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Posted by: Jonjo Jun 23 2015, 11:58 PM

AMC have just debuted their Comic Con teaser poster. So things are going to be out and about very soon!



http://static3.uk.businessinsider.com/image/5589d0ebdd089561018b460e-1200-924/the-walking-dead-season-6-keyart.jpg. TOO BIG FOR THE POST.

Where would you guys like to see this season go? How much will this season intertwine with the spin off show, none of it?

I'm so pumped. I know it's usually hit & miss with a lot of people, but it's hands down my favourite TV series ever. I can even find something I like about the slower paced episodes!

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 24 2015, 06:34 AM

It has been fantastic since they left Woodbury, imo, and I've loved it ever since

Posted by: Steve D Jun 25 2015, 07:58 PM

It's not going to link with the spin off as the spin off is set right at the beginning of the apocalypse.

Posted by: Rooney Jun 25 2015, 08:15 PM

Think the idea though is that characters from the spin-off may pop up in the main series later on, in cameo roles at least.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 26 2015, 06:24 AM

They can time jump if they want and I hope they do, eventually. I don't think I'd want to keep watching a spin-off that's so behind the original series (I keep forgetting how much time has passed since the apocalypse. A couple of years?).

Posted by: Rooney Jun 26 2015, 11:10 AM

I think it will be more the line of we see a character fighting who disappears, then they show up for a cameo in the main show. It might even be a character who was good in the spin-off, but then turns bad (e.g. maybe one of the antagonists in Season 6 of the main show).

The concept of the spin-off will be interesting I think, will be good to see how people react to the first days of the virus.

Posted by: Kath Jul 12 2015, 12:08 AM

Really starting to get quite excited about the next series of TWD!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txylxp92Fxk

Posted by: Zondra Jul 12 2015, 11:43 AM

Michonne to continue to slay all the basics please.

Posted by: harryflynn0908 Jul 12 2015, 02:04 PM

Excited for this

Posted by: Cody Slayberry Jul 13 2015, 03:21 AM

THIS.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jul 13 2015, 11:38 PM

Carol > Michonne. There, I said it.

Posted by: troublepink Jul 24 2015, 07:48 AM

Looking forward to this

I've only just caught up with season 5 and i'm looking forward to the spin off too, i wonder if they could do more spin offs though, like maybe what happened when the virus reaches europe

Posted by: Zondra Jul 24 2015, 12:16 PM

That's like choosing between two 11s tho.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jul 24 2015, 01:01 PM

Fair point!

Posted by: Breauxnderella Jul 24 2015, 02:31 PM

Carol >>>> Michonne has been true for like two seasons now.

Posted by: Jonjo Oct 12 2015, 09:40 PM

Brilliant opener, again! So tense and seeing that amount of Zombies at one time was truly terrifying. I really thought we'd lose a couple more though, but I guess they're saving them all. So excited to see where they go with this season and to see whether they'd be able to stop the antagonists, whoever they will be!

Posted by: Mart!n Oct 12 2015, 09:50 PM

Wow, amazing opener, I was really drawn into it, the black and white scenes really blended well, it was like telling a story before and after. I hear Negan will be making an appearance this season, will be introduced in the finale episode of season 6, a character taken from the comic book. (Google it)

Posted by: (Zach) Oct 12 2015, 10:26 PM

7/10 It exceeded my expectations and I like that stuff actually happened in this episode. It did take me a good 20 minutes to realize there was a time difference between the color and black & white though. I would've liked more Carol, Michonne, and Glen but Rick was much better in this episode and I was happy with the overall lack of Carl

Posted by: Lavern Wondertit Oct 12 2015, 11:19 PM

Is it true about the ratings? Jesus christ if it is.

Posted by: Jonjo Oct 12 2015, 11:35 PM

Dunno. What are these supposed numbers? Been looking everywhere for them, but can't find anything yet!

Posted by: Kath Oct 13 2015, 05:21 PM

I'm sticking with it as I want to see who sounded that horn at the end of the episode. On the whole though - that could have been done in less than 70 minutes - it was very, very slow and a little bit boring.

Yes I know I'm in the minority in thinking that - but for me it just gets a bit worse with every series.

Posted by: Rooney Oct 13 2015, 05:45 PM

Nowhere near as good as the Season 5 opener. I don't mind the 'slower' episodes, but wasn't a massive fan of the premiere. The black and white scenes didn't really cut it for me. There's so many characters about as well, not even sure what is the point of some of them, unless they're saving them for zombie bait.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Oct 17 2015, 06:01 AM

I wasn't very fond of the b&w scenes either. They were hard to follow for the first 40 minutes.

Posted by: Jonjo Oct 19 2015, 07:04 PM

CAROL!!! *.*

Posted by: The Grim Reaper Oct 19 2015, 09:01 PM

Carol kicks arse, that would have made a great first episode of the series. The Wolfs are going to be heavily featured in this series.

Posted by: Kath Oct 19 2015, 11:02 PM

That episode was so much better than the opener last week. Melissa McBride is fantastic.

Posted by: Jaÿ Oct 19 2015, 11:16 PM

Carol continues to be flawless.

Posted by: jase. Oct 20 2015, 12:04 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/10/19/theres-proof-the-walking-dead-showed-us-a-spy-last-night/

Is Enid a spy for the Wolves?

Posted by: Lavern Wondertit Oct 20 2015, 12:10 AM

I think its pretty obvious she is. She basically said it to Carl when they were in the house.

Posted by: Hayzayy Oct 24 2015, 06:06 PM

I am so GLAD ayer watching episode 2 ! It was so intense, and it really gets me back into it

Posted by: Steve D Oct 26 2015, 06:28 AM

OMG

Posted by: Jonjoltergeist👻 Oct 26 2015, 12:11 PM

I don't want it to be true. He fell under the body!!!!!!!11!1 Please don't be true. The reaction suggests it is though

Posted by: Scary Spice Oct 26 2015, 04:10 PM

I don't think he's dead.

Posted by: Steve D Oct 26 2015, 06:03 PM

Have you guys seen it yet?

Posted by: Scary Spice Oct 26 2015, 08:03 PM

Yep, I've seen it but that scene was vague - the camera angle was interestingly placed. I think those guts were most likely the other guy's, the one who shot himself (I forget his name), and presumably he landed on top of Glenn after they fell. Glenn was seen to be distressed & crying, clearly, but his expression didn't seem to be "omg I'm being disembowelled ;0" (lol). No blood was coming from his mouth. Compare Glenn's face to the other guy who got killed after failing to climb up the chain-mail fence to safety. I think it's entirely possible that "other guy" was shielding Glenn from the walkers - that his guts/blood may be protecting Glenn, due to the walkers not being able to determine a living person when they smell like a walker. Also, with the camera panning away to see all the walkers, we essentially don't know 100% what Glenn's fate is.

Yes, it's quite farfetched that Glenn would survive completely unscathed from this, not be scratched or bitten at all, but then of course the entire premise of the show is unrealistic already, haha. To kill off a main character in the third episode would certainly be shocking and unpredictable, but I just get the sense that this is a "fake-out".

Also, The Talking Dead did not say that Glenn is definitely dead. Unlike previous departed characters, there was no section of "mourning" for Glenn (so I've read). AMC also issued a statement about Glenn which makes the whole thing unclear too:

“Dear fans of ‘The Walking Dead,’ this is a hard story to tell and when we were planning to tell it, we knew our friends at the ‘Talking Dead would be talking to you about it. And knowing you’d all be talking and feeling and commiserating, I knew we should say something about it, lest our silence say something we didn’t mean to say or not say. So I’ll say this: In some way, we will see Glenn, some version of Glenn, or parts of Glenn again, either in flashback or in the current story, to help complete the story.”

So... hmm. It'll be interesting to see what happens. Not 100% confirming Glenn's death now in the same manner of the other characters is very suspicious though.

Overall it was a very shocking and gripping episode, also some horrible deaths for two characters we didn't know beyond that episode. This season is amazing so far!

Posted by: The Grim Reaper Oct 26 2015, 10:02 PM

Wow, what an episode, better than the opening episode, the only thing that wasn't explained the horn bit at the end of the first episode where did that come from.

As for Glenn I think he is still alive, otherwise his demise his different from the comic version, he does come a cropper eventually at the hands of Negan in the comic version

Posted by: Toby Myers Oct 26 2015, 10:06 PM

That was explained right away in the second episode.

BUT OMG THO

Posted by: Scary Spice Oct 27 2015, 01:06 AM

Also, Rick - HOW HE GON' GET OUTTA THERE???

Posted by: Kath Oct 28 2015, 01:01 PM

I thought it was a very gory episode not necessarily a good episode. Nowhere nearly as good as last week's. Maybe it'll alternate - one week bad, one week good.

Posted by: Boom!!! Nov 2 2015, 10:18 PM

Considering that was a very light episode that was really good, it just fills the blanks behind Morgan's character, good episode.

Posted by: Kath Nov 2 2015, 11:49 PM

John Carroll Lynch was the sole redeeming part of that episode. I really still don't give a fig about Morgan. He's as boring as he ever was (and equally adept at getting good people killed as Rick is - no wonder they were once friends).

Posted by: toby Nov 3 2015, 12:09 AM

Why can't the good characters( Michonne, Carol, Darryl, Maggie, Sasha) get stand alone episodes? we know sweet f*** all about what Maggie is doing.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 3 2015, 12:17 AM

Yeah, I found that episode boring overall. By all means show his back story, but it really didn't require a whole hour.

Posted by: Kath Nov 3 2015, 12:23 AM

I really did like the Eastman character though. When he was telling the story about the guy who killed his family - it was ever (ever) so slightly reminiscent of Quint telling the story of the Indianapolis in Jaws (my favourite part of that film). I found myself rooting more for him than for Morgan (who quite frankly is a bit of a liability). I found Tabitha the Goat more root-worthy than Morgan.

I just don't get the Morgan adoration ... I just don't.

Posted by: Focus On Cody Nov 3 2015, 01:08 AM

This episode was just a basic filler episode, nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 3 2015, 08:09 AM

This was a real love it or hate it episode.

For me I wasn't a fan. Some amazing acting, and it was good to fill in the backstory, but I don't get why it was feature length.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 3 2015, 03:35 PM

http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/305b575c52/the-12-most-ridiculous-things-from-last-night-s-the-walking-dead?_cc=S_d___&_ccid=5t7lzm.nx7m99
The 12 Most Ridiculous Things From Last Night's 'The Walking Dead'

Accurate / hilarious.

Posted by: Kath Nov 3 2015, 07:27 PM

Love that! Especially number 12! The one about the soup and the bullet was chuckle-worthy too! Definitely more interesting than the episode itself!

Posted by: (Zach) Nov 7 2015, 08:35 PM

To put an episode like that directly after the Glenn episode was all kinds of wrong.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 7 2015, 08:41 PM

I think Glenn is dead and he should be dead but I don't know what writers decided in the end. He should at least get bitten somewhere. You can't get out of THAT completely unharmed even if someone else is on top of you.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Nov 7 2015, 09:41 PM

He's out of the opening credits, so he's certainly gone.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 7 2015, 09:52 PM

Or just a ploy to keep us all guessing. I'm sure when Lori was killed off on Season 3 her name was still in the credits until the the mid-season break. Weird move, can't see Glenn being dead... yet.

Posted by: Jonjoltergeist👻 Nov 8 2015, 12:05 AM

Yeah. They kept people on the credits when they killed them off. So it kind of confirms that, if anything, Glenn is still alive imo.

Posted by: Kath Nov 9 2015, 11:56 PM

Well it was good to see an episode that featured one of the better characters more (Aaron) but at the end of the day - another filler episode. Looks like next week's one may be good though - Abe, Sacha and Daryl.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 10 2015, 06:13 PM

It was a complete filler episode, though I did like some of the character development. I've not read the comics, but so obvious that the walkers are gonna get inside Alexandria!! (well we want that to happen!). Really wondering what the point is of some of the characters? Tara and Rosita just seem to be there and hold no purpose.. just given a few lines every now and then.

Where was Eugene and Carol? I thought they were in Alexandria?

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 11 2015, 10:32 PM

The cast is far far too big now. You can go basically 3 episodes and not see someone these days. Tara is already showing her baby bump even though they are trying to hide it.

Posted by: Kath Nov 11 2015, 11:43 PM

The cast is far too big with a load of people you just don't care about. Just when you start to care about a character (as I have with the young girl who has taken on the role of doctor) that character will get killed off in a silly, senseless manner!

In short ... TWD is just a pile of pants at the moment.

Posted by: Jonjeur East 🎷 Nov 12 2015, 01:46 AM

It was a very filler episode, but strong filler. It served a purpose (in that it was actually building characters and not just doing it for "art" or whatever context it's called) and I thought some of the scenes were really touching. Specifically with Maggie/Aaron. Nice to see Carl get featured a bit more too (even if it was a pathetic "slap fight"!) I don't get everyone's disdain towards his character. Can't wait to see some of the less important characters get attacked again though. We need a bit of a culling. Go back to basics. Rosita needs to stay though. <3 There's potential in her, she's kind of a more gutsy version of Beth!

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 12 2015, 03:50 AM

The walkers that appeared out of the water in the sewer were very menacing! ;o

I really enjoyed all the Maggie/Aaron scenes. I didn't think the episode was all that bad overall. Next week's looks like it'll be a very exciting one.

I wonder whose blood was oozing down the wall at the end?

Posted by: Rooney Nov 12 2015, 07:13 PM

At first I thought it was the woman in charges son, but I don't think that would be a big enough cliffhanger.

My guess is it was walker blood. Not sure how, but so obvious they will break in towards the end of this half of the season.

Posted by: (Zach) Nov 14 2015, 03:04 AM

I agree with the above comments regarding cast size. By the time they circle back to any given character you've basically forgotten about them. The only characters I really care about at this point are Carol, Michonne, and Glenn. Rick's storyline has sort of reached its shelf life and Daryl has always been overrated. He hasn't done anything interesting in quite some time.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 14 2015, 08:32 AM

I can't wait for them to break in *.* (lol, I know I'm supposed to be rooting for the vast majority of the cast, but I would appreciate a culling at this point).

I agree about Daryl, Zach, he's been useless for a while now. In fact I don't even care much about Rick anymore, if at all. I was a bit "yawn" that they didn't show him escaping the RV, so we're just meant to take for granted that he's invincible enough to escape that situation & run back to Alexandria in the nick of time. The whole thing about whether he's suitable to be leader or not is getting a bit tiring too... whatever happens, whatever he decides be it good or bad, he still winds up staying as the leader anyway (while Michonne is right there being superior in every way~). As a protagonist, Rick is dull and predictable. I couldn't care less about him having a love interest either. :/

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 14 2015, 10:00 AM

The trouble is not only is the cast too big certain characters have become un-killable now. Rick is never going to die unless he wants to leave so any storyline involving him is pretty much pointless now. Same with Daryl. The characters likely to be offed the next couple of seasons, Rosita, Tara, Eugene etc we barely see and thus just don't care enough about them.

They are having a really hard time introducing new characters that anyone cares about these days too, of all the people at the ASZ only Aaron I could give a shit about.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Nov 14 2015, 12:49 PM

I agree with the comment above. Rick, Daryl, Carol and Michonne have a huge fanbase now and there would be an uprising if they were killed.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 14 2015, 01:32 PM

I expect the writers have toyed with the idea of killing off Daryl, but his fanbase is way too big. There would be literal internet riots if he was killed off.

Posted by: Kath Nov 14 2015, 03:47 PM

I honestly don't think that Daryl would be missed if they did kill him off now. A few series ago maybe - but you overestimate Norman Reedus's fanbase. You're right in that there would be much gnashing of teeth on the internet - but I doubt the series would suffer too much (with regard to viewers). Don't get me wrong - he was the main reason I started watching TWD but I've just become so interested in other characters lately (as Daryl has done nothing since the beginning of this series) that I certainly wouldn't miss him. Carol does it for me now - I think if she was killed off I would lose all interest and Abraham is far likable than Daryl at the moment. Aaron is a good addition too.

If anything is contributing to a loss of viewers (I believe the figures for this series are down - only natural I suppose for a series that has gone on as long as it has) its the rather poor writing.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 15 2015, 08:32 PM

If they ever kill off Carol I will be headlining that internet riot tbh.

Posted by: Severin Nov 17 2015, 11:10 AM

I think the biggest problem the show has long term is that the whole premise of the show leaves it with few paces to go in terms of plot. How long can you continue to have this set up - group wanders US looking for safety and fleeing zombies, group finds 'safe haven', safety is compromised by people/zombies, group on the move again, group finds safe haven, safety is compromised, repeat ad nauseum.

Yeah you can mix it up a little but it soon becomes all too familiar.


Fear The Walking Dead actually has more scope right now for interesting plots even if they haven't fully realised that.



My theory is that they will be looking to wind up TWD soon andunless they decide to leave it open ended the increasing appearance of zombies so heavily decayed that they're barely able to function will be their get out. Sooner or later the zombies have to rot away to nothing.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 17 2015, 01:54 PM

Last nights ep was terrible. I disagree with the person above, it is just laziness that they don't have the characters explore different things. No one has headed to a lake/sea for a boat, they haven't gone on a serious road trip to somewhere new to see if there is a big safe haven etc.

There is plenty of scope but they seem determined to keep to a certain area and certain storylines.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 17 2015, 07:02 PM

This will last for 10 seasons. I think by that point the cast negotiations will be too much, but the show is still a monster so it will get milked for all it's worth.

The last episode was OK. The problem the show has it is relying us to care about characters who we barely know. It's difficult because the show needs to follow the source material, but the source material is a lot more forgiving with the amount of characters there are!

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 24 2015, 01:55 PM

Not sure whether I should do spoiler tags or not. I'll just leave a gap, be spoiled at your own risk~













































Most of us saw it coming - Glenn is alive.

The tower has fallen down & the walkers are IN... *.* I can't wait for the mid season finale! Any predictions re: who will die?

Posted by: Cody Slayberry Nov 24 2015, 05:19 PM

I just wanna know what that one dude with the gun was doing behind Carl.

Glenn and Enid will probably save the day just in time.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 24 2015, 06:24 PM

I can't see anyone major dying, maybe Tara cos she randomly got a few lines and is also massively pregnant!

Imagine the kid will try to shoot Carl and will either get killed, or Carl will kill him. Expect there to probably be a few minor characters killed, then Daryl and co will come and help to save the day!

Posted by: Jonjeur East 🎷 Nov 24 2015, 06:55 PM

Agreed. I'm thinking the other guy will draw on Carl and Enid will perhaps shoot him, before he shoots Carl? Aparently something happens in the comics which could play out. (I don't know what as I don't read the comics and try and avoid potential spoilers)

Posted by: Severin Nov 24 2015, 07:31 PM

It would be hilarious if Glenn came back only to have Maggie die

Posted by: Conderella Nov 24 2015, 08:30 PM

I thought of that but surely they won't kill an unborn child (yet)?

Posted by: Steve D Nov 24 2015, 08:32 PM

I think it's a big possibility Maggie is going to die. It saves them from having to deal with another pregnancy storyline. She's just received the sign that shows Glenn is alive and now she dies. I also think Carl will get shot in the eye. I also think most of the Alexandrians will die.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 25 2015, 07:29 AM

a bit bloodthirsty aren't ya

Posted by: True Qween Nov 25 2015, 04:34 PM

I really like Tara. She's played by a more than capable actress, she just needs more screentime. I also really like that lesbian doctor(i can never remember her name)

The producers seem to think everyone adores Morgan but the actual fact is most people want him dead.

Posted by: Severin Nov 26 2015, 06:09 PM

I was going to make some pithy comment about the actress playing Tara being a Scientologist but then it occurred to me that despite the scope for having massive fun with it, TWD has yet to do some sort of judgement day inspired religious cult.
It may be a tad predictable but the show is hardly Hell-bent on throwing the cast into new and ground breaking scenarios. After all, in the zombie apocalypse and especially in somewhere like Georgia, you'd expect a butt load of tooled up redneck Army Of God types.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 26 2015, 07:47 PM

I hope loads die, Rosita, Eugene, Sasha, the kid with the gun, fat useless storeroom lady, Deanna (god her face is the most scary thing about the show) and especially Judith. Someone holding the baby in a scene every ep gets boring.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 26 2015, 07:48 PM

Oh and Morgan, I hope that broom handle gets speared through him.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 26 2015, 11:02 PM

!!

Posted by: Severin Nov 27 2015, 01:28 AM

The show needs Morgan right now. His role is to be the yin to Rick's yang. His path is almost the exact opposite of Rick's. The contrast between Rick and Morgan is the only part of the show that has any subtext to it (with the occasional exception of some of Carol's moments).

Posted by: Kath Nov 28 2015, 10:23 AM

I'm assuming the Morgan / Rick relationship must be integral to the graphic novels (which I haven't read) and there must be a lot of love for Morgan - but as far as the TV series goes I just don't get it. You hardly know he's there. And the episode with the goat-keeping peace-keeper - they killed the wrong guy. Daryl is long past his sell-by date as well. I honestly don't know why I still watch it - I really don't - apart from Carol being totally watchable in every scene she's in.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 28 2015, 12:48 PM

Morgan is just Father Gabriel mark 2. At least with Gabriel he actually had a reason to be the pacifist because of his religion and being sheltered through the ZA, Morgan has supposedly done a 180 because of some fat man with a goat even after all he has been through. Not only that but he was close to insanity at one point when we saw him again in season 3 was it. His current state is as unbelievable as it is annoying.

The even more annoying thing is Father Gabriel is basically a mark 2 Tyreese who was also the pacifist of the group.

Nothing between Rick and Morgan thus far has been interesting.

Posted by: Severin Nov 28 2015, 02:59 PM

Morgan 'did a 180' because a professional criminal psychologist got inside his head and slowly (over an unspecified period) changed his outlook. That is quite believable even if it wasn't done as well as it could be.
But Morgan's purpose on the show (no idea about the comics) is to act as foreshadowing of what might be. Morgan's more controlled and disciplined stance is exactly how Rick began the series whereas Morgan began the show lost for purpose, hope and even sanity. Rick's path is taking him to a place much like Morgan began in. With Morgan heading the opposite path it's the contrast between them that has been one of the shows themes this season.

Granted, they've kept it fairly background but those 2 characters are pretty much the only ones in the show with any kind of subtext going on. Daryl and Carol have in the past but that seems to have been sidelined. Carl too.
Before the season started Morgan had no one in the world who knew him except Rick, and Morgan saved Rick when he had no-one in the world. The two share a bond and Morgan finally tracking Rick down only to discover that he's no longer the man Morgan knew, and that they now have almost polar opposite views leaves many potentially great plots and subplots open to the writers.

That is why Morgan is important to the show even if he isn't that interesting to watch... yet

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 28 2015, 03:15 PM

I still don't buy it. If criminal psychologist were able to do such a thing (and in a relatively short time) we wouldn't need prisons, we'd have courses with them and that bloody book he was going on about. Not to mention the world they are living in now is the most primal it can get, it is all about surviving any way possible.

It is just the same storyline we had with Tyreese, even down to Tyreese letting someone live who ended up being a threat to the group again. Copy and paste with Morgan and the Wolves he let go who then attacked Rick. Tyreese had endless speeches about right and wrong and was constantly opposing views of Rick.

Heck we had Dale for 2 seasons who played the pacifist role. The guy locked in the barn, deciding on his life was much more morally interesting than anything Rick and Morgan are giving us right now.

They have just ruined Morgan's character for me, made him seem completely out of touch with the world he is living in, when he is probably the one person who has lived and experienced it being as bad and as harsh as it could be and on his own.

I think you are reading far too much into what could potentially happen, that hasn't happened yet and hasn't already been explored on the show before and better done so far.

Posted by: Severin Nov 28 2015, 03:32 PM

I'm not reading more into it than is already there. It's pretty obvious what I'm referring to is deliberate and whether you think it works for you or the show is irrelevant.

And Morgan was clearly never a psycho path but obviously mentally ill. That is hardly stretching it for you to believe people can recover from that, surely?

Posted by: Severin Nov 28 2015, 03:36 PM

A quick Google search threw this up so it's clearly not just me
http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Walking-Dead-Season-6-What-Ties-Rick-Morgan-Together-89097.html

Posted by: Kath Nov 28 2015, 03:49 PM

You know at the time I thought that season 2 was a tad boring. Looking at the show now - I look longingly back at those days!

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 28 2015, 04:15 PM

Season 2 had some boring episodes (the big increase in ep order from series 1 to 2 probably accounted for this). It lead to the searching for Sofia storyline to be dragged out a bit too long. It however had some great stuff in it, Daryl's character growth was done well. Dale and Andrea having a strained father and daughter relationship. Shane getting closer and closer to the edge and lots more.

One huge problem of the walking dead now is the characters so rarely talk to each other these days. Take the last episode for example, was there even a meaningful conversation between anyone? They are in the aftermath of a big event of the ASZ being invaded and no one seems to be talking about it or what happened or the future.

We just found out Maggie is pregnant and Glenn is missing presumed dead by some, why did we not get Maggie having a heart to heart with say Carol about how tough it would be to having this child and how she feared it would be something else that could be torn away from her like her dad, Beth and now maybe Glenn has been too.

Instead we have Spencer, the biggest coward so far, risking life randomly to waste 5 minutes of what could have been something meaningful.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 28 2015, 04:25 PM

not every criminal psychologist is good and not every case is the same

Posted by: Conderella Nov 28 2015, 04:32 PM

they have a huge rock hanging over their heads in the form of hundreds of zombies trying to break down the wall. i don't think it's approproate time to do the whole circle jerk therapy thing.

because she's not that kind of character you presume her or she used to be, maybe? no one would believe it if the writers suddenly did the whole 'woe is me' scene with maggie! especially just a couple of days after glenn was missing. she still believed he was alive ffs!

i think spencer's act was a big thing for his character. look at where he was merely a few episodes before. hiding in the truck when the wolves attacked alexandria.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 28 2015, 04:34 PM

in season 2 we had LOTS of talking, they demanded action. now there's plenty of action, they want talking scenes. so what's it gonna be?!

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 28 2015, 06:34 PM

Eww, Season 2. I'd say only Episode 1 & Episode 13 are really worth watching. Thinking back to that season, all that stands out is them spending what felt like an eternity on that farm, endlessly & aimlessly searching for Sofia for half the season, and a lot of dumb moments & comments, usually coming from Lori - lol.

These videos focus on what went wrong with Season 2 (with a bit about S1 in the first video), and for the most part I agree with the points being raised.






The show has come a loooong way since then, thankfully.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 28 2015, 06:47 PM

I cant believe anyone can prefer the current walking dead to early seasons? They showed with the Glenn thing they don't have the balls to kill off a main character any more.

Rick is in an RV being surrounded by walkers, he ends up at the gates of the ASZ fine and dandy and they don't even feel the need to show how these days because Rick and co are invincible and people don't even question it now.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 28 2015, 07:18 PM

There's imperfections in the current season, for sure, but crucially it is more entertaining to watch on the whole.

Season 1 was generally great, particularly the first episode. Season 2 was like the TV equivalent of watching paint dry, for the most part. The writing quality slipped and the budget cuts were evident. They stretched out what was a relatively small part of the comic series and made it into a whole season. The walkers coming in Episode 13 was a relief. Thankfully the show picked up again with Season 3.

Posted by: Jonjeur East 🎷 Nov 28 2015, 11:15 PM

Have you guys seen season 2 since it aired? Because I rewatched them all before Season 5 and season 2 seemed a lot better than I had previously thought it to be. It was slow definitely, but it was still quite gripping, especially for character development at that point in the series, but I kind of let it slide due to it being ordered for more seasons, but having the same budget as season 1!

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 28 2015, 11:32 PM

Yep apart from being a bit slow at times season 2 was a good mix. Daryl's character grew greatly through it and his friendship with Carol was all planted from that season. They were brave enough to kill off Shane even though up until his death he was as equally important to the show as Rick.

Maggie was a genuinely strong and interesting character, not the Glenn obsessed shadow she is now.

The reveal of Sofia coming out of the barn was a really shocking moment and a great pay off to the look for Sofia storyline. Dale's death was nice and random a 'anyone can be killed at any moment feeling'.

The final ep was a real turning point for a lot of characters, Andrea getting separated from the group, Hershel realising there was no saving the walkers it was saving yourself and your family, Rick revealing they were all infected.

So many of the storylines actually came from season 2, Rick's 'Ricktatorship', lori's pregnancy and thus Judith, Glenn and Maggies relationship, Michonne finding Andrea thus the group eventually, Carol and Daryl's friendship.

Posted by: Severin Nov 29 2015, 04:05 AM

I have, as yet not re-watched any season but no 2 still stands to me as the shows highlight

Posted by: Rooney Nov 29 2015, 12:15 PM

Season 2 had some highs, but oh lord it was painfully boring at times. Season 4 for me is the show's highlight.

Disagree that the show does not have the balls to kill off main characters, when you follow source material you kinda have to stick loosely to it. I'm sure Daryl would have been killed off a while ago, but his character's popularity is crazy. I expect if any of the big characters were to die it would be Glenn/Maggie.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 29 2015, 01:04 PM

Well in the comics Dale dies much later in the tainted meat storyline Bob died from, but they had the balls at the time to off him. Also Andrea plays a huge role in the comics deep into the ASZ storyline and they offed her in season 3.

Judith also dies but don't think they have the balls to do that now, Rick loses an arm, wont happen either and Daryl isn't even in the comics so could have been killed any time but it wont happen.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 29 2015, 03:04 PM

Think the reason Dale was killed off early was because he was very loyal to original showrunner. And Andrea too - I'm sure I read somewhere that the current showrunner would not have killed her off.

What you have to remember is the books/comics and the TV world are two separate things. In all adaptations you have to make changes to the source material because it cannot all be shown on TV. I mean on Game of Thrones they've done numerously similar things too.

Posted by: Jaÿ Nov 29 2015, 03:56 PM

Indeed, at the end of the day the TV series has to do its own thing. It's too difficult to follow the source material that closely, because it would be constrictive & at times impossible. I think it's done well to generally keep the spirit of the comic series throughout so many seasons, even if there's different details.

(I don't think killing Shane off was "brave"; he dies very early on in the comics and I think it was evident throughout Season 2 that things were going in that direction... Shane slowly losing the plot / his affair with Lori. His role was Rick's original friend/work colleague and rival in terms of Lori, there's no way he was ever "equally important". They'd gone as far as possible with him before the bad guy switched to being The Governor).

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Nov 30 2015, 07:52 AM

I agree with Rooney that Season 4 has definitely been the best so far, followed by Seasons 1 and 5. 2 and 3 were mediocre. I blame Andrea's character development for ruining the Woodbury arc, I just couldn't stand her.


As for the mid-season finale, I dunno what to think. First of all, you'd expect more Glenn/Daryl/Abraham/Sasha, but NO...
Secondly, there definitely were signs of Carol going crazy in previous episodes (she kills with too much ease), but I didn't want them to go there and unfortunately I think they have. I don't like how it's playing out for her character.
Thirdly, I had issues with Tara and Rosita just letting the Wolf guy take Zoey-from-Nurse-Jackie (or whatever her name is in TWD). They'd have more chances of saving her by shooting him in the head.
Finally, they should have gotten out of the house in pairs or something, not all together. Are they dumb? What if Judith had started crying? That would've doomed them all. The little kid is probably dead, by the way. Good.

Posted by: Jonjowman ⛄ Nov 30 2015, 11:01 AM

Hmm. I'm also in two minds about this episode. It definitely wasn't as "frantic" as I had thought it'd be, so I am slightly let down. However, it has set up for another potentially brilliant opener! In regards to Carol's character, what did you mean? Because I can't see this going any other way other than Morgan realising that you have to do, what you have to do and being more "in control" of things. Carol will still be taking no prisoners and killing far too quickly etc.. She'll blame Morgan for letting Wolf guy get away.

I'm disappointed at the lack of Glen during this episode. Which makes me think are they going to kill Maggie off in the season opener as a "shock" death? That lad deserves to die for being such a nuisance!

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 30 2015, 01:09 PM

Any point the poster earlier in the thread was trying to make about Morgan and Rick having some sort of moral plotline over whether to kill or not to kill now are surely out the window after this episode. Morgan's actions once again put people in danger and potentially have got the doctor killed.

Deanna dying seemed a complete waste, she, Aaron and Rick's new girlfriend are the only ASZ people we have actually got to know (Ron too but he isn't going to last long is he let's be honest) and the impact of her death was nowhere near what it would have been had that been Tara or Sasha.

The pacing of the episode was pretty dire, slow as hell for 35 minutes then the silly Morgan/Carol plot (Rosita and Tara gave their 2 guns up to a guy with just a knife and then when the killer wolf gets the guns he doesn't kill them) and the main group getting out the house all shoved into the last 5 minutes.

The big mid season final with half the main cast missing (Daryl, Sasha, Abe, Glenn) and the only death being not one of the originals but one of the ASZ people. I feel like I'm repeating myself but too big a cast and not the balls to kill main characters any more.

Posted by: Conderella Nov 30 2015, 06:00 PM

taking pointers from carol there, aren't you?

it's not about killing off characters. death isn't always the best twist here. what's gonna happen when they run out of original characters to kill off? being disappointed that they didn't kill someone... sorry, ANYONE... off is quite ridiculous. people want drama but leaving things hanging like that is in fact a better way to end the midseason. they can do a juicy michonne killing in the season finale

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 30 2015, 06:40 PM

You introduce new interesting characters so the dead weight of Rosita, Eugene, Father Gabriel (Daryl and Michonne are getting dangerously close to redundant too) who really aren't needed as have run their character story lines can have a more impacting death than Deanna's was.

Rosita taking Deanna's death would have been more sad and left Deanna to develop more. As it is, someone who was getting screen time and developing the plot is now dead and 1 line every 3 episodes Rosita isn't.

Sam is going to die next, again it wont have the impact it could because of his limited time on the show. Lizzie's story line was a great example of getting it right, enough time to get to know her, good story line that took time to run its course and a great pay off death that impacted Carol, Tyreese and the viewer.

Posted by: Severin Nov 30 2015, 08:54 PM

A disappointing mid season finale, mainly because almost every single character seemed to make completely moronic decisions. Even the 'ending' sucked. It could have played out like Hitchcock did it with The Birds but it came across as lacking in any tension.

The only real redeeming feature was the set up for the next half with Negan, Daryl and co

Posted by: Severin Nov 30 2015, 09:31 PM

It wasn't a plot line, it's called subtext. They're different things. A plot is the story as events happen, a subtext is the theme or message underneath that.
The point still stands. Did you even read the article I linked where Lennie James pretty much said the same thing? It's been one of the key features for the whole half season and like all key plot threads it comes to either a crossroads or a climax at a finale. Morgan's decisions so far have been central to his character but he will most likely question that now.
And equally Rick has had Deanna little speech about how 'they're all your people'. We may well find Rick re-evaluating his outlook on the residents. At least those that survive.
And you can look at your final point from different angles. They rather clumsily but necessarily used Carol as a stand in for Rick with the whole 'I will kill you to kill him to stop any more people being killed' speech. Morgan's actions did increase the risk but it was Carol who forced the issue and made it into life threatening situation there and then.
The question of whether you can survive in this world better through killing or valuing life has been one of the key elements of TWD and particularly so far this season. It's really quite Nietzschean

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 30 2015, 10:08 PM

As a viewer though it isn't interesting at least for me, as we have been here loads of times before and it always works out for the worst to not kill enemies. The Gov came back and killed people (although they never had a true chance to kill him). The black guy they shut out the prison came back and cause havoc. The cannibals the group could have gone back and killed after the explosion and didn't and it came back to 'bite' Bob. Tyreese didn't kill the guy who threatened to kill Judith and he came back to be a threat with them. Morgan didn't kill the wolf who came back and attacked and slaughtered ASZ residents and the one he kept has now used Denise as a hostage.

How many times can they play that storyline?

If someone is a threat it is kill or be killed, surely no one can argue with this now without it being stupidly forced like Morgan's character is now.

Posted by: Severin Nov 30 2015, 10:41 PM

I never said I thought Morgan's actions were the best choice, certainly not plot-wise but from a thematic point of view they are key. Although it would've been more effective if we had spent more time having the character properly fleshed out. I have previously said the show's formula is a tad repetitive and they really need to mix things up a bit, but the fact they keep returning to the same theme of to kill or not to kill with multiple characters shows just how central that question is to the show.
I merely pointed out why Morgan is important to the show right now.

Posted by: Rooney Nov 30 2015, 11:50 PM

But Deanna's death is a plot device, killing Rosita/Tara in that circumstance would not have aided the plot. By Deanna dying, it gives Rick full control over the community. He's everyone's leader now.

I thought the mid-season finale was average, it was good pacing, but I was waiting for it all to kick off. Guessing we're gonna get that in the opener! That kid is so gonna freak out. Interested to see what happens with the guy and the nurse too.

Posted by: sammy01 Nov 30 2015, 11:53 PM

Do we want Rick back in charge of everything AGAIN?

Posted by: Severin Dec 1 2015, 12:02 AM

Maybe, maybe not. Depends what they do with it.

Walking Dead the TV show is basically Rick's story

Posted by: Jonjowman ⛄ Dec 1 2015, 12:52 AM

Rick's my favourite character, so I want to see him remain the "leader". I know so many people want him to die, but when Rick dies, the show dies imo. No matter how much I like Daryl/Michonne/the others. He's seen it all. He's trusted people before and it's backfired on him. He knows exactly what he's doing, whereas Carol doesn't seem to be in control too much and just acts without ever thinking about it.

I'm really intrigued to see if they can actually manage to get Alexandria up and going again. It'd be a nice change for the show and to see them actually "make a home" out of somewhere. The closest they ever got was the prison, but after everything that went off, it'd be interesting to see how the "new Rick" would deal with that sort of situation now and whether he'll be more prepared for it or not.

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 1 2015, 01:46 AM

I really want them to move on and explore somewhere new. I feel like the scenery of forest and trees has left me cold to it all now. I kind of liked the change of scenery in the ep where Carol and Daryl were in the city together and although I didn't like the hospital story line with Beth again the change of location was refreshing.

Posted by: Jaÿ Dec 1 2015, 02:45 AM

I think the whole "put zombie guts all over yourself to mask that you're one of the living" thing is a bit of a weak spot in the show. It's like, if that's all it takes to fool the walkers, to the extent that you can walk amongst a swarm of them, then why not walk around like that more often? (particularly when they were out in the wilderness and vulnerable). That lowers the suspense levels for me, somewhat.

The Carol/Morgan situation was a bit frustrating. Although it certainly furthers my view that Morgan is a huuuuge liability to the group, Carol's own behaviour was very rash and lead to things spiralling out of control. Whyyyy did Denise help the Wolf? ;( Also you'd think in such close proximity that Rosita/Tara could surely have shot the Wolf in the head before he could even react?

The episode was weird in that it didn't quite feel like a mid-season finale to me. Maybe it was the lack of a "shock" (Deanna getting bitten didn't quite cut it, for me, although I was actually fond of her character). Anyway, bring on the second half! Will be interesting to see where things go from here.

I do agree Sammy, the amount of time they've spent in the forests has made that surrounding seem quite boring. City scenes... *.*

Posted by: Kath Dec 2 2015, 10:36 PM

Rick has been responsible for more deaths of innocents than Cecil B De Mille killed extras!

Posted by: Severin Dec 3 2015, 12:56 AM

Whilst I agree that the city scenes do add some welcome change of scenery, I can appreciate that from a logistical and financial point of view they give the show's production team a big headache. They're much more expensive to organise and a nightmare to set up.

Thankfully, whilst I don't expect Negan to live in a sprawling metropolis, the biker gang that held up Daryl's truck will throw up a bunch of new characters and environments just at the moment that we look set for a bloodbath at Alexandria.
JD Morgan will also be fabulous in the 2nd half of the season

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 12 2015, 12:42 AM

Is there really any financial argument or lack there of to be made for the walking dead? It has the biggest demo ratings (that is the one the advertising revenue is determined on) of any show in America. It out rates everything despite being on cable. The budget could be as big as they want it to be. Not to mention the The talking dead show where they basically talk about the ep that just aired gets great ratings too and cost absolutely nothing to make.

Posted by: Severin Dec 12 2015, 04:25 PM

Of course there is. The bottom line with both film and TV is almost always money. Show's that aren't profitable rarely last long.
Producers will allocate a budget per season. I don't know the figures for TWD or any current major shows but for example a renewal of Star Trek:Enterprise campaign by fans about 10 years ago suggested $1m per episode.
Factor in desired profits, promotional costs, wages, income from network advertising and you are left with a production budget for the season. One of the problems Star Trek had was it was simply too expensive to make compared to its income and that's despite it being the most successful TV franchise in history.

It wasn't simply because the show's quality was poor (the final season of Enterprise was arguably the best Trek season in years) but because it couldn't justify its running costs.
Similarly, one of the reasons Game Of Thrones is only 10 episodes long each year is down to production costs and logistics. Any show with sizeable cast has an awful lot of staff on the books - make up, stunt doubles, catering etc. They all cost money, as does paying for location shooting permits, set builds, props etc. And the cost of paying a city government/council to shut down sizeable areas of their city for prolonged periods are incredibly prohibitive. That's why it's usually a quick 2 hour set up and shoot at 4am in the morning for a 10 minute scene. If you tried to set a whole season in the city it would require a free standing set a la Walford or Weatherfield but neither of those sets allow for creating the feel of a large city area More a street or square.

Just looked up TWD budgets.
Season 1 (the one with most city scenes came in a $3.4m per episode for 7 episodes.
Season 2 the budget was cut (despite an increased cast size) to $2.75m for 13 episodes.
It currently stands at $2.5 -$3m per episode despite a sizeable hike in cast salaries.

Posted by: Jacob Alan Jan 12 2016, 11:02 PM

Just caught up on binge watch (started early November) and honestly with a couple of weak episodes here and there I still love it, can't wait for the 2nd half of the season.

Posted by: jase. Jan 13 2016, 01:45 AM

I wonder when Negan's actually going to appear? I assume it won't be until the season finale

Posted by: Severin Jan 13 2016, 04:24 PM

Given that Daryl, Sasha and Abraham have been held up by his gang I'd say pretty early on actually

Posted by: Rooney Jan 17 2016, 05:29 PM

As far as I'm aware Negan doesn't appear until the penultimate/finale episode.

Posted by: Severin Jan 17 2016, 10:09 PM

Sounds like Daryl & co will have their story dragged out a bit then

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 4 2016, 05:30 PM

I'm re-watching season 1, god it was so good what happened?

I guess losing Shane was a big turning point especially for Rick's character. They basically combine Rick and Shane's character together once Shane dies with Rick flip flopping between do good and hard ass, it was much more interesting when they had those 2 characters batting heads over ideas and morals on how to survive the ZA. They have tried to replicate that ever since with Hershel, Tyreese and now Morgan playing moral guy to the now hard line Rick but it has never been the same.

Glenn was such a great character in season 1 too, resourceful and clever, the Maggie loving simpering mess he is now is such a shame.

Posted by: Jaÿ Feb 14 2016, 02:50 AM

Around 24 hours until The Walking Dead is back. *.* I'm ready!

Here's a preview - the first 4 minutes of the mid-season premiere episode:

Posted by: Mackenzie Feb 14 2016, 01:25 PM

so excited for this I can't

Posted by: burbe Feb 14 2016, 04:23 PM

The first half of the season was so good - I can't wait for this to return!

Posted by: (Zach) Feb 14 2016, 10:41 PM

I thought the first half of the season was a total drag besides the Glenn thing. I really hope they go in a different direction soon. A change of scenery would be nice (like somewhere other than Georgia).

Posted by: Jaÿ Feb 15 2016, 07:37 AM

Oh my God. What an episode! 😱 Shocking, intense and epic. I feel emotionally drained!

I knew roughly what was going to go down because I'd read the comic spoilers, but still, watching it all play out was truly heart in the mouth stuff.

I'd say it was easily one of the best episodes of the entire run of episodes to date, and certainly the best of Season 6.

Posted by: (Zach) Feb 15 2016, 04:10 PM

Couldn't agree more Jay. I don't think I've ever been that into an episode of TWD. So many twists and turns and subplots but it worked perfectly. It took Carl getting shot for me to realize that I don't actually want him to be killed off!

Posted by: Severin Feb 15 2016, 08:24 PM

Not sure about this episode. Some good moments but sloppy writing, normally smart characters doing really stupid things simply to drive the plot where the writers wanted it to go.
Worse still, it was predictable and, in the end, played it safe with a resolution that began as a hack and slash video game before climaxing with a near deus ex machina.


Best scene of the whole episode was easily the very last, with Rick finally realising that there needs to be more than simple brutality in the world. He's come full circle, just in time for Negan to screw it all up.

Posted by: burbe Feb 15 2016, 08:48 PM

I really enjoyed this episode. It was entertaining from start to finish and I thought the plot was great! So many twists and turns throughout the episode. It was great.

Posted by: Mart!n Feb 15 2016, 09:30 PM

30 minutes in and I'm glued, did not see that coming sodding ads...

Posted by: Mart!n Feb 15 2016, 09:58 PM

Wow... amazing episode, best episode of the season, loving the twists and turns and I know where its heading.

Posted by: Alejandjob Feb 15 2016, 10:09 PM

f***ing CACKLING at the brutality of it all. poor ricks girlfriend.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 18 2016, 01:59 AM

The show for me has got so sloppy with certain things. It went from day to night in about 15 seconds, unless Rick and co walked around the ASZ for an hour off camera. Daryl kills a guy that no one sees or hears (ok I could maybe believe that) but the body is lay in direct view of the bikers. Glenn has yet another near death escape, it is getting a bit ridiculous now and each time that bit more implausible.

There was a big build up to the Wolves guys and how last year ended on a cliff hanger with him taking the doctor hostage, for a pretty lame outcome of him being shot by Carol.

I'm actually glad Jessie and her family died, what a drag they have been since being introduced.

The show needs a major death to happen, the main 6 or 7 characters are basically immune from death at this point and the whole premise of the show was no one is safe.

The father Gabriel thing was too much from me, he went from a coward who at one point was grassing on the gang to suddely risking his life to fight along side them. If they wanted to redeem him, him keeping Judith safe would have surely been enough.

Rosita is so wooden I'm rooting for her death so much right now.

I mean don't get me wrong it was fast paced and intense but I feel like the actual quality to which they try to achieve this has slipped.

Posted by: Jaÿ Feb 18 2016, 02:25 AM

The day to night thing was rather odd, indeed. I'm not sure if there's been a proper explanation offered for that. Like, how far did they need to walk! They were walking at a decent pace, wherever it was they were headed couldn't have taken that long to get to (I can't actually recall what their plan was, where were they walking to? Lol).

Some things that were mentioned in critical articles about the episode:

Sam was calling for his mom in the cliff hanger at the end of the midseason finale (suggesting he was about to freak out and draw major attention to them all, almost immediately after exiting the house), but then when it got back to them in the midseason premiere he was (relatively) fine, and silent... and then was for a while, until he suddenly freaked out again. This wasn't very smoothly done.

Other points focus on unrealistic reactions that the characters have, mainly about them standing still... such as Jessie staying rooted to the spot to witness Sam being overwhelmed by the walkers - some articles suggest that as a mother she'd have instinctively leapt in to try and drag them off him (even though this would certainly have resulted in her own death). Another point raised is that any of the characters on that walk could have quite easily dragged Sam along as soon as he stopped, particularly as they were holding hands... or even picked him up as a quick last resort. His death was easily preventable, if the characters were acting at all rationally, so the writers could have thought harder about how his death could have been convincing and unavoidable.

Like Sammy says, Daryl managing to kill that guy (and get stabbed) silently & unseen was highly improbable, including actually getting out the rocket launcher (even it being stored at the back of the truck is a bit farfetched, apparently). Overlooking those details, it was still a satisfying scene.

People are a bit "hmm" that Rick would have trusted Gabriel with his daughter, based on his past form. A more realistic way to get Judith to safety in the church would have been for them all to walk there together, have a breather and then venture out again (realistically they'd probably have left Jessie, Sam & Ron there too).

Oh and I agree about Glenn. He's smarter than that, he allowed himself to be backed up against the fence. Also arguably he didn't even need to create a diversion at all.

Although be quite honest, none of these issues affected my enjoyment of the episode at all, even though I agree that there was a fair bit of sloppy writing... the action, intensity and overall drama was really enjoyable.

Posted by: Jonjo Feb 18 2016, 02:40 AM

Agreed with Jay, really. Still can't get over how amazing it was despite those criticisms and flaws. The whole walker ambush on Sam and co could have all been down to freezing in that moment in shock or whatever. So much went off and it was fantastic.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 18 2016, 01:28 PM

It always to me comes down to pacing of things with the walking dead. They had a 90 minute episode with Morgan in some cabin with a goat (I never actually finished that episode) but the first ep of the 2nd half of the season with a whole family killed, the resolving of the Wolves storyline, the resolution of the doctor being taken hostage, seemingly the end of the wall fallen plot (I assume it will be repaired now) and Daryl and co getting out of a dodgy situation in 60 minutes.

It is going to leave only the Negan plot really left for this half of the season and from all accounts he doesn't show up until the end of the season.

Oh and we have the really weird Carol/Morgan thing, which just gets more strange and hard to watch as it goes on.

Watch there be 4 filler episodes now.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Feb 19 2016, 09:49 PM

Apparently there's something major happening in this Sunday's ep. TVLine is urging people to watch it live or completely avoid the internet until they do. So, I guess someone dies. Glenn or Maggie? Better not be Carol or Michonne.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 19 2016, 11:00 PM

Please let it finally be Glenn and Rosita and Eugene.

Posted by: Kath Feb 19 2016, 11:45 PM

I thought the episode was so-so. Brilliant start (have I said I'm in love with Abraham?) and totally unexpected bit where the kid gets killed/eaten and his mother too - and Rick chopping off her arm to release Carl but let down for me by the meaningless talk between Enid and Glen (who I'm getting increasingly pissed off with - I really hope they kill him off soon). I am glad that Father Gabriel seemed to at last do the right thing. On the whole though - I think I'm watching out of habit now - not because I really enjoy the show.

Posted by: Severin Feb 20 2016, 12:48 AM

No-one would care if Rosita or Eugene died.

I'd rather Glenn lived and Maggie died. I don't want them to repeat the young baby story.
However, I suspect it will be neither.

Thematically Morgan would make sense. Carol has it in for him, and Rick has returned to a more positive outlook, it remains to be seen where he can go from here.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 20 2016, 02:35 PM

Isn't that they way of the walking dead these days though, kill off secondary characters that have been around a couple of seasons and make it seem like something huge. Even Morgan wouldn't be that big given how they have destroyed his character and no one wants him around any more any way.

Posted by: (Zach) Feb 20 2016, 11:16 PM

I feel like they are purposely ruining Glenn's character so that they can kill him off with less backlash. Sadly I do think he will go soon which is a shame because he is still one of my favorites. Michonne has really faded into the background as well so I wouldn't be surprised if they offed her as ridiculous as that would be. I think Rick, Carol, Daryl, and Carl are immune, at least for now. All the others are basically expendable at this point, especially Morgan, Gabriel, and Eugene. I actually think they could do a lot with Rosita's character but I don't see it happening.

Posted by: Jaÿ Feb 21 2016, 12:13 AM

It would break my heart if Michonne was killed off! I'm hoping her character returns to the forefront soon.

Posted by: Jonjo Feb 21 2016, 12:21 AM

I agree with Zach in that Rosita's character could offer a hell of a lot more if they utilised her more. However, Eugene dying would be a mistake. He has quite a "cult" following, although I don't really know where his character can go from here now that he's been exposed. But, I have a feeling if anyone is to die, it'll be Maggie. She's cut her hair in reality and apparently "there's a reason in the show" as to why she's been able to do it. I can't see it just being because she cuts her hair in the show...

But we shall see. I really don't think Michonne is going either.

Posted by: Alejandjob Feb 21 2016, 01:34 AM

Michonne is the best character in it. They cannot kill her.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 21 2016, 01:54 AM

Seriously Rosita is the worst actress the show has, she walks and holds herself like a model at a comic convention being paid to dress up. Her speech in the last episode was beyond bad and she just adds nothing to the show at all.

It is a shame Tara is pregnant as she was bringing a lighter tone to things and was actually far more interesting and the possible relationship with the doctor could have been fun to explore.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Feb 22 2016, 08:04 AM

So... RIP Truck.

I didn't expect it to go there but I'm glad it did. I've been expecting this for so long that I believed they'd never actually do it.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 22 2016, 03:07 PM

Blarghhhh that felt so unnatural, wont spoil for those who haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: Severin Feb 22 2016, 07:32 PM

So they went for a lightly comic episode, which I can only assume was set 'some time' after last weeks, as nobody (least of all Rick) gave a damn about everyone who died.
Didn't really work on any level until the very last line of dialogue.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 22 2016, 08:32 PM

It also had another plot line where Spencer and Carl didn't speak or explain themselves like a normal human being would all for a 15 second pay off which wasn't a pay off.

Posted by: Jonjo Feb 22 2016, 09:33 PM

2 months had passed, apparently. In terms of tone, it's an episode that was needed, but as an episode it was all a bit "ehhhh". Season 2 filler-esque. I love how they seem to have gone back to "normality" (well, as normal as can be in this world) because we just know there is a threat right around the corner, ready to tear shit up!

Posted by: Kath Feb 22 2016, 09:59 PM

The only thing I can say about that episode is that next week's episode looks a bit better!

Posted by: Alejandjob Feb 22 2016, 10:04 PM

I'm just happy Michonne is getting something to do.

Posted by: Mark. Feb 22 2016, 11:13 PM

Brilliant episode

Posted by: Mark. Feb 22 2016, 11:13 PM

Posted by: Severin Feb 23 2016, 12:02 AM

My latest thing with The Walking Dead is seeing how many stupid things the characters decide to do. Eugene was the only one in the episode not to do something dumb. Oh, and Judith.

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 23 2016, 01:25 AM

They really struggle to write drama now without it coming from the characters either doing really really stupid stuff or them being complete mutes when they should be telling each other important information.

This last episode had so many times where people 2 years into an ZA decided to do stupid things. Rick and Daryl find a truck that they cant know for sure would make it all the way back to ASZ, the logical thing to do is one ride in the car the other the truck and ride side by side. Then we have Rick and Daryl back with the truck instead of taking the full truck load straight back to ASZ with valuable supplies they go into a field where a barn is.

All Spencer had to say to Michonne was 'I think I saw my mum out there as one of them, I need to find her and lay her to rest properly' but you know why would he do that when he can just be a mute instead, but hey woooo surprise zombie Deanna!

Posted by: Rooney Feb 23 2016, 08:44 PM

Meh, that was such a boringly average episode.

I thought the time frame was more like two weeks rather than two months! But it's good. I'm not sure I'm a fan of that romance developing. But I guess when it's a zombie apocalypse shit like that would happen.

I call that a bridge episode, I mean I expect in the next episode we'll learn more about Jesus. Then the episode after we'll meet his people.

Posted by: Severin Feb 24 2016, 12:52 PM

I hope there are 12 of them, and somehow they can contrive a scene where they are all sat at the same side of one big table with J in the middle

Posted by: (Zach) Feb 25 2016, 02:07 AM

THIS!!!


Which is also incredibly farfetched. How do they always manage to cross paths with the exact walker they're looking for? Are they surrounded by an invisible fence that we're not aware of?

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 25 2016, 12:39 PM

Let's not also forget Deanna should have been ripped limb from limb and eaten given the situation she was in, yet there she is outside the walls not a scratch on her.

Posted by: Severin Feb 25 2016, 01:00 PM

Don't forget Michonne being on guard duty and just abandoning her post without so much as a word to anyone.

The convenient flat tyre was also a terribly contrived way of allowing the 2 to catch up to Jesus as they'd inexplicably left a perfectly good product placement car behind.

Posted by: Severin Feb 29 2016, 07:36 PM

Really enjoyed tonight's episode. Understated and simply one big set up for what's to come.


Everyone is so calm, happy and with an air of over-confidence right now that you just know it's gonna hit the fan big time soon. And it's gonna hit hard!

Posted by: sammy01 Feb 29 2016, 08:43 PM

That Abe and Sasha storyline can do one, cus there is nothing between them.

Posted by: Mart!n Feb 29 2016, 09:59 PM

Great episode, and I know where its heading, read a few of the comics of what is coming up next, and we could be losing one key character by the end of the series, unless they hold it back for the next series.

Posted by: Jonjo Mar 1 2016, 12:43 AM

I really enjoyed tonight's episode too! Things are really shifting into gear. I'm so excited for what's to come and as someone who is completely oblivious to the comics and doesn't know what's about to happen/unaware of how awesome Negan is (says everyone else who has read them!) I can't WAIT!

Really loved Maggie this episode!

Posted by: jase. Mar 1 2016, 02:26 AM

What he does will potentially be one of the most horrific TV moments of all time, depending on how it's filmed and which characters are involved.

Posted by: Rooney Mar 1 2016, 07:02 PM

Agreed, much preferred that episode to last weeks. Was paced really well, though I do completely agree about the Rosita/Abraham/Sasha thing, it's hard to care really.

Really warmed to Jesus as a character. He reminds me a bit of what Glenn should have been.

Posted by: Severin Mar 7 2016, 07:25 PM

Best episode in a long time

Posted by: -Jay- Mar 7 2016, 09:06 PM

It was very thrilling! *.* Also it reinforces how other humans in this world are so much more of a threat than the walkers are. It seems there's some genuinely scary episodes forthcoming (can't wait!).

Posted by: jase. Mar 8 2016, 01:33 AM

This episode was setting up the means for Negan to retaliate. And retaliate he will...I'm very nervous for a few of our beloved.

Those polaroids which Glen was looking at...were those pics of people who Negan f***ed up with his baseball bat? If so that's f'n terrifying

Posted by: Rooney Mar 12 2016, 01:29 PM

Yes - for me that was some heavy foreshadowing. Just undecided with who will actually get it.

Agree it was a great episode, the tension in the last third was unbelievable.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 12 2016, 02:55 PM

Carol must live.SHE MUST

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Mar 13 2016, 11:39 AM

It was an excellent episode but not another abduction storyline please resolve it soon...

Posted by: johnjo07 Mar 14 2016, 04:26 PM

Another great episode. GIRL POWER *.*

Maggie FINALLY f***ing shit up and showing us why she would be missed if she was killed off. I absolutely LOVE what they're doing with Carol right now and I loved the contrast between 'Chelle & Maggie/Paula & Carol. The tension is at an all time high at the moment, in this show. I am legit scared for our main lot right now

Can we NOT with this whole "we're all Neagan" bull crap please? It reminds me of 'The Following' too much and I lost interest in that coz things weren't getting resolved and just kept going around in circles.

Posted by: Severin Mar 14 2016, 07:43 PM

Yes, another strong episode and an absolute joy to see Alicia Witt turn up.



And when Daryl at the end asks 'Are you good?', only for Carol to say 'No' is possibly the single most understated and yet telling line the show has ever done.
Brilliant writing

Posted by: johnjo07 Mar 14 2016, 08:35 PM

Agreed! Carol and Daryl are the two most fleshed out and consistent characters on the show.

Posted by: Mackenzie Mar 14 2016, 10:00 PM

As much as I loved the latest episode, I want more Michonne

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 14 2016, 10:05 PM

Jesus Christ the stress of that episode had my hair falling out. I wish they didn't kill Paula though, she could have been a very interesting character.

Posted by: Kath Mar 14 2016, 10:12 PM

Best episode by far so far this series. I really would have liked to see Alicia Witt around for a bit longer but I suppose you can't have everything.

Posted by: jase. Mar 15 2016, 01:49 AM

Guys, here are some of the cast members thoughts on the season 6 finale (no spoilers)

Melissa McBride (Carol) - "It was so very dark. I couldn't say anything after I had finished reading it. I felt like I had dropped into a blackhole."

Ross Marquand (Aaron) - "I think it's probably the most wrought, like emotionally wrought, and dark episode I've ever read, regardless of this show or not. I've never seen or read an episode that is so dark and so compelling in my life and that's the God's honest truth. I told Andy, I don't normally get so affected by scripts that I have to put them down, but I had to stop reading this at three different times. I couldn't read it, it was messing me up. It was tough to read. It's phenomenal writing but it's just so emotionally dark and twisted that we had to put it down several times."

Lennie James (Morgan) - "Jaws are gonna drop and people are gonna lose their ****, if you don't mind me saying. It's gonna blow some people's minds and break some people's hearts."

Greg Nicotero (exec producer) - "I can tell you that the last episode, the pace and the build of what happens from the teaser to the end, it's a pretty precipitous drop to a very dark place."

Andrew Lincoln (Rick) - "I felt sick to my stomach when I read the script. It was the first day in the whole six years of working on The Walking Dead that I was late for work because I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn’t get back to sleep. I was so angry and frustrated and I felt sick. And that was just after reading it.”

Lauren Cohan (Maggie) - "Hearing the word ‘finale’ gives me a physical reaction because it’s the hardest day on set that I’ve ever had in my life. I never even imagined that as an actor you could have that experience. It’s one of the most raw experiences that I think any of us have ever had. Andy talks about being late to work; I didn’t want to go to work that day. It took a really, really long time for everybody to feel okay again after the finale, let’s put it that way.”

.............I mean, holy shit. I'm genuinely terrified over what's going to happen. Wow.

Posted by: -Jay- Mar 15 2016, 03:36 AM

This half of the season has been incredible so far. Like Jase, I'm almost feeling scared about the prospect of the finale, if the actors/actresses felt that moved by the script alone! Praying that I don't lose one of my favourites. Roll on April 3rd!

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 15 2016, 05:53 PM

everyone says it al the time but Carol really is the best acted character on TV right now. Give Melissa all the awards.

Posted by: burbe Mar 17 2016, 03:00 AM

Those comments about the finale

The show really is on top of its game with the current season!

Posted by: jase. Mar 18 2016, 12:23 AM

One theory floating around regarding the finale is that Rick is forced to kill Glenn. He is put into a situation by Negan where he is forced to kill the dad-to-be or see his entire group slaughtered, only to ultimately do so and have Maggie killed, as well.

can you just imagine? horrific doesn't even cover it

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 18 2016, 12:40 AM

Just read that Carol was meant to be killed off along with Lori in season 3. I don't think i would still be watching if that was the case.

Posted by: johnjo07 Mar 18 2016, 12:44 AM

That's when Carol wasn't really a badass though, so I don't think she'd have been missed at that point. Things have changed SO much now though, to the point I believe there will be an actual riot or something if something was to happen nowadays!

Posted by: (Zach) Mar 19 2016, 01:09 AM

Well it's fairly obvious that we'll be losing at least one main character, possibly one of the originals. I would hate to see Glenn go. I think Carol might be the only one who is safe.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 19 2016, 02:23 PM

Glenn and Morgan can f*** off.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 19 2016, 02:24 PM

And bring in Andrea's identical twin sister who behaves exactly like her.

Posted by: Iz~ Mar 20 2016, 12:56 AM

Finally caught up with all of this, after starting with Season 1 in December. What an incredible tense show, on the whole. It helps that I find it so easy to care about characters that I don't want to see anyone (who is not an asshole) die and so when you have death around every corner it's gripping viewing. And while there were dips it's currently in a massive high and has been ever since getting a more permanent base of operations in Alexandria really, several of the show's best episodes have been this season. Especially 'No Way Out' and 'Not Tomorrow Yet'. And the last episode too, fantastic acting from Melissa McBride throughout that.

Which makes me very nervous for the finale, but I'm looking forward to seeing Negan now, he sounds like he'll be an excellent villain.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 20 2016, 07:35 PM

Who was your fave character?

Posted by: Iz~ Mar 20 2016, 07:45 PM

Started off being Glenn actually but quickly moved on to Michonne when she appeared and Carol when she started getting better. And Eugene is incredibly watchable too whenever he's got something to do. I wouldn't like to pick just one with so many good ones.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 20 2016, 07:54 PM

Michonne is one of the best characters on TV.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 20 2016, 07:55 PM

Also, please don't say you turned on Andrea in season 3.

Posted by: (Zach) Mar 20 2016, 08:38 PM

I always liked Andrea. I thought she made some really stupid choices at the end but I didn't want them to kill her off. They easily could've turned things around with her character.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 20 2016, 08:51 PM

They could have just made her see the error of her ways. The fac that she's still around and such a huge part of the comics makes it even more depressing .

Posted by: jase. Mar 20 2016, 08:55 PM

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/the-walking-dead/news/a787501/ready-for-negan-the-walking-dead-extends-the-sixth-season-finale-to-90-minutes/

It looks like the finale is going to be 90 minutes and is called "Last Day on Earth"

Posted by: (Zach) Mar 20 2016, 09:50 PM

WALKING DEAD IN SPACE COMING SOON

Posted by: Jaÿ Mar 21 2016, 07:01 PM

!

~~~

Spoilers ahead...


























Oh no, poor Denise... now they have no doctor, oops.

I'd say that her death is kind of Eugene's fault, although both him & Denise were behaving recklessly in that episode. Out in the open was no time for Denise to loudly give a lecture... but to be fair, as she had never been on a supply run before, she wouldn't have known better to keep her wits about her. It was really up to Daryl and Rosita to closely guard her (I mean what was with them not paying any attention to her slipping back behind them on the tracks? You'd think if you had the doctor with you, one with no experience on the outside, that you'd keep a very close eye on what she was doing, for the safety of them all. It gets a little annoying that a lot of these dramatic situations is essentially down to stupidity).

Eugene vaguely being commended at the end of the episode for his actions (creating a distraction by "biting a dick", lol) was silly. He was essentially to blame for the situation occurring in the first place. Tssk.

Posted by: Severin Mar 21 2016, 07:47 PM

Spoliers ahead

Don't read on if you don't want to see details and mild speculation.

























What a very strange episode. By turns it was stupid, boring, funny and shocking.
Stupidity once again dominates pretty much everything in the episode - and Carol continues to make major decisions with very little screen time spent trying to explain the build up even though the character arc actually make sense.

Not convinced it was Eugene's fault. He may well have led them towards Alexandria or they may have come across them by chance but it's not made clear this week.


On the plus side there was finally a scene where it was or had been raining. I swear Georgia has had a pretty severe drought for years now.
And Carol get's the killer line again with 'they didn't do anything'. So many different layers of meaning in that once again.


It's also looking more and more like Carol will meet Lucille. Negan will catch her and bring her out as the 'example'

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 21 2016, 10:08 PM

I am NOT ok with that death. So much wasted potential of a great actress.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 21 2016, 10:42 PM

basically if your a lesbian on american tv your gonna get shot in the face.

Posted by: Severin Mar 22 2016, 12:27 AM

Personally I'm glad she's gone. I found her to be incredibly annoying and she brought nothing of note to the show

Posted by: Rooney Mar 22 2016, 12:32 AM

I started to warm to her in that episode, but when she had the full face shot and started ranting, I did think something bad was about to happen!

The problem the show has, is a lot of the secondary characters are just totally boring. Infact, most of the Alexandrians are apart from Aaron.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 22 2016, 12:40 AM

I wonder if Carol does what she does in the comic next week.

Posted by: Iz~ Mar 24 2016, 02:42 PM

Denise was one of the most interesting Alexandrians left, I've been liking her ever since she started going out with Tara. I could tell that something was up but it still hit me right in the gut when it happened. Although yet again the Saviours are defeated with relative ease and very few casualties on our side. They seem to have limitless numbers of goons.

Posted by: Jacob Alan Mar 24 2016, 04:28 PM

We haven't seen Negan yet though, he'll be sure to change all of that. I got the impression that the guy that stole Daryl's crossbow was originally running away/ leaving the saviours so interesting to see he was reconciled. A shame about Denise, she was just starting to get interesting and starting to get the hang of surviving as well, they also need doctors.

Can't believe Carol's left again too, she'd better be back before long. Only positive from this episode is Daryl has his crossbow again.

Posted by: burbe Mar 24 2016, 05:19 PM

Like last time, they've probably put Carol out of the way for when it all goes wrong so she can come back and save the day!

Posted by: Rooney Mar 24 2016, 06:41 PM

Have people heard the big rumour going round about the finale?

We will have to wait until October to see who dies.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 24 2016, 06:44 PM

Sasha has to go.

Posted by: jase. Mar 24 2016, 08:48 PM

please. f***ing. no.

Posted by: burbe Mar 24 2016, 09:44 PM

Please no!

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Mar 26 2016, 04:53 PM

Why would they do that? TWD is not one of those shows who need a cliffhanger to keep or draw audience. Imagine if they do that and in October we find out nothing happens? They've already fooled us once with Glenn. I'd get really mad.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 26 2016, 05:19 PM

As long as the holy trinity of Michonne Carol and Maggies are fine.

Posted by: HarryEzra Mar 26 2016, 06:07 PM

Poor Daryl

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 27 2016, 06:28 PM

im rewatching Season 2 and i forgot how wooden Sarah Wayne Callies was. It also doesn't help that Lori was such a hateful character.

Posted by: sammy01 Mar 28 2016, 01:35 PM

Just caught up on last weeks and this weeks (the ep that airs tonight in the UK) so spoilers might be ahead.






Why bother letting Denise and Eugene go on runs, it is just an added risk that whoever is with them should factor in.

Denise dying was a bit pointless when she has plenty of scope for development, where as say Sasha has been in it for years and is still as pointless as ever.

The ep airing tonight annoyed me as the saviours seemingly get the jump on 'our' guys again both Carol and Michonne and Glenn and just appear from behind trees or anywhere, yet are pretty much useless after that. Carol took down 4 when they had her basically there for the killing.

Why are they still adding in odd scenes here and there with that annoying young girl Enid, her story arc so far has been utterly useless what a waste of screen time.

How many Saviours are there? They must have killed 50 by now at least, the roadside gang they blew up, the raid on the base camp thing, the 6 Carol and Maggie took out, the at least 5 or 6 Rosita, Daryl and Abe killed and now another 4 Carol kills. Do they just have an endless supply of guys. Plus the main guy Carol takes out was kinda hot, why cant our cast be hot (Spencer is but is so in the background I forget he exists).

There is also no way Daryl is dead, it will be some odd angle where he actually shot a walker or Daryl's shoulder.

Posted by: sammy01 Mar 28 2016, 01:45 PM

She was always the worst part of the first 3 seasons by a mile. I wanted to smash my laptop during her speeches to Andrea about how the women should be cooking and cleaning. She also spent most of her time treating Rick like dirt when if I was the one who had 'cheated' on my not so dead husband I'd be doing everything I could to please him now.

Posted by: Severin Mar 28 2016, 05:51 PM

Spoilers





So TWD finally got around to Morgan and Rick airing their differences with each other and it was easily the highlight of an otherwise dull episode that yet again showcased stupidity from the main characters. The pre-finale teaser's line 'the price will be paid' is suitably ominous, but the main question remains as to who will pay for Rick's hubris. Next week's turning point moment (ouch) will have to change everything as it is becoming harder and harder to root for our 'heroes' when they are this cold, brutal, arrogant and dumb. Rick is not far from the same character as The Governer at the moment (if you exclude the dead kids and zombie heads) even if they've avoided directly referencing it.
Beyond that there was some nice biblical symbolism with the apple (will Adam & Eve be thrown out of paradise?) and possibly even Maggie's haircut (Samson?)

Posted by: sammy01 Mar 28 2016, 06:58 PM

I thought the speech Morgan gave to Rick had more holes than Swiss cheese. His whole angle can be dispelled with 'if you had killed the wolf the chain of events wouldn't have happened that Denise's life would be in trouble in the first place'.

Daryl is suffering the consequences of not killing the guy who ended up stealing his bike, which has now included getting Denise killed and Carol knows you cant love and live in a community like they are without killing which has been proved time and again.

The whole episode felt like making conflict and splitting the group up and getting certain people away from the ASZ for the final, when in reality they should and would all be there preparing for an upcoming attack and making the place as safe and secure and everyone training to be at their best.

Posted by: Mackenzie Mar 28 2016, 07:48 PM

can Morgan just die yet???

Posted by: Mart!n Mar 28 2016, 09:00 PM

That ending, did they shoot the cameraman

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 28 2016, 09:31 PM

can Andrea just come back to life please. So not here for that f***ing flop Sasha to take over her sniper duties.

Rick taking a bite of Michonne's shag apple was amazing.

Posted by: burbe Mar 28 2016, 09:39 PM

I thought the same about Morgan's speech. If he killed him in the first place, none of the following would have happened! Yeah, I find it hard to believe they would have been acting like that with such an imminent threat.

Posted by: Severin Mar 28 2016, 11:24 PM

You're missing the point of Morgan's argument. If we ignore that Carol's actions allowed the Wolf to have the opportunity to cause a problem, Morgan himself says of his actions “I’m not right. There is no right. There’s just the wrong that doesn’t pull you down.”

And that's the crux of it. Morgan's complete pacifism isn't the answer, it will potentially come back to bite you, as we have seen time and again on the show, but on the flip side, Rick's ''I don't take chances anymore'' outlook has led to the group descending into brutality and pre-emptive attacks on other groups. Their attack on the Saviors was based on little more than a few words from the Hilltop group without any real information to back up their claims. Even Abraham, Sasha and Daryl's run in with them, whilst understandably tense was threatening but non-violent until Daryl killed one guy and then used the RPG. Even the other saviors commented about that group being a bit volatile.
Rick at this point has basically led them to become murderers and extortionists. Carol sees it too. Hence when Daryl asked 'Are you good?' after she'd straight up murdered a bunch of strangers (including the rather lovely Alicia Witt), she replied 'No'.
Our heroes are no longer good people
They are as cruel and violent as most of the shows previous villains.

The character of Morgan currently acts as the conscience of the group. He's the nagging doubt about the loss of their humanity. About what separates them from all the other arseholes out there.

Posted by: Alejandjob Mar 28 2016, 11:28 PM

How f***ing good is Carol though.

Posted by: (Zach) Mar 29 2016, 02:09 PM

I agree about the Saviors. I don't know how they keep conveniently trapping members of the group. How many times has it happened now? The first time with Daryl, the second time with Daryl/Rosita/Denise, this episode with Carol, and now a third time with Daryl/Rosita right after nabbing Glenn and Michonne. Am I missing anything? It's just starting to feel a little redundant.

HOWEVER, that Carol moment was the highlight of the episode. She is an absolute boss with her machine gun arm

Posted by: Severin Mar 29 2016, 03:14 PM

Presumably because the saviors know exactly where Alexandria is and have been watching it for some time. In last nights episode they named it, gave it's location and pointed out Carol's spiked up car was exactly like those parked out the front.

Either that or it's poor writing.

Posted by: jase. Mar 29 2016, 08:45 PM

So...remember the leaked Negan footage from last year?

http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2015/11/the_walking_dead_season_6_wrap.html

An article from when it happened ^

"The scene was shot from the point of view of the person being killed and appears to be authentic."

^ This goes along side the leaked finale details from last week. What a f'n mess.

Posted by: Rooney Mar 29 2016, 08:47 PM

It's going to end that way for sure. Have to wait until October to find out the outcome.

Posted by: jase. Mar 29 2016, 09:04 PM

Which doesn't really go with what the cast have been saying. How are we supposed to be "heartbroken" and "shocked" if we don't know wtf happens So bizarre.

Posted by: (Zach) Apr 3 2016, 02:57 PM

I don't think they would do that to us. I think that would really piss a lot of viewers off. Anyway, very anxious for tonight!

Posted by: Rooney Apr 3 2016, 04:18 PM

All signs lead to it. The only saving grace is apparently they've added an extra 3 minutes to the full episode that was not sent to press screenings..

Posted by: jase. Apr 3 2016, 11:21 PM

"It's probably the best final moment of a season we've ever had," executive producer Robert Kirkman told The Hollywood Reporter. "It's entirely possible there's going to be a painful summer for 'Walking Dead' fans."

There's your confirmation about the cliffhanger ending

Posted by: (Zach) Apr 4 2016, 02:59 AM

That was ridiculous. I didn't want Rooney to be right. So disappointed that they would end the season that way.

Posted by: Jonjo Apr 4 2016, 05:36 AM

SEMI SPOILERS (I'm not sure it classes as a spoiler, but Zach seems to have spoiled it so I will warn incase haha)










Why? It makes sense as to why they ended it that way? Surely? It gets people talking and anticipating on who it is. I don't think it takes away any of the pain or shock factor. I hate that they've done this, but I can definitely see why they have and in the way they did! I loved it personally (even if I am frustrated at it all! Lol).

This is the first time a TV show or film has made me heave/almost made me physically sick. When it cut off at the end, I had to pull up my bin next to me as I don't think I had time to run to the toilet.

That's the most suspenseful I've felt through this show, so far!

EDIT: Does anyone here watch 'Talking Dead'? (It's amazing, btw) Scott Gimple said that the reason for that ending was something about it being the end of a chapter, because whoever it is that's died, it will have a knock on effect sort of and will become the start of the new chapter

Posted by: Jaÿ Apr 4 2016, 06:58 AM

I can't help but feel disappointed. That was a very cheap cliff hanger. ):

That was easily one of the most dire & horrific situations the characters have found themselves in to date, so I wish the scene had gone all the way and revealed the identity of who was on the receiving end of Lucille. I think making it a mystery ultimately lessened Negan's impact.... viewers should have been left reeling, rather than scratching their heads.

I just want to feel some kind of emotion for these characters again. The ambiguity has left me feeling annoyed, and kind of empty... meh.

Posted by: Jonjo Apr 4 2016, 11:16 AM

I disagree and I'm a fan of these cheap cliffhangers and I don't think it lessens thr impact of him at all tbh.

Posted by: burbe Apr 4 2016, 05:03 PM

Completely agree with Jay! The tension was unbelievable leading up to the cliffhanger, but the lack of identity reduces the impact that someone just died. The focus has turned to who died rather than the brutal nature in which it happened, which kinda spoilt the moment.

Very disappointing ending, when it could have been one of the show's most shocking moments.

I guess I was right about them having Carol leave to keep her away from the danger again like how she missed the prison showdown. I really enjoyed her and Morgan's scenes and I'm intrigued to see who those two guys are.

Posted by: Severin Apr 4 2016, 07:46 PM

Well, that was bullshit.


A great episode all round right up to the last few seconds.

Completely agree with Jay and Burbe's points. What should and could have been a stunningly brutal ending turned in to a 'is that it?' moment.

TWD finally gave us a true horror show and when it came to the crunch they flinched first.

On the plus side Jeffrey Dean Morgan was every bit as sadistically funny and charming as I had hoped. I'll be rooting for him over Rick's dour miserableness next season.

Posted by: Jimmy Jam Apr 4 2016, 09:41 PM

That season finale was epic! I agree with Jonjo, I really liked the ending, it's got me soooo geared up for S7, shame about the 6 month wait...

Posted by: Rooney Apr 4 2016, 11:17 PM

The last 10 minutes was amazing, seriously edge of the your seat stuff, but it was a cheap cliffhanger. I'm sorry but it makes no sense at all. How can they do any Season 7 promotion material when every main character bat a select few were out there. It cheapens the impact of a great death. Knew it was going to happen, but it just really pisses on the viewers, cos how they expect to keep who dies a secret for 6 months is ridiculous.

Posted by: burbe Apr 4 2016, 11:19 PM

It should have been The Walking Dead's Red Wedding moment, but it wasn't!

Posted by: Rooney Apr 4 2016, 11:24 PM

It's ridiculous. For the record I think it is the same person that gets it in the comics. They've done the cliffhanger because they're trying to throw a spanner in the works. If it's anyone other than Michonne/Daryl/Glenn/Maggie then the show's really jumped the shark. It's a real, real cheap cliffhanger. Can't defend that at all. Such a shame, as it spoiled an otherwise great episode.

Posted by: Chez Wombat Apr 4 2016, 11:58 PM

I did not marathon through six series of this for the last few months for it to end with that I pretty much echo everyone else's thoughts - it ruined a perfectly suspenseful moment and a great episode making up for the relative filler of the last two. Tis a pity as the season as a whole was really strong up until now and these constant stupid decisions and unfathomable actions in the last few episodes have spoiled it somewhat. I honestly thought that served the group right for being so rash and taking on the saviours in the first place.

In terms of the cliffhanger, it can't be Rick or Carl as Negan said 'if anyone moves, take the boy's other eye out' so he can't be beating him up (and by this, Rick too as that would be a suitable threat to Rick and it's unlikely he'd kill him that soon after 'recruiting' him). Glenn seems the logical choice because of the comics, though it did look like he picked someone in the centre while Glenn was at the end (and that wouldn't be that much of a shock given that's what happens in the comics). Maggie, Daryl and Michonne would probably just about maintain the shock, but any of the others are really not worth the six month wait (just imagine if it's bloody AARON ). So there's like a...60% chance this is gonna be disappointing lol.

Still, a decent finale to a decent season, just hope S7 has less of the show trolling us~

Posted by: Alejandjob Apr 5 2016, 12:21 AM

The showrunner did say the way it was shot left some clues as to who it is. Watch it be f***ing Sasha or Aaron.

Posted by: Jimmy Jam Apr 5 2016, 12:26 AM

It can't be Sasha or Aaron, they have more to give also praying for Rosita, Daryl, and Michonne's safety

Posted by: (Zach) Apr 5 2016, 12:57 AM

I do think it's time they kill off an original but of the four, Glenn is the last one I want to see go.

Posted by: Iz~ Apr 5 2016, 02:25 AM

I'll say this for it, I was gripped to the screen from the moment Negan appeared until about the last 5 seconds. He was every bit as menacing as hoped for.

This is a cliffhanger I could have seen working, perhaps, if it was pre-Internet. Very little way for the secret to leak even over 6 months then. As it is, they are going to have a hard time on their hands. And it will eventually lessen the impact of the death of one of their major characters. I'm just imagining now how much better it would have looked if we'd seen who it was. On that, yeah, poor decision, it won't hold up in the long run and even now it's a bit meh.

Out of the candidates I'm 'hoping' for Glenn or Daryl, it would be a shame to lose an original but both have had their moments and Daryl especially feels rather lost as a character lately. Killing Maggie or Michonne would be a huge shock and quite impactful though. Would be very saddened if it were Abraham or Eugene but I feel they're unlikely. The rest... I would be very surprised if it were them.

Posted by: Jimmy Jam Apr 5 2016, 02:28 AM

I could see the perks of Daryl or Glen being killed off, on the one hand Daryl is such a fan favourite that it would have the desired effect of making people hate Negan like mega. Plus he's one of the more isolated or independent, i can't think of a word members of the group, so his death though would devastate everyone else wouldn't have a domino effect on another character per-say. Glen on the other hand, obviously directly linked to Maggie, so if they wanted her character to take a new path, or change her up a bit then that could be interesting. And also the same point about fan favourite. I'd like both to survive and it be Eugene or Abraham personally, but between Daryl and Glen, I would keep Daryl

Posted by: Severin Apr 5 2016, 12:36 PM

Looking at the episode as a whole it would seem both Eugene and Abraham are the most telegraphed

Posted by: Rooney Apr 5 2016, 07:42 PM

Still think it's Glenn for me. I do wonder if they left deliberate red herrings, they like to do that.

Still reeling. First the fake Glenn death, then trying to make Daryl in trouble and now a cliffhanger death. It's really cheap writing. If anything, thinking about it, I wonder if the fake Glenn death was trying to test to the waters for how the audience might react to the death.

Posted by: jase. Apr 5 2016, 10:12 PM

http://carl-greyems.tumblr.com/private/142035415291/tumblr_o4xdeaiypi1v88mdc

This slowed down audio suggests that it's Glen. Be warned - it's nightmare-inducing

Posted by: Severin Apr 5 2016, 11:15 PM

I hope it's Glenn. I'd prefer Maggie but Glenn will do.

Posted by: Rooney Apr 5 2016, 11:20 PM

I've been reading a bit about it today - and some of the theories floating about make sense (well in logical sense, not sure about the writers/producers/AMC).

The first person shots were done for a reason, are we making the assumption that the same person we saw all the first person shots through is the same person that dies? It makes logical sense - meaning it could only be Daryl, Michonne, Glenn or Rosita. Then in a screenshot you can see Daryl's head from the 1st person view. Think the obvious person is Glenn. It makes sense story wise as well.

Posted by: Alejandjob Apr 5 2016, 11:32 PM

Please not Michonne. I really couldn't cope and im still not over Andrea

Posted by: Severin Apr 5 2016, 11:41 PM

Not at all convinced by that even if I do agree it's Glenn. Try as I might when I replay the final scene I can't hear most of those voices. There's at least one that isn't Negan that matches though

Posted by: Severin Apr 5 2016, 11:59 PM

Glenn does make the most sense. I've not read the anyone else's theories but right from the beginning of the episode we're POV from inside the van; his death would have the most impact; the Eugene and Abraham set ups are a bit too obvious (and neither would get as much reaction from the viewers) and pointedly when Negan does his little rhyme, immediately after he says 'and you' it cuts to Glenn staring him down.

All of which could be red herrings but I'm going with Glenn too

Posted by: Jimmy Jam Apr 6 2016, 12:23 AM

ALL OF THIS!

Posted by: Jonjo Apr 6 2016, 01:12 AM

That slowed down version is horrifying! Omg.

Oh and btw, the more I thought about it, the more I actually agree with you lot! Although the whole episode itself was fantastic. Just a shame about the reveal being non-existent!

Posted by: Severin Apr 6 2016, 06:36 PM

I've listened to the audio of the finale a few more times now including with it slowed down and I am 100% convinced this video is modified to make it sound this way.
They barely match at all. Negan and the initial scream matches and nothing else.

Posted by: (Zach) Apr 7 2016, 01:48 AM

If I had to rank them in order, starting with who I'd most like to see go, it would be:

1. Eugene
2. Sasha
3. Abraham
4. Maggie
5. Daryl
6. Carl
7. Aaron
8. Rosita
9. Rick
10. Michonne
11. Glenn

Posted by: Alejandjob Apr 7 2016, 04:11 PM

Sasha is so f***ing pointless its not even funny. She's been in it for nearly 4 years and we know f*** all about her.

Posted by: Cody Ballas Apr 7 2016, 08:34 PM

I'm stuck on whether to think it's Glenn or Daryl who dies. I mean, I wanna think Glenn since it would be core to Maggie's character development but Norman Reedus is going to have his own show...

Posted by: Mark. May 28 2016, 11:58 AM

Posted by: 🍑💦🍌 Jun 18 2016, 02:47 PM

Omg I wish I would've stalled longer to watch the finale. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Ridiculous.

Posted by: ♡ Heezus Froot ♡ Jun 18 2016, 02:59 PM

They've apparently shot death scenes for each main character to avoid spoilers. I personally couldn't care less. I haven't thought about TWD since the season finale, to be honest.

Posted by: Jonjo Jun 20 2016, 02:26 PM

Well, I'm really excited. Can't wait for this to be back. Looking forward to seeing what happens with Negan and whether or not the group are willing to co-operate.