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 The lovely discussion of all things EU and/or Brexit, Part V |
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 25th April 2019, 05:46 AM
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'hardly'? why? What fruits will this ever bear, what necessitated that this happen?
Again, that's the problem, this emotionally based line of reasoning. People (a nebulous group of people who are more important than others?) 'have their say', let's listen to them. Not considering what that is or whether it's worth listening to. The reasoning of which is on YOU (Brexiters) to provide. Not us. |
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25th April 2019, 06:50 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Apr 25 2019, 05:43 AM)  ?? That article. Both sides need to stop polarisation of politics before we get even more divided, but it's the Remainers who are are losing perspective because they're resorting to emotional arguments? Written by a man whose claim to fame is a book entitled 'National Populism: The Revolt Against Liberal Democracy'? That's a right-winger masquerading as a centrist and it's quite rich because right populism is built entirely on thoughts, feelings, uncorroborated evidence and demonisation of the other side, but the left is 'supposed' to act in good faith. The right has free reign. Liberal catastrophisers is an incredibly ridiculous phrase when you think of the ways Leavers have irrationally demanded that we leave the EU, the same with the call to assess things rationally, when Johnson et al promised people the world. So no. No, we haven't lost perspective. The frustrations of years of political life being wasted on this fruitless and unnecessary endeavour has made some of us a little emotional. But seriously, be very wary of any article that claims to be rational and that both sides are bad, while simultaneously predicating its premise on the left making bad arguments. what Iz said, too right. |
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25th April 2019, 06:56 AM
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QUOTE(Iz~ @ Apr 25 2019, 06:46 AM) 'hardly'? why? What fruits will this ever bear, what necessitated that this happen? Again, that's the problem, this emotionally based line of reasoning. People (a nebulous group of people who are more important than others?) 'have their say', let's listen to them. Not considering what that is or whether it's worth listening to. The reasoning of which is on YOU (Brexiters) to provide. Not us. ...and I've been listening to Brexiters for 3 years and their many ever-changing and varied reasons for leaving and they havent even come close to making a valid point, it'e entirely emotional and trying to claim it's patriotism as if the more rational among us aren't and they have the copyright on it and we don't, which is astoundingly insulting given they can't back up any of their claims or promises and resort instead to lies, bitterness and in extreme cases murder and violence. Remainers don't do that because they don't have to - reason is enough, bar a few shouty people with banners. The most-common view these days is " well it was a democratic vote and I'm fed up with hearing about so just do it no matter what the consequences I'll be alright Jack". Even when they won't be and don't realise it. |
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25th April 2019, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 25 2019, 07:56 AM) ...and I've been listening to Brexiters for 3 years and their many ever-changing and varied reasons for leaving and they havent even come close to making a valid point, it'e entirely emotional and trying to claim it's patriotism as if the more rational among us aren't and they have the copyright on it and we don't, which is astoundingly insulting given they can't back up any of their claims or promises and resort instead to lies, bitterness and in extreme cases murder and violence. Remainers don't do that because they don't have to - reason is enough, bar a few shouty people with banners. The most-common view these days is " well it was a democratic vote and I'm fed up with hearing about so just do it no matter what the consequences I'll be alright Jack". Even when they won't be and don't realise it. That's what it boils down to. Quitters have given up pretending that leaving the EU is a good idea and the (fraudulent) referendum result is all they have left. |
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26th April 2019, 05:04 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 25 2019, 07:56 AM) The most-common view these days is " well it was a democratic vote and I'm fed up with hearing about so just do it no matter what the consequences I'll be alright Jack". Even when they won't be and don't realise it. Leave out the ''i'll be alright Jack' part, and you have my view... 
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29th April 2019, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Apr 29 2019, 08:35 AM) Well, duh! I didn't mean it in the literal sense.  Never stopped you before even when you literally WERE alive (and unable to vote, for example) using the royal "we" as if you speak for everyone  OK let's invert it then - I didn't see England complaining when the economy was improving in leaps and bounds when it started trading with Europe as a member. Well, not until made-up bendy bananas became a huge issue thanks to BoJo & The Farage Fan Club (not an actual political party with any policies or ideas on how to achieve Brexit without damaging the country that you love so much) PS we should continue this discussion in the right thread, it's really Brexit again.... |
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5th May 2019, 03:17 PM
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If these leaked Brexit talks about the what the Tories are offering Labour are true, then is Corbyn goes through with it, he's even more of an idiot than I thought.
Not only that, he'll kill the Labour Party. |
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6th May 2019, 08:28 AM
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Saw a suggestion that Labour and Tory leaderships will agree a deal and then it will be defeated in the Commons by an even larger margin.
I really want this. I really want to laugh a lot. Please can I laugh a lot. |
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9th May 2019, 09:05 PM
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Cœur poids plume
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That BBC 4 documentary on Guy Verhofstadht (who I don't particularly like either) and his perspective on the Brexit negotiations was utterly damning on the UK government. Embarrassing to be from that country.
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9th May 2019, 09:06 PM
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20th May 2019, 10:47 AM
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The Secrets Of Farage's Political Success:
Warning, clickbait, this is fictional insinuation. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2...ould-be-telling S'accurate though. |
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21st May 2019, 06:15 AM
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If you disagree with someone's political views, you debate with them, and vote for someone else - you don't act like a toddler throwing their food around!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-70...-milkshake.html All that does is get *you* arrested, and generates sympathy for your opponents... |
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21st May 2019, 06:33 AM
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Sympathy? The man got his clothes a bit wet. And some embarrassment. Which is why it's continuing, because it embarrasses these figures, makes them try and condemn food throwing, which is no worse than politicians getting egged. It's crude, certainly, but by itself it's just a form of protest.
The real worry with it is that... are the Farage fanclub all going to remain calm, will they be proportionate when they seek retaliation for this embarrassment. We've known that in the past that some elements of them can't be. |
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21st May 2019, 06:39 AM
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Overall, this is all Yaxley-Lennon's fault. If he'd been able to have half a political brain and laugh it off the first time it happened rather than resorting to punching his "assailant" and letting his supporters send them death threats then no one else would have thought to copycat it on figures promoting other right-wing ideologies.
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21st May 2019, 06:49 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 21 2019, 07:15 AM) If you disagree with someone's political views, you debate with them, and vote for someone else - you don't act like a toddler throwing their food around! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-70...-milkshake.html All that does is get *you* arrested, and generates sympathy for your opponents... Farage after a political opponent was murdered by one of his radical followers: They're just going to use this to get sympathy! Farage after a milkshake spoils his clothes: waaaaah waaaaah waaaah waaaaah waaaah. The difference is his followers murder people, remainers chuck a mcdonalds. Get real. |
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21st May 2019, 07:07 AM
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The law really needs updating. It’s a harmless liquid so the assault here is to the ego and I’m sorry but you just can’t arrest someone for embarrassing someone.
I’m all for #SplashTheFash being the new #PunchNazis - whatever makes them afraid to spread their disgusting lies and hate tbh |
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21st May 2019, 07:13 AM
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This whole incident has simply allowed Farage to play the victim again, just days after someone was jailed for plotting to murder a Labour MP.
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21st May 2019, 08:10 AM
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Queen of Soon
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He was too scared to get off his archaic bus later that same day. Victory in my eyes.
Only people thinking he’s a victim are the ones so deeply ingrained in the cult they’d drink the kool-aid. |
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21st May 2019, 08:15 AM
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Howdy, disco citizens
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I didn't realise that this was now a radical opinion, but don't throw foodstuffs at politicians, regardless of whether you despise their political views. As I said in another thread, even though I strongly reject their worldviews, I refuse to reduce myself to their level by normalising the throwing of projectiles at them. I thought it was right that the person who threw an egg at Jeremy Corbyn was charged (even if I feel the 28 days in jail he received was too harsh), and in this case I would do the same to milkshake dude.
In other news, a Conservative councillor in Scotland had his car firebombed yesterday morning. |
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21st May 2019, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ May 21 2019, 07:49 AM) Farage after a political opponent was murdered by one of his radical followers: Since the above cannot possibly be referring to Jo Cox (as the killer simply was a nut-job, & Farage cannot possibly be blamed for that), who else did you have in mind? This post has been edited by vidcapper: 21st May 2019, 10:28 AM |
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