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post Jan 9 2018, 04:07 AM
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Why would Harris or Gillibrand likely do worse than the now seemingly commonly agreed worst candidate to ever exist in the history of ever Hillary Clinton, who came within 50,000 votes of defeating a president who has unquestionably confirmed a lot of the worst expectations of the people who were sceptical of him but gave him a chance with their vote?

(there is one answer I can think of on this that doesn't relate to the candidates themselves)
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post Jan 9 2018, 04:09 AM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Jan 8 2018, 07:29 PM) *
First of all, I very much doubt that Democrats would go for Oprah Winfrey - after attacking the Repubs for standing a candidate with no political experience, it would be quite ironic for them to stand her, in spite of her popularity

Well, it wasn't really their main line of attack on Trump, and in any case it comes down to primary voters. I think the last election showed if anything the limits of the idea that the party decides who to run.


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post Jan 9 2018, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE(IrnQween @ Apr 26 2017, 06:48 PM) *
I'm not even sure WHY I'm engaging again, but let's just wait and see how well GRASS ROOTS MOMENTUM gets old Jezza.


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#toldyouso

USA is NOT ready for a woman president, ESPECIALLY after how bad Hillary was.

SAnders is the only choice. He was the only choice last time too.
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post Jan 9 2018, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 9 2018, 05:22 AM) *
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#toldyouso

USA is NOT ready for a woman president, ESPECIALLY after how bad Hillary was.

SAnders is the only choice. He was the only choice last time too.

Well that's abhorrent.
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post Jan 9 2018, 07:35 PM
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I predict it doesnt matter a stuff who the Dems nominate as they will be running against a party who chose a man who lied to his fanbase, and they will all by then be doing so badly economically and health insurance-wise and so on, that they just won't be bothered about voting for anyone knowing he will just lie again and nothing will change.

Plus he's guilty of so many things he most-likely wont be President by then. If someone as unpopular and corrupt as he cant be shifted by the American Constitution and associated systems then it ceases to be democratic and the USA is finished in the long-term except as a banana republic. More likely Dems will wait till they hold enough power to boot him out and start the ball rolling on dozens of charges against corrupt republicans (for example any government employee who follows Trumps' Fake News Awards instructions becomes guilty of hampering the freedom and integrity of the press and may be prosecuted even if Trump can pardon himself of all of his crimes). They are all implicated, Pence and further down the food chain to the plankton like Trump Jr and Blondie and her Big Biz plotting hubby.

So, The Rock vs Ivanka Trump (assuming she avoids prison). You heard it here first...
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post Jan 9 2018, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jan 9 2018, 08:48 AM) *
Well that's abhorrent.


The only Democrats polling lower than Trump are the female ones. Why? Sexism.

The Republicans used sexist attacks very effectively v Hillary. Some old and rural people there still LITERALLY say 'president is a man's job'.

Hillary was awful - too establishment and neoliberal for the left, too Democrat for the middle and Republicans.

Sanders is the only good candidate.
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post Jan 9 2018, 07:57 PM
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I'd argue that Hillary Clinton was probably the most likely women to become president, and she did after all win the popular vote - however her strategy was flawed as Michael mentions above with a failure to speak to and on the behalf of those left behind and not doing well after the financial crash in 2008. I think she probably thought that the horror of the alternative and countless celebrity endorsements was enough to walk it and they got a little complacent. Having said this I think there will be no better time for a women to win as a Democratic candidate than in 2020, seen as the antidote to Trump, if they were to stand on a slightly left of centre platform with an endorsement from Sanders with a message that engaged and inspired younger supporters as well as stood on traditional Democratic values.

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post Jan 9 2018, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 9 2018, 05:22 AM) *
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#toldyouso

USA is NOT ready for a woman president, ESPECIALLY after how bad Hillary was.

SAnders is the only choice. He was the only choice last time too.

Utter fucking nonsense even on its own grounds. More people voted for female candidates than Trump in the deciding states he won.
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 9 2018, 07:47 PM) *
Sanders is the only good candidate.

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post Jan 9 2018, 11:50 PM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 9 2018, 07:47 PM) *
The only Democrats polling lower than Trump are the female ones. Why? Sexism.

Find me those polls and I might believe you're not just making shit up because you haven't heard of anyone apart from Sanders.
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post Jan 10 2018, 12:13 AM
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Here's an article on it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll...h-warren-235026

I told you Bernie shoulda won. I told you Trump would otherwise win. Now I am predicting a Sanders 2020 run with another socialist. Trump will defeat ANY other Democrat.
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post Jan 10 2018, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 10 2018, 12:13 AM) *
Here's an article on it:

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll...h-warren-235026

I told you Bernie shoulda won. I told you Trump would otherwise win. Now I am predicting a Sanders 2020 run with another socialist. Trump will defeat ANY other Democrat.

A clueless clock is right twice a day.

I'm still not sure Sanders would have won, but Biden and Warren probably would have. Regardless, Trump is less popular than any other President in history at this stage in his first term - the idea that there's only one person who could beat him next time is laughable.

EDIT: The article you shared is from February!
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post Jan 10 2018, 11:53 AM
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"Sanders is the only good candidate."

Please, he's almost 80 years-old. The cult of Bernie needs to end, his supporters are just going to damage the actual 2020 candidate.

Harris please.
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post Jan 10 2018, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE(blacksquare @ Jan 10 2018, 11:53 AM) *
"Sanders is the only good candidate."

Please, he's almost 80 years-old. The cult of Bernie needs to end, his supporters are just going to damage the actual 2020 candidate.


as they already did with the 2016 candidate, which to any sane non-Trump-fan would have surely found preferable to the eventual moron who scraped in due to a distorted system. Bernie could have popped his cloggs by 2020, never mind run a massively exhausting campaign and then do an exhausting job for 4 years. Trump only copes by doing nothing much other than tweeting and playing golf...
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post Jan 22 2018, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 9 2018, 07:47 PM) *
The only Democrats polling lower than Trump are the female ones. Why? Sexism.

The Republicans used sexist attacks very effectively v Hillary. Some old and rural people there still LITERALLY say 'president is a man's job'.

Hillary was awful - too establishment and neoliberal for the left, too Democrat for the middle and Republicans.

Sanders is the only good candidate.

For what it's worth, Sanders is currently polling at 16% in the Democratic primary polls - which is astoundingly bad for someone who has near-universal name recognition and came 2nd with 40% two years ago. Implies his coalition isn't quite as solidly behind him as you think.
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post Jan 22 2018, 09:12 PM
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Among Democrats.

They need independents and Republicans to vote too.

They have opened up more primaries and caucuses and got rid of some superdelegates.

The field is wide open for him to walk across.
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post Jan 22 2018, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 22 2018, 09:12 PM) *
Among Democrats.

They need independents and Republicans to vote too.

They have opened up more primaries and caucuses and got rid of some superdelegates.

The field is wide open for him to walk across.

Why would Republicans vote for Sanders, unless they think a Sanders candidacy makes things easier for the orange one?
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post Jan 22 2018, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 22 2018, 09:12 PM) *
Among Democrats.

They need independents and Republicans to vote too.

They have opened up more primaries and caucuses and got rid of some superdelegates.

The field is wide open for him to walk across.

It's the Democratic primaries. As a rule, Democrats tend to form the bulk of the voters in them. Hint's in the name.

And anyway:

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The Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll online survey of 1,192 registered voters was conducted from Jan. 13 to Jan. 16 The partisan breakdown is 37 percent Democrat, 31 percent Republican, 29 percent independent and 4 percent other.




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As Republicans vote for him in Vermont AND he is the most popular US politician in YEARS with cross-party support AND in inner Democrat strategist surveys, he is the one to beat and they reckon he will be the next candidate. Considering he started off with 2% last time, he is in more than a good position.
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post Jan 23 2018, 09:18 AM
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 22 2018, 10:36 PM) *
AND in inner Democrat strategist surveys, he is the one to beat

Link please.
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