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crazy chris
post May 24 2019, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ May 24 2019, 10:10 AM) *
You unfortunately won't ever get him to see that, sadly.



I don't particularly WANT no deal but just want us out at any cost ASAP as I know many other Brexiteers do too. We feel we've been lied to and shafted big time.
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post May 24 2019, 02:06 PM
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A Boris PM will bring about independence for Scotland. That is literally the only non-depressing thing about it
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post May 24 2019, 02:08 PM
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I hope the Tory MP's and then party members do the right thing this time and elect Boris as PM. He'll trounce Corbyn in the next election by getting out there and bring his great personality, fun and quips to the whole country.

Yes, what I look for in a Prime Minister is fun and quips
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post May 24 2019, 02:09 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ May 24 2019, 02:51 PM) *
I don't particularly WANT no deal but just want us out at any cost ASAP as I know many other Brexiteers do too. We feel we've been lied to and shafted big time.

At any cost? Selfish selfish selfish.
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post May 24 2019, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE(Jester @ May 24 2019, 03:09 PM) *
At any cost? Selfish selfish selfish.


There’s no point arguing with Chris. Unfortunately like many people they just want Brexit done at any cost. Many people don’t realise what that cost is actually going to be to them until it happens. It’s also why an elected democracy does not want us to leave without no deal.
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post May 24 2019, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ May 24 2019, 02:42 PM) *
There’s no point arguing with Chris. Unfortunately like many people they just want Brexit done at any cost. Many people don’t realise what that cost is actually going to be to them until it happens. It’s also why an elected democracy does not want us to leave without no deal.




I think at this point it's unfortunately a realistic possibility. I agree with what's been said above that it will literally tear this country apart from years. The only small silver lining will be seeing those who were wetting their knickers over a no-deal Brexit have to live with the consequences. Hopefully they suffer and their lives are permenantly disrupted to a certain extent.
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post May 24 2019, 02:55 PM
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I don't think I have mentally prepared myself for Boris as PM.

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post May 24 2019, 02:57 PM
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QUOTE(mald487 @ May 24 2019, 03:55 PM) *
I think at this point it's unfortunately a realistic possibility. I agree with what's been said above that it will literally tear this country apart from years. The only small silver lining will be seeing those who were wetting their knickers over a no-deal Brexit have to live with the consequences. Hopefully they suffer and their lives are permenantly disrupted to a certain extent.


There will always be something else to blame, and it won't be No Deal Brexit.


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post May 24 2019, 04:45 PM
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Am I the only one who doesn't necessarily like that May's resigned? Don't get me wrong, I don't like her and she was completely incompetent. But the replacements for her are far worse and her can-kicking made the prospect of a people's vote or another referendum more likely.

I feel the EU will get fed up and pretty much give us an ultimatum come October if nothing is still agreed - either leave with no deal or retract Article 50 and remain part of the EU. If we get a PM that's more for a hard brexit, I fear we'll be looking at a no deal come October.

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post May 24 2019, 05:16 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ May 24 2019, 03:42 PM) *
There’s no point arguing with Chris. Unfortunately like many people they just want Brexit done at any cost. Many people don’t realise what that cost is actually going to be to them until it happens. It’s also why an elected democracy does not want us to leave without no deal.



Look we just want the referendum result to be honoured. The EU gave us a reasonable deal. Out of boredom late one night I researched the small print and it's far from perfect but would be acceptable and MP's should have voted for it. Serves them right if we do crash out with No Deal.

The EU will surely lose patience with us soon and refuse any more extensions. They'll say revoke or no deal.

Boris is reported as saying today that he's quite prepared for us to leave with no deal.


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post May 24 2019, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ May 24 2019, 02:42 PM) *
I hope the Tory MP's and then party members do the right thing this time and elect Boris as PM. He'll trounce Corbyn in the next election by getting out there and bring his great personality, fun and quips to the whole country.

How does being a serial liar count as having a great personality? How does being supremely lazy qualify someone for the office of Prime Minister at any time, let alone now? I want a PM who is competent, not fun.
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post May 24 2019, 05:25 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ May 24 2019, 02:51 PM) *
I don't particularly WANT no deal but just want us out at any cost ASAP as I know many other Brexiteers do too. We feel we've been lied to and shafted big time.

But most of the lies came from Johnson and Farage.
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post May 24 2019, 05:25 PM
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Most political commentators today and in fact many Tory MP's that I've heard on the new channels seem to think Boris will be the next PM.
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post May 24 2019, 05:27 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ May 24 2019, 06:16 PM) *
Look we just want the referendum result to be honoured. The EU gave us a reasonable deal. Out of boredom late one night I researched the small print and it's far from perfect but would be acceptable and MP's should have voted for it. Serves them right if we do crash out with No Deal.

The EU will surely lose patience with us soon and refuse any more extensions. They'll say revoke or no deal.

Boris is reported as saying today that he's quite prepared for us to leave with no deal.

An advisory referendum cannot be honoured. A referendum won by fraud should not be honoured.
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post May 24 2019, 05:27 PM
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How does being a serial liar count as having a great personality? How does being supremely lazy qualify someone for the office of Prime Minister at any time, let alone now? I want a PM who is competent, not fun.


How is he lazy? He's held down the job of London Mayor and turned up to grillings and meetings. He served as Foreign Secretary which is a strenuous job with lots of foreign travel.
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post May 24 2019, 05:33 PM
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How is he lazy? He's held down the job of London Mayor and turned up to grillings and meetings. He served as Foreign Secretary which is a strenuous job with lots of foreign travel.

As Foreign Secretary he was too lazy to bother reading the briefings prepared for him. That's how he made so many gaffes.

What did he actually achieve as London Mayor? What are these "grillings" to which he was subjected. Do you mean the occasions when he just insulted anyone who asked a vaguely difficult question?

He was sacked from one job because he was too lazy to get some genuine quotes for an article and just made them up.
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post May 24 2019, 05:37 PM
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What did he actually achieve as London Mayor? What are these "grillings" to which he was subjected. Do you mean the occasions when he just insulted anyone who asked a vaguely difficult question?


The regular grillings of the Mayor. Used to watch them live on BBC Parliament and he came across very informed and knowledgeable about all the subjects.


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post May 24 2019, 05:43 PM
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"...making up quotes, lying to your party leader, wanting to be part of someone being physically assaulted - you’re a nasty piece of work aren’t you?"
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post May 24 2019, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ May 24 2019, 06:37 PM) *
The regular grillings of the Mayor. Used to watch them live on BBC Parliament and he came across very informed and knowledgeable about all the subjects.

So you do mean the "grillings" where he answere4d difficult questions with insults.

I'm still waiting for an example of anything he actually achieved as mayor.

Of course, it would be wrong to overlook some of his other pronouncements. Like, for example, his description of an investigation into alleged child abuse that resulted in no prosecutions as "spaffing money up the wall".
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post May 24 2019, 05:51 PM
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People who know my moral persuasion will be able to pinpoint exactly why I dislike Boris Johnson.

As I've said before, I can't see him being PM, as I can't see him being voted into the final two by his fellow Conservative MPs, regardless of who puts themselves forward for the leadership. I can't make a prediction as two which two they will be until we see who is running, but I think one of them will be someone none of us would have initially expected (no-one would've predicted Andrea Leadsom would have made the final two last time, mainly because no-one had heard of her until that point).
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