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Steve201 View member profile	Jan 22 2021, 01:48 PM Post #1241
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 21 2021, 09:11 PM) Well Northern Ireland (which I think is where you live) is STILL in the EU Single Market and is de facto in the EU Customs Union. So you wouldn't. The main impact would be on goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain. Well Ireland as I like to call it Yes that’s what I meant, I haven’t noticed anything different.


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 22 2021, 11:26 PM Post #1242
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	Nissan has said that they are keeping their factories and indeed move battery production for their new electric cars to the Sunderland site due to the brexit deal last month. The rules of origin part of the deal meant that 55% of the car had to be built in the Eu or uk. So they have gone back on their threat from last year. Again proving that brexit doesn’t necessarily mean loss of jobs like a lot of people feared and warned.


p a v View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 12:03 AM Post #1243
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,269 User: 4,397	Car manufacturing is not the only type of business out there. Also it's pretty weird (to say the least) to extrapolate the general trend from a huge company that can definitely handle the short-term losses before stabilising the process (if ever).


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 12:58 AM Post #1244
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	This company was going to leave the uk and all the jobs that comes with that, surely it’s an example of good news or as a remainer can you not admit that fact?


Silas View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 01:55 AM Post #1245
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,069 User: 3,474	There has never been more than rumours that they were leaving, most recently the gossip column of a German trade publication. Nissan's public statements always stated the factory would stay but had warned it may not be viable without a deal. There is no change in public position from them.


p a v View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 03:32 AM Post #1246
thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch Joined: 25 September 2007 Posts: 79,269 User: 4,397	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 03:58 AM) This company was going to leave the uk and all the jobs that comes with that, surely it’s an example of good news or as a remainer can you not admit that fact? I don't have any stakes in this so let's not put me into a category please. This example doesn't prove anything and accepting this won't either. It's not even anything 'good' per se. Imagine a factory not closing being 'good news'. How low can one's standards be? That factory was far more likely to stay open before Brexit than it is now (even considering what Silas said, that it has always been just rumours) so I don't know what you're trying to make me 'admit'. It's as if you guys double down further and further into the Brexit hole each time conveniently forgetting that the bar used to be much higher before all this mess.


Suedehead2 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 09:15 AM Post #1247
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,652 User: 3,272	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 22 2021, 11:26 PM) Nissan has said that they are keeping their factories and indeed move battery production for their new electric cars to the Sunderland site due to the brexit deal last month. The rules of origin part of the deal meant that 55% of the car had to be built in the Eu or uk. So they have gone back on their threat from last year. Again proving that brexit doesn’t necessarily mean loss of jobs like a lot of people feared and warned. No, their threat to leave was specifically tied to No Deal. That didn’t happen. Besides, that doesn’t help all the smaller businesses who are now swamped with red tape.


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM Post #1248
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	Haha the responses prove exactly people’s positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions. This post has been edited by steve201: Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM


T Boy View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 10:35 AM Post #1249
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM) Haha the responses prove exactly people’s positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions. Are you trolling people for reactions? Why are you so invested in the way people react? Just because you claim to be all neutral in this doesn’t necessarily mean you’re on a higher horse.


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 10:38 AM Post #1250
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	Yes, let's laugh at the polarised debate that led to the tragic murder of a female MP. C'mon Steve - you are better than this.


Suedehead2 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 11:30 AM Post #1251
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 13 April 2007 Posts: 36,652 User: 3,272	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM) Haha the responses prove exactly people’s positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions. No, Remainers are simply pointing out simple facts. One company said that they would be likely to leave the UK if No Deal happened. No Deal didn't happen. The company has decided to stay in the UK for now. That isn't news.


Silas View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 11:35 AM Post #1252
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,069 User: 3,474	Exactly. There’s nothing to react to. It’s like saying that remainers are disappointed about the sun rise getting later even tho the days are getting longer. Like this is established fact at this point. Do you really think I should celebrate a multinational deciding not to shut a factory that, before 2016, was heralded as this companies elite facility with a long and prosperous future? Come on. I know the bar is low but can we avoid burying it in the ground eh.


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 01:30 PM Post #1253
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2021, 10:35 AM) Are you trolling people for reactions? Why are you so invested in the way people react? Just because you claim to be all neutral in this doesn’t necessarily mean you’re on a higher horse. I’m not trolling but the reactions prove the point. Why am I on a higher horse? I didn’t vote for brexit but once people did I accepted the result, simple.


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 01:31 PM Post #1254
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 23 2021, 10:38 AM) Yes, let's laugh at the polarised debate that led to the tragic murder of a female MP. C'mon Steve - you are better than this. What on earth has that got to do with anything??


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 01:35 PM Post #1255
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2021, 11:30 AM) No, Remainers are simply pointing out simple facts. One company said that they would be likely to leave the UK if No Deal happened. No Deal didn't happen. The company has decided to stay in the UK for now. That isn't news. It was news as it was reported on the Ch4 news tonight. It’s easy to stand on one side of the debate and point out every small negative change due to a big change in trading relationships one of which was the potential industries like Nissan moving away then when they decide to remain and move more employment opportunities to the area. Then to try and claim there’s no point to make because it plays against the opposite opinions narrative and highlights that the world won’t fall apart due to brexit. I believe there’s many people in my position who didn’t necessarily feel comfortable leaving the Eu and voted to remain but when it happened accepted the majority wanted it and work to move on as best as possible instead of standing shouting in the corner about an arguement which has passed.


T Boy View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 01:58 PM Post #1256
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 01:30 PM) I’m not trolling but the reactions prove the point. Why am I on a higher horse? I didn’t vote for brexit but once people did I accepted the result, simple. You seem to be relishing in the fact that people have strong opinions on this. The ‘reactions’ are actually spoken truths and you’re trying to turn it into something else with your accusations of bias. It’s clear you haven’t even read the responses to your post properly. And as for positions on Brexit, I can only speak for myself but I could never just meekly accept a result that I didn’t believe in. That you can suggests your feelings at the time weren’t particularly strong anyway. I can accept Brexit has happened but I can’t accept it all ends there. Just because you don’t identify as a brexiteer or a remainder doesn’t make your views and opinions more valid. That’s a fence you’re sitting on, not a horse.


Rooney View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 02:14 PM Post #1257
WINTER IS COMING Joined: 7 March 2006 Posts: 45,595 User: 88	For my two cents, I think Steve is right to a point. The inability of us who voted Remain to move on has plagued politics since 2016 and yes, while leaving the EU is totally stupid and not something I voted for, it has happened. We live in a democracy and this was what the slim majority voted for. Our arguments should be with how campaigns were led with flalseless lies and how bots & data were used to manipulate millions of people. In the short-medium term we are not rejoining the EU. We have to try and make the best success of it as it's the only way as a country, we can move forward and all being well, shift the balance of power. The average Joe who decides elections and is not that engaged in politics simply does not care about Brexit anymore. But I also believe that these blocks and hurdles that are coming up e.g. extra tape, import taxes etc. - rather than just saying "I told you so", the spin should be that the Government were ill-prepared for it or told basless lies.


Doctor Blind View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 03:44 PM Post #1258
#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue' Joined: 27 October 2008 Posts: 16,170 User: 7,561	I don't think it's a fence that Steve is sitting on - I think he sympathises a lot with the Brexit opinion - which probably makes the supposed 'unbiased' view slightly, oh I don't know, biased.


Steve201 View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 04:35 PM Post #1259
Shakin Stevens Joined: 29 December 2007 Posts: 46,139 User: 5,138	QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2021, 01:58 PM) You seem to be relishing in the fact that people have strong opinions on this. The ‘reactions’ are actually spoken truths and you’re trying to turn it into something else with your accusations of bias. It’s clear you haven’t even read the responses to your post properly. And as for positions on Brexit, I can only speak for myself but I could never just meekly accept a result that I didn’t believe in. That you can suggests your feelings at the time weren’t particularly strong anyway. I can accept Brexit has happened but I can’t accept it all ends there. Just because you don’t identify as a brexiteer or a remainder doesn’t make your views and opinions more valid. That’s a fence you’re sitting on, not a horse. No I simply saw a report on Ch4 News lastnyt and posted it here as it was relevant to the thread and commented at the two biases playing out that’s all. I identify as a remainer but critical of the EU of the way it’s run. I mean they have referendums such as on the Lisbon treaty in 2008 and have another referendum in Ireland Portugal if they don’t get the answer they want and although I agree with the social charters I am critical of the pro market economic views. When it comes to Ireland I think that the referendum has highlighted the inequalities and anti democratic views that have been hugely highlighted by the process which has made people in NI realise that Westminster doesn’t stand up for them and in reality never has looking throughout the last 200 years of Irish history. So I am not sitting on the fence merely giving my views which although sometimes in here you feel you can’t view without receiving a barrage from most quarters I will continue to do so.


T Boy View member profile	Jan 23 2021, 04:46 PM Post #1260
Radical Pink Troll Joined: 11 March 2006 Posts: 26,599 User: 177	QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 04:35 PM) No I simply saw a report on Ch4 News lastnyt and posted it here as it was relevant to the thread and commented at the two biases playing out that’s all. I identify as a remainer but critical of the EU of the way it’s run. I mean they have referendums such as on the Lisbon treaty in 2008 and have another referendum in Ireland Portugal if they don’t get the answer they want and although I agree with the social charters I am critical of the pro market economic views. When it comes to Ireland I think that the referendum has highlighted the inequalities and anti democratic views that have been hugely highlighted by the process which has made people in NI realise that Westminster doesn’t stand up for them and in reality never has looking throughout the last 200 years of Irish history. So I am not sitting on the fence merely giving my views which although sometimes in here you feel you can’t view without receiving a barrage from most quarters I will continue to do so. Well perhaps you could consider that final point when your ridiculing other posters for ‘bias’.