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 Tuesday, 09:54 PM
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Well that's 70 minutes of my life I'm never getting back - it's not changing my vote obviously but honestly I think the 'who won the debate' poll coming out near 50/50 is fair and with a gun to my head I probably would say Rishi "won" the debate for what it's worth. He obviously came in with the plan of hammering home 'Labour will increase everyone's taxes by £2,000' and whether or not that's total bollocks, I don't think Starmer did a good enough job refuting that and that'll probably scare some people off. Too many platitudes and non-answers on both sides especially near the start (what did I expect?) Starmer did get better and had a few good moments here and there later on but disappointing overall. Moderation was horrible as well (what did I expect? [2])
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Tuesday, 09:59 PM
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 The owls are not what they seem
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Labour really need to start revealing more policies and why they are the change needed, I know the polls mean they can take their time and their process is a bit different, but we've barely heard from them so far apart from the Diane Abbott scandal and the morning news seemingly has a new desperate, culture war inflamed Tory policy every day ('protection' of biological sex in the Equality Act even though it already is, capping migrant visas etc). I didn't watch the debate as I can't handle a whole hour of dancing around questions and not answering them but seems Starmer may have struggled because of this x
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Tuesday, 10:01 PM
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WINTER IS COMING
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QUOTE(Smint @ 4th June 2024, 09:22 PM)  YouGov poll said Sunak won by 51/49. Didn't watch it myself but shows Starmer needs a bit of work getting his points across about why vote Labour. This also shows why it’s counter productive for people to vote for other parties and ignore voting for Labour as “they’ll win” such as Owen Jones and the ilk. Nobody is under any illusion that a Starmer government will make things better immediately, but it will be better than the Tories. And we will have capable politicians in offices of the State. Not seen anything to do with the debate and tbh I think there’s so much time to go it doesn’t really matter. But if people really want change then no matter what your beliefs, you’re far more likely to get it under a Labour government than a Tory one with the current politics. |
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Wednesday, 11:07 PM
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Yeh it’s not that Starmer did poorly Sunak was able to spout more nonsense about taxes increasing repeatedly which will break through to the idiots who don’t know much because it’s hard to explain in simple ways to the people at home why it’s untrue. I also cringed with Starmer said he would indeed send people to Rwanda if it was proven to work 🙄 making him look shifty.
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Yesterday, 12:22 AM
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 Break the tension
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It begs the question, was it really wise of Starmer to agree to this debate if he was bound by how much he could reveal policy-wise?
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Yesterday, 02:25 AM
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BuzzJack Platinum Member
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It's the old perfumed shit.
The tories are the stinking dog shit. Labour under Starmer is the shit who's foul odour is well disguised by sweet smelling perfume. Certainly the preferable of the two if you had to have one sat in your house. But both are essentially still shit. I will be expressing my vote through the medium of a spoiled ballet paper. It won't matter in real terms, live in a seat that's been safe Labour for donkeys years, but will have made my opinion noted. |
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22 hours ago
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Shakin Stevens
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QUOTE(Jessie Where @ 5th June 2024, 01:22 AM) It begs the question, was it really wise of Starmer to agree to this debate if he was bound by how much he could reveal policy-wise? You’d certainly think he will do better when the manifestos come out but he was vague as he can’t say much which says it all really and why I don’t believe the polls that think the tories will be down to below 150 seats. |
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22 hours ago
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QUOTE(DoBelieveTheHype @ 4th June 2024, 10:10 PM) Didn't watch it because I can't stand Sunak, but it looks from online comments Starmer hasn't handled it well. He can really announce policies because of the way Labour's manifesto making process works - it's created by collaborative rather than policies made up by Tory spads. I reckon Starmer will do better on the second debate, after the manifesto has been published. All Starmer had to do was refute he was going to add 2k in tax for everybody including poor struggling families(which sounded absurd in the first place) and really add what Labour would do to what the Tories have done. But everytime Rishi claimed 2k in tax Starmer would look shifty or talk about Liz truss and it gave the impression he really was adding 2k in tax. I had to check myself. It was a really big misstep because given the Tories record this should be a slam dunk. Rishi is coming to the debate disliked, not trusted and with a woeful record it should be a formality but Starmer made him look more viable. He definitely needs to work on answers and be clearer for Labour’s vision next time. I'm hindsight he should have gave the debates a miss and let deputies do it. Too far ahead nothing to gain at all really, only potentially messing it up and he did to a tiny extent. |
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21 hours ago
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21 hours ago
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20 hours ago
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Good to see that Starmer's relatively poor performance still won the debate going by those polls.
I think 4 July is gonna be a coronation. |
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20 hours ago
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Phew - as the early poll and the usual tedious right wing papers lead with Sunak winning (not that they are that influential any more it seems, giving Labour's gargantuan poll lead). And hopefully Starmer will prepare better for the next one.
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20 hours ago
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Be interesting to know how many people actually watched... I can't imagine the ratings being that high
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19 hours ago
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QUOTE(ElectroBoy @ 5th June 2024, 09:44 AM) Be interesting to know how many people actually watched... I can't imagine the ratings being that high 4.8m. Down on the 6.7m the first Corbyn v Johnson debate got. But still a relatively high figure given overall ratings have fallen in general in the 5 years. |
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19 hours ago
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QUOTE(Liam sota @ 5th June 2024, 08:05 AM) All Starmer had to do was refute he was going to add 2k in tax for everybody including poor struggling families(which sounded absurd in the first place) and really add what Labour would do to what the Tories have done. But everytime Rishi claimed 2k in tax Starmer would look shifty or talk about Liz truss and it gave the impression he really was adding 2k in tax. I had to check myself. It was a really big misstep because given the Tories record this should be a slam dunk. Rishi is coming to the debate disliked, not trusted and with a woeful record it should be a formality but Starmer made him look more viable. He definitely needs to work on answers and be clearer for Labour’s vision next time. I'm hindsight he should have gave the debates a miss and let deputies do it. Too far ahead nothing to gain at all really, only potentially messing it up and he did to a tiny extent. It looks more shifty if you wont debate Sunak imo! |
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19 hours ago
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Shakin Stevens
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QUOTE(Smint @ 5th June 2024, 09:43 AM) Phew - as the early poll and the usual tedious right wing papers lead with Sunak winning (not that they are that influential any more it seems, giving Labour's gargantuan poll lead). And hopefully Starmer will prepare better for the next one. The debates wont matter too much anyway as peoples opinions of the leaders are already concrete imo. |
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19 hours ago
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QUOTE(DoBelieveTheHype @ 5th June 2024, 10:30 AM) 4.8m. Down on the 6.7m the first Corbyn v Johnson debate got. But still a relatively high figure given overall ratings have fallen in general in the 5 years. Yeah that is a lot higher than I expected! |
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17 hours ago
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ 5th June 2024, 10:51 AM) It looks more shifty if you wont debate Sunak imo! Yep, like Theresa’s no-show back in 2017. |
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7 hours ago
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Baby Reindeer
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Upcoming TV events for those interested:
7 June - BBC election debate (7.30pm) 12 June - Sky Leaders' Special Event (7pm) 13 June - ITV multi-party debate (8.30pm) 20 June - BBC Question Time Leaders' Special (8pm) 26 June - BBC head-to-head debate (9pm) https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c877v0e86vko |
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7 hours ago
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Some people have suggested that Starmer’s failure to contradict Sunak over tax was a deliberate ploy. By allowing Sunak to repeat it several times, any c;claim that it was a “slip of the tongue” loses all credibility. Unfortunately, I suspect the right-wing press will not find the space to report that the Civil Service has also disputed Sunak’s claim about how the figures were calculated. |
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