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 US Billboard 200 - 02/14/2015, Taylor Swift returns to #1 on 101,000 units ... |
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 8th February 2015, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(SKOB @ Feb 8 2015, 02:34 PM)  LOL what are you talking about, of course anyone who charts top ten should be there. I stream 90% of the music I listen to, I don't want things to be that ancient that only traditional sales count. I like the new chart as it makes it interesting, but you can't say an album has sold 500,000 copies when in reality it's only sold 50,000 and 4,500,000 people have bought (for example) Uptown Funk. |
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8th February 2015, 08:40 PM
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But people tend to listen to other tracks from the album too. It's very positive that acts like Tove Lo, Sia and Calvin Harris who without a doubt interest people can get some album success.
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8th February 2015, 08:46 PM
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I think Billboard treat "units" like they treat Hot 100 chart points (because the new chart is essentially a Hot 100 for albums). In Hot 100 recaps, they report the audience impressions and sales/streaming figures, and they may report the total sales figures of a song, but they never report the total chart points it has accumulated. Likewise with the new BB200 chart. I don't think they're trying to fool anyone or themselves that units truly stand for sales.
Also, it's SoundScan's job to compile total sales figures anyway, not Billboard's. Billboard merely reports them. They could start reporting total units if they wanted to, but then they would have to start reporting Hot 100 chart points as well. |
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8th February 2015, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE(britster @ Feb 8 2015, 03:09 PM) Correct. The sale counts twice - hot 100 and billboard 200, but it's the "Top Album Sales" chart that counts towards total sales. Thanks, it really is a ridiculous system, |
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8th February 2015, 11:31 PM
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Billboard is looking a bit Lindsay Lohan, atm.
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9th February 2015, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE(dhwe @ Feb 8 2015, 08:46 PM) I think Billboard treat "units" like they treat Hot 100 chart points (because the new chart is essentially a Hot 100 for albums). In Hot 100 recaps, they report the audience impressions and sales/streaming figures, and they may report the total sales figures of a song, but they never report the total chart points it has accumulated. Likewise with the new BB200 chart. I don't think they're trying to fool anyone or themselves that units truly stand for sales. Couldn't have put it better myself. |
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10th February 2015, 09:14 AM
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But the thing is that sales are not the only thing that matters any more and by NOT reporting any units they make themselves seem a bit, let's say, out of date.
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10th February 2015, 10:22 AM
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QUOTE(SKOB @ Feb 10 2015, 09:14 AM) But the thing is that sales are not the only thing that matters any more and by NOT reporting any units they make themselves seem a bit, let's say, out of date. The point is though that Billboard's system is made up. Billboard decided 10 track downloads equal 1 TEA (track equivalent album) regardless of the number of tracks on an album, and 10 downloads of the same song equal 1 TEA. That's messed up  |
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10th February 2015, 06:40 PM
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Well, an album usually has ten songs or so, I don't get how that's messed up.
But I do agree that the system should be the same everywhere, which it will probably in couple of years. This post has been edited by SKOB: 10th February 2015, 06:44 PM |
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10th February 2015, 06:44 PM
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Because liking Uptown Funk enough to buy it doesn't mean you care at all for Mark Ronson's album, for example. I think it would be silly to count these units in the total album sales, personally, for that exact reason. One hit does not guarantee a big selling album but this chart says otherwise.
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10th February 2015, 06:47 PM
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One hit doesn't guarantee anything in the new system either. An artist must still be very popular to reach top 5 on album chart. Also it doesn't take away any traditional sales. 100k of sales is still better than 75k of sales + 20k of other consumption.
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11th February 2015, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE(britster @ Feb 10 2015, 05:22 AM) The point is though that Billboard's system is made up. Billboard decided 10 track downloads equal 1 TEA (track equivalent album) regardless of the number of tracks on an album, and 10 downloads of the same song equal 1 TEA. That's messed up To be fair, it wasn't exactly Billboard who made up the concept or the ratios: QUOTE This metric, commonly referred to as a "track-equivalent album" or TEA, has actually been a standard revenue measure in the music industry for about a decade — basically, ever since Apple's iTunes brought purchasable downloads to the mass market and turned every track on an album into a de facto single. Since the mid-'00s, a label measuring the success of an album project has used TEA math to boost its sales total. And according to the article, the ratios reflect the amount of track sales and streams it would take to equal the revenue of a full album sale in the industry. |
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11th February 2015, 01:07 AM
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I think if album sales become truly desperate enough (so, in a few years maybe), I can see albums' running success being measured in total units (and SoundScan/Billboard retroactively bumping up the totals of older albums, so heaven preserve us from whatever that Adele total will be). But I think total sales will still be a different metric reserved for traditional sales.
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