposition and has lost his motivation to work harder?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 27th January 2018, 09:49 PM

He has no excuse - the Republicans control both houses and the only places he has hit blocks is where he has tried to do something unconstitutional and the courts have ruled against him. The Republicans have been blocking for almost a decade, and it's a way of life because they want to destroy government - thats why key posts remain vacant. There is no one to blame other than his own party.

PS he's a spoilt rich thick boy draft dodger who is terrible at business. His fortune inherited would be worth way more if he'd just invested it and done nothing for the rest of his life. He's managed to "downsize", multiple bankruptcies, and hundreds of millions in debt to banks. I'm sure he'll do for the American economy what's he's done for his own wealth....

Posted by: Brett-Butler 27th January 2018, 10:26 PM

That talking point has been debunked many times, http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/dec/09/occupy-democrats/occupy-democrats-say-simple-investment-trumps-fath/.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 27th January 2018, 11:24 PM

Just reading that in a new survey, 71% of Rebublican voters think Trump is a good role model for children.

Posted by: Suedehead2 27th January 2018, 11:41 PM

That sounds very low. Surely a president should expect almost all his supporters to think he is a good role model for children. However, unless this question has been asked before with other presidents, it's hard to tell whether this figure is high, low or average.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 28th January 2018, 12:11 PM

But as a purveyor of lies shouldnt he hoist on his own petard? I mean Obama is American but he still lies about that constantly, and everything he did and achieved. Crooked Hillary (no charges). Crap at business is fairly mild in comparison for a fake news story....

I take the point though.

Just the multiple bankruptcies, hundreds of law suits, and German bankers appointed to senior roles from the bank that he owes 500m dollars to then. Among many others....

Posted by: Qassändra 29th January 2018, 02:04 AM

No, most Trump voters voted for Trump during the primaries, if they voted in the primaries at all. The number of Bernie voters who went for Trump in the autumn was minuscule - less than 5%.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 31st January 2018, 09:00 AM

Piers Morgan on GMB today said Oprah's definitely considering running and he also thinks Kamala Harris could be the Dems choice to fight his mate Trump.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 31st January 2018, 10:14 AM

Oprah has confirmed she won't be running and the world and his wife know that Harris probably will be.

I don't need to search inside Trump's anal cavity to find a mediocre TV personality to tell me false / obvious information.

Posted by: vidcapper 31st January 2018, 10:44 AM

For anyone else who, like me, had never heard of Kamala Harris : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris

Posted by: Crazy Chris 31st January 2018, 01:39 PM

Oprah may have said she won't be running but that doesn't mean she won't. She has over a year yet to decide.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 28th February 2018, 06:04 PM

According to The Sun, Trump says he'll definitely run for re-election in 2020.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 28th February 2018, 09:07 PM

in his dreams, obviously. He's assuming he'll actually have a choice by then. It's also the safest way of avoiding prison as the President has immunity from quite a lot of stuff. Such as sitting through pending court cases for sexual assault....?

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 28th February 2018, 09:17 PM

That man who claims he is fro the future in 2030 says Trump wins re-election if that counts for anything? x

Also the easiest prediction to make, rather than speculate on the Democratic choice etc

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th February 2018, 10:55 PM

He has apparently appointed a campaign manager. That has been fairly widely reported so, if the Sun were claiming an exclusive, they were lying again.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 21st January 2019, 07:18 PM

So they're starting to announce their intentions now. Democrat Kamala Harris, 54 and the junior Senator for California since 2017, has announced that she's entering the race and is one of the front-runners to win the nomination. Although I'm a big Trump fan I'd love to see a female President in my lifetime. Just in 2024 and not in 2020!

New York Senator Kirsten Gillibrand has also announced she's entering the race on the Stephen Colbert show.

Posted by: FezVez 21st January 2019, 10:01 PM

Will make an early prediction of a Biden/Harris ticket.

Posted by: Crazy Chris 22nd January 2019, 07:02 PM

Both Biden and Sanders are too old.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 22nd January 2019, 08:10 PM

Aye coz Trump is such a spring chicken.

Posted by: The Snake 3rd February 2019, 12:24 PM

Well he may have many flaws but he is a brave man, I will give him that. Considering the most likely scenario at the minute is a rather big defeat for him at the next election.

As for the Democrat candidates, Kamala Harris has the most hype at the minute and has been one of the first to throw her hat into the ring, so I do think at the minute she looks like she will be who is nominated.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd February 2019, 01:07 PM

If Biden stands, despite his age, I think he'll get the nomination.

As to your first sentence. It's very hard to unseat a sitting President. Last time it happened was in 1993 when Clinton denied Bush Sr. a second term. So history suggested that Trump will get a second term. Any democrat who seriously wants to become the next President would be wise to wait until 2024 when it's an open field without an encumbent to defeat.

Posted by: cantthinkofaname 3rd February 2019, 01:36 PM

Wait, this is a thing?

Posted by: Iz~ 3rd February 2019, 01:42 PM

Well, in terms of incumbents vs challengers, that was only 4 elections ago.

2012, 2004 and 1996 were victories for the sitting president. 1992 a loss. 1984 a victory, 1980 a loss. 1976 a loss. That last one happened in a scenario we could find Trump in as a Nixon should investigations go any further, though because of the man's stubbornness I do not expect him to leave the office prior to 2020 unless full impeachment happens.

But yes, just because it hasn't happened for a little while doesn't mean Trump is safe. I also think that picking an older candidate would be a mistake, the way the Democrats win this is a positive message, showing their candidate as an innovative new thinker. Kamala might be it but I am still suspect of the Americans' ability to support a female president, it seems like it'd be all too easy to paint her as another Hillary, and indeed the smearing has already started from certain alt-right swamp holes.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd February 2019, 05:03 PM

What do you mean? I think Trump's great and don't care who knows it. He's doing so much of what he's promised and even intends to build the wall. Many thought he wouldn't do it and it was a false promise just to get elected.

He's also a character and a breath of fresh air in the White House. I hope he gets a second term.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd February 2019, 05:06 PM

I actually can't see them risking another female this time. I think they'll go with a male and a generation younger than Trump, so in his 50's.

Posted by: vidcapper 4th February 2019, 06:40 AM

I'm a lot less enthusiastic - I regard him as only slightly the lesser of two evils.

Posted by: mald487 4th February 2019, 08:20 AM

Posted by: Popchartfreak 4th February 2019, 09:02 AM

Trump is a racist bullying stupid lying predatory misogynistic traitorous crook. That's why all of his political cronies are being picked off one by one by the FBI and pleading guilty as they work their way round to his direct family, and last of all Trump himself.

he has to run because he'll be arrested if he doesn't win. Everything he does is sleight of hand to distract from the investigations into his crimes. In the next election he won't be able to lie about his record in office and the fact that half his staff are in jail. He'll be a sitting duck. Yes his core fans won't give a shit that he's any of the above, but the people he lied to about saving jobs in communities across America won;t believe him this time and won;t vote for him. Even if they just stay away and don;t vote that'll be enough for a defeat, cos he lost the popular vote last time and only won by some dodgy wafer-thin States results.

Worst President in history, and will remain that way.

Apart from that he's a great bloke...

Posted by: vidcapper 4th February 2019, 09:25 AM

You're certainly strident in labelling politicians you don't like.

Unfortunately, in politics, nice guys don't win...

Posted by: Popchartfreak 4th February 2019, 02:07 PM

I prefer to think of it as factual, which is why nobody can argue against any of those statements as the evidence is all in the public domain and courts.

Nice guys do win. Obama won for 8 years.

Posted by: vidcapper 4th February 2019, 02:59 PM

He will be remembered as the first black POTUS, but for what else?

Posted by: Common Sense 4th February 2019, 04:32 PM

Yes he didn't do as much in eight years as Donald's done in two years.

Posted by: Iz~ 4th February 2019, 05:06 PM

Didn't have the longest ever US governmental shutdown due to a fixation on a pipe dream project, no. Well, I suppose that particular comparison, length of shutdown aside, is based on whether you prefer a decent step towards properly socialised healthcare or a regressive, xenophobic, laughable and impractical wall building project.

Obama was an orator. A man of class, a man who, hamstrung by his Congress, Trump is finding out how that works now, did the best to make sure the American people were represented by a man they could be proud of, and left the country in a much better state than when he found it. He will be remembered for the successful mission to capture Bin Laden, for the Affordable Care Act, for pulling America out of the financial crisis, for a robust and powerful foreign policy. Now that is one area where Trump has been utterly horrendous. Withdrawing from so many agreements on a whim, the travel ban, everything about Israel. Just because he has visibly done a lot (again, because he had the House support which is so important) doesn't mean it's good at all - ideally, politicians should NOT be making the news headlines - and I think his foreign policy bullishness will really harm America in the long run.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 4th February 2019, 05:08 PM

he introduced universal healthcare available to poor people without being financially ruined, reduced the eye-watering debt left by Bush and boosted the ailing economy following the banking disaster that Bush oversaw, got rid of Bin Laden, pulled troops out of Iraq, and everything else he tried to achieve was blocked by the Republicans at every turn. His subsequent ack of achievement is down to them hating a black President almost as much as they hated the idea of a women President. They've had power for 2 years and what have they achieved? Not a thing. Any economy improvement is trickle-through from Obama not from anything Trump has done, it takes years to follow-through on policies. Trumnp has tried to destroy Obamacare, hit the poor, sent jobs oversees after promising he wouldn't, destroyed farming jobs with his mad foreign economics, imprisoned children, lost thousands of kids, no-one knows where they are now, didn't build a wall paid by Mexico, gave massive tax cuts to the super-rich, cut health programmes, halted efforts to tackle global warming, gave jobs to crooks, gave away government secrets to Russians, nearly started a war with North korea, started an arms race with Russia which will put the billions of dollars owed the Chinese right now look like peanuts, and the trillions of debt in the US economy in the shade, and damage the economies of the rest of the world.

Feel free to live in delusion though cos you just LOVE a strong man in power telling everyone's a loser except him. He's a loser, and so is the rest of the planet because of it.

Feel free to list his achievements though, it's only fair....

Here's mine:

??????

Posted by: mald487 5th February 2019, 08:15 AM

He won't do. He doesn't respond when presented with factual information remember?

Posted by: Common Sense 5th February 2019, 09:16 AM

I hardly think you can call a guy a loser when he has built a business empire totalling as much as a billion dollars. Yes I know he got money to start from his father but he's still made a lot of money and had many successful projects over the decades.

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th February 2019, 10:59 AM

And is one of the few people to have lost money running a casino.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 5th February 2019, 02:01 PM

yes he's had multiple bankrupticies, most rceently his college which took money off people and gave nothing back. Loser.

He is estimated to be worth 3billion dollars, by Forbes, though his tax affairs are of interest to New York State and the US tax payer (if they can ever find out what they are), the banks kept him afloat in the 90's by lending him extra cash when he owed 10billion though his companies and one billion personally. Co-incidentally Trump's father died in 1999 and he inherited more dosh than he originally inherited as a child/young adult from his parents.

If only we all had enormously wealthy parents to finance our stupidity....!

Posted by: Iz~ 19th February 2019, 01:41 PM

Bernie Sanders announces his run. Potentially oldest presidential candidate ever.

(what an interesting way to show off Buzzjack's new functionality)

I guess "feel the bern" is back on. In all seriousness, a good thing, he could actually do well with the nomination based off of name power.

Posted by: blacksquare 19th February 2019, 01:52 PM

Here we go.

I dread his fanbase cannibalising any other potential nominee. It's inevitable.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 19th February 2019, 02:36 PM

I really can’t see Bernie doing as well this time around. His main strength last time was his positioning himself as the only ‘non-establishment’ Democrat willing to take on the establishment candidate ie Hilary. Now that he’s got a profile and large following, as well as a more crowded field of candidates, he’ll have a harder time standing out - in all honesty I won’t be surprised if he is no longer a candidate come December.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 19th February 2019, 08:46 PM

Surely there must be SOMEONE younger that could carry on the social democratic torch...

Posted by: Harve 19th February 2019, 09:50 PM

Not following US politics *too* closely until we're right at election time but, I....I think I want someone else to win?

Posted by: vidcapper 20th February 2019, 06:18 AM

Perhaps they should just draw US Presidents by lot - after all, they could hardly do any worse...

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd February 2019, 03:54 PM

Perhaps the Republicans should nominate Ben Shapiro as Trump's successor...

Posted by: Steve201 23rd February 2019, 04:19 PM

Especially since other left wingers such as Warren are standing this time too!

Posted by: Common Sense 26th February 2019, 11:20 AM

Not a fan of President Trump? Blimey even I didn't think I'd be typing those words just before the 2016 election.

Posted by: vidcapper 26th February 2019, 03:30 PM

BTW, I love those Youtube videos where Ben Shapiro demolishes 'snowflake' arguments with ease...

Posted by: Common Sense 1st March 2019, 08:49 AM

Looks like Biden's going to run. If he gets the nomination, and he's polling up to 10% ahead of the others, I think he could well beat Trump. He'll give him a good run for his money anyway.

Posted by: blacksquare 1st March 2019, 12:05 PM

Ideally, the candidate won't be in their late seventies.

But I suppose that is asking a lot.

Posted by: blacksquare 25th April 2019, 08:53 AM

Did anyone catch any of the CNN Town Halls?

Thoughts?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 25th April 2019, 12:16 PM

No, but I'd support the gay Mayor - even if he was trump level stupid (he's not) it'd be worth it just to see the look on homophobic Pence's face when he wins and Trump finds the enduring popularity of his black American predecessor trumps his, his popular vote was less than a woman, and he got beaten by a gay man. Totally worth it watching his face and excuses and subsequent convictions for corruption in office.

Posted by: Iz~ 25th April 2019, 12:27 PM

Buttigieg is fine, Warren is sounding a lot better. To be honest you’d get the same reaction from Trump/Pence if he’s beaten by anyone who isnt a straight white man.

Just as long as it isn’t Biden, that would absolutely be a step backwards. His candidacy has been announced btw and he’s gone straight in with the big corporate endorsements.

Posted by: Common Sense 25th April 2019, 05:18 PM

I actually think Biden will get the Democratic nomination. Whether he can beat Trump is another matter. Could be close.

Posted by: danG 29th April 2019, 04:32 PM

Sadly I think it's quite likely Trump would beat Biden if he had the nomination so I hope that doesn't turn out to be the case.

Posted by: blacksquare 29th April 2019, 06:59 PM

In 2019, Biden is essentially what a Republican used to be. No thanks.

So impressed with Warren so far — the only one who seems to have constant policy ideas and a plan for everything. It's refreshing to see a politician actually getting excited about change. Of course, she would be polling much better if she were a man.

Posted by: Bré 29th April 2019, 08:40 PM

I was really really hoping that Biden would end up just deciding not to run especially with the recent resurgence in news about his inappropriate behaviour around women. Sadly I think he's probably going to win the nomination and we'll end up with either Trump winning again or Biden narrowly pulling it out in a race that's far closer than it has any right to be, before being roundly defeated in 2024. Basically Hillary 2.0.

Hoping for Sanders or Warren to pull it out for sanity (or, as Americans put it, "the far left socialist commies") to prevail of course. I guess Pete Buttigieg would at least be better than Biden as well. It's very interesting that a previously fairly obscure mayor is being pushed so hard though.

Posted by: Common Sense 1st May 2019, 06:00 PM

I'm a huge Trump fan but am hoping Biden somehow doesn't get the nomination as I think he has a good chance of beating Trump. I honestly do.

Posted by: Common Sense 5th June 2019, 05:15 PM

New Quinnipiac poll out today, obviously long time to go but doesn't look good for Trump

When asked would they vote to re-elect Trump, 54% said they will definitely vote against him, with only 31% saying they will vote for him

another interesting question about the Dem contenders, people were asked how much attention they were paying to the campaigns

of those that said they were paying alot of attention Biden gets 42% compared to just 8% for Sanders

of those that said they were paying little or no attention to the campaigns Sanders gets 28% compared to 23% for Biden

so that suggests problems for Sanders as the campaign ramps up if he is doing so badly with people that are following the news

Posted by: mald487 5th June 2019, 09:07 PM

I never would have guessed.

Are you a fan of his plans to get his minature dinosaur hands chunks of our health care system?

Posted by: Common Sense 5th June 2019, 09:17 PM

No that won't happen. The NHS is safe with the Tories.

Posted by: Suedehead2 5th June 2019, 09:43 PM

Ah, this is obviously some strange usage of the word 'safe' that I wasn't previously aware of.

Posted by: mald487 6th June 2019, 02:37 AM

You know, I still can't work out if your a troll, trying ing to wind everybody up or a naive, workshy, gullible racist old fool.

Bit of both eh?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 6th June 2019, 07:02 AM

keep to the opinions on policies and facts, not insults on people. Intolerance solves nothing, it just creates division, hurt, and war and adds fuel to the fires.

Posted by: Iz~ 28th June 2019, 03:00 AM

First set of Democratic debates have concluded. Highlights from what I've caught:

- Warren doing very well in the first half, coming out strongly for Medicare for All

- Jay Inslee naming Donald Trump as the biggest threat to America, getting the biggest cheer of the first night. Other candidates named Russia, China, nuclear weapons and climate change

- Tim Ryan - 'When we left the Taliban alone they started flying planes into their buildings', up against anti-war Tulsi Gabbard, who quickly corrected him.

- Castro performing pretty well for someone who hasn't really been talked about before

~ night 2, in which I actually watched the full second hour~

- Kamala Harris did great in the second debate I think, challenging Biden on race relations, and generally sounding great in ALL her speaking. Has a great plan for gun control she committed to also.

- online people I follow seem very enthused about Yang, I like his UBI idea but he isn't making a huge impact, not given a chance to speak. Neither is Williamson but at least she's trying to butt in and sounds decent for an outsider.

- Bernie is sounding a little aged, he and Biden are both getting calls to pass the torch, though his ideas are still sounding as great as ever, great closing statement in particular. Biden sounds completely uninspiring. Can't wait to see articles trying to make out that he wasn't that bad, he's done awfully.

- Buttigieg is... eh not bad. Doing more than some people but he also sounds up against it.

I guess some might drop out after a couple debates, particularly the 5 of the top 25 that didn't make these debates, there's more here than the Republicans in 2016, then we didn't get anyone drop out until September 2015 but some of the completely anonymous ones may go tonight or after the July debate.

But otherwise, I guess the drama race has really started now. I'm not 100% in favour of any candidate right now, but at the moment it's more like anyone but Biden (and a few of the more right ones like Delaney and Klobuchar).

Posted by: Common Sense 28th June 2019, 10:04 PM

From reading around the Net, mostly US sites, it seems the general consensus is that if it's Biden then he should choose Warren or Harris as his VP pick. I'm personally dreading next November as I think my hero Trump could well be beaten by Biden, especially if he has a younger female VP candidate. Early polling shows Trump really trailing Biden in a head to head. Yes, early days yet and the campaign proper hasn't even begun and Trump will be a formidable opponent and campaigner.The thinking is that they may not want to risk another woman after Hillary lost to Trump.

Posted by: Iz~ 29th June 2019, 10:49 AM

Two schools of thought with Biden, one is yours, where he's already too far out in front to be affected, has the nomination in the bag, and becomes, well, John Kerry. Which doesn't end well for the Democrats. In the 21st century they've lost when they put up an establishment candidate who doesn't reach out and offer anything new. If they don't risk, they lose. They aren't in as nearly a strong position as we'd hope them to be.

But the other one, is that if he's going to lose at all, the way it starts is him getting attacked like he did by Kamala. This doesn't necessarily mean Kamala will be the nominee, but as the most memorable moment from the first debate it shows that there is weakness in Biden's campaign. And Harris has just regained a ton of relevance, putting her right back in the question. Any smart candidate will be attacking Biden in the second debate, they can only gain by doing so as they know the moderators will be focusing on him, knocking his poll numbers down to a more even field. And then, someone, maybe Buttigieg, maybe Warren, maybe Harris, sweeps in as a major contender and ousts him.

Also, there's zero relevance, yet, I think, to the gender question, because Hillary won the popular vote, there's more women than ever running now, and for the most part, they made quite significant impacts in the debates. The amount of voters from 2016 to 2020 who wouldn't countenance a female president has surely gone down, not up, and that certainly wasn't the main thing Hillary was criticised for.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 29th June 2019, 12:05 PM

I think Warren would get my vote if I was an American. She’s got a plan for literally everything, she’s got some exciting progressive policies and I think she really genuinely gives a f***. A Warren/Harris ticket would just be 🙌

Posted by: Popchartfreak 29th June 2019, 01:25 PM

From what Ive seen the majority of the candidates with potential are not the straight white males, with one exception. People need to get fired up to remove Trump, trouble is they are avoiding doing it now in case it boosts his popularity even though he clearly has committed endless impeachable offences, preferring instead battling a corrupt Republican party on a record of corruption headed by the biggest crook in the party (and there's plenty to pick from).

If they don't get the right candidate it could all backfire horribly for not impeaching him when they had the opportunity.

Watch what happens in a few months - permission has been given to make investigations into Trump's goings-ons. He may still end up going before the election.

Posted by: blacksquare 29th June 2019, 01:47 PM

A woman lost once — a loss purely due to the electoral college. No one seems to worry about men running when they lose every four years.

Posted by: blacksquare 29th June 2019, 01:59 PM

I think a problem with Biden that people are underestimating is he doesn't represent change or inspire the people needed to swing an election. I don't think he's actually going to convert Republicans as well as people think.

There are numerous candidates that can truly energise the youth vote, the undecided voters, and so on. Warren is especially impressive in how she has managed her grassroots campaign so far. Slow and steady — meticulous. She's even managing to portray her stereotypically 'socialist' policies as inherently American ideas.

I'm so intrigued to see the debates when the filler candidates have disappeared.

Posted by: Common Sense 29th June 2019, 05:49 PM

Then they'd still most likely have to beat Pence.

Posted by: Klaus 29th June 2019, 06:04 PM

I can’t confess to knowing the full ins and outs but Biden is uttterly the wrong choice. They need to move forward and not have someone so closely involved with the Obama administration, it just gives Trump amunition considering he’s STILL banging on about Obama/Hilary. A part of the problem with Hilary was her close association with the presidency before with being the First Lady and being part of Obama administration.

Posted by: Iz~ 30th June 2019, 04:02 AM

Pence doesn’t have this cult of personality and populist drive that Trump has, he’s really only great for the religious right. Depending on the timing of any potential office removal, he’s the sort of candidate that Biden could beat. More progressive candidates perhaps not, the huge advantage of someone like Warren or Sanders is that they undercut Trump’s rhetoric of being ‘different’ and he might be unsure on how to fight them, while I think Pence has the angle that he can start painting them as dangerous.

Very inaccurate guesswork but I do think populism vs establishment will be huge this cycle and the DNC needs to get on that train.

Posted by: mald487 30th June 2019, 07:52 PM

Posted by: Bré 1st July 2019, 12:03 PM

They're never going to if they're not learning that lesson from 2016 already.

Posted by: Gay Rights 1st July 2019, 05:44 PM

Can't see Trump being removed anyway. No chance.

Posted by: Trump2020 21st August 2019, 08:13 PM

Biden's lead holding up in the polls with Warren in second place and Harries dropping. Sanders has no chance. Can't see beyond Biden for the nomination at present.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd August 2019, 06:05 PM

What polls are you looking at, MNBC's?

Biden and Bernie smash Trump, but Bernie is aheas in all non-biased non-corporate polls. Hillary had a 50% lead on him whoopd. He beat her. Biden's lead is SHAKY and probably non existent. He has 12% core supporters. The don't knows/ maybe Biden fill up the rest. Why? Name recognition. Sanders is SUPPOSEDLY second btw. Harris has collapsed. Warren is only in it to steer the debates towards socialist ideas. Come the first primary, whoever gets lower between her and Bernie, and it'll be her, will drop out. Then Bernie's votes will DOUBLE. Bernie is ahead in the first primary - New Hampshire. Already. He didn't even manage that at first at this point vs Hillary. And he won that nomination!! What happens when he wins? Oh. More name recongition and ... MOMENTUM. Keep your head in the sun and daily mail where it belongs.

Posted by: blacksquare 22nd August 2019, 09:25 PM

I disagree with Warren only in this to steer the debates towards socialist ideas. She's clearly in it to win it. There is momentum for both of them (she's leading him in Iowa), but I think people who were considering Biden are more likely to go towards her than Bernie. She might surprise people.

Also, do you really expect Bernie to dropout if Warren wins the first few primaries? He won't.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd August 2019, 10:22 PM

They absolutely have a pact. The only way to win is NOT share voters. The second, Warren, will be vp. She can then run for president and win easily coming off that. They are teaming up to take on Biden together. Btw, those polls are fake and have always underestimated Bernie due to his strength with independent voters.

Posted by: Trump2020 23rd August 2019, 06:33 AM

Trump has the advantage over all of them as he's the sitting President and the encumbent is usually re-elected. Not always but the last few have been. He'll be very hard to beat. As the Tories here, the Republicans don't relinquish power easily.

Remember, "it's all about the economy" and it's doing just fine.

Posted by: Iz O'Malley 23rd August 2019, 01:01 PM

It’s quite possible given his last week of insanity that his age and senility is actually catching up with him. If that is accurate and it gets worse then perhaps all we’d need is a Democrat appearing to be of sound mind (I.e. not Biden)

However the economy is a sticking point that might be hard to get past

Posted by: TheJüpreme 23rd August 2019, 01:46 PM

Team Warren!

Let's hope Trump's age catches up to him sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Harve 23rd August 2019, 01:50 PM

The vast, vast majority of his 2016 voters cite social and identity-based reasons for electing him, not economics.

Posted by: Iz O'Malley 23rd August 2019, 02:13 PM

However I’m concerned about floating voters, especially if the Democrat has a high cost flagship policy. it’s certainly true his base isn’t concerned about economics but they’re most certainly not above using it as an unquestionable success.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 23rd August 2019, 05:17 PM

Deleted a few comments that went off-topic, didn't add anything to the discussion, or just annoyed the t*** off me. Let's keep the discussion reasonably intelligible.

I'm genuinely team Marianne Williamson, as the banter era dictates that Trump will be defeated by the woman who wants to create a Department of Peace and using psychic energy to beat him.

Posted by: Bré 23rd August 2019, 05:35 PM

I am hoping that one of Warren or Sanders does drop out when it becomes clear which of them is more likely to be 'the' contender to Biden - you'd have to assume that their voters are mostly going to transfer between each other either way and then they'd be able to beat Biden fairly easily, but I'm worried we're going to end up with Biden hanging on and winning because of there being too much vote splitting between the 2 sane candidates.

Posted by: Iz O'Malley 23rd August 2019, 06:48 PM

Somewhat surprisingly, their bases aren't all that similar if we go by https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/12/sanders-warren-voters-2020-1408548, basically Sanders appeals more to the young, lower-income and men, while Warren has older progressives who follow politics more closely in her camp, and women of course. Though to a degree of course they'll be fighting for the same crowd.

Because of that I feel that Bernie has a better chance of winning votes from Trump's base, while Warren has a better chance of keeping older Democratic moderates staying the course. But it's all academic unless Biden suffers a major slip up, I hope that the decision is taken if not by, soon after Iowa & New Hampshire.

Some of the more fringe candidates are starting to drop out, we lost Inslee (shame about the climate I guess), Hickenlooper (run for Senate) and Moulton (did anyone know he was running?). The field is thinning, and I think by the third debate we'll have a reasonably sized lineup. Perhaps with Williamson although I'm still sceptical.

Posted by: Trump2020 23rd August 2019, 08:17 PM

That's what I think will happen. Biden could pick Warren for his VP though and whilst it's basically a non-job, if he just serves one term, depending on his health, she could be the candidate in 2024 and the first woman President. Would no doubt annoy Hillary.

Still can't see past Joe Biden for the Nomination. A few DS posters think he's a bit senile, like Sanders and either would slip up in the debate against Trump.

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd August 2019, 08:40 PM

Yes, because Trump is always so lucid and coherent.

Why would Hillary Clinton be annoyed at Elizabeth Warren becoming president? I'm sure she has accepted that she won't get the job herself, but that doesn't mean she wouldn't want any other woman to get it.

Posted by: Trump2020 23rd August 2019, 08:47 PM

Well she apparently wanted it so badly that it'll be bittersweet if another woman gets it in her lifetime. Anyone would feel the same.

Posted by: Izzy 24th August 2019, 12:15 AM

With all due respect to Hill, her personal feelings, nor anyone else’s, are really not important in the slightest right now. No one is entitled to the presidency.

Anyway, Bernie sounds more lucid and clear with each passing day. It feels like he’s in this race to fight for something and while his advanced age could hurt him, he’s the least likely of the older candidates to have a senior moment.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 12:54 PM

Oh my GOD

IT'S HAPPENING

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458263-national-poll-finds-tight-race-between-biden-sanders-and-warren%3famp

We have a national poll that didn't just use landlines as others do to get Biden leads. Bernie is just 3% shy, well within the margin of error, and as he is massively preferred amongst do not knows and independents... With Warren thay high too, once she drops out and endorses Bernie after his first couple of wins in thr early NE states and her voters LARGELY go to Bernie, it's done. Add the constant momentum he has CONSISTENTLY SHOWN HE HAS, and it's done! Bernie and Corbyn and Warren. What a dream team! The Orange Thing is busy attacking Joe. He doesn't see the threat from Sanders! He already fled from debating Sanders, as a right wing capitalist stands no chance against a socialist. With polls showing people still deeply hate anf distrust the political establishment, Bernie is the clear choice.

Posted by: Trump2020 26th August 2019, 03:36 PM

Do you think Bernie could beat Trump though? I do agree that Trump's concentrating most on Biden as he thinks he'll get the nomination as a lot of people do.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 04:34 PM

Yes? He has consistently destroyed the Great Orange Turd in every single poll - ever. He smashed Hillary in the states rhat flipped to Trump. It's a done deal, even with the righr wing cheating. Did you know Hillary lost the rust belt states by around the same margin as people who were purged of voter rolls? Add that to the fact that they desperately closed polling stations in minority districts and there you have it. The right eing does not believe in democracy.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 04:38 PM

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/458680-lizzo-decries-ageism-in-2020-race-listen-to-what-sanders-has-to?fbclid=IwAR2H2Cb3KwS3zSxx-IkhkiKBzkzO99nESHaPKZ1KlVx8Neyr9b57HuMH_6c

Omg Lizzo has climbed aboard the Bernie train! Listen to your idol, Buzzjack

Posted by: blacksquare 26th August 2019, 04:47 PM

I think one of the only potential nominees that will struggle against Trump is, funnily enough, Joe Biden. People underestimate just how apathetic of a choice he is, how his constant blunders will be used against him in a way Trumps aren't, and how his 'not Trump' platform just isn't quite the slam dunk corporate Democrats think it is.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 04:52 PM

Completely agreed. Trump is obviously senile and off his rocker, but Biden is also in mental decline.

Posted by: Rooney 26th August 2019, 05:17 PM

Surely the big thing with the the 2016 campaign was just how easy it was to win the populist vote for Trump? Hilarly Clinton was an easy target which probably planted a lot of seeds of doubt in people's minds. Biden I suspect would be very simialr, he's liked to the Obama administration and isn't Obama. I doubt he inspires people the way Obama did. I think Trump would have him any day of the week. Bernie would be a bit different.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 05:35 PM

Bernie could flip Kansas and Texas!

Posted by: blacksquare 26th August 2019, 05:43 PM

He doesn't, and he won't.

Sanders and Warren are the two with the massive movements around them. They're both electable. It's just a matter of the media, corporate Democrats, and people in general seeing beyond Biden. Perhaps that will happen when the pack is trimmed to the actual contenders.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 05:51 PM

Remember: Hills still had a 50% lead at this point and she lost the primaries.

Posted by: Harve 26th August 2019, 08:00 PM

KANSAS lmao

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 08:19 PM

Kansas was one of Hills' targets eh

Posted by: Trump2020 26th August 2019, 09:34 PM

new Monmouth poll out today has a virtual 3 way tie, with Biden a point behind Sanders and Warren

Sanders numbers haven't really changed that much over the last 8 months, he has hovered between the high teens and low 20s all the time, this is a bad poll for Biden tho, and shows Warren is gaining momentum

Sanders: 20% (+6)
Warren: 20% (+5)
Biden: 19% (-13)!
Harris: 8% (-)
Booker: 4% (+2)
Buttigieg: 4% (-1)
Yang: 3% (+1)
Castro: 2% (+2)
O’Rourke: 2% (-1)
Williamson: 2% (+1)

Posted by: Trump2020 26th August 2019, 09:35 PM

Yep that's a bad poll for Biden.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 10:31 PM

It's done!

Posted by: Trump2020 26th August 2019, 10:46 PM

No it isn't. What if Sanders drops out and hands the nomination to Warren?

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th August 2019, 11:30 PM

Lol yeah no. This is Sanders' time.

Posted by: mald487 27th August 2019, 10:00 AM

Surely that will be to your advantage Chris as in your words "They won't go for another woman" - Chris, 1832.

All the same, those "women things". Nothing but trouble

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 27th August 2019, 10:27 AM

Warren needs 6o be vp. Why? Well! Bernie has a bigger movement - one that rivals Trump's cult. 2. She will then get even more experience, as apparently Hills needed a bunch more of it according to the right wing nuttos, but Trump with 0 was fine, so that will shut them up. 3. She can then have AOC as her VP! Then AOC will be nicely set up for her run.

Posted by: blacksquare 22nd September 2019, 04:30 PM

Beginning of the end for Biden?

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd September 2019, 05:10 PM

It is. He's finished. Bernie will win.

Posted by: Common Sense 22nd September 2019, 06:28 PM

Maybe the nomination but lose the election to President Trump.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd September 2019, 06:43 PM

Bernie outstrips Donald f***in Trump across nearly all metrics. He would have SMASHED him last time if the nomination hadn't been stolen. He's f***ing polling higher in f***ing KANSAS SOUTH CAROLINA AND TEXAS. Get your head out of that rich prick's ass. Name ONE WAY in which f***in Trump and Bojo have benefited YOU?! There has neeever eeeeever eeeeeever been a poll in which Bernie DOESN'T shit all over Bozo the Trump and this has been the case since the beginning. Sorry. Mwaa.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd September 2019, 06:46 PM

You'll be lucky if that corrupt senile dotard even makes it to 2020 without being kicked out for being mentally unfit. Sorry. He literally brags about it being impossible to try him for his crimes when he's president. Kick him out and send the dotard to jail! Orange has always been Trump's colour!

Posted by: Common Sense 22nd September 2019, 09:06 PM

STOP SWEARING.

Posted by: Common Sense 22nd September 2019, 09:07 PM

Trump will stand and will be re-elected. FOUR MORE YEARS.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd September 2019, 09:07 PM

Which word are you objecting to? Trump?

Posted by: Common Sense 22nd September 2019, 09:08 PM

No, the expletives.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd September 2019, 09:12 PM

That would be Trump, then.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd September 2019, 10:39 PM

WHAT HAS THAT DOTARD EEEVER DONE FOR YOU?!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 22nd September 2019, 10:49 PM

Offendes by swearing and not by corruption, plutocracy, partisan judges, and the worst ever president in the white house f*** sake!

Posted by: Izzy 23rd September 2019, 01:28 AM

Surely the poll is pointing towards the right candidate being Warren? Fair enough Sanders is one of the only candidates that takes some demographics from Trump, but he also has quite a high percentage of unfavourables.

Warren has low unfavourables, would be a good unity candidate, and I say that as despite running on nearly the same platform as Bernie I don't think she's seen to be anywhere near as ranting. She'd be the one to subtly push back the window without the moderates even realising it.

Of course, the Trump machine has been building their case against Biden so the only thing for certain is that he must not be the candidate. All they've got against Warren is "Pocahontas" and I don't think birth ancestry details are quite the gotcha that the American far-right thinks it is.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd September 2019, 05:19 AM

Might be worth it, just to see the look on Liberal/SJW/Antifa etc faces...

Seriously though, the Left seriously underestimated Middle America in 2016, and they appear not to have learned their lessons since then, either...

Posted by: Izzy 23rd September 2019, 06:40 AM

"I would really like to see antifascists humiliated and to not achieve their goals"

Come on now.

Sanders and Warren are making policies that would be popular with the majority of America if the messaging gets through. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, maybe the DNC will f*** it up and they won't be candidates. But I think if either is, then Trump's reelection would not be certain.

Posted by: Common Sense 23rd September 2019, 07:02 AM

Yes I think it may just me Warren.

Posted by: Common Sense 23rd September 2019, 07:04 AM

I don't think it's certain at all and am really worried for him because the US needs him for four more years. He's not a warmongerer, seems level-headed and the economy's doing well now. Fingers crossed.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd September 2019, 07:49 AM

I assume you deliberately ignored the clear indications that I wasn't being entirely serious?

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd September 2019, 07:53 AM

I doubt many of the 'progressives' here will agree with you, though...

But in my experience, voters will forgive/ignore a *lot*, as long as the economy is doing well.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd September 2019, 09:42 AM

"Seems level-headed".

I don't know what kind of warped alternate reality you exist in.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 10:02 AM

Warren is by far the weaker candidate. She falls into thr margin fo error v Trump and he will drum up ridiculous amounts of hate and no of memes with Pocahontas etc.

Also trump's economy is pn the verge of major recession. It is Obama's eocnomy that it takes a true idiot to do that to. The economy is doing well only for the rich ... not for the rest ... thanks to his tax cuts for his rich pals.

Posted by: Izzy 23rd September 2019, 10:33 AM

It's not got quite the same ring as "Crooked Hillary". And that is important, it wasn't just the constant attacks, but that it painted her as a corrupt pawn of 'the establishment'. He'll look like a blustering fool if that's his only tactic. Not that it's stopped him so far but have you seen her in action? She's inspiring, the sort of candidate that can coax people into voting for her, and as much as Sanders has exceeded my expectations so far, I think he's slightly behind her.

Trump IS a warmonger, deep in the pocket of Saudi Arabia, and he's only just getting lucky with a good economy. If there's a crash or he starts an unpopular war that he thinks America will love (and yes, there is a possibility of him doing this with the recent troop deployments to Saudi Arabia, not an official 'America is at war with Iran' statement but sending troops for 'aid'), then all his base's rhetoric won't end up meaning a thing.

He'd obviously love to be at war and I think if it were only up to him America would already be so, but I reckon advisors and Chiefs of Staff know that such a war involving the Saudis would go down horribly with their reputation with international organisations so have been holding him back.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 10:55 AM

Are you f***ing for real?! Your posts are just getting more and more desperate, reflecting how desperate the right wing is getting.

Trump screamed and wailed pre-2012, thinking Obama was going to declare war on Iran to get reelected lol. The righr wing often panic over stuff like this as it is what THEY WOULD DO, and so they assume the left will do it too. Trump will be desperate for a war v Iran, or anyone else for thay matter, for reelection.

Warren is far more corporate bought than Sanders. That's why she is palatable to the Dem establishment. Of course, she is the second choice after Sanders, but Sanders is the far steonger candidate. He can win TEXAS!

He will use Pocahontas effectively, using it as to why she can't be trusted. The liberal Sanders supporters have also shown countless examples of how she is bought and can't be trusted. He will weaponise those by bringing them to the mainstream. She cannot beat Trump, just like Hillary couldn't, due to these pre'existing weak points. Same goes for Biden, but not AS much, as he appeals to similar demographics as Trump.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 23rd September 2019, 12:34 PM

Does anyone seriously think someone as unhealthy and unpopular as Trump is going to make it into his 80s? You can't buy health no matter how wealthy - or definitely-not-bankrupt... - you are.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 12:37 PM

MAAASSSSIVE CORRUPTION!!

After benefitting from Russia AND EXPECTING TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR COLLUSION, see the Mueller report, Trump bargained with UKRAINE next. He demanded they investigate Biden in exchange for funding.

THIS IS WATERGATE BIG, COMMON SENSE.

Common sense, vidcapper and Trumpeteers will try and play it down and just ignore it. The age of ignorance, right wing corruption and plutocrats being above the law and accountability.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd September 2019, 03:10 PM

Robert Mugabe proves that statement wrong...

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 03:27 PM

Any comment on the massive scandal or why you said you want anti-fascists to lose?? No? Okay.

Posted by: blacksquare 23rd September 2019, 03:53 PM

Sanders would be my ideal choice but I disagree with Warren unable to beat Trump. I think you're underestimating her momentum and how much genuine excitement there is for her and her campaign. She's offering a vision not too dissimilar to Bernie but perhaps in a more palatable way. They're both inspiring candidates with movements around them — ideal to combat apathy and win votes.

Trump and Pocahontas doesn't have as much bite as you think — Hillary had far more skeletons to exploit. As does Biden.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 04:01 PM

But Trump is terrified of Biden for a reason. He was even colluding eith a foreign power with him. Well, he did thay vs Hillary, so it is his m.o now. He got away with it once after all...

Imagine how unstoppable she would be with 4 yeaes as Bernie's VP and Bernie is the best csndidate to defeat Trump. She would have more of a Bernie paltform then too. It is a long term strategy. But I would looove her to be the first female president. She's bettee than Hillary, don't get me wrong, but now is Bernie's time. She can be vp and go after for an all but guaranteed win.

Posted by: Common Sense 23rd September 2019, 05:33 PM

Well he hasn't charged in and nuked Iran has he?

Posted by: Common Sense 23rd September 2019, 05:43 PM

How do you know Bernie wouldn't stand for a second term if he was still healthy? He looks half-dead now though so Warren would probably become President as his VP when he dropped dead in office. Biden looks far fitter.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 06:03 PM

And yet Bernie is extremely fit and outpaces even new young senators. Whoops. Sorry

Meanwhile bloated Trump is so unhealthy he had to pay off a doctor to lie and repeat Trump's words furing the campaign. That's bad.

Doubt he would go for 8 years, but he could if hr eanted to. Then that just means 16 years of Dems PLUS AoC's terms.

Posted by: Steve201 23rd September 2019, 07:51 PM

That's because Biden is your typical right wing democrat with his fake tan and whitened teeth with too many warm weather holidays while paying lip service to the poor!!

Posted by: Common Sense 23rd September 2019, 08:29 PM

New CNN/Des Moines Register poll in Iowa just out

Warren 22%
Biden 20%
Sanders 11%
Buttigieg 9%
Harris 6%
Booker 3%
Klobuchar 3%
Gabbard 2%
O’Rourke 2%
Steyer 2%
Yang 2%
Everyone else 1% or less

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 08:32 PM

A CNN poll. CNN. The same that put Hills 40% over Sanders in states she lost to him lol.

The mainstream media there haaates Bbernie as much as the BBTory hates Corbyn. Their polls are bullshit. It is highly likely:

1. Bernie
2. Warren
3. Biden

Across most of the country, including California.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 23rd September 2019, 08:32 PM

And comments on the MASSIVE TRUMP WATERGATE style scandal CS? It's an even wprse scandal than Watergate actually.

Posted by: vidcapper 24th September 2019, 04:39 AM

You blame the *Mail* for blowing things out of all proportion, then do exactly the same thing yourself!

Posted by: Common Sense 24th September 2019, 08:17 AM

I'm sure we all agree that it's going to be Sanders, Biden or Warren. No-one else stands a chance.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 10:13 AM

Wroong. This is a giant scandal bigger than Watergate.

Posted by: Izzy 24th September 2019, 03:33 PM

It is certainly on that same level and pretty verifiable but suddenly it seems as if American lawmakers don't have the same standards for Presidents. Of course the difference was that Nixon actually had some integrity in resigning when the allegations came out, and Senators back then weren't as blindly tribal as the ones today and actually indicated they'd drop support from him. The ones in the present feel like they're fanatically attaching themselves to Trump, for the sake of one last gasp of power.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 04:13 PM

It is the last gasp of power of a dying hard neoliberal right.

This is just as bad as Watergate, if not worse considering the Russian collusion from the last election has emboldened him to try again. It's utterly disgusting. The Repukes, media and blind brainwashed Common Sense-style trolls will try and downplay it. Vile. I guess the standard of president has been forever lowered by electing a giant reality tv star corrupt to the core orange turd as president.

Posted by: Klaus 24th September 2019, 08:06 PM

Reports are saying that the Democrats are to launch an impeachment inquiry! 😬

This is a big day!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 08:11 PM

YES!!!!

Posted by: Common Sense 24th September 2019, 08:30 PM

Trump won't be impeached. He has too many powerful friends.

Posted by: Klaus 24th September 2019, 09:15 PM

So he’s part of the establishment then?

Posted by: Common Sense 24th September 2019, 09:26 PM

Well he may be impeached but it won't get the 2 thirds majority to convict him. That's what CNN say anyway.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th September 2019, 09:28 PM

What a great day this has turned out to be!

Posted by: Botchia 24th September 2019, 09:34 PM

It feels like a turning point in fixing the world today *.*

Posted by: Common Sense 24th September 2019, 09:36 PM

Hold your horses. Impeachment does not mean conviction.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 09:42 PM

So he's above the law??

IMPEACH NOW f*** YES OUT OUT OUT GET THE CRIMINAL OUT!!!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th September 2019, 10:38 PM

Exactly! A beacon of hope that evil is being neutralised.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 11:06 PM

HE IS A CRIMINAL. OUT OUT OUT!!

THIS IS A SCANDAL WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!

ON TOP OF EEEEEVERYTHING ELSE!!!

OUT OUT OUT!!!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 24th September 2019, 11:12 PM

HE IS A CRIMINAL. OUT OUT OUT!!

THIS IS A SCANDAL WORSE THAN WATERGATE!!

ON TOP OF EEEEEVERYTHING ELSE!!!

OUT OUT OUT!!!

Posted by: vidcapper 25th September 2019, 04:36 AM

AQ so excited that he pisses himself...

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 25th September 2019, 09:00 AM

The single most corrupt and worst "president" in history!! The Electoral College was designed to keep authoritarian unsuitable dictator wannabes like him OUT. It failed and is not fit for purpose. The EC delegates voted for him anyway. He cheated to get it, lies all the time, didn't divest businesses, is senile, and corrupt to the core. Get him OUT. He shouldn't have eeever got in in the first place.

Posted by: Common Sense 25th September 2019, 09:27 AM

Can't we send him on a little holiday for his own sake? He gets too excited and his capitals do my head in!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 25th September 2019, 09:51 AM

The worst, most corrupt president in history, far worse than even Tricky Dicky!

Just as people are embarrassed to admit supporting Tricky Dicky now, I can see the same happening with Trump. Common Sense will just say he was just joking and supported Hillary and Bernie all along

Posted by: blacksquare 25th September 2019, 12:24 PM

Biden not leading the Quinnipiac poll for the first time — it'll be interesting to see whether the Trump/Ukraine drama benefits him or not going forward.

Harris has gone from 20% to 3% since July.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 25th September 2019, 01:17 PM

Lets send Trump on a little holiday, I hear Guantanamo is nice in the autumn!

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 25th September 2019, 02:40 PM

Uh oh.

The transcript clearly shows Trump pressuring Ukraine to investigate biden! He is just repeating his 2016 tricks, and thought he got away with it once... This was at the same time as he refused to hand over military aid. Impeachable offence. So so sooo corrupt.

Posted by: Bré 25th September 2019, 08:01 PM

Biden finally not leading in a national poll, huzzah! I really can't imagine his numbers actually recovering so I'm hoping we're past the threat of him actually winning and into the new meta that Warren is the favourite and Bernie could maybe still do it.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 10:55 AM

Impeach Trump!

Posted by: Common Sense 26th September 2019, 01:41 PM

How will that help your beloved Bernie? He's not going to be the nominee. Face it. The US political press are now predicting Warren to snatch it from Biden. She'd still have to face Pence if Trump falls.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 01:43 PM

For once you are right. The media hates Bernie and is now protecting Warren. The polls, just like last time, are massively wrong and biased r.e Bernie. The odd truth shines out, with the odd poll putting him first, but eh. He is going to win California. He is going to win a lot of the NE and all the rust belt states. Warren and Biden will divvy up the others, and that won't be enough to stop him.

Trump is vile and should never have been elected. It is a moral imperative to impeach.

Posted by: Common Sense 26th September 2019, 01:46 PM

Any opinions on Mike Pence then?

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 01:53 PM

Vile religious hypocrite who has no business in the white house. A danger to civil liberties.

Posted by: blacksquare 26th September 2019, 03:35 PM

The whistleblower complaint states that the White House was trying to hide all records of the phonecall on a secret server.

Oh, the irony.

Posted by: blacksquare 26th September 2019, 03:38 PM

"Using power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 U.S. election."

Posted by: Common Sense 26th September 2019, 09:31 PM

Been reading an article in the NY Times which says the Democrats may actually be shooting themselves in the foot by impeaching Trump. He won't be convicted as the Republicans will ensure there won't be a two-thirds majority and he can then claim to be a martyr, a victim, and unfairly treated and this could galvanise his support and assure him a second term. Interesting.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 10:12 PM

God sake. It is a moral imperative and not impeaching would forever FURTHER cheapen the office.

Posted by: Common Sense 26th September 2019, 10:14 PM

Maybe but don't be surprised if it leads to a Trump landslide.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 10:15 PM

It won't. Sorry.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 26th September 2019, 10:16 PM

This is worse than Watergate.

Posted by: Common Sense 26th September 2019, 10:35 PM

He won't be convicted as the Republicans will see to that. There are 100 senate seats. 53 are currently Republicans and 47 are Democrat. Two-thirds needed to convict so 66. Say all 47 Democrats voted to convict him they'd need 19 Republicans voting to oust their own President just before the election. Ain't gonna happen.

The Dems will be hoping that impeaching him will make him resign like Nixon did but few people think Trump would resign.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 27th September 2019, 12:07 AM

He isn't above the law. Tricky Dicky just resigned, but he had more honour.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 27th September 2019, 01:49 AM

I quite like Warren. What's the issue with her?

Posted by: Izzy 27th September 2019, 01:58 AM

None if you're left of center, she'd be a dream of a president. The exception is Bernie bros too attached to the idea of their saviour being president.

Nixon's senators, Republicans included, made it clear they'd vote to remove him from office, and that's why he resigned. I don't consider it likely, but if Republican senators see that too much evidence is coming out against Trump, and to continue to support him would be to attach themselves to a criminal failure, they might do the same.

The big difference between Trump and Nixon is that I don't expect Trump to have the honour to leave the office in anything resembling a dignified fashion.

Posted by: Common Sense 27th September 2019, 08:15 AM

I do too and the bookies think she'll be the nominee now. She could well beat Trump.

Posted by: blacksquare 27th September 2019, 09:15 AM

Every politician is worthy of criticism, Warren included, but it's interesting how they are so focused on branding her as this fake corporate centrist Clinton-esque politician who is only being backed by establishment Democrats.

And yet.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 27th September 2019, 10:57 AM

"They won't go for another woman" - Chris 1886.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 27th September 2019, 11:23 AM

Trump wants to execute the whistleblower. He is totally unfit for office and is a dictator wannabe. He needs to resign. Immediately.

Posted by: TheJüpreme 27th September 2019, 12:00 PM

I did a bit of research into the claims that Warren claimed she was Native American in order to get hired - which I've seen represented as fact - and would you look at that...

"In 2012, controversy arose when it was charged that Senator Elizabeth Warren had used a claim of Native American ancestry early in her career to gain hiring preference.[146] Warren denies that she ever claimed to be a minority to secure employment, and a review of her employment history and interviews of her past employers has been unable to find anything that supports the charge.[147]"
( https://bit.ly/2oVIQpD )

Posted by: blacksquare 28th September 2019, 12:33 PM

The impeachment inquiry seems to be ramping up fairly quickly. Russia and Saudi Arabia are now involved in the mess, and public opinion is starting to change in favour of impeachment.

Posted by: blacksquare 28th September 2019, 12:33 PM

I have a feeling that we are about to witness the most ridiculous pivot as Republicans realise they have to turn on Trump to save themselves and the future of the party.

Posted by: Common Sense 28th September 2019, 02:26 PM

This is a very good DS post.


Depending on how far and deep this goes the GOP are going to face a very difficult situation. Sooner or later the party has to think about life after Trump. There's a real danger he could drag the entire party down a deep, dark hole. If it looks like Trump is going to lose 2020 then would voting down impeachment in the Senate be of any point, especially if doing so tarnishes the party and vulnerable Senators who face their own votes in 2020 & 2022?

If the case behind impeachment becomes so damning that ordinarily a guilty verdict would be a certainty any other outcome will be spun as being utterly partisan. Individual Rep. Senators will start to think carefully about their future over and above the President's and it won't take many to start changing their mind before a trickle becomes a flood.

It's a long shot and there are a lot of people who are going to lie down in front of the juggernaut (some willingly, others not) before it gets to the President but it could happen.

Trump might also come to realise that if he's very likely going to lose in 2020, that criminal charges are likely to swiftly follow, so getting Pence into office sooner rather than later (or at all) so he can get a pardon will be the only way he stays out of jail.

All very speculative of course.

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th September 2019, 03:15 PM

I said a long time ago that the Republicans would dump Trump if they thought he might cost them their seats.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 28th September 2019, 03:16 PM

It's looking really bad for the crook. They tried to hide transcripts of his tslks with Russia and Saudi too on a private server!!! The IRONY.

Posted by: Common Sense 28th September 2019, 07:59 PM

I think that if polls look really bad soon and the impeachment is definitely going to a Senate trial then he may throw the towel in himself early next year.


Wonder how a Pence v Warren contest would pan out. That's if Pence wanted the nomination which I think he would, and got it. There could be a fierce contest if Trump resigned soon enough for primaries to take place. Pence may be tarnished by Trump enough to let Warren in as first female POTUS. I'd love to see a woman get the job in my lifetime. I remember Bella over on Haven, who's just a few years older than me, said no woman would become President within her lifetime and so far she's been correct, as Hillary failed. She said the US isn't ready to vote for a woman yet.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 28th September 2019, 08:10 PM

Although tbf Hillary was cheated out of it by Russia and the fbi and Assange.

Pence will be interesting! He is a hardcore religious nut, a more traditional Repuke and will have the Trump cult. He's probably harder to beat than Trump.

Posted by: Common Sense 28th September 2019, 08:11 PM

Yes for once I agree with you. It is rather ironic.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 28th September 2019, 08:12 PM

The talks were just before the journalist was killed too. This could very well be curtains for the orange one!

Posted by: Common Sense 28th September 2019, 08:20 PM

I'd say he'll be harder to beat too.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 29th September 2019, 10:46 PM

Pence isn’t coming out of this rosy. President Pelosi more likely than President Pence

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 29th September 2019, 10:57 PM

Trump just dropped Pence in it!

The conservatives are trying to paint him as the innocent party now!

Posted by: blacksquare 1st October 2019, 02:57 PM

It's interesting how Facebook and Zuckerberg only ever attempt to appease right-wing and conservative criticism.

Posted by: blacksquare 2nd October 2019, 02:14 PM

Very impressive Q3 fundraising for Bernie




Biden more disappointing to Democrats than John Delaney? Not great for a frontrunner.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 2nd October 2019, 02:31 PM

Biden is a false front runner. This is all the same fakery that promised Hills 22% leads in states she lost to Sanders or JUST won. Landline calls from unknown numbers lol.

Posted by: Common Sense 2nd October 2019, 04:30 PM

I think the Nomination is Warren's to lose now. She'll give the Donald a good run for his money too.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 2nd October 2019, 05:48 PM

Bernie will win.

Posted by: Common Sense 2nd October 2019, 09:57 PM

Bernie Sanders in hospital having surgery for a blocked artery. Let's wish him a speedy recovery but this will seriously reduce his chances of winning even if he stays in the race.

He should withdraw and endorse Warren now.

This is what a DS poster says and I agree with them.

"He really needs to step aside.
during one of the debates you could see he was having issues.
78 and with problems like this, Democrats need to wake up this wont be a normal election when facing Trump."

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 2nd October 2019, 09:59 PM

Wrong. It is a procedure the Bushes and Clinton had in their 60s. Eh. It's nuttin.

Posted by: Common Sense 2nd October 2019, 10:00 PM

Tell that to the voters and Trump who'll no doubt use it. If he's the nominee then he needs to choose his VP candidate carefully.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 2nd October 2019, 10:05 PM

He'll choose Warren. We have known this since 2016.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 09:09 AM

Current odds with UK bookies.

Democratic Nominee 2020.

Warren - evens
Biden 4/1
Sanders 16/1.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 09:10 AM

What does evens mean?

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 09:12 AM

She's the favourite. The likeliest they think.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 3rd October 2019, 09:17 AM

The Annoying Orange is having a full-blown meltdown on Twitter during this whole impeachment thing, it's an enjoyable watch. He's well and truly cracking up!

Example:

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 09:18 AM

LMAO. He is funny when he gets going on Twitter.


I see Hillary's been tweeting too, called Donald "a fake human tornado"

Also "of course I'm interested in the 2020 election as I want Trump to be a one-term President or less"

She's just bitter that he beat her fairly and squarely.

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 09:25 AM

Can you imagine if Obama had tweeted this? I suppose you could say that about most things, but it really is ridiculous.



He's falling apart and looks insane.

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 09:26 AM

We both know there was nothing fair and square about the 2016 election.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 09:34 AM

Well, he didn't. She got 3 mill more votes. He needed dirt, Russia, wikileaks AND the fbi to beat her. That's not fair and square.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 09:38 AM

I am CRINGING!!

Posted by: Oliver 3rd October 2019, 12:31 PM

Evens means you need to put the same amount of money on a bet to get it back. For instance, 4/1 means you’ll get £4 back for every £1 you bet, however evens means you’ll only get £1 back for every £1 you bet.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 12:43 PM

Whispers "electoral college is how they're elected and not number of votes!!"

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 02:01 PM

And yet for a major constitutional change aka Brexshit, which would need 2/3 state approval, you thibk it's enough if Englanf with thr larger population decides everythinf. Huh.

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 03:01 PM

So Trump this morning is encouraging foreign leaders to investigate Biden during an impeachment inquiry about whether or not he encouraged foreign leaders to investigate Biden

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 03:56 PM

This might be curtains for the annoying orange!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 3rd October 2019, 04:14 PM

Omg, don't threaten me with a good time!

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 04:17 PM

It’s very if I do it in public then I’ll get away with it.

Posted by: Envoirment 3rd October 2019, 04:45 PM

I can't (well I can) believe what's happening right now. His actions have likely increased the speed of the impeachment tenfold. The sooner he's out the better.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 04:54 PM

Let's remind ourselves that Clinton's only crime was lying to the people about a sex act. Bojo Johnson and Trump Lie to us DAILY.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 05:39 PM

I have no doubt that he'll be impeached but won't be found guilty as the Republicans will see to that. Money, power, they won't convict. I'd bet my house on it.

Posted by: Common Sense 3rd October 2019, 05:39 PM

Do you have irrefutable proof of that as it's slanderous?

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 3rd October 2019, 06:49 PM

Yes. I do. They have lied every single day. It is a point of record.

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 10:09 PM

This makes Sanders number even more impressive

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd October 2019, 10:58 PM

Now we know why he mentioned China today.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 4th October 2019, 08:13 AM

Oh lord!!

Posted by: Common Sense 4th October 2019, 08:20 AM

ALL FAKE NEWS.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 4th October 2019, 08:22 AM

This is all factual. Impeach.

Posted by: blacksquare 4th October 2019, 08:28 AM

So fake he admitted it just yesterday.



It's all coming together.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 4th October 2019, 08:31 AM

Hopefully impeachment means they can impeach his woeful right wing supreme court picks.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 4th October 2019, 08:36 AM

That Kavanaugh ever got admitted was a disgrace but I doubt we'd be so blessed.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 4th October 2019, 08:40 AM

They blocked Obama's constitutional pick, gave us a partisan judge, and then rubbed it in with Kavenaugh, the worst one of ALL TIME. He needs to be impeached as well. Both do, in fact, with Obama's choice promoted into the court instead to finally return to real rule of law.

Posted by: Common Sense 5th October 2019, 03:39 PM

Both Sanders and Biden are too old and a health liability and both should step down now and throw all their weight behind getting Warren elected to be the first POTUS. I'd actually love to see a woman President in my lifetime.

Trump won't be easy to beat, far from it, but it's possible if the Dems get all their voters out and can convert swing voters too.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 5th October 2019, 03:41 PM

Biden's like 1 year older or 1 year younger than Trump?? And Bernie's not much older than Trumo? Trump is old and obese and eats extremely unhealthily.

Posted by: Common Sense 5th October 2019, 03:44 PM

Yes but as someone on DS points out, as the encumbent, Trump doesn't have to campaign through any primaries like the Democrats do. So much less tiring campaigning and travelling for him this time.

Posted by: Common Sense 5th October 2019, 05:04 PM

Bernie's Dr's confirm that he had a heart attack. He needs to withdraw and say that he endorses Warren. Statistics show that the average time left to live at his age after a heart attack is 3-4 years.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 5th October 2019, 05:28 PM

He's rich and full of life and energy. He'll be fine.

Posted by: Common Sense 5th October 2019, 08:07 PM

Here's Trump's latest Tweet. He's getting angry.

"I’m hearing that the Great People of Utah are considering their vote for their Pompous Senator, Mitt Romney, to be a big mistake. I agree! He is a fool who is playing right into the hands of the Do Nothing Democrats! #IMPEACHMITTROMNEY

Not only are the Do Nothing Democrats interfering in the 2020 Election, but they are continuing to interfere in the 2016 Election. They must be stopped!

So Crooked Hillary Clinton can delete and acid wash 33,000 emails AFTER getting a Subpoena from the United States Congress, but I can’t make one totally appropriate telephone call to the President of Ukraine? Witch Hunt!"

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 5th October 2019, 08:12 PM

Angry? The manchild is off his f***in meds. Needs sedating

Posted by: Common Sense 5th October 2019, 08:13 PM

Rumours that White House staff think he's off his rocker but daren't move against him.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 6th October 2019, 02:12 AM

You just have to look at his Twitter to see that he knows the walls are closing in on him, and there is FUCK ALL he can do about it.

I'm enjoying this.

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 08:56 AM

It's very sad. Let him get beaten fairly in the next election rather than impeaching him. There's only just over another year now.

Posted by: T Boy 6th October 2019, 09:03 AM

I thought you said he wouldn’t be beaten?

I find it amazing you can feel sorry for people actively doing illegal things but don’t show any compassion towards people who genuinely are suffering.

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 09:13 AM

Well I'm hoping he wins a second term but am realistic in knowing that it will be difficult. Biden or Warren could easily motivate their support and beat him. Only takes a couple of states that were red last time to go Democrat and he's out.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 6th October 2019, 09:50 AM

Nope. He is a disgrace to the office and there are multiple impeachable offences. It is time to impeach, or the office is cheapened forever by precedent.

Also all he did was tax giveaways to the rich. That's it. How the f*** has that helped you enough to want a second term?

Posted by: Tones and Iz 6th October 2019, 10:01 AM

The Romney thing, senators can't be impeached and it's very obvious this is Trump's latest tactic of distraction, make impeach sound like a normal 'this person did something bad' word. Also because Romney might be one of the first senators to jump ship, his base, being Utah Mormons, is one of the few instances in the country where his Republican base isn't necessarily Trump's Republican base.

Trump has committed multiple impeachable offences. He's worse than any other president in this regard. He must be made an example of and if senators will vote to remove him, all the better. It does look like the net is closing in.

By the by, this is my favourite https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/trump-shouted-youre-making-me-look-like-a-f-idiot-at-white-house-staff-report-claims/ar-AAI9yFe, revealing some of the things he's said to White House staffers in the past. Plus an amazing headline.

Kirstjen Nielsen of course, being the then Secretary of Homeland Security.

Posted by: blacksquare 6th October 2019, 12:27 PM

It's hard not to notice how quiet you have been about Bernie having a heart attack — I remember you being one of the most vocal about Hillary when she had pneumonia. Do you think you would have the same response if any other candidate had a heart attack during their campaign?

It's interesting to see the response to his heart-attack — supportive, as it should be — vs the flack Hillary got for being in the hospital.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 6th October 2019, 01:49 PM

Bernie's heart attack is worrying, I'm glad he feels better, has been mostly supported, and seems ready to run his campaign again, but I think in the long-run this will damage him perhaps irreparably, unless he can get it under control at the next debate. Health issues can really derail a candidate's campaign, I've thought that one thing that may stop Trump would be a health scare and I don't expect Democrats to be any different.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 6th October 2019, 02:00 PM

The state of Utah was an interesting result in the 2016 election, as a 3rd party candidate got more than 20% of the vote - Evan McMullin, a Utah Mormon.

Regarding Bernie, I don't think there's any way he can run a successful primary following a heart attack, even though his persuasion game is among the strongest of the Democratic candidates. He'd make a strong running mate for one of the candidates who can't speak to the same constituencies that he can.

Posted by: Suedehead2 6th October 2019, 04:25 PM

So now he's accusing US politicians of interfering in a US election? The man-child is completely off his trolley.

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 07:50 PM

Yes but both Warren and Biden are 70 or over aren't they so they won't pick a VP who's likely to die of a massive heart attack soon. They'll go for someone a generation younger surely.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 6th October 2019, 07:56 PM

Trump is morbidly obese and just a couple years younger. He eats nothing but takeaways and drinks nothing but coke. People on glass horses...

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 6th October 2019, 07:56 PM

I have faith in the greatest socialist in the world right now.

Also, she collapsed on camera weeks before the election after claims of neurological problems and being caught on camera struggling on stage and going up and down stairs. This was all weeks before the election. Bernie's wasn't on camera, he was back on video a few days later, showed he was heslthy all the time with a FULL TIME, mot part time like Hills' 2 dates a week, campaign, and was not even during rhe primaries, but well before. There's a world of difference.

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 09:41 PM

Actually the saying is "people in glass houses..... shouldn't throw stones"

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 10:12 PM

More whistleblowers are coming forward now and the odds are shortening on Trump resigning and handing over to Pence rather than face impeachment and a chance of being convicted. He'd no doubt then pardon him from any wrong-doing. Latest polling looking bad for him too with Biden, Warren and Sanders all leading him significantly. Can't make good reading for him. Looking like a one-term President or even less, as Hillary put it the other day.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49953225

Posted by: Harve 6th October 2019, 10:30 PM

Why do you want to see him re-elected? What great things is he going to do/doing currently?

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 10:37 PM

The economy is doing okay. Not booming yet but doing alright. Unemployment is down as he says. I believe the building of the wall has started too.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 6th October 2019, 10:40 PM

Employment is down as PEOPLE HAVE TO WORK 2 OR 3 JOBS
IT IS ONLY WORKING FOR THE RICH. NOT FOR YOU!!!

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2019, 11:15 PM

We're talking about the US and not here.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 7th October 2019, 12:36 AM

Yes, it's worse over there. If there was a reason to shun America, their awful work culture and the lack of worker's rights they have is one very good reason. That's WHY they need a president who's more towards the left like Sanders or Warren, Trump favours putting power in the hands of corporations and billionaires far more than any Democrat would, oil barons etc.

Posted by: blacksquare 7th October 2019, 09:23 AM

Is he hoping this will distract from the impeachment inquiry? Appearing to be pulling out of war? He's just giving Turkey free rein to invade and kill the Kurds. American allies. Vile.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 7th October 2019, 09:27 AM

K. Tnx for beating Isis for us. You're no longer useful. Gonna let Turkey have its way wit u lol k bye

Posted by: blacksquare 7th October 2019, 10:58 AM

Exactly.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 7th October 2019, 12:25 PM

Absolutely awful. Foreign policy is a mere transaction for this administration, working for those who bring you a profit, abandoning those who don't.

Posted by: Common Sense 7th October 2019, 01:42 PM

America can't win it seems. They're criiticised for going in to foreign countries ie Iraq but when they withdraw and pull away from a conflict they still get vilified.

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th October 2019, 02:03 PM

If you barge in to a country, you then take on some obligation to leave it in a better state than before. You also have a moral obligation to ensure that you only leave when it is safe to do so and that you don't leave it at the mercy of a hostile country. Sadly, Trump is completely lacking in anything remotely resembling morals.

Posted by: blacksquare 7th October 2019, 02:20 PM

America muscled themselves into the situation so to now just withdraw without notice and without enforcing any safeguards is just unbelievably irresponsible. They're abandoning their allies — allies who have been risking their lives for the US. This is a win for extremists and authoritarians with implications that go beyond the Middle East — more displacement, more refugees in Europe. I'm sure you care about that.

Posted by: blacksquare 7th October 2019, 02:37 PM

This should be highly alarming to any American allies. What is going to be the actual price of that UK-US trade deal? Trump consistently acts in his personal interest or in the interest of authoritarians.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 7th October 2019, 08:50 PM

The Annoying Orange has just claimed that he has "unmatched wisdom" on Twitter.

Of course by "unmatched wisdom", he means "lowest ever recorded".

Posted by: Doctor Blind 7th October 2019, 08:56 PM

Criminal. If this is how America treats its allies then I'm not sure I would want to be reliant on them for anything right now.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 8th October 2019, 09:15 AM

Reports are in that Turkey has started bombing Kurdish forces already.

Posted by: blacksquare 8th October 2019, 08:21 PM

It’s hard to suggest Warren isn’t the frontrunner now — it’ll be interesting see how the other candidates treat her during the next debate vs when Biden was the obvious frontrunner

Posted by: Common Sense 8th October 2019, 08:26 PM

Where did you hear that? Says fighter jets are being positioned but doesn't seem to have started yet. As Donald would say FAKE NEWS.

Posted by: mald487 8th October 2019, 08:28 PM

GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF HIS BACKSIDE

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 8th October 2019, 08:31 PM

Bernie is ahead in California which is an early state!! Ahead in Colorado and the north east too. The momentum he will get will be massive.

Posted by: Common Sense 8th October 2019, 08:58 PM

Bernie is a fatal heart attack waiting to happen. No way will they risk him as the nominee.

Warren will be the nominee and be beaten by Donald.

Posted by: mald487 8th October 2019, 09:00 PM

So is Tru....oh sorry "Donald."

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 8th October 2019, 10:57 PM

Trump is a walking heart attack and obese and unhealthy. Warren is stronger than Trump in all polls AND Trump is getting impeached. Mwaaa. Sorrrwwwwyyyy

Posted by: blacksquare 9th October 2019, 01:32 PM

Posted by: Tones and Iz 9th October 2019, 01:39 PM

TWO DAYS. Two days of retracting protection was all for the Kurds to be put in grave danger.

It's the impeachment proceedings, he's acting wild, it's going to get worse before it gets better, but the blood of every Kurd that dies will be on Trump's hands for this.

Posted by: blacksquare 9th October 2019, 01:56 PM

I think it'll be difficult for Bernie if Warren continues her upward trajectory. She's about to get frontrunner coverage which will help with people on the fence about her electability. She's leading Iowa and New Hampshire, which would be more great press before California where they're actually fairly close. Still early days though, of course, so anything could happen. President Yang.

I'm also not confident about a Bernie Warren ticket happening. I don't see their VP being white.

Posted by: Common Sense 9th October 2019, 06:12 PM

Joe Biden has today called for President Trump to be impeached and convicted.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 9th October 2019, 06:51 PM

IMPEACH THE CROOK PUSSY GRABBER!!!

Posted by: Common Sense 9th October 2019, 10:55 PM

From The Sun.

Hillary Clinton has boldly claimed she could beat Donald Trump 'again' in an election re-run.

The Former Secretary of State made the comments in reference to a tweet Mr Trump wrote suggesting she join the race.

Mrs. Clinton also said the 45th President was "obsessed" with her as he continues to tweet about her.

She made the comments during an interview with her daughter Chelsea. She said "it truly is remarkable how obsessed he remains with me.

"But this latest tweet is so typical of him. Nothing has been more examined and looked at than my emails. We all know that.

"So he’s either lying or delusional, or both.

“There was no subpoena, as he says in a tweet this morning. So maybe there does need to be a rematch. Obviously, I can beat him again."

Posted by: Common Sense 9th October 2019, 10:56 PM

LMAO. She's deluded and bitter. Beat him again? She didn't beat him last time. Her memory must be going. He'd beat her again. Bring it on I say.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 9th October 2019, 11:00 PM

She beat him the first time with 3 million more votes x If brexshit merrns brexsherrt, then Hillary meand Hillary x Both got more votes yea?

Posted by: Common Sense 9th October 2019, 11:12 PM

You know as well as I do that it's the electoral college that decides the President. Yes she got more votes but she is deluded as you are if you and her think she beat him. I'll Tweet her and say "who's sitting in the Oval Office tomorrow Hillary? NOT YOU!"

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 9th October 2019, 11:17 PM

So if an ELECTION needs a certain number of STATES, then surely a REFERENDUM needs a plurality of NATIONS? Especially for a long term decision? For major constitutional change in the US, 3/4 of he states have to agree. Ho hmmmm.

Posted by: Common Sense 9th October 2019, 11:24 PM

I didn't make the US election rules. They were made many years ago.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 10th October 2019, 09:32 AM

As were the parliamentary ones.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 10th October 2019, 01:08 PM

obligatory electoral college is awful and there is no good justification for it and has been constantly been engineered by Republican lawmakers to favour them in making red state votes worth more on average

Also:

That hashtag is very grim, fair warning. Don't click on it expecting to see anything but tragedy. I think this is the worst direct thing he's ever done, and it's not like there's any shortage of competition for that.

Posted by: Algernon Monqueef 10th October 2019, 01:09 PM

Agreed. It is utterly VILE. And people who support him, vidcapper, common semse etc, should share his shame.

Posted by: vidcapper 10th October 2019, 02:12 PM

Perhaps you could point in which Amendment to the Constitution the Republicans have 'engineered' it?

Posted by: vidcapper 10th October 2019, 02:18 PM

Pedantic mode : I thought he was shameless, so what is it we're supposed to be sharing.

I never said I *support* him, only that I saw him as the lesser of two evils...

Posted by: Tones and Iz 10th October 2019, 02:40 PM

... the lesser of two evils between him and George Bush? The Devil? Kanye West?

There are ways to game the system that don't require amendments to the constitution. In fact it is more that they are currently taking advantage of imbalances in the system like the spineless power-hungry... Gerrymandering congressional districts is a common habit of theirs.

https://www.salon.com/2019/09/18/new-study-trumps-electoral-college-win-was-no-fluke-and-is-likely-to-happen-again/shows that Republicans win the electoral college when 'inversions' of popular vote and electoral college not agreeing happen, 65 percent of the time. This is because the current Republican base is in red states where your vote is worth more. If you are from Wyoming, you have more say in the democracy of America than you do if you are a Californian. A lot more.

The Republicans are under the mistaken impression that if you win, even if the system is broken, then you win. Because winning is all that matters. It isn't. In order for faith to be kept America's democracy, votes must be equal.

Posted by: Suedehead2 10th October 2019, 02:58 PM

It should be remembered that, ahead of the 2000 election, the Republicans were reported ( in the Daily Telegraph) to be preparing to go to court if they won the popular vote but Gore had more votes in the electoral college. In the event, the reverse happened. The Democrats accepted the electoral college anomaly - as they did again in 2016.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 11th October 2019, 06:11 PM

Warren with the best moment of the campaign so far

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 12th October 2019, 12:08 PM

That is hilarious!

Meanwhile Trump was full blown psychotic, slurring and saying outrageous things, at a campaign. Impeach and section.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 13th October 2019, 10:14 AM

Hitting it out of the park. The above and this, Warren is doing so well right now. This especially is very encouraging if it looks to be setting the pattern with which she's going to attack Trump, it's effective at grabbing the attention. She/her campaign team really know what they're doing.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 13th October 2019, 10:49 AM

It’s brilliant. She’s learned the lessons from 2016 and come out swinging

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 13th October 2019, 11:20 AM

She would be a far far far better first female president than right eing Hillary, but ... she is still corporate Bernie lite. Why have RC Cola when you can have the real thing? She needs to be Bernie's vp to get rid of her more right wing policies and corporate donors and then run in 2024 as a second Bernie.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 16th October 2019, 06:02 AM

Fourth debate seems to have had CNN and establishment candidates attacking Warren for... not saying taxes will go up on MfA when she said clearly that overall 'costs will go down'. It's almost like she knows taxes are a magic bad word which will have everyone clutching their pearls the minute she says it despite their necessity to making a better society and people paying less money overall.

But overall encouraging, shows that the front-runner status has passed from Biden to Warren.

Also, AOC and two of the rest of the 'squad', Omar and Tlaib have endorsed Sanders. Very good for ensuring that his positions aren't just one old man and are being endorsed by other, younger faces, in his party, makes his whole thing feel like less of a personality-driven campaign. Because, as above, Sanders supporters who wouldn't be okay with Warren are really weird to me.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 16th October 2019, 09:07 AM

She'd take over as President sooner than 2024 judging by Bernie's health. He won't be the nominee and imagine if he was how many times Trump would mention his heart attack at rallies.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 09:55 AM

He is now healthier than before, you brainwashed oaf He is healthier than McDonald's and pop every meal Trump!!

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 16th October 2019, 09:58 AM

When a man his age has a heart attack there's a very good chance he'll have another within the next three years no matter how healthy he is now. Those are facts. Trump, as far as we know,has never had a heart attack.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:04 AM

As far as we know. He paid his doctor off to repeat Trump's own words. We have no clue. It's just like his taxes.

Bernie as president will have the best medical care around. Bush Senior and Clinton had stints around their 60s.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 16th October 2019, 10:10 AM

He'd need a heart to have one of those, anyway.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 16th October 2019, 10:13 AM

Shows he has a heart to be meeting with the parents of the dead cyclist.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:14 AM

Didn't he just abandon the Kurdish people to be slaughyered due to a hotel transaction with Turkey?

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 16th October 2019, 10:16 AM

America is not the world's policeman. When they interfere in a country they get criticised and when they withdraw they get stick too. They can't win.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:17 AM

OH GOD!!

THEY WENT INTO THE COUNTRY VOLUNTARILY. THEY THEREFORE HAVE OBLIGATIONS. THE KURDISH PEOPLE FOUGHT ISIS FOR THEM. OH MY GOD. Thanks, you fought our war ... but Rrumpie needs his hotel, k, bye.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:21 AM

Let's put it this way. Imagine me coming to protect you from thugs. The return is that you fight another gang out of the neighbourhood. It's going well. The gang is gone, but the thugs are still there. However, I made a secret deal with the thugs for money. The othrr gang my problem, has gone, and I have investments with the other group. Soo I say, k bye, going now. I go and leave your front door wide open as I go.

You'd be fuming at the betrayal.

The difference here is 1000s are being killed. Vile.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 16th October 2019, 10:30 AM

Whatever, I remember the other day when he defended the diplomat's wife and said "it happens"

What that man needs is to be strapped to a rocket destined for the sun, quite frankly.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:32 AM

Uncommon Senseless has a cult-like adoration of authoritarians like Trump and Bojo. He can't be reasoned with.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 16th October 2019, 10:35 AM

I know, I sometimes wonder why I even bother trying.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 16th October 2019, 10:39 AM

No they are not, but actions have consequences and the withdrawal of American support has inadvertently strengthened Russia and Putin in their pursuit of becoming a resurgent dominant global superpower. It has also forced the Kurds to abandon the ISIS prisoners that they were guarding (and had fought) which will IMO inevitably lead to a greater likelihood of terrorist attacks on the west in the next few years.

It was a stupid move, no strategy behind it just knee-jerk reactionary, and aimed entirely at distracting from his upcoming impeachment.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:42 AM

The strategy was protecting his hotel investments in Turkey! It's all just transactions tp this fat cat businessman.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:42 AM

The strategy was protecting his hotel investments in Turkey! It's all just transactions tp this fat cat businessman.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 16th October 2019, 10:43 AM

He needs ro go. Impeach. Fortunately, even Republicans are turning against him over this. He might have just sealed his impeachment with the distraction. Blood on his fat cat hands.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 17th October 2019, 05:23 PM

Would you be happy with President Pence then?

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 17th October 2019, 05:48 PM

Trump is having absolute MELTDOWNS at the minute!! More q
whistleblowers coming forward. He's probably the most corrupt US president EVER, which is something no one can ever take from him, I guess. Syria has made Republicans turn on him. His favourability has plummeted in battleground states. More corrupt than Nixon?

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 17th October 2019, 06:24 PM

Can you answer my question about Pence please?

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 17th October 2019, 06:31 PM

It's not about president Pence or who would rule. It's about protecting the rule of law and the integrity of politics. That's why Trump has to go. It wouldn't matter if the VP were Omon the Emperor from Omion Persion 8. Immaterial.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 19th October 2019, 06:47 AM

Let me just distract you a bit by a Democratic candidate unleashing a twitter thread worthy of Trump!

In other news an investigation on Hillary’s emails has ended, finding no deliberate mishandling. In case you’d forgotten that they’d reopened it.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 19th October 2019, 05:52 PM

Oops Tulsi is done. If she kept it together, she could have been Bernie's vp, but I can guarantee a Bernie Warren ticket now.

Aoc has endorsed our Bernie!

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 19th October 2019, 06:06 PM

Bernie-the-heart-attack-waiting-to-happen ain't getting the nomination.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 19th October 2019, 11:00 PM

Actually quite disappointed in AOC with that endorsement tbh. Like Corbyn he’s too egotistical and self-centred and vindictive to be the answers we need

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 19th October 2019, 11:05 PM

What? Like Corbyn, he is one of the greatest politicians of rhe age. Hindsight is 2020!

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 19th October 2019, 11:12 PM

Corbyn isn’t even the greatest politician in islington

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 19th October 2019, 11:38 PM

He is the most successful opposition leader ever. This is a fact.

Posted by: blacksquare 19th October 2019, 11:54 PM

There would be no AOC without Bernie Sanders. He not only pushed the party to the left but also created a political environment for younger people with similar beliefs and ideas to run. He inspired her and she's returning the favour.

Whether Sanders or Corbyn are good leaders is obviously debatable and subjective, but I do think they deserve credit for re-energising the left and making people stomach the idea of socialist policies again.

Posted by: blacksquare 19th October 2019, 11:59 PM

I'm mostly intrigued to see what these endorsements do to the Warren momentum.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 20th October 2019, 12:02 AM

Posted by: vidcapper 20th October 2019, 08:16 AM

So if Trump had lost, yet got 3m more votes, you'd still have been calling for the abolition of the Electoral College?

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 20th October 2019, 09:38 AM

Yes. Unlike you and the right wing, I'm not a hypocrite x

Trump also called foer the abolition of the ec and the Repukes were ready to go to court in the event they won the popular vote but lost the ec lol x

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 20th October 2019, 03:33 PM

Can't you post in English? Can hardly understand your second sentence.

Posted by: Trick Or Queef! 20th October 2019, 05:12 PM

Bernie is surging, Biden has splashed nearly all his cash already oop, and Bernie is busy holding the biggest rallies in US politics. Go Bernie go!

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd October 2019, 05:02 AM

Trump scratches his head 'he must be impeached'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7597647/Donald-Trump-accused-flipping-bird-female-astronaut-fact-checked-him.html

Posted by: Klaus 22nd October 2019, 06:02 AM

Congrats on another provocative comment 👏🏻

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd October 2019, 06:25 AM

You mean the Daily Mail, or me?

Posted by: Tones and Iz 22nd October 2019, 09:13 AM

No no no, I have something far better.

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/466798-democrats-introduce-swamp-act-to-prevent-trump-properties-from-hosting.

it probably won't pass, but that's the Scrutinizing White House Activities that Make Profits act.

Posted by: Michael Myers 22nd October 2019, 07:51 PM

"Een. Bernie Sanders has regained the number two spot in the 2020 Democratic presidential primary and continues to dominate the field among young voters, according to a national Emerson tracking poll released Tuesday.

The survey showed a tight race at the top of the Democratic primary, with former Vice President Joe Biden polling at 27 percent, Sanders at 25 percent, and Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at 21 percent. The margin of error was 4.7 percentage points."

And given that Bernie is ahead in all the early states for massive momentum, smashes caucuses, and is ahead in California, weelll! Bernie2020. I think we might even see Texas turn blue That's be ironic after Trump flipped the rust belt!

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 22nd October 2019, 08:39 PM

If Bernie is the nominee I hope he chooses his VP candidate very well as he's a heart attack waiting to happen. Several DS posters saying they doubt he can beat Trump though.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 22nd October 2019, 08:43 PM

Good article in The Guardian saying that the nominee can realistically be only one of three, Biden, Sanders or Warren and that the others should now drop out and endorse one of the three.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/oct/20/elizabeth-warren-bernie-sanders-joe-biden-democratic-debate-donald-trump

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 22nd October 2019, 08:58 PM

Here's Jon Cruddle from the New York Post who thinks Sanders will be the nominee but that Trump will get a second term.

Let’s talk about Donald Trump and whether he’ll get to keep his job.

In 2016 I correctly predicted — against very long odds — that Trump would win the presidency because voters were disappointed with the economy. Readers, understandably given the polls in the months leading up to the election, thought I was crazy.

But, it turns out, I was right.

So here are a couple of new predictions as we prepare for the election. Trump will win another four-year term unless the economy makes a sudden U-turn. But time is running out for that to happen.

My next prediction? Bernie Sanders will be the Democratic candidate picked to beat him. I hear you, I’m crazy.

Here’s my thinking: the economy will stay relatively strong so Trump will be hard to beat anyway. And once the full report comes out detailing the shenanigans during the last Presidential election, people will realize that the Sanders’ campaign was as much a target of dirty tricks as Trump’s.

In other words, the Democrats will owe Sanders the candidacy. And since the Democrats will also realize the next election is a lost cause no matter who they put up Sanders will be their sacrificial lamb.

Bernie’s running mate? Well, it won’t be someone the Dems think can win in 2024.

Remember, you heard it here first. And hey, even if I’m wrong, my batting average for the two elections will be better than any of the pundits on TV.

Posted by: blacksquare 23rd October 2019, 12:49 PM

Apparently, people quite enjoyed him taking credit for Warren's work and yelling in her face.

Posted by: Michael Myers 23rd October 2019, 12:52 PM

CNN polls are fake. They always put Hillary up waaay higher than she was v Trump and Bernie. The others have Bernie now comfortably second or in 1st place.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 23rd October 2019, 02:55 PM

Any poll that doesn't favour your candidate is always a fake Michael.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd October 2019, 03:04 PM

That explains his moaning about the Referendum result...

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd October 2019, 03:30 PM

Any criticism of the Annoying Orange is apparently "fake news" too.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd October 2019, 04:10 PM

'Annoying Orange'?

Posted by: Michael Myers 23rd October 2019, 04:53 PM

You may also know him as the Great Orange Turd x

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd October 2019, 05:09 PM

Fat lying orange thing is my preferred term.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 23rd October 2019, 05:11 PM

I left name-calling behind in the primary school playground. Pity you lot didn't. Not meaning to be rude but he's achieved more in life than you lot could ever dream of.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd October 2019, 05:26 PM

If you insist on going down that road, I'm pretty sure some of us have achieved more in our lives than you could ever dream of.

Also not meaning to be rude, of course.

Posted by: Suedehead2 23rd October 2019, 05:36 PM

I agree that I wouldn't dream of being one of the only people ever to manage to run a casino at a loss.

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 23rd October 2019, 05:59 PM

Honestly. Like how thick to you have to be to have a casino chain that goes bankrupt. They’re literally giant cash machines

Posted by: Michael Myers 23rd October 2019, 06:24 PM

Because he was BORN RICH!!!

Posted by: blacksquare 23rd October 2019, 06:31 PM

I can’t believe this is a real post.

Posted by: Michael Myers 23rd October 2019, 06:43 PM

It's a troll post.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 23rd October 2019, 07:04 PM

Years ago a lot of people on DS didn't believe I was even a real poster. Thought maybe it was the mods having a laugh at them all.

Posted by: vidcapper 24th October 2019, 04:48 AM

Says someone who posts the above.

Posted by: Tones and Iz 6th November 2019, 04:28 AM

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/11/5/20949770/kentucky-governor-election-results-andy-beshear

no one suffers the greatest defeat in the history of the world like Trump

In reality, that's a rather small 5,000 vote margin. 709k-704k, and the Republican isn't conceding... yet. Seems the biggest story out of the off-year elections, red state losing gubernatorial control.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 8th November 2019, 12:59 AM

NEWSWEEK

POLITICS
JOE BIDEN LEADS AHEAD OF BERNIE SANDERS AND ELIZABETH WARREN IN LATEST POLL
BY BENJAMIN FEARNOW ON 11/2/19 AT 3:13 PM EDT



Former Vice President Joe Biden leads ahead with twice the support from those likely to vote in a Democratic primary compared to Massachusetts Senator Elizabeth Warren, with Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders pulling in second, the latest October poll shows.

Bucking the trend seen in a wide swath of national polls, the Harvard CAPS/Harris national poll recorded between October 29-31 shows Biden far ahead of Sanders and Warren in the 2020 Democratic primary. The poll, which questioned a national sample of U.S. adult voters about who they are "most likely to vote for in a Democratic primary," found Biden with 33 percent of support compared to Sanders with 18 percent and Warren at 15 percent. Biden, Sanders and Warren have all traded off the top spot in nationwide and state-by-state polls of likely Democratic primary voters in recent weeks.


Among Democrats and Independents combined, Biden still holds a 10 percentage point lead over Sanders, with 25 to the Vermont senator's fifteen. Warren again comes in third with 12 percent of support among the two voter bases.

The trio of front-runner Democratic candidates remains far ahead of all other candidates, with California Senator Kamala Harris trailing in fourth place at just 5 percent. South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg holds 4 percent of support and New Jersey Senator Cory Booker tied Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar with 3 percent apiece.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 8th November 2019, 01:06 AM

Also a poll for the Presidency. NYT/Siena poll of six key battlegrounds needed really to win the EC. Philadelphia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Florida, North Carolina.

Among registered voters, Biden narrowly leads Trump in four of them, Sanders in three, Warren in one.


Biden leads Trump in Arizona by 5%. Warren leads Trump by 4% in Florida and 6% in Michigan.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 8th November 2019, 01:14 AM

From CNBC.

President Donald Trump will win reelection easily in 2020 if the economy holds up, modeling by Moody’s Analytics shows.
“If voters were to vote primarily on the basis of their pocketbooks, the president would steamroll the competition,” the report states.
Three models show Trump getting at least 289 electoral votes and as many as 351, assuming average turnout.
The Moody’s models have been backtested to 1980 and were correct each time — except in 2016, when it indicated Clinton would get a narrow victory.

President Donald Trump looks likely to cruise to reelection next year under three different economic models Moody’s Analytics employed to gauge the 2020 race.

Barring anything unusual happening, the president’s Electoral College victory could easily surpass his 2016 win over Democrat Hillary Clinton, which came by a 304-227 count.

Moody’s based its projections on how consumers feel about their own financial situation, the gains the stock market has achieved during Trump’s tenure and the prospects for unemployment, which has fallen to a 50-year low. Should those variables hold up, the president looks set to get another four-year term.

If the economy a year from now is the same as it is today, or roughly so, then the power of incumbency is strong and Trump’s election odds are very good no matter who is his opponent, particularly if Democrats aren’t enthusiastic and don’t get out to vote,” said Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics and co-author of the paper along with Dan White, the firm’s director of government consulting and fiscal policy research, and Bernard Yaros, an assistant director and economist. “It’s about turnout.”

Three models show Trump getting at least 289 electoral votes, assuming average turnout. His chances decrease with maximum turnout on the Democratic side and increase with minimum turnout expected.

Of the three models, he does best under the “pocketbook” measure of how people feel about their finances. In that scenario, assuming average non incumbent turnout, he gets 351 electoral votes to the generic Democrat’s 187. “Record turnout is vital to a Democratic victory,” the report said."The lower the turnout, the better Trump's chances are. It's as simple as that"

Posted by: vidcapper 8th November 2019, 05:45 AM

Would a system of voters choosing a parties candidates work here? At present it's often just a few out-of-touch local party members who make the choice.

Posted by: Freddie Kruger 8th November 2019, 08:40 AM

I think so but would maybe take too long. Takes months in the US.

Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 8th November 2019, 09:42 AM

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/469237-biden-warren-and-sanders-statistically-tied-in-national-poll

New national poll has a statistical dead heat!! Bloomberg said to be entering for the establishment. That will backfire on them and Biden. He kept threatening it every time that Hillary looked weak too.

Posted by: Suedehead2 8th November 2019, 10:51 AM

Cameron tried it. He said it would bring a different sort of politician into the House, someone with a more independent outlook. He dropped the idea when that happened and Sarah Wollaston was selected as the candidate in Totnes.

Posted by: vidcapper 8th November 2019, 02:47 PM

Yet another reason I favour STV...

Posted by: blacksquare 8th November 2019, 03:02 PM

It's interesting to see Bloomberg enter the race just as other billionaires have — quite literally — cried at the prospect of Elizabeth Warren as president.

Posted by: Big Boobs Vjay! 8th November 2019, 03:15 PM

These billionaires crying over LOEER RATES THAN UNDER FDR are just peak late stage capitalism

Bloomberg said to be entering. This is because the establishment are getting cold feet about Biden's campaign. That will torpedo Biden!!