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post Yesterday, 01:48 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 21 2021, 09:11 PM) *
Well Northern Ireland (which I think is where you live) is STILL in the EU Single Market and is de facto in the EU Customs Union. So you wouldn't. The main impact would be on goods entering Northern Ireland from Great Britain.


Well Ireland as I like to call it tongue.gif

Yes thatís what I meant, I havenít noticed anything different.
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Nissan has said that they are keeping their factories and indeed move battery production for their new electric cars to the Sunderland site due to the brexit deal last month.

The rules of origin part of the deal meant that 55% of the car had to be built in the Eu or uk.

So they have gone back on their threat from last year. Again proving that brexit doesnít necessarily mean loss of jobs like a lot of people feared and warned.
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Car manufacturing is not the only type of business out there. Also it's pretty weird (to say the least) to extrapolate the general trend from a huge company that can definitely handle the short-term losses before stabilising the process (if ever).
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This company was going to leave the uk and all the jobs that comes with that, surely itís an example of good news or as a remainer can you not admit that fact?
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There has never been more than rumours that they were leaving, most recently the gossip column of a German trade publication. Nissan's public statements always stated the factory would stay but had warned it may not be viable without a deal. There is no change in public position from them.
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 03:58 AM) *
This company was going to leave the uk and all the jobs that comes with that, surely itís an example of good news or as a remainer can you not admit that fact?

I don't have any stakes in this so let's not put me into a category please.

This example doesn't prove anything and accepting this won't either. It's not even anything 'good' per se. Imagine a factory not closing being 'good news'. How low can one's standards be? That factory was far more likely to stay open before Brexit than it is now (even considering what Silas said, that it has always been just rumours) so I don't know what you're trying to make me 'admit'. It's as if you guys double down further and further into the Brexit hole each time conveniently forgetting that the bar used to be much higher before all this mess.
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 22 2021, 11:26 PM) *
Nissan has said that they are keeping their factories and indeed move battery production for their new electric cars to the Sunderland site due to the brexit deal last month.

The rules of origin part of the deal meant that 55% of the car had to be built in the Eu or uk.

So they have gone back on their threat from last year. Again proving that brexit doesnít necessarily mean loss of jobs like a lot of people feared and warned.

No, their threat to leave was specifically tied to No Deal. That didnít happen. Besides, that doesnít help all the smaller businesses who are now swamped with red tape.
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Haha the responses prove exactly people’s positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions.

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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM) *
Haha the responses prove exactly peopleís positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions.


Are you trolling people for reactions? Why are you so invested in the way people react? Just because you claim to be all neutral in this doesnít necessarily mean youíre on a higher horse.
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Yes, let's laugh at the polarised debate that led to the tragic murder of a female MP.

C'mon Steve - you are better than this.
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 10:28 AM) *
Haha the responses prove exactly peopleís positions - remainers play down any good news while the Brexiteers play it up, just proving the point of the biased reactions.

No, Remainers are simply pointing out simple facts. One company said that they would be likely to leave the UK if No Deal happened. No Deal didn't happen. The company has decided to stay in the UK for now. That isn't news.
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Exactly. Thereís nothing to react to. Itís like saying that remainers are disappointed about the sun rise getting later even tho the days are getting longer. Like this is established fact at this point. Do you really think I should celebrate a multinational deciding not to shut a factory that, before 2016, was heralded as this companies elite facility with a long and prosperous future? Come on.

I know the bar is low but can we avoid burying it in the ground eh.
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2021, 10:35 AM) *
Are you trolling people for reactions? Why are you so invested in the way people react? Just because you claim to be all neutral in this doesnít necessarily mean youíre on a higher horse.


Iím not trolling but the reactions prove the point.

Why am I on a higher horse? I didnít vote for brexit but once people did I accepted the result, simple.
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Jan 23 2021, 10:38 AM) *
Yes, let's laugh at the polarised debate that led to the tragic murder of a female MP.

C'mon Steve - you are better than this.


What on earth has that got to do with anything??
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2021, 11:30 AM) *
No, Remainers are simply pointing out simple facts. One company said that they would be likely to leave the UK if No Deal happened. No Deal didn't happen. The company has decided to stay in the UK for now. That isn't news.


It was news as it was reported on the Ch4 news tonight.

Itís easy to stand on one side of the debate and point out every small negative change due to a big change in trading relationships one of which was the potential industries like Nissan moving away then when they decide to remain and move more employment opportunities to the area. Then to try and claim thereís no point to make because it plays against the opposite opinions narrative and highlights that the world wonít fall apart due to brexit.

I believe thereís many people in my position who didnít necessarily feel comfortable leaving the Eu and voted to remain but when it happened accepted the majority wanted it and work to move on as best as possible instead of standing shouting in the corner about an arguement which has passed.
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QUOTE(steve201 @ Jan 23 2021, 01:30 PM) *
Iím not trolling but the reactions prove the point.

Why am I on a higher horse? I didnít vote for brexit but once people did I accepted the result, simple.


You seem to be relishing in the fact that people have strong opinions on this. The Ďreactionsí are actually spoken truths and youíre trying to turn it into something else with your accusations of bias. Itís clear you havenít even read the responses to your post properly.

And as for positions on Brexit, I can only speak for myself but I could never just meekly accept a result that I didnít believe in. That you can suggests your feelings at the time werenít particularly strong anyway. I can accept Brexit has happened but I canít accept it all ends there.

Just because you donít identify as a brexiteer or a remainder doesnít make your views and opinions more valid. Thatís a fence youíre sitting on, not a horse.
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For my two cents, I think Steve is right to a point. The inability of us who voted Remain to move on has plagued politics since 2016 and yes, while leaving the EU is totally stupid and not something I voted for, it has happened. We live in a democracy and this was what the slim majority voted for. Our arguments should be with how campaigns were led with flalseless lies and how bots & data were used to manipulate millions of people.

In the short-medium term we are not rejoining the EU. We have to try and make the best success of it as it's the only way as a country, we can move forward and all being well, shift the balance of power. The average Joe who decides elections and is not that engaged in politics simply does not care about Brexit anymore. But I also believe that these blocks and hurdles that are coming up e.g. extra tape, import taxes etc. - rather than just saying "I told you so", the spin should be that the Government were ill-prepared for it or told basless lies.
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I don't think it's a fence that Steve is sitting on - I think he sympathises a lot with the Brexit opinion - which probably makes the supposed 'unbiased' view slightly, oh I don't know, biased.
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QUOTE(T Boy @ Jan 23 2021, 01:58 PM) *
You seem to be relishing in the fact that people have strong opinions on this. The Ďreactionsí are actually spoken truths and youíre trying to turn it into something else with your accusations of bias. Itís clear you havenít even read the responses to your post properly.

And as for positions on Brexit, I can only speak for myself but I could never just meekly accept a result that I didnít believe in. That you can suggests your feelings at the time werenít particularly strong anyway. I can accept Brexit has happened but I canít accept it all ends there.

Just because you donít identify as a brexiteer or a remainder doesnít make your views and opinions more valid. Thatís a fence youíre sitting on, not a horse.



No I simply saw a report on Ch4 News lastnyt and posted it here as it was relevant to the thread and commented at the two biases playing out thatís all.

I identify as a remainer but critical of the EU of the way itís run. I mean they have referendums such as on the Lisbon treaty in 2008 and have another referendum in Ireland Portugal if they donít get the answer they want and although I agree with the social charters I am critical of the pro market economic views. When it comes to Ireland I think that the referendum has highlighted the inequalities and anti democratic views that have been hugely highlighted by the process which has made people in NI realise that Westminster doesnít stand up for them and in reality never has looking throughout the last 200 years of Irish history.

So I am not sitting on the fence merely giving my views which although sometimes in here you feel you canít view without receiving a barrage from most quarters I will continue to do so.

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