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 11th February 2015, 08:57 PM
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QUOTE(► ▲ N @ Feb 11 2015, 09:56 PM)  here's an idea of which albums to expect to get boosts~ the current top 10 albums on Spotify (desktop) 1. Ed Sheeran - x [how surprising!!1] 2. Sam Smith - In The Lonely Hour 3. Sia - 1000 Forms Of Fear 4. Hozier - Hozier 5. Mark Ronson - Uptown Special 6. Maroon 5 - V 7. Calvin Harris - Motion 8. Meghan Trainor - Title 9. George Ezra - Wanted On Voyage 10. Beyoncé - BEYONCÉ And Taylor Swift will drop down like a brick 
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11th February 2015, 09:00 PM
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If I have interpreted the system correctly, an album with fewer than ten tracks will lose out.
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11th February 2015, 09:01 PM
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Divided by 1000 for a sale? That shouldn't make TOO much difference then?
Or am I misunderstanding? This post has been edited by Joe.: 11th February 2015, 09:02 PM |
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11th February 2015, 09:02 PM
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QUOTE(AcerBen @ Feb 11 2015, 08:57 PM) Oh that's actually quite clever. So really it's judged on how popular the non-singles are. I agree. If implemented correctly (basically like the article that Joseph posted), then it could be a very useful determiner for which albums are actually popular in the country that week. It really cannot be like the Billboard one where one song can elevate an album's sales, but instead if all/most tracks are considered, then i'd very much welcome the inclusion. |
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11th February 2015, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Feb 11 2015, 09:00 PM) If I have interpreted the system correctly, an album with fewer than ten tracks will lose out. Fewer than 12 even, because the top 2 still get points. Maybe if it is a 10 track album for instance they add another 2 imaginary tracks with the average again, so it's always 12 sets of points regardless of how many tracks are on the album. |
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11th February 2015, 09:05 PM
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I wonder what happens with regards to greatest hits though? Does streaming a song count towards both its parent studio album and any compilations it's featured on?
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11th February 2015, 09:07 PM
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Good question.. maybe they'll need to move greatest hits to their own chart, or added to compilations chart?
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11th February 2015, 09:07 PM
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I was very skeptical (as I'm sure most people were), but that's a very good system they've worked out for it! I'm impressed.
Besides, the Spotify album chart doesn't differ that much from the actual chart. |
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11th February 2015, 09:08 PM
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Or maybe it just depends on whether you are listening to the track off the album or the compilation. Perhaps if you listen to the actual single/EP, it doesn't count.
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11th February 2015, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(mr_aly @ Feb 11 2015, 09:07 PM) I was very skeptical (as I'm sure most people were), but that's a very good system they've worked out for it! I'm impressed. Besides, the Spotify album chart doesn't differ that much from the actual chart. Yeah, how novel for OCC to get something right
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11th February 2015, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(ˇbré! @ Feb 11 2015, 09:05 PM) I wonder what happens with regards to greatest hits though? Does streaming a song count towards both its parent studio album and any compilations it's featured on? Surely it would count for the album on which it is streamed from? When you stream a song on Spotify or whatever it's always under a specific album or EP or single, so it would just count for that. So when i type in Madonna - Hung Up on Spotify for example, it comes up with one tagged under 'Confessions on a Dancefloor' and another tagged under 'Celebration' so it would just depend on which one of the two i listen to. And yeah if i listen to the version tagged under the single 'Hung Up' it wouldn't count, because i'm not listening to an album. |
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11th February 2015, 09:12 PM
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QUOTE(AcerBen @ Feb 11 2015, 09:09 PM) Yeah, how novel for OCC to get something right They haven't got it right, they've got it wrong in the least wrong way. Including streaming in the album chart is still a stupid idea regardless of how it's implemented. QUOTE(HausofKubrick @ Feb 11 2015, 09:09 PM) Surely it would count for the album on which it is streamed from? When you stream a song on Spotify or whatever it's always under a specific album or EP or single, so it would just count for that. So when i type in Madonna - Hung Up on Spotify for example, it comes up with one tagged under 'Confessions on a Dancefloor' and another tagged under 'Celebration' so it would just depend on which one of the two i listen to. And yeah if i listen to the version tagged under the single 'Hung Up' it wouldn't count, because i'm not listening to an album. That makes sense  I wouldn't know as I have never used any of these streaming services.
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11th February 2015, 09:17 PM
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QUOTE(ˇbré! @ Feb 11 2015, 09:12 PM) They haven't got it right, they've got it wrong in the least wrong way. Including streaming in the album chart is still a stupid idea regardless of how it's implemented. How so? |
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11th February 2015, 09:20 PM
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Oh dear
 I suppose this was inevitable. Technology always moves on... |
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11th February 2015, 09:23 PM
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Not sure how I feel about this. Granted, their formula is much better than the mess the Billboard 200 chart has turned into and it should help dwindling album sales. However, I can imagine people like Ed being around forever and their sales "overinflated" because of it in the long run. As long as they do a sales-only chart as well (which I'm 100% sure they will) then I'm happy.
So if for instance you have "Uptown funk" getting 2,300,000 streams and then the next song is getting 100,000. Would that mean that they would do the average of those (1,200,000) + the streams of the other tracks (let's say it's ~500,000)? So it'll be around 1,700,000/1000 = 1,700 album sales. The only qualm I have is that the streams for "Uptown Funk" would be used to both count towards the singles & albums chart, so you're essentially overinflating the total sales (singles & albums) of an artist by using streams to count as sales twice if you get what I mean? It shouldn't affect the peak position that an artist gets or the sales that much though. Edit: Oh wait! I think I did the forumla wrong: Top two streamed at 2,300,000 & 100,000 for instance. Then the next 10 average 50,000. Does that mean the 2,300,000 & 100,000 are then reduced to 50,000 each and so you have 12x50,000 = 600,000/1,000 = 600 sales? This post has been edited by Envoirment: 11th February 2015, 09:29 PM |
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11th February 2015, 09:27 PM
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Sucks for Taylor Swift.
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11th February 2015, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ Feb 11 2015, 09:23 PM) Not sure how I feel about this. Granted, their formula is much better than the mess the Billboard 200 chart has turned into and it should help dwindling album sales. However, I can imagine people like Ed being around forever and their sales "overinflated" because of it in the long run. As long as they do a sales-only chart as well (which I'm 100% sure they will) then I'm happy. So if for instance you have "Uptown funk" getting 2,300,000 streams and then the next song is getting 100,000. Would that mean that they would do the average of those (1,200,000) + the streams of the other tracks (let's say it's ~500,000)? So it'll be around 1,700,000/1000 = 1,700 album sales. The only qualm I have is that the streams for "Uptown Funk" would be used to both count towards the singles & albums chart, so you're essentially overinflating the total sales (singles & albums) of an artist by using streams to count as sales twice if you get what I mean? It shouldn't affect the peak position that an artist gets or the sales that much though. Edit: Oh wait! I think I did the forumla wrong: Top two streamed at 2,300,000 & 100,000 for instance. Then the next 10 average 50,000. Does that mean the 2,300,000 & 100,000 are then reduced to 50,000 each and so you have 12x50,000 = 600,000/1,000 = 600 sales? OTOH, if there are only ten tracks on the album, all 2.3m streams will count. |
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11th February 2015, 09:42 PM
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It looks like their system wouldn't add much to album sales anyway. 22K + 1K is still 23K and laughably low, but if it makes the record industry feel a little bit better about a dying music format that has no place in the digital era then that's all good I suppose.
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11th February 2015, 09:45 PM
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QUOTE(Joe. @ Feb 11 2015, 09:27 PM) Sucks for Taylor Swift. Could she put just her albums on streaming then? Assuming she wants to  
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11th February 2015, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(Doctor Blind @ Feb 11 2015, 09:42 PM) It looks like their system wouldn't add much to album sales anyway. 22K + 1K is still 23K and laughably low, but if it makes the record industry feel a little bit better about a dying music format that has no place in the digital era then that's all good I suppose. It may not add much to weekly sales but the effect will be more noticeable in total sales for the album. Of course your point does still stand that it disguises the fact albums are much less relevant in the digital age but it will have its benefits. |
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