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Posted by: 365 25th September 2020, 07:55 AM

With Paloma releasing and a little more information on the Kylie and Little Mix tactics and how their pre-orders are looking, who's taking this one?

Posted by: Jack 25th September 2020, 08:00 AM

I've got a feeling Kylie will just take it, then it'll be close between Little Mix and Paloma.

Posted by: shindymindy 25th September 2020, 08:01 AM

I think Little Mix will get it

The Search will keep them in people's minds every weekend for the next few weeks - basically giving their preorders a boost each week.

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 25th September 2020, 08:03 AM

Gone for Kylie again, though I don't think Paloma will be close to either

Posted by: Bjork 25th September 2020, 08:03 AM

Paloma is out on the 13th

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 25th September 2020, 08:07 AM

It's definitely the 6th according to her store?

Posted by: SmileyKylie 25th September 2020, 08:20 AM

Probably Little Mix but hope Kylie

I have a feeling LM will be ahead by quite a bit on Mondays midweeks and battle over lol

Posted by: Chemistry 25th September 2020, 08:28 AM

Paloma seems to be the most consistant album seller out of the three of them and had her latest record (which was released in November) debut at 1 and selling over 400,000 copies in total. At the same time, Paloma seems more like a long-term seller and doesn't have the big first week sales fanbase like Kylie and LM have.

Posted by: Dobbo 25th September 2020, 08:31 AM

Little Mix still storm it

Posted by: M4NGO 25th September 2020, 08:44 AM

Yeah, basically this. Paloma will debut at #3 but be the biggest seller of the three. I can see it being close between Kylie and Little Mix, if I had to call it I'd go Kylie at this stage.

Posted by: 365 25th September 2020, 09:09 AM

Yeah, false alarm - it seems her official store have the wrong dates. iTunes/Apple/HMV/Amazon all have her down for November 13th.

Posted by: M4NGO 25th September 2020, 09:12 AM

Ha! Well in that case she should comfortably get the number 1 that week. McFly are out on the 13th too but I can't see them selling more than Paloma (as much as I'd love them to get another #1).

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 25th September 2020, 09:20 AM

Interesting to see that with both Paloma and Danny Jones judging on The Voice Kids

Posted by: 365 25th September 2020, 09:54 AM

Yeah Paloma's store changed the date now. This can probably be closed

Posted by: jlj 25th September 2020, 10:52 AM

Paloma might manage a #1 debut on the 13th then!

Had she released on the 6th I don’t think she’d have come close to beating Kylie or Little Mix.

Paloma always sells well long term but she doesn’t usually get high first week sales she’s more overall chart run type seller.

Posted by: jimwatts 25th September 2020, 11:32 AM

So this poll basically is now a reset of the other one well it'll be interesting to see how many people have changed their mind from Kylie to Little Mix anyway!

Posted by: davidas 25th September 2020, 11:34 AM

I still say Kylie, with Little Mix being runners up and Paloma somewhere in the top 5.

Posted by: 365 25th September 2020, 01:05 PM

Somewhere in the top 5 is a bit of an underestimation when they've already done 10k in pre-orders in just one week haha.

Posted by: Bré 25th September 2020, 01:30 PM

Still pretty convinced Kylie is going to win comfortably. x

I have a feeling Paloma is going to start running out of steam a bit this era (I don't see her selling anywhere near 400k overall again but I know she has been consistent up to this point so we'll see I guess!), but she probably is still the favourite to hit #1 on the week of the 13th.

Posted by: Calum 25th September 2020, 05:33 PM

Pretty much this.

Voted Kylie. I don't see it being as close as some Little Mix fans will hope.

Posted by: iain 25th September 2020, 06:00 PM

I honestly don’t think it’s clear cut at all. Little Mix have the advantage of being big physical sellers, on all the major Spotify playlists, blanket radio play across networks and a tv show. Kylie has physicals and Radio 2 and hopefully some tv promo. The odds are really in favour of Little Mix.

Posted by: legendsglory 25th September 2020, 06:30 PM

It really could go either way. I dont think its a 'clear win' for any of them tbh? LM arent a huge streaming force but will get better streams than Kylie and they have their TV show that starts tomorrow and their pre orders are off to a good start.. But then Kylie will probably get good promo slots and her album sales are always quite high. Very exciting 'battle' imo. They both deserve it but i would love LM to get it, it would be cool for Kylie to get it tho.

Posted by: jlj 25th September 2020, 06:32 PM

News outlets are beginning to pick up on the “Kylie will be the first female to get a #1 album in five consecutive decades” so maybe that’ll work in her favour.

Tbh she’ll be the first artist in general do that won’t she not just female.

Posted by: Bré 25th September 2020, 07:04 PM

I don't think it's necessarily a given at all that Little Mix's TV show is going to be that helpful for their new album. It might do if it gets high viewership and people generally like it but even then, it's not a show about their new album, and they won't be able to directly promote it on the BBC. The way I see it, their singles success while not in any way bad is still a significant step down from how their last era started so I would expect their album sales to also take a big hit, whereas I would think Kylie will sell similar amounts if not more than her last album since it's Q4 this time. I may be wrong but I'd really be quite shocked (as things stand) if Little Mix are even within 10k or so of Kylie.

(I guess it's also the case that 'Say Something' didn't make as much impact as 'Dancing' but Kylie being more of an albums artist I think is less likely to see any particular correlation between that and her album opening)

Posted by: shindymindy 25th September 2020, 08:00 PM

Kylie has done 16k preorders in a few months
LM have done 10k in 1 week

Posted by: Calum 25th September 2020, 08:19 PM

That only really stands up if you're assuming Little Mix are going to continue to bring in massive pre-order numbers though? I'm not sure what Kylie's pre-orders were in the first week, but I don't quite get your point. I'm sure Kylie will have done the majority of her pre-orders in the first week too.

Posted by: JosephStyles 25th September 2020, 08:21 PM

I expect the large majority of both Kylie and Little Mix's pre-orders came on day 1 from the fans. You simply can't compare those numbers at all.

Posted by: pippa 25th September 2020, 09:02 PM

I'm sticking with Kylie.

Posted by: Bré 25th September 2020, 09:14 PM

What's the source for these pre-order numbers?

Posted by: pippa 25th September 2020, 09:44 PM

If the press and news outlets pick up more on this it will help Kylie.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 25th September 2020, 11:38 PM

Kylie all the way.

Posted by: jlj 26th September 2020, 01:12 AM

It definitely will I’d imagine!

I’d say the only area Kylie might struggle is streaming. Her fans need to make sure they stream as much as they can in week one as this is the area Kylie will be let down by.

LM will definitely be ahead on streams and in the albums charts now streaming counts way more than usual. So she’ll need a bit of a sales lead to cancel out the advantage LM will have on streams.

Posted by: ...ready for it 26th September 2020, 02:15 AM

Kylie.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 26th September 2020, 06:07 PM

Kylie will have to pull out all the stops.

Posted by: Steve201 27th September 2020, 01:45 AM

Will streaming have as big an impact on the album charts in mid November though? (Unless the pandemic ruins the high street still in the run up to Xmas)!

Little Mix may not sell as much as they have a smaller fanbase and haven’t transferred over to MOR music just yet!

Posted by: slowdown73 27th September 2020, 01:00 PM

I’ve voted for Kylie as I want her to do it and think she truly deserves it more. I actually think it could go either way to be honest but Kylie should still have decent sales and will hopefully open with sales similar if not more than golden. If we enter a stricter lockdown then sales for both artists will be affected and particularly Kylie who relies more on the physicals market. Kylie has released two great singles to launch this album so I’m sure the fans will try and go the extra mile to help her reach no1.

Posted by: Nick Jonas 27th September 2020, 01:30 PM

Doubt LM’s show will have much effect on the album - it flopped horribly with 1.9 million viewers last night

Posted by: SmileyKylie 28th September 2020, 09:34 AM

Kylie needs to get as much ITV Promo while Little Mix get BBC every Saturday.

Anyone confirm yet that Kylie has a BGT final spot?

Without any TV Promo many casuals will be unaware that Kylie has a new album coming out. As long as pandemic allows her to she should get those slots.

I would also think she had bagged G Norton the week of 6th Nov already and BMG are usually very creative so they may have more stuff. I am guessing Strictly again and also The One Show performance.

Posted by: slowdown73 29th September 2020, 09:12 AM

Unfortunately, I think Little Mix will beat Kylie to no1 album although I’m still really hoping Kylie can do it. Little Mix have their show they are doing which raises their profile a lot but there has been virtually no promo for Kylie so far and I hope that will change. I’d love Kylie to achieve another number 1 album and obtain the feat of being the only artist to have a number one in last 5 decades. Say something and magic are both great tracks.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 29th September 2020, 09:18 AM

Still finding this hard to call but Kylie fans are a strong force so I still think they'll do it.

I can see this shocking everyone and one of the two actually being a fair bit ahead of the other..

Posted by: 365 29th September 2020, 09:58 AM

I still think it will be close. Kylie fans will buy every format imaginable, and while little Mix fans will have more formats to buy from than ever before, they won't go as hard. They haven't got the same income as the 50+ year old gays who collect Kylie stuff.

The thing about Kylie that has helped her with pre-orders is that both her singles have been released since the album went up for pre-order. Little Mix have two singles on their album but both were released before being attached to an album. I will be very interested to see how Little Mix's 3rd single (the first directly linked to the album pre-order) helps their pre-orders.

i am almost certain Kylie will end up ahead in the first midweeks, regardless of even if Little Mix's next single ends up somehow being a smash, but streaming matters more and more for albums these days and could help Little Mix catch up over the week, given Kylie will probably get next to streams comparatively.

Little Mix's show hasn't done quite the numbers people were expecting, but it seems to have pushed Little Mix's pre-orders on amazon itunes a little higher.

Posted by: Calum 30th September 2020, 04:48 PM

Could you sound any more bitter?

There are plenty Kylie fans, of various demographics, that will collect any and all formats she releases. Poor Little Mix though I guess?

Posted by: bluebitchboy 30th September 2020, 04:56 PM

I think Kylie should manage the no1. She really does need to get off her arse and promote though, even a performance on the one show ala Steps would be better than nowt. 'Magic' is definitely a song which can help sell an album, but it's not much use if people haven't heard it. I appreciate as a cancer survivor she has to be doubly careful during this pandemic, but I hope she can get herself out there a bit.

Posted by: Wall 30th September 2020, 05:00 PM

We stan

Posted by: Liam.k. 30th September 2020, 05:19 PM

I don't think Joe meant anything bad by that. The point is that Kylie has a dedicated fanbase, a lot of who have been following her career since the beginning and are more likely to have more disposable income than Little Mix fans.

Posted by: Dannyboy 30th September 2020, 05:22 PM

Could you come across anymore insulting ?

Never heard anything so stupid, most kylie fans are probably 30-50 which would incorporate me who was a kid in the late 80s and the teens fans who were fans in the 2000s

Posted by: Dark Horse 30th September 2020, 05:37 PM

I am definitly sure that you have never been to any Kylie concert otherwise you would have known that most of the attendance doesnt fall into that category... its true a lot of them are gay men but most if them are in the 25-45 demographic.... not to mention the women and the straight couple... ur comment is really judgemental...

Posted by: M4NGO 30th September 2020, 07:03 PM

But I'm pretty sure he didn't say that only 50+ year old gays go to Kylie concerts? It's not necessarily the same people who go to her concerts that collect her releases in every format...

Posted by: 365 30th September 2020, 08:47 PM

I literally just meant Kylie fans have more disposable incoming which will work in her favour, unlike little mix fans loads of which won't even have jobs lol. Kylie has fans that have been collecting her work for decades.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 30th September 2020, 08:52 PM

There wasn’t anything bad about Joe’s comment? LMAO it’s true! Older gays will buy anything

Posted by: sammy01 30th September 2020, 09:34 PM

I feel both sets of fans will be disappointed by the final totals release week. We have seen how these fan base acts have most of their sales funnelled into their pre-orders these days.

If it is 16k Kylie and 10k Little Mix pre-orders thus far I'm going to say it will be 34k little mix 40k for Kylie come the final chart. Casual purchases of albums just don't happen much these days and I don't see either adding too much through streaming sales.

Posted by: 365 30th September 2020, 10:23 PM

Oh I didn't mean to sound bitter at all. I was trying to weigh up the pros and cons for both fan based in how close it might be. But, looking back I could have said 30+/40+ but in my mind I was thinking about how lots of fans would have been a certain age and may have been following her since she started her career and throughout the last 35 years. And I know a lot of Kylie's die hard collector fans personally because they're my friends and I've seen how many formats they sometimes buy! I was comparing it to Little Mix fans, a huge amount which will have to wait for their parents to buy it for them, or are school kids with no jobs etc.

Posted by: Tafty 30th September 2020, 11:22 PM

Absolutely. And as someone who works in that sector, I can confirm that an older audience are definitely more inclined to bundle and buy various versions of the same album by a particular artist. It's not even just Kylie (and it does happen with her - We had 2 or 3 people buy every version of 'Golden' on release day). Literally this Friday just gone, someone bought every copy of Prince's 'Sign O' The Times' re-issue. The same thing happens with The Beatles, David Bowie, Madonna, Rolling Stones et al.

Some of you have definitely over reacted to Joe's comment lmao.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 1st October 2020, 12:00 AM

I agree with your comments, there is no doubt Kylie has a large gay fanbase many of them men but she also has other fans outside that fanbase aswell, her concerts that i have attended have a very varied crowd including her gay fans, straight men and women, some teenagers and straight couples. The age demographic is very much 25-45 and certainly not all people aged 50+.

Posted by: sammy01 1st October 2020, 08:49 AM

Are some of those to stick on eBay though?

Posted by: Bjork 1st October 2020, 09:33 AM

of course Kylie has an older fanbase as she started in 1988
but it doesn't mean all her fans are seniors at the retirement home

I think hardcore fans are all ages, sure BTS fans will buy any format too and sure the fans are not pensionists

Posted by: Tafty 1st October 2020, 05:48 PM

This is where everyone over reacted to Joe... she definitely DOES have an older fanbase and that's only natural and understandable (those that grew up with her when she first launched will surely be late 40's/early 50's now?)

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that, Joe's point was that majority of her loyal fanbase are more likely and old enough to have a disposable income to be able to buy one version of every format they can.

It's such an over reaction to his post. It's actually pretty funny!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st October 2020, 07:42 PM

I followed her from the beginning and am a big and have only just turned 40.

There is a real mix of Kylie fans. I am a huge fan and will buy the CD only. There will be very few who buy the full bundles I would think.

Posted by: 365 1st October 2020, 08:05 PM

Yeah, I was using it as an example, I wasn't saying it was only 50+, I was just saying that little mix wouldn't get that same benefit. My logic was if someone was late teens/at uni when she started out they'd be like mid-50s ish now. I honestly know that it's not only those that are her fans, but the older fans will have more disposable income. And Kylie does have a lot of that. I'm 32 and have had Magic on repeat all week!

It was meant to be an example of how Kylie will benefit for the chart anyway.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd October 2020, 08:32 PM

I actually know a lot of older people and gays that will buy Little Mix probably more than Kylie!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 3rd October 2020, 03:43 PM

I'm a kylie fan since the 80s and buy her releases but not all the formats, the cd and vinyl I do buy. I couldn't afford to buying every format etc as it can be costly plus if I did my wife would divorce me, the older fans may have more disposable income but there is many things to spend it on.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th October 2020, 05:58 AM

Cineworld closing until next year, not sure what that means for Little Mix live streaming event?

Posted by: legendsglory 4th October 2020, 06:23 AM

It won’t affect the album sales at all i imagine. It wasn’t even announced yet so it will probably just be released a different way now.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th October 2020, 08:32 AM

Maybe they were going to have pop up stalls selling the album or maybe buy a ticket and buy the album for a discount?

There were not doing it for no reason 🤣

Posted by: shindymindy 4th October 2020, 09:22 AM

It would have been promo - I don’t think they were thinking of releasing a film to cinemas in order to have a pop up stall there.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th October 2020, 12:38 PM

Yup or buy an album and get the cinema ticket free barcode?

Posted by: Bjork 4th October 2020, 12:47 PM

Kylie fans sure are older
but it's not like Little Mix fans are 7-12 year old either... L Mix have been going on for nearly 10 years now, sure the early days fans
are not in the 20-30s age group

Posted by: SmileyKylie 12th October 2020, 05:17 PM

Search for Kylie Minogue on Amazon

What comes up first?

Little Mix Confetti Deluxe CD. 🙄

Record labels paid for that Advert no doubt lol

Posted by: GhoulOdyssey 12th October 2020, 05:19 PM

Just Kylie's Disco is coming up for me first

Posted by: SmileyKylie 12th October 2020, 05:27 PM

Are you using Amazon.co.uk?

It's a sponsored Little Mix ad for Confetti for me

Posted by: GhoulOdyssey 12th October 2020, 05:29 PM

I am indeed

Posted by: SmileyKylie 12th October 2020, 05:31 PM

For me Confetti is a sponsored Ad first on the list

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 12th October 2020, 07:10 PM

As opposed to... them having Amazon advertise for them for free?

Posted by: caseclosed 14th October 2020, 02:58 PM

Kylie has discounted her album on Itunes and The Search has been postponed (lost one week before the album) so I'm really thinking it's a no brainer by now that Kylie will get it.

Posted by: Cognizant 14th October 2020, 03:37 PM

The Search will not be broadcast this Saturday (17th Oct) and the live shows will instead begin on the 24th Oct; so it hasn't lost "one week before the album" like you suggested.

Posted by: Calum 14th October 2020, 03:46 PM

Well it technically has - there are 3(?) live shows, so it not airing this weekend has lost them some 'promo' from The Search prior to the album's release (as the last show will now air post-release if all goes to plan).

Not that 1.5m viewers a week is going to make a massive dent in sales anyway.

Posted by: Cognizant 14th October 2020, 04:34 PM

Yes but you implied that it wouldn’t air the week before the albums release..

I think it’s actually better to have a break this weekend and then have consecutive shows that encompass the albums release (and after it too).

Also Little Mix will definitely win this battle.

Posted by: Cognizant 14th October 2020, 05:14 PM

Ariana Grande has confirmed that her sixth studio album will be released this month; rumoured to be Friday 30th October.

Could the second week sales for that pose a threat for Kylie/ Little Mix.

Posted by: Tafty 14th October 2020, 05:23 PM

Not for Kylie and her (presumably) extensive promo that week (Kylie goes ALL IN on release week) but possibly (depending how well received it is) for LM. Apart from The Search (the week before?) idk what else LM will have that week :/

I still dont think its going to be close and Kylie will be #1 with 55k-60k whilst Little Mix are her nearest (new) competitors with 35k-40k-ish.

We'll see though, I guess.

Posted by: dan-G 14th October 2020, 05:26 PM

I very much doubt Ariana 2nd week would be a threat considering it'll be mostly streaming equivalent sales,
she'll still have a very healthy figure but Kylie and LM fans buying actual albums that week will see them ahead.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 14th October 2020, 07:58 PM

Let's just hope both can do any promo as the way things are looking the country could be in lockdown just when everyone wants to go and purchase in a shop. A circuit breaker lockdown of 3-4 weeks would mean only online orders and streaming. And very limited TV Promo....

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 14th October 2020, 09:18 PM

I just wish kylies album was out now before any lock down and less comptition aswell, if her album was out this week she would have a clear number 1.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 18th October 2020, 07:16 PM

Chart battle will be won by Adele who releases on 30th October it seems

Posted by: 365 18th October 2020, 07:29 PM

Just rumours, she'll more likely release a single and an album closer to December.

Posted by: jlj 18th October 2020, 08:54 PM

I think Adele will go for the 27th blocking Gary!

Ariana will probably be #3 on the Nov 6 chart week though she’ll probably overtake Kylie again the next week but I think her week two won’t be too much of a threat to LM and Kylies week one.

The more I’m looking at this battle I’m actually starting to begin to sway more to Little Mix getting it. I do think it’ll be close I’ll be shocked if there’s a runaway winner on this one.

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 18th October 2020, 09:05 PM

I really don't get why everyone is now taking it as a given that an Adele album is coming so soon when there has been no indication of any activity from her at all other than her hosting an SNL episode lol ~

Posted by: jlj 18th October 2020, 09:09 PM

Because it’s perfect promo and opportunity slot for Adele to announce something it just feels right / natural that although she’s not the performer the show will likely end with her announcing the single / album release date.

It’s pretty much the best show she can do really in terms of getting an announcement out there and there’ll be some reasoning behind why she’s hosting it and why now too. Idk we could all be reading a lot into this but this is Adele she’s very quiet and likes to stay out the limelight but she’s s*** hot when she does have a release out there at ensuring we all know about it!

Posted by: Liam.k. 18th October 2020, 11:08 PM

We’ve heard the Adele rumour every year since 2016, I won’t believe it until I see it. I know she could get away with a sudden Beyoncé-esque release but I think she’s still have a couple of weeks of build up.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 19th October 2020, 03:27 AM

Well we will soon find out.

If Adele doesn't release then still think Little Mix will take this comfortably from current activity

Although rumour has it Kylie will make somekind of promo announcement today , maybe about a live streaming event

Posted by: Sour Candy 19th October 2020, 07:18 AM

Adele has never appeared in public "just because". If she has a host slot on SNL (the biggest promo apart from big award show) she must be cooking something.

Posted by: Bjork 19th October 2020, 07:37 AM

yes for sure, no one is denying that, but some think the album is gonna drop out next week
I think the SNL is just the start of the roll out

Posted by: Sour Candy 19th October 2020, 07:48 AM

Yea but regardless if it's out next week or the week after or 6th of Nov, it'll affect this chart battle.

I would think it'll be either surprise release after her appearance (or a single) or released on 27th of November though.

Posted by: shindymindy 19th October 2020, 08:37 AM

I think a single will defo come out first and then an album a few weeks later

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 19th October 2020, 09:12 AM

Isn't she literally just doing this as a standalone thing because it's something she's always wanted to do?

I'm not expecting new music imminently.

Posted by: slowdown73 19th October 2020, 09:19 AM

There has been no proper confirmation about Adele yet so it may not even happen yet!

Posted by: M4NGO 19th October 2020, 09:32 AM

Love how Adele has basically taken over a thread to discuss Little Mix vs Kylie

Posted by: 365 19th October 2020, 01:08 PM

Her album is apparently 27th of November, which is a lot more believable given it is close to the release date of her last album.

In terms of this actual chart battle, I still keep flip flopping between who I think will take it! Kylie has some massive advantages like Graham Norton on release day but Little Mix have gone to town with the signed bundles and are already showing signs of it being a very big streaming first week.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 19th October 2020, 08:40 PM

Kylie's songs are struggling streaming wise and literally on no Spotify playlists

Little Mix are are getting half their album out there already and getting them on playlists ready


Sadly I think Little Mix.

Kylie has just announced a Global streaming event for 7th November and buying a CD from her website gives you early bird tickrt access. Not sure why you need early bird tickets for a virtual event?

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 19th October 2020, 08:52 PM

I don't think streaming is going to be that significant a factor in this race. Little Mix are not that big on streaming either (obviously bigger than Kylie but the difference between their streaming sales won't be more than a few thousand I'd think). They'll both get the majority of their numbers from actual sales.

Posted by: Hallo'Riheen 19th October 2020, 09:08 PM

I can see Little Mix doing 9k on streaming while maybe... 2k for Kylie? I actually think streaming could make the difference, the meltdowns if it does *.*

I like both artists so I don't have a particular preference to who gets it, 'Magic' is my fave song from either era though and it'd be nice if Kylie got her #1 in 5 decades but she'll easily get it another time I guess!

Posted by: jlj 19th October 2020, 09:12 PM

What did LM5 sell in week one off streams and what did Golden sell off streams.

Just as a comparison. Streaming could definitely make the difference here!! Kylie will almost definitely be #1 on paid sales though

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 19th October 2020, 09:17 PM

I enquired to Jay and he said 'LM5' did 9.5k in streams in its first week, I would expect 'Confetti' to be lower than that. 'Golden' did 1.8k looking back at the Week by Week Stats thread.

Posted by: Hallo'Riheen 19th October 2020, 09:23 PM

Based off the singles success in the Confetti era compared to 'Woman Like Me' then yeah you'd expect them to do less this time but remember they'll have three singles to boost streaming numbers in the first week (so one will count for the total) compared to just one.

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 19th October 2020, 09:33 PM

Possible I suppose, but digging back to 2018 Spotify threads these were their positions on the first day for 'LM5':

2 Woman Like Me (feat. Nicki Minaj)
22 Strip (feat. Sharaya J)
71 Think About Us
76 Joan of Arc
85 Wasabi
88 Only You (with Cheat Codes)
94 Monster In Me
96 Told You So
114 Love a Girl Right
119 American Boy
123 More Than Words (feat. Kamille)
130 The Cure
141 Forget You Not
142 Motivate
183 Notice
190 Woman's World

Right now 'Holiday' is their only song in the top 200 at #77, I would assume that'll probably still be in their top 2 songs when the album comes out and I'm not sure I can see them having a third song meaningfully higher than #71. Maybe they might manage to pull similar numbers to 'LM5' considering that the lack of a 'Woman Like Me' size hit doesn't actually make a difference for the albums chart but I definitely don't see them going higher than the 9.5k they did last time.

Posted by: 365 19th October 2020, 10:47 PM

Holiday I'd say will be 3rd or 4th. 1st I presume will be their new single Sweet Melody which is out on Friday and will be being pushed as the current single, then they'll probably have an album track they push on NMF (maybe the title track or something). And I'd say Holiday will come after that, unless Break Up Song has a higher boost due to being track 1 and being a generally more well known song and bigger hit?

Posted by: Steve201 19th October 2020, 11:01 PM

Adele returned in 2015 with the feature on the ad break of the XF!

Posted by: omrimayo 19th October 2020, 11:11 PM

True. Hello its me. And that's it and the world ended. But what's the connection?

Posted by: M4NGO 19th October 2020, 11:24 PM

Ah, that was a genius bit of promotion but what's it got to do with the price of fish?!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 20th October 2020, 03:42 PM

MTV EMAs

Little Mix host and perform ....

8th Nov. Big promo slot for them

Posted by: Cognizant 20th October 2020, 09:45 PM

Was just about to post this! I think the EMA’s will give them the edge!

+ lots of promo that week and The Search too

Posted by: 365 20th October 2020, 11:24 PM

The EMAs isn't broadcast on tv though. Graham Norton is actually a better slot than anything Little Mix have lined up so far

Posted by: GhoulOdyssey 20th October 2020, 11:31 PM

Is it not on MTV/Channel 5 like it was last year? A real shame if not :/

Posted by: Tafty 20th October 2020, 11:46 PM

Even then the EMA's very rarely have that much of an affect here, right? (Not sure about other countries) Unless a performance goes viral - like Dua last year - mainly it's coz people were shocked about the difference in her ability as a performer going from THOSE One Dance performances to that EMAs performance

But yeah, I'm not expecting much of a boost at all.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 21st October 2020, 12:16 AM

Any bit of promo is better than nothing at the moment.

Kylie Streaming event on 7th Nov won't be that big outside of the people who usually buy her album either but every bit helps.

Streaming should win it for Little Mix 5k extra streams could well be enough but also they have so many formats too that Kylie may struggle.

Let's see. The record companies will have a good idea already and we could see a few price wars if it does get close.

We could even see the likes of Sam, Ariana, Bruce or even Adele causing problems for them both

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 21st October 2020, 12:32 AM

Who knows what will happen.

Genuinely could go either way.

However, If either Kylie or Little Mix get into price wars I'll be annoyed as both are solid names who shouldn't need to do this.

Posted by: jimwatts 21st October 2020, 12:53 PM

99 votes so far (including null responses)...

Posted by: 365 21st October 2020, 01:03 PM

I really don't think any of these pose a threat.

Posted by: caseclosed 21st October 2020, 01:08 PM

I think release week is what will make a difference and so far it seems to be that Kylie has a better release week than the girls, as I can't see them being on Strictly either, seeing as The Search will air on the 7th as well.

She has Graham Norton which is a much better promo slot than EMA's as far as impact on the charts goes and her virtual show, which is catered to her public but is also likely to boost sales a bit.

Also her prices are much, much better already. I hope the girls lower theirs come release week as some stuff is very expensive at the moment.

Posted by: Dark Horse 21st October 2020, 02:07 PM

as much as I adore Kylie, i dont think she stands a chance of overtaking Little mIX, especially since LM have the streaming, and promo advantage, Kylie relies mostly on her fans who still purchase albums from HMV and supermarket chains, this time around it won't be an option due to Covid lockdown.... so i think in the ebd Little Mix will sell 60k and Kylie 30-35k at best

Posted by: iain 21st October 2020, 02:17 PM

Supermarkets are all open during lockdown, hopefully they will be stocking new releases. I’m not sure what HMV shops percentage of the market is, probably minimal in 2020.

The only other surprise release which may interfere is Drake.

Posted by: jlj 21st October 2020, 02:27 PM

It’s hard to tell with Drake.

His last “album” Scorpion cleared 60k in release week but his last mixtape a few months ago Dark Lane Demo Tapes did less than half of that. It’s difficult to predict which one this era will be closer to in terms of sales. I actually don’t think he’d pose a threat against Kylie or Little Mix in week one though.

Posted by: iain 21st October 2020, 02:30 PM

Also, a daily breakdown of Golden’s sales, Graham Norton promo (Friday night) helped hugely with that last time around.

Fri: 24k
Sat: 31k
Sun: 34k
Mon: 37k
Tues: 41k
Wed: 44k
Thurs: 48k

Posted by: Liam.k. 21st October 2020, 02:32 PM

Thanks for that! Wow at the sales double across the week.

Posted by: iain 21st October 2020, 02:40 PM

...and finally the sales breakdown for Golden:

1 NEW 'GOLDEN' Kylie
Total Sales: 48,032
CD: 28,152
Digital: 9,010
Streaming: 1,870
Vinyl: 6,398

+ around 2,500 cassettes. Those streaming figures are dire, hopefully they will pick up a bit this time around.

Posted by: Tafty 21st October 2020, 02:41 PM

LM only have their show lined up so far. They have the EMA's but that barely has any realistic impact over here iirc. Kylie's promo slot on Norton is stronger than LM's show, and I will be v surprised if Kylie doesn't have anything else lined up that week coz she usually goes as hard as she can on release week, right? (This is NOT a negative thing, every artist should be doing that!)

If it's as close as people think it will be, then I think the discounting of cassettes and CD's on their stores will be crucial. However, I'm still personally thinking about 38k-44k for LM and 55k-ish for Kylie.

Posted by: iain 21st October 2020, 02:46 PM

I do think people may be overestimating some of these first week sales a bit. Lady Gaga currently has the highest one week sales of 2020 with 53k, I’m not sure if Little Mix or Kylie are in a position to have the largest one week sales of the year?

Posted by: Tafty 21st October 2020, 02:53 PM

We're in Q4 (Christmas trading) sales are traditionally higher at this time of year (but it's going to be interesting to see how much of an affect Covid and lockdowns etc.. have on these)

Posted by: Cognizant 21st October 2020, 03:00 PM

Ariana Grande will surely clear 53k??? Her streaming figures are bloody insane!

Posted by: Tafty 21st October 2020, 03:03 PM

She's rumoured (idk if it's been confirmed yet) to be releasing her album the week before this battle!

Posted by: 365 21st October 2020, 09:29 PM

It's confirmed on her website it seems that she's the week before. Can see her doing about 25/30 in week 2.

Posted by: jlj 21st October 2020, 09:34 PM

Depends when Ariana’s physicals will be out. She might have a good second week and a smaller drop % to thank u, next if that’s when we get physicals. We could get them later I mean she does have downloads but Ariana usually does stuff like cassettes too and I think she’s done vinyls as well. Depends when those sales are counted and to what chart.

I think she might be ahead of both Kylie and LM on the chart beginning week Nov 13 but she’ll be #3 behind both Kylie and LM in whatever order the week beginning Nov 6.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 21st October 2020, 10:18 PM

Kylie Promo so far

6th Nov: Graham Norton interview + singing Magic
7th Nov: Global Infinite Disco Live Stream

Still think Little Mix probably will have this won by Monday but I live in hope

Posted by: pippa 21st October 2020, 10:44 PM

It remains a battle to play for.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 22nd October 2020, 09:06 AM

Sounds like Kylie showing us more of a Disco vibe again on new song I Love It. Out midnight

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 22nd October 2020, 02:16 PM

A song with disco vibes? From this Kylie album? Surely not.

Posted by: Sour Candy 22nd October 2020, 02:21 PM

Posted by: M4NGO 22nd October 2020, 02:37 PM

Well it would be the first tbf, despite the album being called 'Disco' neither of the singles have sounded particularly disco-y!

Posted by: Bjork 22nd October 2020, 02:39 PM

agree I have a different concept of Disco than Kylie

Posted by: Sour Candy 22nd October 2020, 02:44 PM

Bee Gees?

Posted by: Wall 22nd October 2020, 03:23 PM

Quote me.

Little Mix will win by 8k.

Posted by: jlj 23rd October 2020, 03:09 PM

In the original poll I voted for Kylie but I’ve changed my mind now.

I strongly now think Little Mix are winning this one.

Posted by: jimwatts 23rd October 2020, 03:36 PM

100 people actually voted in this poll now!

Posted by: jvckkk 23rd October 2020, 04:17 PM

I think as of now Little Mix would probably take it, but Kylie is usually everywhere in release week and as we saw with Golden, doubled her sales from the start to the end of the week. Combined with her loyal fanbase and the Glastonbury effect I think she might take it all said and done, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see Little Mix do it either since they’re really fighting for it.

Posted by: Hallo'Riheen 23rd October 2020, 04:20 PM

Yeah I think Little Mix have this now

Posted by: shindymindy 23rd October 2020, 04:35 PM

LMs streaming numbers will be big - the album is at number 3 on Apple music already

I think they have this one now

Posted by: sammy01 23rd October 2020, 05:29 PM

People pay way too much attention to the apple music album chart, I'm not sure how it is compiled but Melanie C was top 30/40 for all of her release week and I'm sure wasn't even one of the top 200 albums from streaming sales that week.

Posted by: iain 23rd October 2020, 05:53 PM

Little Miix got 9000 first week album stream sales last time around compared to Kylie’s 1800. I imagine that Kylie has more presales given how long it’s been on sale for, so that could dent that lead considerably. I think a lot is going to come down to promo on the week, though I would expect Kylie to be ahead in the first midweek update.

Posted by: 365 23rd October 2020, 06:00 PM

I don't know the exact numbers but Kylie and little mix have only between 500 - 1k in it in terms of pre-orders now. I'm not actually sure who's in the lead but I assume it's Kylie still??

Still looking to be a close one!

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 23rd October 2020, 06:17 PM

I don’t even think this is any sort of battle now.

Little Mix have utterly killed it with these new songs, the albums at 3 already on AM.

They have The Search performances, EMA’s etc...

I think they’ll do 10/15k more than Kylie now.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 07:27 PM

Little Mix have 5 songs out for that Apple Music Album position

Kylie only has 3. Hardly a fair comparison.

Kylie has G Norton on Friday and a Global world stream on Saturday

I too think Little Mix will take it but we really don't know yet. could be tight, could be a run away, could be a surprise.

BMG have worked hard on Kylie streaming and I would hope her streaming of the album would be better this time around than Golden and a lot of Kylie fans have premium accounts on Spotify etc which could help a little

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 07:28 PM

Any source for these pre orders? How do people know all these figures from record companies?

Posted by: Steve201 23rd October 2020, 07:28 PM

Yeh it’s an important release for LM

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 08:05 PM

Just remember Kylie is an independent label and using BMG for distribution. Little Mix have a major record label behind them

Could count.

Posted by: Dannyboy 23rd October 2020, 08:39 PM

I’m calling bullshit on this, no one would know the ore sales of 2 completely different record labels.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 08:51 PM

To me, Amazon pre orders and hmv pre orders could have guesstimate but from Kylie website /Townsend music and Little Mix website who would know? All we heard from Kylie BMG camp is they were happy and ahead of Golden at a certain point, that may not be the case now but who knows

Posted by: Dannyboy 23rd October 2020, 08:53 PM

Exactly, no one has a clue and people who say they do are talking shite

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 08:58 PM

Unless you work for those companies and leak stuff but hardly going to do that if you want to beat the competition.

Posted by: Dannyboy 23rd October 2020, 08:59 PM

Exactly, you may know one but you wouldn’t know the other with it being a totally different label

Posted by: jvckkk 23rd October 2020, 09:30 PM

While this is true, Kylie licenses the music she owns via her company to BMG, who are effectively her label. She’s not an independent artist but rather a label artist with her own licensing agreement and the ownership of her material. It’s really no different to Beyonce with Parkwood for example. It’s in BMG’s best interests for her to succeed because they’re making profit off of it, and they pushed Golden and Step Back in Time to huge heights. That’s why Roisin signed a similar subcontracting deal with them and had the biggest sales she has to date because BMG put her in the right places (Graham Norton etc.)

Kylie will for sure be promoting hard come release week but I’m sure Little Mix will be doing the same, so it’s still difficult to tell where things will end up. Website sales are also much harder to establish than iTunes/Amazon etc, and you just know additional formats are going to pop up for both artists. I could see it being a neck and neck battle all week.

Posted by: Liam.k. 23rd October 2020, 09:36 PM

365 does have insider knowledge. I imagine getting pre-order info is no different to how insiders receive midweek info.

Posted by: Dark Horse 23rd October 2020, 09:37 PM

Kylie’s management chose the worst week to release her new album, they couldve released it at any other week from January till late October ( except Gaga week) and it would have been an easy number 1... they decided to go ahead in a battle they know they will lose, and even Ariana’s second week sales might be a threat to her...
my predictions : Little Mix 50-55 K Kylie 30-35K ....
she should’ve brought the release date forward to this week or the next, she stands zero chance now...

Posted by: jvckkk 23rd October 2020, 09:49 PM

If the preorders are that close I definitely don’t think Kylie stands zero chance, and certainly not a 20k discrepancy. Also she announced her album much earlier so it’s not really on her to move around the record, which is a desperate move. I’m sure she’s not fussed about the possibility of coming in at #2 or less. If Little Mix come in at #1 it’s because they wanted it more and have worked bloody hard to sell the album, so good on them.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 23rd October 2020, 09:54 PM

Honestly whichever ends out on top, They both deserve to be 1 and 2.

Kylie has managed to keep a dedicated fanbase for years and years as has Little Mix.

What I love about this battle is both are worthy, I prefer Little Mix and want them to get it but I appreciate that Kylie works bloody hard too.

In fact both acts really put the work in.

Posted by: Dark Horse 23rd October 2020, 10:04 PM

u cant really compare... Kylie has been an internationally renowed pop star legend for 33 years selling more than 80 million records worldwide, while Little Mix is a manufactured girl group created by Simon Cowell a few years ago as the female One Direction without any major success outside their home country...

Posted by: slowdown73 23rd October 2020, 10:05 PM

How do you know Kylie will lose for sure? Have you got a crystal ball? I think she will do better than 30-35k. Her last Golden sold more in its first week than your current prediction and that was in April and not Q4. If Kylie doesn’t win, it will be closer than you’re predicting I think. Kylie has done well on preorders and her fans will go all out to support her.

Posted by: jvckkk 23rd October 2020, 10:06 PM

It’s not fair to compare the two since Kylie has been going for much longer. Little Mix have outlasted so many girl bands and are still going strong with a dedicated fanbase behind them, even after the split from Simon which could have been their end. And if it is a numbers game, they’ve sold 50 million records which is an amazing feat considering how long they’ve been going. We don’t need to knock one down to build up the other. They’re both great artists.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 23rd October 2020, 10:16 PM

Sorry but the length of time in the industry doesn't depict how hard someone works.

BOTH work really hard, therefore both are worthy of a #1 album.

You can't deny Little Mix have worked BLOODY HARD to get where they are, seeing all sorts of Simon's acts fail or get dropped.

Posted by: Tafty 23rd October 2020, 10:24 PM

Was Kylie (well, her label) even aware that LM were gonna release that week? (And I doubt either of them knew about Ariana, but even then I'm not sure second week Ari will be a threat atm)

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Also, he's not comparing Kylie to Little Mix, wth? He just said that they both deserve to be #1 coz they've kept/built their fanbases for years and years (and he's not wrong?)

I'd personally like LM to get it (ofc) mainly coz a band's career together is shorter lived, so for all we know this would be one of the last few chances for LM to get a 2nd number 1 album. I LOVE Kylie's record though if she were to get a #1 album (a #1 album across 5 decades or w/e it is) but this wouldn't be a last chance for her as I'm sure she'd easily get another #1 album in the next 2 years or so. But if she gets the #1 (I think she will) that'd be such an amazing feat.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 10:29 PM

Kylie booked her release week and based promo around it. She doesn't move her release week that I know of ever.

BMG like you say make money the more sales they get. They have gone for sales rather than chart position. They have big acts all the time trying to get sales in a difficult year.

There are releases popping up all over the place.

I just hope she can maintain a good level of sales and promo up until Xmas.

Posted by: bluebitchboy 23rd October 2020, 10:29 PM

I was very confident Kylie would win comfortably, but now I'm much less so. I actually think the majority of the public are even aware of Kylies singles or the albums release, her and her label really need to pull their finger out. A global livestream is going to be for fans only, and Graham Norton is a great slot, but it's not enough. I would expect her to perform at some stage of the week on the one show, but not sure she will get the coveted strictly slot due to Graham. But we shall see. I'm predicting 50k openings for both of them, roughly.

Posted by: 365 23rd October 2020, 10:43 PM

I won't share anymore info then. I apologise.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 23rd October 2020, 10:44 PM

Kylie has got the pre orders she will get from her loyal fans.

No point promoting on TV etc until release week now to be honest or the week before. Casual fans don't pre order and buy bundles. The promo could get lost weeks before

She will have Strictly later in November probsbly, J Ross, The One Show etc.

BMG will want impact from 6th November onwards. They have released vinyl singles of Magic and Say Something etc to fit in with the campaign

It is not Kylies fault she doesn't get added to streaming playlists, to commercial radio stations etc
That's why she may be seen as not promoting. But she has done plenty of interviews etc.

The global stream is good. It gives her material she can use to promote the album later on, on YouTube etc to sell the album. She is also charging £16 a ticket so all income. Lot of fans could watch a Kylie concert and then decide to buy the album so it could pickup sales. Plus I would not be surprised if she does an offer of buy a £16 ticket and get £2-3 off an album/new format from 6th Nov (so far she did buy and album and get discounted ticket)

Posted by: Zak 23rd October 2020, 10:56 PM

I'd like to keep hearing the information. From what I remember you've been accurate? Don't see why you'd make it up. And we will see whether you're right/close when the numbers come in anyway.

Also it's not like you're saying exact numbers and passing them off as fact. Your info doesn't cause any problems imo.

Posted by: caseclosed 23rd October 2020, 11:24 PM

Lol it was just said that whoever wins will deserve it as both work very hard and someone already started diminishing LM for being manufactured etc as if there was a huge variety of formation methods for pop groups...

They're both great female pop acts and whichever wins (if it is indeed either of them) will be a triumph for different reasons.

Besides you can't really compare a pop group's career's length to a solo act's one, it's two completely different scenarios.

Posted by: Davidson 23rd October 2020, 11:28 PM

Have a feeling this isn’t even going to be close anymore.

Going on the hype for both records I’m going to predict:

Little Mix (51k)
Kylie Minogue (33k)

I hope I am wrong and that Kylie can get higher numbers than I’m expecting.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd October 2020, 11:56 PM

I remember how the release date of Light Years got moved back a week to avoid Madonna, and then she kept it off in her second week.

Posted by: shindymindy 24th October 2020, 12:00 AM

Please do carry on sharing the info - some just don't like hearing the truth it seems!
They prob think the midweek info people get is rubbish too.

Posted by: Dannyboy 24th October 2020, 06:55 AM

But midweeks are reported to 1 place so it’s easy to know. I doubt very much that someone knows the sales from 2 different companies.

That’s like Netflix sharing viewing figures with Amazon Prime, never gonna happen 😂

Posted by: JosephStyles 24th October 2020, 06:58 AM

Doubt it all you like, it's happened

Posted by: Dannyboy 24th October 2020, 07:01 AM

No I don’t actually and that is all collated through 1 company so it realistic that someone can get that information. My point is that 1 person would not be to get sales data from 2 completely different companies.

Posted by: Dannyboy 24th October 2020, 07:02 AM

There is no evidence of this, if there is I will gladly apologise.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 07:58 AM

How do preorders numbers actually work. Is it just based on how many copies for example Amazon/HMV buy in for their shops/online to meet demand for orders etc? Or does the record company get alerted for every single sale of a CD pre release, or do Official Chart have a secret data collection from each outlet etc?

Posted by: iain 24th October 2020, 08:46 AM

The closeness of those preorders doesn’t bode well for Kylie. But to be fair Little Mix have really been working for it, with multiple batches of signed copies, lots of prereleases to generate interest etc so they deserve them. It’s so odd that Kylie has barely engaged this era, Graham Norton is going to have to do a lot of heavy lifting for her to still be in this race.

Posted by: iain 24th October 2020, 08:46 AM

Double post - but just to add, Kylie relies soo much on in your face TV and radio promo and she has done pretty much none of it this year.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 12:53 PM

Kylie and BMG will want longevity of the album more than number 1. They are not releasing in November for a number 1 album. They want to be able to get promo and sales. BMG are doing same for the likes of Mcfly and Steps with releases and strategies like Kylie.

Kylie doesn't get Radio 1 or Spotify playlisted. She needs to promote like she will below. It's also no need to do all promo in same release week, it needs to spread out over several weeks and try to keep the album top 75 until after Xmas

Well what have we got lined up so far for release week?

6th Nov. Graham Norton. Interview & Magic single
7th Nov. Global Livestream of Infinite Disco
Week-long: chart battle with Little Mix on social media/news

Possibilities. Radio 2 Zoe Ball on Friday Morning? Lorraine snippet/interview?

Other possible promo Nov/Dec
J Ross - Likely
Children in Need - Possibly
Strictly - Likely
The One Show - Likely
TV special - Wish List
BBC Breakfast - Probably
GMB - Probably
Sunday Brunch - Unlikely
Loose Women - Unlikely
This Morning - Likely
Royal Variety - Possibly
More Radio promo?
Infinite Disco screened on TV? - Possibly
The Voice - Possibly
Jools Holland - Likely


Releases: Disco on all formats. Vinyl versions of Say Something and Magic . Will we get digital bundles for both from her store midweek? Likely. Will we have any more remixes on the Friday 6th...maybe F9 of Say Something?

Black Friday: Deluxe Vinyl of Disco released

11th Dec: Japanese version of Disco released

Fingers crossed she gets at least 1/2 of those TV slots etc.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 12:55 PM

There has literally been nothing to do since she released the album on pre release. It will be scheduled. Give her a chance! She has done loads of interviews and photo photos etc. Subtle.

The TV Promo will come as it always does

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 12:55 PM

There has literally been nothing to do since she released the album on pre release. It will be scheduled. Give her a chance! She has done loads of interviews and photo photos etc. Subtle.

The TV Promo will come as it always does

Posted by: GhoulOdyssey 24th October 2020, 12:57 PM

Jools Holland ends on Nov 6th btw, and she's not on that one.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th October 2020, 01:00 PM

I'm veering towards thinking Little Mix will get this now, they've really smashed it out of the park with the new single and I think that will do well.

Rooting for Kylie though!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 01:02 PM

Oh i meant like a pre recording for the New Year thing he does? Or an Xmas Special one.

Maybe singing an Acoustic version of Say Something

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 01:03 PM

Imagine Kylie doing a New Year Disco stream or even her Infinite Disco Livestream from 7th Nov being shown on New Year's Eve on BBC ♥️

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 01:10 PM

They where happy in August with the pre orders. This was obviously before Little Mix announced. I really don't think BMG and Kylie are too bothered, in fact they probably using the battle and the Kylie 5 decade thing as easy free promo.

I am sure Kylie would rather have 100,000 sales spread over Nov-Jan than a number 1 album selling 35,000 then plummeting in week 2 and out of top 100 by December.

Can Kylie Minogue crack the US with her Disco album?
by Andre Paine
August 21st 2020 at 7:02AM
Can Kylie Minogue crack the US with her Disco album?
BMG UK boss Alistair Norbury has told Music Week that the Kylie Minogue campaign for new album Disco has so far been a “perfect storm”, based on its early international success.

Following her signing to BMG, the label scored a No.1 album with Golden in 2018, her first chart-topper since 2010. Golden has 156,423 sales to date (including 22,726 from streams), according to the Official Charts Company.

BMG and Minogue repeated the chart feat last year with Step Back In Time – The Definitive Collection (released in partnership with Rhino), which has sales of 124,479 (30,732 from streams). So hopes are high for her 15th studio album, Disco, released on November 6.

“We’re having a fantastic time with Kylie,” said Norbury, BMG UK president, repertoire and marketing. “We’re 100% ahead of where we were [at this stage] on Golden already. That’s on every metric: streaming, social media, Amazon pre-orders, D2C pre-orders, video views. And what's very exciting is the US response, which is the biggest response since the heyday, and there’s already lots of interest at US radio.”

Golden peaked at No.64 in the US Top 200 albums. Her biggest Hot 100 hit remains 1988’s Locomotion (No.3), while Can’t Get You Out Of My Head made No.7 in 2002.

Lead single Say Something has achieved new career peaks for Minogue in the US. Earlier this month, it opened at No.19 in Hot Dance/Electronic Songs and No.3 in Dance/Electronic Digital Song Sales.



In the UK, the single has so far peaked at No.82, with 13,265 sales to date. Radio 2 is on board once again for the singer, with the track on the station’s A-list. Minogue has 5,780,104 monthly Spotify listeners.

Norbury said the coronavirus restrictions have altered the roll-out of global campaigns, which previously involved expensive international promo trips.

“What we’ve achieved on Kylie is that perfect storm, where we're currently setting up to sell more records than last time without the cost of promotion, because she's not going anywhere,” he told Music Week.

“When we launched the Golden album, we were all in Soho House in Berlin with Kylie and Hartwig [Masuch, BMG CEO] and it got off to a great start. But this time, she launched the album from her house. So, while you will see some very exciting, big promo things coming, they're going to be much more focused.”

Norbury suggested it was an opportunity for labels to reassess the scale of promo plots for global artists.

“I'm hoping that there's a re-education of how we will promote moving forward,” he said. “Yes, we will still do big things, but we don't necessarily need to zoom around the world and do TV in every country and everything that's offered.”

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Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 01:15 PM

Of course BMG want Kylie to get the number 1 album...

They want the exposure of an album in each decade etc..

Honestly, Kylie stans need to chill out a bit it's becoming ridiculous.

Kylie's hardly a big seller anymore, she relies majorly on her hardcore loyal fanbase.

I mean a top 100 single, it's hardly groundbreaking! The way people are talking is like she's scoring massive number 1 singles...

She's not even top 20 on iTunes with her latest instant grat.

Posted by: JosephStyles 24th October 2020, 01:18 PM

Kylie's last two albums are certified gold. In this day and age, and relying mostly on pure sales, that's a good outcome! She is a pretty big seller and there's clearly public interest in her too, considering how many people went to see her Glastonbury performance and how many watched on the TV too.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 01:20 PM

I'm not denying she does well but some people need to just take a breath.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 01:33 PM

I think it's you that needs to chill lol. Kylie fans are well aware of her chart positions and sales etc. We are just chatting

Posted by: Calum 24th October 2020, 01:37 PM

!!!

Posted by: Slick 24th October 2020, 01:42 PM

I put Kylie because I think she has the older audience who are more likely to buy a physical copy. I would love Little Mix to do it though.

Posted by: iain 24th October 2020, 01:43 PM

It’s a good thing we aren’t talking about a competition in the singles chart then isn’t it? I’m sure I don’t need to explain to you about the difficulty a 52 year old woman is going to have with getting radio play outside radio 2 and any Spotify playlist exposure.

Posted by: Spiceboy 24th October 2020, 01:44 PM

Haha let's not pretend Kylie isn't every bit as manufactured as Little Mix were. She was given a music career because she was a pretty popular character from a TV soap and was manufactured in exactly the same way by Pete Waterman. She doesn't write her own songs and relies on others for her career. She hasn't been a "renowned pop star legend for 33 years" she was very much seen as pop fodder in her early days, she has been a legend since 2000 onwards. Also Little Mix have been together for nearly 10 years now, hardly "a few years ago."

I'll always be a Kylie fan over most other acts, but comments like these are incredibly hypocritical.

Posted by: Spiceboy 24th October 2020, 01:46 PM

I originally thought Kylie had this hands down, but I'm thinking Little Mix might just sneak it through. I'm hoping for a Kylie #1 though would love for her to become the first act to have a #1 album in the 80's, 90's, 00's, 10's and 20's

If she doesn't do it this time I'm sure she will at some point during the 2020's

Posted by: Calum 24th October 2020, 01:52 PM

She literally has writing credits on every song on Disco, Golden and Impossible Princess, as well as either some or the majority on every other album (besides her debut and Enjoy Yourself).

Posted by: Bjork 24th October 2020, 02:19 PM

being added as cowriter in songs written with teams doesn't mean you can write songs
if you. think Kylie write her own songs you need a reality check

Posted by: JosephStyles 24th October 2020, 02:23 PM

If she's listed as a writer of a song, it literally means she can write songs. I don't know what else it could mean?????

Posted by: Zak 24th October 2020, 02:23 PM

Not this turning into a stan war ��

This comment is entirely problematic but saying LM haven't had major success whilst bragging about Kylie selling 80 million in 33 years is a bit ridiculous. They're already on over 50 (maybe even 60 by now?) million in less than 9 years.

Posted by: Sour Candy 24th October 2020, 02:25 PM

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT

Seriously though, why people always start these wars between female artists and groups.

Posted by: Spiceboy 24th October 2020, 02:28 PM

Ah I didn't know that, I take my comment regarding that back then. The point I was trying to make is that Kylie is just as manufactured as Little Mix are, so trying to diminish Little Mix's achievements for being 'manufactured' while comparing to Kylie is just ridiculous.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 02:28 PM

Healthy competition...

It's all tongue n cheek (Well my comments are anyway)

Posted by: 777666jason 24th October 2020, 02:30 PM

Personally I would like to see LM get it , only 1 of their albums has actually got to number 1 so would be nice to see them get a second , but wouldnt mind kylie getting it if she did, both will sell more than most number 1s this year regardless

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 24th October 2020, 02:33 PM

I think with the head to head battle both will gain extra sales, I like both but love kylie and would love the number 1 for her to get that record of number 1s but for both they have had great success and careers and that wont change regardless of who debuts higher.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 02:37 PM

Urm..... She has, can and will continue to write songs. What a silly post.....

Posted by: 365 24th October 2020, 02:46 PM

Be careful...


Wow this fun and exciting chart battle between two legendary acts and Buzzjack favs has turned quite sour..

Posted by: iain 24th October 2020, 02:47 PM

Can you explain why you think Kylie doesn’t write her own songs when she’s credited as a co-writer? I’d be interested to hear your reasoning.

Posted by: Liam.k. 24th October 2020, 02:51 PM

Agreed. It should be a bit of fun and a throwback to when you often had unpredictable chart battles, yet it's turning into a stan war.

The most important thing is that both acts are releasing fantastic music. Either act are well-deserving of the #1.

Posted by: 365 24th October 2020, 02:55 PM

Period!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 24th October 2020, 03:00 PM

You do this every time.

Let's try this again. For example, the songs on Golden she has basically written all the lyrics for. The rest of the credits on the songs are for the musicians, producers etc. Not that I and others haven't tried to explain this to you countless times.

Also on Impossible Princess, she wrote ALL the lyrics and even had a hand in the musicianship on it too.

Posted by: Zak 24th October 2020, 04:05 PM

Seems this thread is spawning some toxicity. I'm dead at someone messaging me randomly attempting to drag LM for filth . Is it that serious luv. Can't wait to see the scenes at release week lmao

I quote:
"LIttle shèts are just instagram models turned into a pop "band" by Cowell. They aren't real singers. They also haven't SOLD 50 million. They got GIVEN MASSSSIVE PAYOLA!!! by Cowell and their contacts. Streams aren't the same as actually SELLING music. They will neeever eeeever be the spice girls. Get over it."

I see stan twitter is leaking.

Posted by: JosephStyles 24th October 2020, 04:07 PM

People doing stuff like this is making me root for Little Mix more (nothing against Kylie, I'm preferring her output this era to Little Mix's but I'm a big fan of both!!)

(Michael stop PM harassing people x)

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 04:08 PM

It's good banter!

Lets continue

Little Mix sold or was that streamed 50 million times? Does anyone actually own any Little Mix music or just playlists? ��

All I want is the album to listen to and to see Kylie on my TV some more. That's all.

Chart battles come and go and its all good fun and often brings out some good info that none of us knew before

Posted by: 365 24th October 2020, 04:14 PM

Little Mix are decent physical sellers, yes!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 04:24 PM

That I do not deny of course they are and that will win them this battle because they have matched Kylies bundles and more etc

But let's not deny figures of sales for any streaming artist are highly inflated, the ratios should be much much higher streams per sale ..... But not getting into that debate in this thread

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 04:25 PM

Not to mention that Kylie not only co-wrote Disco, she also set up her own studio and engineered half of it herself from her flat.

I actually would like to see a Little Mix and Kylie collab.

Posted by: 365 24th October 2020, 04:25 PM

I was just answering your question regarding their sales, they're not as big on physicals as Kylie usually (although it's hard to judge given the times of year they've all released in the past)

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 04:40 PM

Remember some Kylie fans are bitter. They can't help it.

I have banter and a laugh and love most music of all genres.

Not a fan of streaming added to charts especially albums but have to live with this for now etc. Or probably more I am not against streaming more against playlists dominated by record company influencers (one of which is Little Mix label)

Kylies music is supposed to be joyous. She produces bop after bop and this new stuff I have on replay. The quality at this stage of career is still fantastic as are the videos, the visuals, the effort. She could sell albums easily to her core fan base, but she still and the record company still try to go with the times which is great to see. She doesn't sit back on her back catologue and retire. Fingers crossed she can have a number 1 album not only in 2020s but dare I say in 2030 too

Little Mix fans, Kylie fans mean no harm, they just struggle sometimes in a social media world. They have been fighting her cause for 33 years and quite frankly seen it all!!! Comeback Kylie is about to comeback again ❤️

Posted by: iain 24th October 2020, 04:44 PM

Not the 2 versions of this thread already hitting 17 pages combined with 2 weeks to go to release...

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 04:54 PM

LOL Sorry but if you're going on about how Little Mix's win won't be justified because they haven't sold as many physicals that's ridiculous!

Kylie's team are trying everything to get her streams up!

The comments coming from Kylie fans everywhere I can't cope. I'm already getting the popcorn ready for release week.

I will honestly die If Little Mix end up selling more physicals in the first set of mids.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 04:59 PM

Don't think you actually read what people are posting.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 05:11 PM

I do you make points that are clearly insinuating certain things but then backtrack..

Posted by: 777666jason 24th October 2020, 06:18 PM

I own every album physically

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 08:42 PM

If you read my full post it was a joke and banter. Gosh lighten up

Posted by: 777666jason 24th October 2020, 08:57 PM

Yeah hence the quote af that line out of the whole post

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 08:59 PM

I dont mind if Kylie doesn't make it.

It means she will want to make another one to try and get it haha

Posted by: tgl92 24th October 2020, 09:07 PM

Kylie doesn’t deserve it. I hope Little Mix go to number 1.

Posted by: Cameron 24th October 2020, 09:13 PM

OMG this thread is a RIDE

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 09:15 PM

Sure is.

How did it even come about?

I mean why is there not a Ariana Grande v Sam Smith battle?

Posted by: Spiceboy 24th October 2020, 09:26 PM

This so much, playlists should have NO place on chart placing / sales etc. It's like counting radio play as you choose a station to listen to or a playlist to listen to and then listen to whatever is played.

Posted by: Spiceboy 24th October 2020, 09:28 PM

That's not a battle it's annihilation

Posted by: Zak 24th October 2020, 09:36 PM

If i am not mistaken, playlisting won't have as much of an effect on UK charts. The top 2 streamed tracks (likely the most playlisted) from each album are excluded when calculating streaming units.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 11:04 PM

You are mistaken.

Little Mix already have 5 songs off their album all over big playlists on Spotify

Kylie can't get any. She actually sends out tweets to Spotify, Deezer and Apple Music whenever they put her songs on a playlist. Bonkers

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 24th October 2020, 11:08 PM

You’re mistaken LM don’t have 5 tracks all over Spotify.

Honestly, Little Mix really aren’t big Streaming forces, compared to Kylie yes but not in the ‘current’ market.

Posted by: Fallin' Folklore 24th October 2020, 11:08 PM

omg I am so ready for the next couple weeks

Posted by: SmileyKylie 24th October 2020, 11:19 PM

I am actually more looking forward to seeing if BMG can manage to get Magic near or even into the official UK top 40 on release week as they managed with Dancing

Going to be very tough. Even a new peak will be good

Posted by: Zak 24th October 2020, 11:42 PM

That rule will still work in Kylie's favour since 2/3 of LMs hit singles won't be applied to their album units. Though I don't think that'll make a big difference since she won't get many streaming units anyway.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 25th October 2020, 12:30 AM

Their last album releases there was a big difference of over 6000-7000 range I think in sales. If they are selling similar physicals then that's a huge difference

Nothing streaming wise works in Kylies favourite, it's a huge disadvantage for her

Posted by: Grim Bréaper 25th October 2020, 02:49 AM

This thread will be fun to read back when, as has always been inevitable, Kylie wins comfortably. x

(and there is surely no way in which this post could backfire on me)

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 25th October 2020, 05:10 AM

Define "deserve"

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 25th October 2020, 05:14 AM

Honestly, much as I'm the world's bigget Kylie fan and want her to get it I'm so over this already.

Such toxicity on both sides.

Posted by: iain 25th October 2020, 08:27 AM

Drake has posted that his album is coming in January next year, and Adele has said that her album is not finished, so at this point I can’t see any surprise releases upsetting this chart battle!

Posted by: Lomadz 25th October 2020, 08:33 AM

Not a big fan of both although Little Mix have upped their game with this album! They will wipe the floor.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 25th October 2020, 10:37 AM

It will probably be

1 Little Mix
2 Kylie or Arianna
3 Kylie or Arianna
4 Sam Smith
5 Bruce Springsteen

? Something like that.

I just want to see more of the visuals of Kylie this era and hopefully she will promote into December etc.

She could easily release Disco Remixed in Jan to Mar and take the number 1 spot that way 😏

Posted by: miichaelking21 25th October 2020, 10:47 AM

personally I absolutely adore both acts, I went to see both their last tours and have both LM5 and Golden on vinyl.

But I really haven’t been utterly obsessed with any of the singles from Disco yet? I was kind of hoping for a glittery bee-gee’s / Donna summer / Dua Lipa take on disco, whilst everything dropped from Confetti I have been absolutely mad about.

I wouldn’t mind seeing either of them take the number one, but just from the material so far - is like to see Little Mix take it.

Posted by: Tafty 25th October 2020, 11:13 AM

I really hope we're wrong and it's SO CLOSE between them, coz I NEED Little Mix to discount their cassettes so I can buy one!!!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 25th October 2020, 12:05 PM

I think it will only be close if BMG have some limited edition released formats during the week and I don't think they will have... Maybe a picture disc but thru leave different formats for other weeks to spread out sales.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 05:00 AM

Gosh, Bruce did 37.6k in first three days! He is going to go get well over 50k on Friday.

I would be happy if Kylie can get 37.6k for the whole week.

Posted by: aeroco 27th October 2020, 08:38 AM

Great numbers for Bruce. Wonder what his pre orders were?

Also do we have the top selling albums and singles YTD anywhere.....can’t see them on the site?

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 09:16 AM

Signed Copy bought of Disco!

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TBC-Sunset/dp/B08LHWZZ1L/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?dchild=1&keywords=kylie+disco&qid=1603790243&sr=8-6

Posted by: Sour Candy 27th October 2020, 09:37 AM

https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-discussion/chart-analysis/10350547-ytd-albums-uk-sales-estimates/page6 has the album list, I don't think anyone has the up-to-date list of singles although the Q1-3 have been posted in the chart forum.

Posted by: aeroco 27th October 2020, 09:56 AM

Thanks, just had a look, gosh it's a tough time for album sales.

Posted by: ___∆___ 27th October 2020, 01:30 PM

Love that the signed copies of ‘Disco’ were available to UK only and sold out on Amazon, HMV and Townsend. Snatch up those extra sales Kylie

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 01:58 PM

Looks like Kylie has some kind of Radio 2 concert coming also.

Posted by: omrimayo 27th October 2020, 02:24 PM

In 40 minutes there are gonna be more on her site she just announce on Instagram!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 02:48 PM

3pm more Kylie signed CDs!!!!!

if she uses a different coloured pen we will all buy again hahaha

Posted by: 365 27th October 2020, 03:07 PM

Ooooh her team obviously saw how close the pre orders numbers were and chimed in. This is going to be SUCH an exciting and interesting chart battle!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 03:32 PM

All sold out again

Posted by: iain 27th October 2020, 03:36 PM

I think some of it will be how willing the respective teams are willing to engage in the battle during release week. It’s clear that both can sell a couple of thousand very quickly by signing copies, so I imagine there will be more of that during release week. Both Kylie and Little Mix did that during their last release week. I also wouldn’t be surprise to see reduced prices on iTunes and Amazon during the week to try and encourage sales.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 03:40 PM

I love it!

The more sales for Disco regardless of chart position is the best outcome

Posted by: SmileyKylie 27th October 2020, 03:57 PM

https://store.hmv.com/Store/Music/CD/Disco-Limited-Edition-Signed-Copies

More copies added on HMV

Posted by: SmileyKylie 28th October 2020, 05:55 PM

More signed albums

limited to 1 per person

https://store.hmv.com/store/music/cd/disco-limited-edition-signed-copies

Posted by: Calum 28th October 2020, 06:30 PM

Ffs I keep missing these

Posted by: bluebitchboy 28th October 2020, 07:02 PM

Kylie confirmed for a radio 2 performance, Graham Norton and the One Show during release week, so she has some good promo slots lined up.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 28th October 2020, 09:00 PM

You forgot her Global Livestream........🤭

Signed CDs sold out again

Posted by: SmileyKylie 28th October 2020, 09:42 PM

https://www.amazon.it/dp/B08LHWZZ1L/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_J5CMFbSGSB8SN

Still a signed copy on Italian Amazon

Posted by: No Sleeep 28th October 2020, 09:45 PM

Got a signed copy of Disco from HMV finally! I’ve only bought 3 CDs this year so the signed one really pushed me to buy it, Kylie better get that hand to work this week

Posted by: SmileyKylie 31st October 2020, 09:43 PM

All music shops going to be closed for this week's battle. Will possibly hit Kylie harder.

So it's streaming, downloads, online sales and maybe supermarket sales only.

Little Mix now have their show on Friday and Saturday of release week.

Funnily on 13th Nov when the number 1 will be announced both Kylie and Little Mix are booked for Children In Need ����

Posted by: Liam.k. 31st October 2020, 10:14 PM

Are they?

Posted by: jvckkk 1st November 2020, 12:15 AM

I don’t think music stores really make much difference to sales anymore - the same for this myth of supermarket mums buying albums on release week. It’ll probably come down to how effective their promo is as well as incentive purchases for their fanbases such as signed copies and new bundles.

Little Mix seem to want it more at the minute.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st November 2020, 06:18 PM

Well they are both mentioned in the trailer.....

Maybe Kylie won't perform but she did for Golden so would be surprised if she doesn't again

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st November 2020, 06:19 PM

How do Little Mix want it more?

Posted by: Dannyboy 1st November 2020, 06:31 PM

More desperate more like, 5 different covers is pure desperation and I remember years ago when I think JLS or another pop group did it they were slated on here, Little Mix do it and it’s all of a sudden ok 😂

Posted by: jvckkk 1st November 2020, 07:09 PM

Kylie as of yet hasn’t really done a great deal of promotion. Little Mix seem super hungry for it at the minute, but that might change come release week when Kylie is everywhere. The radio deal to promote the album she has with the Bauer group (Magic, Kiss FM etc) might help too.

There’s nothing desperate in shifting albums - that’s the idea.

Posted by: jlj 1st November 2020, 07:43 PM

Little Mix have only had one chart topping album so it may well be a bigger deal to them to get another one. They always release on busy weeks and just miss out! With Kylie she’d be also be setting a record if she gets the number one but if she just misses out I don’t think she’ll be quite as bothered by it. I’m happy for whoever gets it but I think Little Mix will end up getting it especially with HMV stores likely closing.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 1st November 2020, 07:45 PM

Super hungry ? Or just promoting there album that’s coming out very soon ?

Posted by: miichaelking21 1st November 2020, 07:54 PM

I don’t think you can critique Little Mix for the different covers as a supporting statement for Kylie who notoriously released a ridiculous amount of different types of cassettes / CDs / vinyls for Golden?

It’s a good tactic for artists with big fan bases like Kylie & LM to pull better sales.

Posted by: jvckkk 1st November 2020, 07:57 PM

It’s a big release for them - their first on their new label away from Simon. I imagine it would be a big deal to them to scoop it and that’s why they’re going the extra mile this time.

How it will pan out will be hard to tell until the midweeks start to come in.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st November 2020, 07:59 PM

'Notoriously? .... Please explain.

I can't remember that many to be honest..... No more than anyone else.

Posted by: 777666jason 1st November 2020, 08:21 PM

Yeah I remember kylie having a quite a few version's for golden so I dont see anything wrong with LM doing something similar

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st November 2020, 08:42 PM

Not that many to be honest.

I am more interested in the word 'Notorious' you use

Plus there are not that many fans that buy everything. They really don't make up large amounts of the sales

Posted by: Dannyboy 1st November 2020, 08:46 PM

Just think it’s hypocritical that it’s ok now yet years ago when other groups did it they were slated, double standard much.

Posted by: Court 1st November 2020, 08:53 PM

Well the times have changed and lots of artists issue multiple formats. Little Mix usually don’t release that many, but now that everyone else does, why shouldn’t they do the same and level the playing field?

Posted by: SmileyKylie 1st November 2020, 08:54 PM

Maybe Kylie will release more 🤭🤭🤭🤭

Posted by: Dannyboy 1st November 2020, 10:23 PM

I have no issue with multiple formats as it’s something different I suppose but just a different girl on the cover is a total cash grab a desperate just like it was years ago, no difference.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 1st November 2020, 10:33 PM

Sorry has anyone actually looked at how many versions and bundles Kylie has like the Amazon exclusive vinyl which is just a different colour so you can hardly make the argument that Little Mix are desperate.

Kylie’s team have tagged digital versions of the album onto single vinyls too!

Both artists are trying to get as many multiple formats to help sell the album in general I’m sure it’s the fans that are creating the ‘battle’ as such.

Posted by: Court 1st November 2020, 10:47 PM

It's all a cash grab, though. If record companies didn't care about cash they'd chuck albums on streaming services and call it a day. You think people started putting out cassettes recently because there was demand for that format? No, its a cheap way to sell more albums and make more money. Maybe it's desperate but the whole industry is desperate then.

Posted by: Calum 1st November 2020, 10:52 PM

This is (as far as I'm aware) pretty standard though, particularly when you have a band? One Direction released albums with each member given their own cover, The Vamps have released albums with each member having their own 'edition', 5SOS have released cassettes as recently as this year with each member having their own version, etc, etc. I guess it only becomes desperate when it's Little Mix and they're up against your favourite though.

Posted by: Liam.k. 1st November 2020, 11:02 PM

I think that's the point Dannyboy is making: it was seen as desperate when boybands did it but supposedly not so much now that Little Mix are doing it.

Posted by: Bré 1st November 2020, 11:20 PM

People on here are far too eager to label completely normal promotional tactics as 'desperate' lol ~

Posted by: Jay* 2nd November 2020, 03:36 AM

There's now another Disco format - deluxe blue marble double vinyl!

Disco's physical formats:

1 Standard CD (+ signed copies)
2 https://img.tmstor.es/kylie/66512-bfbf80c83a14c2b8c6c13adbc26090bf.png - Official Store Exclusive
3 https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71cTwjWFRuL._AC_SL1500_.jpg - Amazon/HMV
4 Cassette - Official Store Exclusive
5 Black Vinyl
6 Clear Vinyl - Official Store Exclusive
7 Blue Vinyl - HMV/Indie
8 Turquoise Vinyl - Amazon
9 Deluxe Blue Marble Double Vinyl - Spotify Top Listeners / Official Store Exclusive

(There's also an Amazon Black Friday Deluxe Double Vinyl forthcoming, but that's scheduled for 27th November)


A reminder of Confetti's physical formats:

1 Standard CD (+ signed copies)
2 Rainbow Glossed Digipak CD
3 Jade Gold Glitter Cassette - Official Store Exclusive
4 Jesy Red Glitter Cassette - Official Store Exclusive
5 Leigh-Anne Silver Glitter Cassette - Official Store Exclusive
6 Perrie Blue Glitter Cassette - Official Store Exclusive
7 Splatter Colour Vinyl - HMV/Official Store
8 Black Vinyl (+ signed copies)
9 Jade Picture Disc Vinyl - Official Store Exclusive
10 Jesy Picture Disc Vinyl - Official Store Exclusive
11 Leigh-Anne Picture Disc Vinyl - Official Store Exclusive
12 Perrie Picture Disc Vinyl - Official Store Exclusive

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 07:45 AM

Kylie being interviewed later by Zane Lowe for Apple Music

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 07:47 AM

Dont forget Kylie's Japanese Import available on 11th Dec

Posted by: Sour Candy 2nd November 2020, 08:12 AM

How could anyone forget that

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 09:27 AM

Kylie Minogue Disco release Promo starts on BBC Radio 2

They will play 4 live recordings which will be available on BBC Music Youtube channel straight after.

She will sing

Magic
Say Something
A Kylie Classic
A Cover of a Disco Classic

Get that promo started

Posted by: 365 2nd November 2020, 11:15 AM

Both artists are on 23 - 24k in preorders now and are projected to do approx 50k

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 2nd November 2020, 11:17 AM

Amazing for both!

Posted by: shindymindy 2nd November 2020, 11:28 AM

It’s going to be an interesting chart battle

Posted by: Gagamonster14 2nd November 2020, 11:41 AM

Little Mix.

Posted by: iain 2nd November 2020, 12:54 PM

If preorders are around the same, I think that Little Mix will get it. They have around an 8k streaming advantage that needs to be built in, I just don’t see Kylie selling 8k more physicals than Little Mix during release week.

Posted by: M4NGO 2nd November 2020, 01:06 PM

16 pages for a Little Mix v Kylie chart battle only on Buzzjack!

FTR I can't decide who's gonna win this, I think it's gonna be really close either way.

Posted by: 365 2nd November 2020, 01:06 PM

I think Little Mix's streaming might be a bit higher than last time round given they have 3 singles this time round instead of just one.

I just got an email from Spotify as a Kylie fan offering a new format, unless that's old news?

Posted by: bluebitchboy 2nd November 2020, 01:11 PM

Yeah Kylie has just announced a special edition double LP of 4,000 copies. I've brought it as the sound quality of double LPs is better than singles (plus it contains the 4 bonus tracks)

Posted by: Zak 2nd November 2020, 01:15 PM

That seems big for Kylie. Hope LM announce a few more tricks in the next week.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 01:20 PM

Kylie promo not started yet so still lots of people will have no idea she even has an album out.

of course HMV having 120 shops closed from Thursday + all the other independents being closed wont help sales for wither. but their online presence is very good

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 01:30 PM

Amazon Best Sellers

Both Kylie and Little Mix moving up quickly

Little Mix

9 Standard CD
64 Deluxe CD
68 Signed CD

Kylie

17 Deluxe CD
27 Turquoise Vinyl
74 Standard CD

Posted by: Dannyboy 2nd November 2020, 01:49 PM

Evidence ?

Posted by: Tafty 2nd November 2020, 02:04 PM

Sometimes when someone who has reliable insider info (and has rarely been proven wrong), they can be trusted without a source. He can't exactly direct you to a verbal or even private email (however he got it) conversation he had with a friend of his.

Either believe it or don't, that is up to you (and that's for anyone else too). There's no need to be rude when he has info he doesn't have to share, especially as it's well known he has inside info on a lot of things.

Posted by: shindymindy 2nd November 2020, 02:30 PM

This

Posted by: jimwatts 2nd November 2020, 02:36 PM

The poll result has gone from 60:40 to 75:56
i.e. last 31 voters 16:15 in favour of Little Mix

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 02:41 PM

i still think Little Mix with their Little Streamers

i just want a big sales total for Kylie of over 40k and also for her to showcase her music in the many promo slots in the next few months

Posted by: shindymindy 2nd November 2020, 02:49 PM

The fact that they have the same amount of preorders already goes to show that LM are not relying on streaming for this as much as you make it sound.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 02:55 PM

i am not saying that. i didn't say they are reliant.

what i am saying is, if it stays neck and neck like it is at the moment then Little Mix streaming numbers would probably win them the battle.

who knows what will happen yet.

Posted by: Bjork 2nd November 2020, 03:03 PM

one will lose, but sure these chart battles work when it comes to sell more records

Posted by: iain 2nd November 2020, 03:55 PM

Yeah if they both sell a little over 50k as projected, they could quite easily have the top 2 weekly sales of the year so far. Which makes them being released in the same all the more frustrating!

Posted by: edneyguerra 2nd November 2020, 04:05 PM

I dont think little mix has 25k in pre-orders

Posted by: Anth 2nd November 2020, 04:10 PM

This pretty much confirms they do

Posted by: Sour Candy 2nd November 2020, 04:24 PM

Bruce Springsteen had 37.6k in the first miss, he ended up selling 51.8k. I don't think 25k of pre-orders take especially Kylie to 50k yet. Little Mix might do it with stronger streaming.

Posted by: bluebitchboy 2nd November 2020, 04:36 PM

Kylie doubled her sales from the first midweek with Golden from 24k to 48k.

Posted by: Liam.k. 2nd November 2020, 05:32 PM

That 37.6k for Bruce includes three days of sales as well as pre orders.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 2nd November 2020, 06:09 PM

Ariana 13.5k
Sam Smith 12.9k
Cliff 10.9k

Midweeks


Kylie could have released this week and won hands down 🤭🤭

It's all about sales at the moment in q4.

Go Kylie and BMG

Posted by: Dark Horse 2nd November 2020, 07:02 PM

yes she chose the most difficult week....

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 3rd November 2020, 01:53 AM

I hate that kylie is releasing on such a tough week.

Posted by: Liam.k. 3rd November 2020, 01:59 AM

I can see why Kylie's team chose November 6th to release, assuming they were aware of what albums would be released when way back in July. It would be too risky to go ahead the likes of Bruce Springsteen, Ariana Grande and AC/DC, whereas it was perhaps assumed Little Mix would prove less competition due to coming off the back of arguably an underperforming album. Obviously Little Mix have turned it around big time since then.

Posted by: KM AIR 3rd November 2020, 02:02 AM

I’m pretty confident Kylie has got this in the bag !

Posted by: Tafty 3rd November 2020, 02:43 AM

I'm not even sure they knew LM were releasing! I'd probably say what you just described, was probably what went through LM labels minds aha. I assume Ariana definitely wasn't announced or even spoken about at the time where Kylie's album went up for pre-order, whereas even just rumblings and murmurs in the industry around the time LM put their pre-order up, was probably enough for them to delay until the week after (Ari has a v similar fanbase/target market and obviously AC/DC were going to be ones to avoid at ALL costs).

This is the first time LM have had as many multiple formats and bundles available. So they knew they had to up their game up against Kylie, I think.

I'm excited to see what numbers they can both do though. Should boost weekly sales up quite a bit I imagine, even with retailers shutting. I've held off on some LM formats (I want a cassette) in the hopes that they both get into a discounting battle and reduce their stuff! (I've secured a signed album from Amazon, but I'm ready to buy some more aha)

P.s. I'm predicting Kylie's team to reduce but LM team won't budge, which is gonna infuriate me! Especially as their cassettes are expensive compared to what the likes of Kylie and Dua are doing/have done them for! (On top of that ridiculous P+P price!!)

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EDIT: Also I am AGOG at the amount of votes in this poll I've been on this site for nearly 13 years and I don't think I've seen a poll have so many votes!?

Posted by: Liam.k. 3rd November 2020, 02:52 AM

Yeah maybe it was that way for Little Mix instead, I was unsure how far in advance people in the industry were aware of what will be released when, presumably much earlier than when the release dates are made available publicly.

It's definitely an exciting time to be a pop fan if you take this all as a bit of silly fun. It's not often we get these big chart battles anymore and I assume both acts will end up selling more in their first weeks than they would without the battle. I can definitely see both surpassing 50k which is fantastic for both acts. The cherry on the cake is that both albums are probably going to be among the best releases of the year and perhaps even of the respective artists' careers (for me at least) - what more could you ask for!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 3rd November 2020, 04:42 AM

Let's try get Kylie over 35-40k first please 😜
None of this 50k dream yet until we listen to the album and see how people react in midweeks, even with good pre orders lol.

People were saying 60k for Ariana and 50k for Sam so....

Posted by: Liam.k. 3rd November 2020, 05:01 AM

Difference is we actually know how Kylie and Little Mix are performing on pre-orders. I can't see them only adding 10k to their first week sales.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 3rd November 2020, 07:28 AM

well i have only heard from someone on here so who knows how many she has sold. Until i see some solid info .......

i have also heard a lot of people cancelling orders to order something different + the shops all closed (though will re-open in wales i think and Scotland still open?). not getting my hopes up. would rather be suprised than disappointed

latest Amazon Best Sellers currently


Little Mix
9 Standard CD
37 Deluxe CD
48 Signed CD

Kylie
15 Deluxe CD
31 Turquoise Vinyl
57 Standard CD

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 3rd November 2020, 09:15 AM

Those pre order numbers I believe include all preorders so not all of those will count towards the UK chart...

I’m sure that’s the case from the official websites of LM and Kylie so potentially there’s a few thousand to come off each.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 3rd November 2020, 10:25 AM

So you are saying Kylie and Little Mix both have 23-24k of pre-orders and you are going to only take 2k off each for international pre-orders? that cannot be correct.......

i think Golden had 24k pre-orders in UK so i suspect Disco should start at least over 20k

Posted by: jlj 3rd November 2020, 11:46 AM

This poll is very interesting! I swear at first it was like 80% Kylie but it seems the votes now are going to Little Mix which is making it closer.

What an exciting week. I think next week will be one of the most infamous / famous weeks on this site tbh. The Friday Chart Predictions thread is already looking iconic.

Posted by: Steve201 3rd November 2020, 02:53 PM

Haha I know LM and Kylie in one week, imagine Ariana was thrown into the mix too, BJ would be in meltdown

Posted by: Bré 3rd November 2020, 03:46 PM

Little Mix pulling off a seemingly bigger hit with 'Sweet Melody' is poking a bit of a hole in my reasoning for being so confident about Kylie getting #1.

Nonetheless, I've been stubborn for this long, I'm not changing now - Kylie still coming for an easy #1!!!!!!!

Posted by: Bjork 3rd November 2020, 04:32 PM

^hahaha I'm exactly the same

Posted by: SmileyKylie 3rd November 2020, 05:00 PM

The shops being closed just scares me for Kylie.

I know people keep saying they are unimportant but at this time of year people shopping at weekend and casual purchases after TV Promo on a Friday etc must happen. Hopefully people do a lot of shopping on amazon still and grab one or two.

Posted by: slowdown73 3rd November 2020, 06:48 PM

Do Amazon sales count towards the charts?

Posted by: Bré 3rd November 2020, 07:56 PM

Why would they not...?

Posted by: SmileyKylie 3rd November 2020, 09:04 PM

Of course

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 3rd November 2020, 09:15 PM

Great to see so many votes cast in this poll.

Posted by: Andrew. 3rd November 2020, 09:20 PM

Doesn’t mean much with like 3000 votes but can someone change mine from Kylie to Little Mix x

My final prediction before release with some Max/mins x:
Little Mix - 33k pure sales (anything from 26k to 40k) + 9k streams (8-11k) = 42k (34-51k)
Kylie - 39k pure sales (33-45k) + 2k streams (1.5k-3k) = 39k (34.5k-48k)

Posted by: ___∆___ 3rd November 2020, 10:03 PM

Amazon Overall Charts

Little Mix

Standard CD #10
Deluxe CD #40
Vinyl #837

Kylie

Deluxe CD #18
Amazon Vinyl #30
Standard CD #64
Vinyl 2,668

iTunes Pre-Orders

Little Mix

Standard #2

Kylie

Deluxe #3
Standard #135

HMV Pre-Order Chart

Little Mix

Limited Vinyl #5
Deluxe CD #13
Standard CD #14
Standard Vinyl #122

Kylie

Limited Vinyl #2
Signed CD #3 (Now Sold Out)
Deluxe CD #18
Standard CD #22

Posted by: Dark Horse 3rd November 2020, 11:24 PM

Kylie has always been unlucky when it comes to charts... she has had the most number 2s on both the singles & album charts and so many of them could’ve gone to number 1 if released the right week... this week is another case of that bad luck, had she decided to release any other week DISCO wouldve been an easy number 1 but she chose to go ahead and release it with one of the biggest artists in the UK , Litte Mix...
My predictions are : Little Mix 47k, Kylie 42k

Posted by: oof 3rd November 2020, 11:33 PM

It's going to be incredibly close but either way it will be massively deserved - Disco and Confetti both serves.

Posted by: shindymindy 4th November 2020, 09:48 AM

iTunes preorder

Little Mix - 1
Kylie - 4

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th November 2020, 01:48 PM

Yep Kylie needs her promo to work. To be honest most of the general public will not have a clue she has an album coming out yet

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 4th November 2020, 02:25 PM

I still think this is going to be really close..

Even if Kylie or LM seem ahead in the first update, I sense a battle to the wire.

Little Mix's album really is one of their best SO MANY Bops so I think this will work in it's favour as it feels very Glory Days ERA in hype.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th November 2020, 03:35 PM

Come Through Kylie Ann Minogue

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th November 2020, 03:37 PM

Ain't bothrered about the Chart Battle now. LM will probably win

Now I am bothered about sales generation during Lockdown and Kylie being fit and healthy and ready to promote the hell out of it.

Can't wait to listen

Posted by: bluebitchboy 4th November 2020, 04:15 PM

Kylie would need to be ahead in the first midweek if she is to win, I would imagine. Little mix likely to make gains through streaming. Will be interesting to see how the weeks promo helps Kylie.

Posted by: Chapman 4th November 2020, 04:19 PM

After seeing Ariana and Sam's underperformance this week I'm going to revise my sales predictions-

1. Kylie 42k
2. Little Mix 38k

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 4th November 2020, 05:08 PM

This is a Biden Trump size battle.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 4th November 2020, 05:09 PM

Little Mix just dropped the album track 'Confetti' AND IT IS INSANE...

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 4th November 2020, 05:21 PM

I hope it won't be as agonisingly drawn out!

Posted by: 365 4th November 2020, 05:34 PM

Why am I finding this one hard to believe

Posted by: SmileyKylie 4th November 2020, 06:03 PM

No seriously. I have given the win to LM already.

I just want to see Kylie on the TV enjoying herself and cheering people up and hopefully getting some good sales too .

Posted by: dazm 4th November 2020, 09:53 PM

As much as I want Kylie to hit Number 1 with Disco, its more important to me that its an amazing album with all the tracks I adore so I can enjoy listening to it for years to come. Two of my favourite Kylie albums - Kylie Minogue and Body Language didn't hit number 1.

Anyway - I hope she does both - delivers a classic and it debuts at No 1!!!

Posted by: SmileyKylie 5th November 2020, 10:07 AM

Can we start a new thread for the start of the Chart Battle with a new poll of how many we think each artist will sell of CD, Vinyl, Cassette, Downloads and Streaming?


i am also looking to see if we can get new peaks for Kylie singles Say Something and Magic.

Posted by: caseclosed 5th November 2020, 01:09 PM

Think Kylie will put much more of an effort during release week and will likely win this.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 5th November 2020, 03:35 PM

Kiwi Itunes

1 Confetti
2 Disco

Posted by: ___∆___ 5th November 2020, 04:05 PM

Amazon Main Chart

Confetti -

Standard CD #9
Deluxe CD #27
Vinyl #1002

DISCO -

Deluxe CD #10
Amazon Exclusive Vinyl #24
Standard CD #31
Standard Vinyl #1387

Posted by: iain 5th November 2020, 06:45 PM

The Disco reviews have been...surprisingly good, with a meta critic score of 81 so far.

https://www.metacritic.com/music/disco/kylie-minogue

Posted by: slowdown73 5th November 2020, 06:49 PM

That’s possibly the highest score achieved for a Kylie album on that site!

Posted by: iain 5th November 2020, 07:14 PM

Annoyingly people are reporting they’ve had emails of up to a month delay for some of the Kylie deluxe editions and Little Mix cassettes.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 5th November 2020, 07:23 PM

Yeah Little Mix cassettes are delayed..

Most of the bundles had cassettes in too so that's not ideal unless they ship the bundle and do the cassette to follow I guess?

Posted by: SmileyKylie 5th November 2020, 07:50 PM

Do they still all count for this week's sales ? 🧐

Posted by: iain 5th November 2020, 08:04 PM

Presumably they won’t count until they are dispatched.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 5th November 2020, 08:24 PM

Kylie Promo for Friday 6th

Radio 2 with Zoe Ball - 4 songs recorded and filmed and will be on BBC YouTube music channel
10am Greatest Hits Radio with Mark Goodier
Gaydio interview

5pm Facebook listening party and Q and A with Kylie

10.45pm Graham Norton interview and performance


+ Good morning America performance

Posted by: Bré 5th November 2020, 09:03 PM

STOP THE COUNT!

Posted by: Liam.k. 5th November 2020, 09:44 PM

The election is clearly the second most important thing to be happening right now.

Posted by: SmileyKylie 5th November 2020, 10:28 PM

D.I.S.C.O

Posted by: spiceboy 5th November 2020, 10:42 PM

Posted by: Dark Horse 5th November 2020, 11:34 PM

I was just listening to Kylie’s DISCO and as a huge massive fan of hers since the beginning i have to admit that DISCO is by far her best most complete album ever...