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Posted by: Klaus Apr 12 2019, 08:31 PM



December 2019.

every saga comes to an end.

Posted by: Klaus Apr 12 2019, 08:33 PM

Yasss JJ Abrams coming back to erase all The Last Jedi wrongs. Luke really needs to be here though, especially without Carrie </3

Posted by: 365 Apr 12 2019, 08:36 PM

Lando!

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 12 2019, 08:48 PM

With JJ Abrams back at the helm, I'm sure this will be much more of a crowd pleaser which is definitely needed to be fair! I'm not expecting anything revolutionary, but I'm certainly still interested to see it.

Omg that laugh at the end is unmistakenly Palpatine's no? Please *.*.*

Posted by: Rooney Apr 12 2019, 08:49 PM

Is that Palepetine’s laugh at the end? Clearly the marketing is going to be geared towards getting the fans to see it after the disaster of The Last Jedi.

Surely they can’t be trolling us with the title? Rey has got to be a Skywalker?? Or Kylo Ren turns good?

Posted by: Mart!n Apr 12 2019, 09:12 PM

That surely can't be the title for the movie, its horrendous.

Posted by: Nightcrawler Apr 12 2019, 11:06 PM

I've been a Star Wars fan for a long time, but I just can't feel excited about this at all. Force Awakens just felt like a rehash of A New Hope, and Last Jedi was just such a mess.

Palpatine is my most favourite villain of all time, so he's the only thing that's peaking my interest at the moment...

Posted by: T’Seet Apr 13 2019, 08:13 AM

I am so pumped for this now after seeing that trailer! It looks good so far. I quite liked the Last Jedi with only Finn’s pointless side story irking me. I do think Abrams will revert a few things that Rian subverted in his film.

Posted by: Nightcrawler Oct 22 2019, 07:44 AM

Final trailer has been released:




I was so excited after seeing the D23 trailer but I can't help but think this is going to be as much of an incoherent mess as the rest of the trilogy has been sad.gif

Posted by: Wicked Wombat of the West Oct 22 2019, 10:43 AM

'The saga will end' ay? So no more origin films/possibly a new trilogy/whatever else there is to make money out of this, sure...tongue.gif

Trailer looks good, that's undeniably Palpatine's voice there, I just hope he's used well and not axed within minutes! Wonder what's happening to C-3PO... :'(

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 18 2019, 12:56 PM

55% on RT.

i-

Ok. So its now actually 60. ��

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 18 2019, 03:13 PM

Back down to 56% rn.

I'll update after 24 hours lmao.

Posted by: Beautiful Ghosts Dec 18 2019, 03:44 PM

And now back to 55% 😂😂

Oops sad.gif

Posted by: T Boy Dec 19 2019, 10:12 PM

Well, coming from a huge Star Wars fan, I LOVED it. I totally get why the critics might not but it was very good fun and the outcome was very safisfying.

Posted by: Jonjo Dec 20 2019, 02:16 AM

I loved it too! It was very fun and the fan service was perfect (although, very cheesy laugh.gif)

Was it "perfect"? No. You could tell there was no story structure prior to this new trilogy and the end was a complete rip-off of Episide 6. but it was very fun and it's always good just being back in the Star Wars world.

Edit: it's up to 57% on RT but the audience score is at 88% with over 340 scores. Audience and critics are divided with this one again, except it is the other way around compared to The Last Jedi laugh.gif

Posted by: Pogueschartpeak Dec 20 2019, 07:24 PM

Good news: there's lots of nods to the classic Star Wars films and cast, down to the not-spoiler-alert big-beardy-pilot being amongst the first to blow up in a space battle. It wouldnt be Star Wars without that laugh.gif

I saw Ian McDiarmid signing autographs to huge long queues of people in line last summer as London Film & Comic Con. I can neither confirm not deny rumours that he is in the final film of the nonogy (made up word that needs to exist in the modern film biz). I will say he plays one of the greatest villains in movie history in Return Of The Jedi.

Bad news: well, the tragic loss of Carrie Fisher has left a gaping hole in the plot structure of the film. Clearly this was supposed to be her Big Feature, and they've cobbled together segments by having other characters ask questions to allow existing footage to be used, but it's a bit of a mish-mash really and the dramatic Leia scenes that should be there aren't, and it shows. Theyve tried to gloss over it by spreading Carrie about a bit and keeping the pace frantic and overly complex.

I have to admit I didn't guess the big secret of Rey, though the casting list should have given a clue...

8/10 flawed but hey it's Star Wars and I can't mark any film lower than Phantom Menace...


Posted by: Rooney Dec 23 2019, 12:57 AM

I enjoyed it, I love all the Star Wars films, all the films have their flaws if you analyse them. But it was a great popcorn movie, loads of stuff nodding back to the original trilogy and some real fun moments.

My biggest gripe really is Finn was a main character yet they gave him no character arc at all past the first film. Just random subplots that make little sense of what could have been an even better character.

And also I genuinely have no idea if all this was planned from the start but the film seemingly just did try and write so many wrongs of The Last Jedi. I guess they wanted the audience to have the emotional impact of Luke’s death (even though it pissed us all off) when I think teasing Palpetine’s Return would have been so much better and exciting as an ending. Does make me wonder if they changed their mind with regards to the overall story.

Posted by: Chez WreathBow Dec 27 2019, 06:56 PM

So. Much. Fan Service.

I did enjoy it overall as an entertaining popcorn movie, it looked as great as ever and I like that it was a lot more plot focused than The Last Jedi which was a bit too disparate in it's storylines and focused on the main three (though I could've done without all the side characters). But what it didn't do so well was making it all so predictable, like it or not, The Last Jedi took risks and confounded expectations, it didn't work all the time but it did create intrigue and build the plot, there literally wasn't a single twist here I didn't see coming Rey being linked to Palpatine in some way was annoying seeing as I preferred when they initially seemed to write that storyline off, Ren sacrificing himself just as Darth Vader did, all the cameos from dead series regulars, and not a single significant hero died either, which while I totally get it, it would've at least upped the stakes a bit.

Rey & Ren's chemistry was again a real highlight and I particularly loved Rey fighting her darker self, I just wish more could've been done with it, like I kinda wanted her to turn just briefly as it would've at least been something I didn't expect. Poe was a lot less irritating this time, Finn is still getting majorly shafted, we really didn't need yet another pointless double act with a randomer.

I did like it more than I didn't, I just wish they wouldn't have made this such a blatant apology letter for The Last Jedi (or y'know had the same director for all three so there's a consistent vision), as it stands, I think this trilogy will forever be one that didn't fully rise to it's potential.

Posted by: Hadji Jan 10 2020, 09:13 PM

As dvds usually get released on a Monday and Star Wars day is on a Monday this year, it would be fitting for them to release episode IX on 4th May

Posted by: Chez Wombat Jan 10 2020, 09:47 PM

The more I think about this film, the more I dislike it. It was so blatantly pandering in the worst ways, some ridiculous plot changes and has made the whole trilogy look completely messy with so many ideas retconned and thrown around that almost nothing was developed.

This trilogy really suffered from not having a clear vision (apart from y'know making money) unlike the other two trilogies and I don't think it'll hold up all that well. I'm glad they're resting Star Wars as they really need to rethink this (I am admittedly interested in The Mandalorian though).

Posted by: Mart!n Jan 10 2020, 10:34 PM

I'm with Chez Wombat on this, to be honest the last 3 movies did not click with me. I love a good sci-fi trilogy Star Wars franchise was never my thing, but for some reason I've seen all 9 movies, don't know why probably because I wanted to know how the story would unfold over nine films. Nothing really beats the first 3 movies, Revenge of The Jedi is the best Star Wars movie I've seen.


Posted by: Jonjo Jan 11 2020, 02:13 AM

I feel like a lot of people are doing a bit much on this trilogy as a whole tbh. We have to take a few steps back and realise.. how many Star Wars movies are actually any good? Include the spin offs it won't affect the result. The prequel trilogy are still by far the most horrendous of this franchise, so when I see people say that this trilogy is worse than those, I can't help but not take their opinions seriously, personally, and feel that those that DO say that and mean it are living purely off the nostalgia for them, imo.

Posted by: T Boy Jan 11 2020, 09:52 AM

I have enjoyed all of them but it’s been obvious there was no clear vision here and that the new films were all about making money. I go backwards and forwards with this trilogy as I do like the films but I don’t feel they were necessary, Return Of The Jedi was the perfect ending and the story was contained well within 6 films with few to no loose ends.

I do like that the story was extended though and I think they’ve ended the trilogy in the best way that they possibly could. It’s just a shame there was no joined up thinking between each film.

Also, I am a prequels apologist, but they have ALWAYS been given a worse rap than they actually deserve. Some of the CGI is now dated, some of the acting is flat but at the end of the day the story was clear and engaging and they were pushing the boundaries with technology at the time. Not perfect but in my opinion decent films. Yeah, it might be nostalgia for my childhood but that’s just how Star Wars works.

I think some people will have issues with the new trilogy for the reasons highlighted in this thread but just wait 20 years and most people will probably remember them fondly but a very vocal minority will still slate them.

Posted by: Hadji Feb 19 2020, 11:00 PM

The dvd has a release date of 20th April. It would have made sense to release this on 4th May instead seeing as dvds get released on Mondays and 4th May happens to fall on a Monday this year

Posted by: Klaus Aug 16 2020, 06:32 PM

Finally got round to seeing this and, after hearing lots of negativity, it was better than I was expected. Despite all the cliches, I think it’s more like what Star Wars should be. It’s not breaking the wheel but it’s still a lot of fun along the way. It reminded me that one of the main reasons I don’t like The Last Jedi is that they don’t even go anywhere aside from Finn/Rose whose side plot was rendered inessential to the plot. At least this film had lots of new locations and action going on - if perhaps overfilled to compensate for the previous film.

The biggest flaw is definitely the lack of planning across the trilogy - a really bad decision from Disney and it would be good to see in an alternative universe a solid arc for both characters and plot for the three films. By erasing everything The Force Awakens set up, I just think The Last Jedi meant this film could never win. The only real plotline that passed through all three films was Kylo and Rey’s relationship/the theme of being both good and bad. As said, Finn became a non-character despite having loads of potential in being an ex-Stormtrooper. There was some focus back on that but it just felt like it only touched on it?

Carrie’s unfortunate death did have a massive impact on the film as, with Han & Luke passing in the previous films, it meant there wasn’t that proper tie-in required to be the flashy promoted end to the Skywalker saga. The remaining characters from the original trilogy aren’t exactly main storyline characters. They were definitely stuck with what they could do but the dialogue with Leia was incredibly clunky.

So, it was a lot of fun but also a lot of wasted potential. If only they did have that proper planning and structure, I think it could have been a really strong trilogy. Hopefully lessons are learned from the next one which at least should be able to lose any baggage that may have hindered this trilogy?

Posted by: T Boy Aug 16 2020, 07:32 PM

The trilogy has felt so unnecessary. I have enjoyed each film but I don’t think they’ve added anything to the overall story-mainly because of the lack of a coherent plan. The first six films are so nearly tied together and these didn’t really follow them. I’d argue Rogue One and Solo added more to the story.

Posted by: Rooney Sep 3 2020, 04:40 PM

Boyega has come out and slated Disney for his role in the film.

I'm kind of inclined to agree to a point. I don't think they really knew what to do with his character. They went with the female lead and outside of the first movie I don't think they really knew what they wanted to do with Finn. However, the first film set up so many different plots that Rian Johnson just destroyed. But someone at Disney must have had the sign-off on the plot/script, so I guess you can place accountability there.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Sep 3 2020, 06:06 PM

The sad thing was in the original script by Colin Trevorrow, he was given a much more prominent role which made use of his stormtrooper past. I mean I'm sure that script would've had to go through lots of rewrites anyway (Leia plays a prominent role for one), but gosh, it would've been something better than what we got for sure.

I'm really glad he's said this, they had potential for such an interesting character they hadn't done before and he was brilliantly cast and yet they completely shafted him to focus on a story that was pretty much exactly the same as the original trilogy did. But even excusing that, it's pretty unforgivable to make a big deal out of promoting diversity and then doing nothing with it. Like that gay kiss they put in for a nanosecond when the Resistance had won that was purposefully that length so it can be edited out in overseas territories where homosexuality is still censored. It's one of the many reasons I'm completely ambivalent towards them these days.

Posted by: T Boy Sep 3 2020, 07:09 PM

As I said in an earlier post, the whole trilogy has been rendered unnecessary by a lack of planning and an attempt to please a fan base that can’t agree on anything. Finn was promoted as a major character in the first film, was slightly shafted in the second and then pretty much just a soundboard for Rey in the last film. Jon Boyega was worth more than that.

Posted by: Jonjoliday Sep 4 2020, 12:16 AM

The main problem with Rise of Skywalker for me, was that they tried too hard to give "fan service" and rectify everything Rian screwed up with TLJ, as opposed to what they should have done and they should've just continued it from TLJ...

However, a big mistake in the first place was getting 3 different directors to helm a different episode. They should've just had JJ Abrams do all three (or at least a bigger role in the production of the sequels) instead.

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