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Theonix View member profile	Jun 25 2018, 12:28 PM Post #121
BUY Phoenix on Amazon / STREAM Phoenix on Spotify Joined: 12 April 2009 Posts: 27,431 User: 8,661	Echoing the joy that "Biology" has finally been certified and that they now have ten certified singles! Thanks for the full list, Joe.


Seinfeld View member profile	Jun 29 2018, 02:45 AM Post #122
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	Love Machine seems to be a good trickle seller for them, I wouldn't be surprised if it passed the 400k mark before Call The Shots, Something Kinda Ooooh and Jump do! Nice to see Biology pass the 200k mark as well!


Seinfeld View member profile	Jun 29 2018, 10:20 PM Post #123
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	Love Machine must be their biggest download/most streamed pre-2005 song (even bigger than Sound Of The Underground!).


365 View member profile	Jul 2 2018, 09:43 AM Post #124
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 11 October 2013 Posts: 31,023 User: 19,931	QUOTE(Seinfeld @ Jun 29 2018, 11:20 PM) Love Machine must be their biggest download/most streamed pre-2005 song (even bigger than Sound Of The Underground!). Yep, the fact it's on some big playlists has had a big effect on it!


Spice Girls Net View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 03:25 PM Post #125
BuzzJack Gold Member Joined: 3 February 2018 Posts: 2,041 User: 64,815	The Promise was certified Platinum today via the Official BRITs page for sales of 600k


Theonix View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 03:37 PM Post #126
BUY Phoenix on Amazon / STREAM Phoenix on Spotify Joined: 12 April 2009 Posts: 27,431 User: 8,661	Omg! I assumed it'd been Platinum-certified already. That's amazing for them! .


365 View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 04:13 PM Post #127
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 11 October 2013 Posts: 31,023 User: 19,931	ITS ABOOOOUUUUT TIME I always found it odd that The Promise wasn't already plat since it came out back in 2008! Just cause... [2017/12] 726,000 - Sound of the Underground [2018/07] 600,000 - The Promise [2018/03] 359,301 - Call the Shots [2018/06] 311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh [2018/06] 292,827 - Love Machine [2013/11] 250,000 - Jump [2016/11] 234,000 - I'll Stand By You [2013/07] 200,000 - Can't Speak French [2018/02] 200,000 - Something New [2018/06] 200,000 - Biology [2017/07] 171,200 - The Loving Kind [2017/09] 149,992 - No Good Advice [2014/11] 140,000 - Walk This Way [2010/04] 115,000 - Sexy! No No No… [2017/07] 114,424 - The Show [2010/04] 110,000 - Untouchable [2010/04] 90,000 - Life Got Cold [2009/06] 86,131 - I Think We're Alone Now [2010/04] 75,000 - Wake Me Up [2010/04] 70,000 - See the Day [2010/04] 65,000 - Long Hot Summer [2009/06] 52,081 - Whole Lotta History


Seinfeld View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 05:38 PM Post #128
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	QUOTE(Joe. @ Jul 27 2018, 05:13 PM) I always found it odd that The Promise wasn't already plat back in 2008! Just cause... Sales in 2008 were still quite low I suppose. The Promise sold 349k in 2008, and was the 17th biggest seller of the year!


365 View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 06:10 PM Post #129
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 11 October 2013 Posts: 31,023 User: 19,931	QUOTE(Seinfeld @ Jul 27 2018, 06:38 PM) Sales in 2008 were still quite low I suppose. The Promise sold 349k in 2008, and was the 17th biggest seller of the year! 2008 was actually when sales really started to improve considering it won the Brit for best single and was SO big I do think it’s surprising it took this long. Fight For This Love was released only a year later and zoomed past 1 million (PURE!) sales. I’m very glad this has finally made it though...!


Seinfeld View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 06:40 PM Post #130
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	QUOTE(Joe. @ Jul 27 2018, 07:10 PM) 2008 was actually when sales really started to improve considering it won the Brit for best single and was SO big I do think it’s surprising it took this long. Fight For This Love was released only a year later and zoomed past 1 million (PURE!) sales. I’m very glad this has finally made it though...! After the 2003-2007 drought, 2008 was an improvement, but sales were still generally quite low (only 3 singles sold more than 500k!). Here's the Top 250 biggest selling singles of 2008: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=5255176 Fight For This Love is an unfair comparison, Cheryl's debut single was always going to be massive!


Andrew. View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 06:43 PM Post #131
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	QUOTE(Seinfeld @ Jul 27 2018, 07:40 PM) After the 2003-2007 drought, 2008 was an improvement, but sales were still generally quite low (only 3 singles sold more than 500k!). Here's the Top 250 biggest selling singles of 2008: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=5255176 Fight For This Love is an unfair comparison, Cheryl's debut single was always going to be massive! It’s quite sad we’re lucky to get a 100k pure sales song these days. Yay at The Promise


-Jay- View member profile	Jul 27 2018, 07:55 PM Post #132
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,415 User: 3,217	Here's a list of the Platinum, Gold & Silver selling singles, achieved within each calendar year, 2002 - 2012 (i.e. Girls Aloud's year of formation, to the year of their final single release): 2002: Silver - 39 / Gold - 13 / Platinum - 5 2003: Silver - 23 / Gold - 3 / Platinum - 1 2004: Silver - 16 / Gold - 2 / Platinum - 1 2005: Silver - 14 / Gold - 4 / Platinum - 2 2006: Silver - 15 / Gold - 3 / Platinum - 2 2007: Silver - 26 / Gold - 3 / Platinum - 1 2008: Silver - 52 / Gold - 10 / Platinum - 2 2009: Silver - 89 / Gold - 27 / Platinum - 8 2010: Silver - 105 / Gold - 32 / Platinum - 11 2011: Silver - 114 / Gold - 40 / Platinum - 15 2012: Silver - 110 / Gold - 39 / Platinum - 16 2008 was certainly the beginning of increasing sales thanks to the rise in popularity of downloads. As mentioned by Seinfeld, The Promise sold 349k in 2008 alone, and was the 17th best seller of the year. That was achieved in just 10 weeks of availability (Chart Run: 1-2-3-6-7-10-15-20-19-14...). For the time, that was certainly "massive hit" territory, for it to sell that much in a short time. As can be seen above, only two singles went platinum within 2008 - those being X Factor Finalists 'Hero' (the programme's first release for charity), and Alexandra Burke's Hallelujah (X Factor winners single). So achieving Platinum still wasn't commonplace (and as can be seen, hadn't been for a number of years). Duffy's massive hit Mercy was the third best seller of 2008, which accumulated 535,000 sales in ten and a half months. So, 2008 was just a bit too soon for "Platinum within the year of release" to be a likely outcome for "ordinary" singles. By the end of 2009, The Promise had sold just under 482,000 - enough to make it the 100th best selling single of the 2000s decade. Highly respectable sales for the era! To make up the 118,000 sales it needed to go Platinum has proven to be a bit of a slog, but really there was no particular reason for it to continue to sell very well on downloads from 2010 onward, and by the time streaming data started to be included in 2014, it was a 6 year old hit by a defunct girl group who were only really majorly successful in the UK (which isn't very helpful in terms of global streaming services). So it kind of figures that it's taken this long to claw its way to Platinum. It's certainly a shame that Girls Aloud went on hiatus in 2009 from a commercial point of view, because they missed out on the major sales increases that occurred in 2009/2010/2011, which they really could have capitalised on with a couple more album eras. Girls Aloud's loss was Cheryl's gain, who definitely started her solo career at the optimum time! Fight for This Love was unquestionably a much bigger single than The Promise, a phenomenon really (292,845 in its opening week, compared to The Promise's 77,110 - which is only a little over 25% the sales of Fight for This Love). It is worth noting that Fight for This Love also had a markedly better sales climate on its side than The Promise, even though it was just a year later. Not to put a dampener on The Promise though, because that 77k actually represented the highest weekly figure achieved in the 43 weeks of 2008 that had elapsed! It went on to be bettered by The X Factor Finalists - 'Hero', Leona Lewis - 'Run' and Alexandra Burke's 'Hallelujah' before the year came to an end. Fight for This Love was the 4th best seller of 2009, with 745,738 copies sold in its 10 weeks of availability within that year. By the end of 2010 it was on a total of 935,000. A further two years saw it pass 1 million sales (December 2012), and as of September 2017 it had sold 1,097,754 [1,040,958 pure sales, 56,796 streaming sales], so we can assume it's exceeded 1.1m sales now. While I'm on the subject of Cheryl... Call My Name sold 152,001 in its first week (about twice as much as The Promise's first week) and 421,200 by the end of 2012 (just under 7 months of availability). It passed 500,000 as of September 2017. Evidently it didn't quite have the staying power of The Promise. I guess my main point of this lengthy post is that The Promise really was huge at the time but it wasn't really any surprise that it didn't make it close to Platinum during its time as a hit single - it managing to go Gold quite quickly was an incredible achievement. By the way, I'm not sure when Sound of the Underground crossed over 600k, but in June 2009 it was on 624,697. It was awarded Platinum in March 2003, but that was thanks to shipments. It sold 560,000 physically during its time in the chart from 2002-2004. Maybe it would have crossed over 600k sometime in 2008? Wow, it's been a while since I wrote such a lengthy & chart geeky post!


Seinfeld View member profile	Jul 28 2018, 02:45 AM Post #133
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	Jay and his charty/geeky posts x The Promise was definitely a huge hit. I just had a look to see what was the 17th biggest seller of 2017, and interestingly it was Touch by Little Mix. That sold around 920k last year: http://www.buzzjack.com/forums/index.php?s...t&p=3931083 I think that's a fair comparison. The Promise was probably a similar size hit to Touch, but slightly smaller than Black Magic and Shout Out To My Ex.


365 View member profile	Jul 30 2018, 09:03 AM Post #134
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 11 October 2013 Posts: 31,023 User: 19,931	Oh I'm certainly not surprised it didn't go Platinum in its year of release, I know that was very rare - that's not what I meant at all. I'm just surprised that it took a decade! Lots of singles from that year have crossed platinum quite long before this did; Broken Strings, Hot N Cold, So What, Use Somebody, Run, Infinity, Viva La Vada, Greatest Day, Rockstar, Don't Stop the Music, If I Were A Boy, No Air, All Summer Long, The Man Who Can't Be Moved, Human, Distburbia - to name a handful, and the Promise felt just as big (if not bigger!) than a lot of those songs - (I know songs by Rihanna and Beyonce benefit hugely by the artists still being very active since). I'm not trying to put a negative spin on it and take anything away from the girls, they always seem a little hard done by when it comes to sales and seem very unlucky. Bit given they even came back 3 years later and promoted the song on TV again, toured and released a Greatest Hits, it does surprise me that they didn't get this cert 3 or 4 years earlier, that's all! I feel similar about Madonna's 4 Minutes which "only" just went Platinum too. (When I Grow Upp and U only on Silver still despite feeling just as big as some of the above, too! - poor girl groups!) A side note, I'd say The Promise felt just as big as Black Magic actually! Possibly not quite as big as Shout Out, which is why it's so annoying that they went on hiatus when they did!


-Jay- View member profile	Jul 31 2018, 10:56 PM Post #135
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,415 User: 3,217	Take this post with a pinch of salt, but I worked out some rough estimates of what some of their singles might be on now! The methodology is a bit long-winded to explain, but I'll try... I did this based on how their songs tend to do on Spotify in comparison to each other, compared with The Promise's sales growth. I looked at the streams each single achieved between 13th March 2018 and 29th June 2018 (that info is in this thread). For instance, Something Kinda Ooooh managed 74.9% the number of streams than what The Promise achieved in that time (74.9277391% to be precise). The Promise sold 21,855 copies in 45 weeks, so 74.9277391% of that is 16,375 - so that would be the potential number of sales Something Kinda Ooooh might have managed in that same amount of time. Divide that by 315 (that's the number of days in 45 weeks), and then times that answer by 7, and that would show how much it might sell in a week on average = approx 364 sales. Of course this could be highly inaccurate, given there's so many variables that I'm unable to take into account. It's just a rough idea. 743,300 - Sound of the Underground 364,200 - Call The Shots 314,800 - Something Kinda Ooooh 299,700 - Love Machine 204,700 - Something New 200,800 - Biology 181,000 - The Loving Kind 153,300 - No Good Advice 118,700 - The Show I only did these singles because we've had sales updates for them in either 2017 or 2018. It would be too difficult to work out older singles because the impact of streaming would have been a lot less in 2014-16, and for a few of the singles I'd have no idea what they've sold in downloads since their last updates in 2009/2010! ~~~~~ Here are some certification predictions (assuming that the above was 100% accurate & everything continued to grow at the rates I've worked out) - The Loving Kind - Silver in July 2020 Sound of the Underground - 800,000 sales in July 2020 / 900,000 in February 2024 / 1,000,000 in September 2027 Love Machine - Gold in October 2020 (before Something Kinda Ooooh and Call the Shots, thus moving up to being their third best seller) Call the Shots - Gold in April 2021 Something Kinda Ooooh - Gold in January 2023 (by the way, I assume that Jump could be on a similar sales figure to SKO at the moment, so might go Gold around the same time as this) Love Machine - Platinum in April 2025 (while The Show and No Good Advice would still be nowhere near Silver ) No Good Advice - Silver in September 2030. :') (Walk This Way kept pace with No Good Advice on pure sales and even achieves a similar level of streaming, so perhaps Walk This Way could go Silver at a similar time) Anything could happen, of course... streaming could become even stronger than it currently is, Girls Aloud could reunite and thus create boosts across their back catalogue. Therefore the events I've listed above could happen more quickly. Equally other things could happen... perhaps streaming will weaken eventually (due to a future technology change?) or if OCC changes sales rules / BPI change certification levels. We'll have to see in the future whether I end up being right about any of these lol. Let's hope the years don't go by too quickly, I'm really in no rush to find out any of this xx


Andrew. View member profile	Aug 1 2018, 12:14 AM Post #136
is in hibernation Joined: 24 August 2014 Posts: 11,385 User: 21,161	Omg has Something New gone silver? Finally!!!! . Unsurprisingly I find this kind of thing very interesting Jay Fingers crossed for 2030 x


Liam.k. View member profile	Aug 1 2018, 09:12 AM Post #137
BuzzJack Idol Joined: 8 December 2010 Posts: 50,947 User: 12,472	Thanks for the big chart posts, Jay! Always enjoy reading them. Woo at The Promise going Platinum! Very deserved and I guess gives the impression SOTU isn't their runaway best seller (that's not meant to be a dig, just that song has always had strong sales in comparison to the others despite other songs also having great significance and popularity and it's nice to now see one of them boost it sales passed such a prestigious mark).


-Jay- View member profile	Aug 4 2018, 11:36 PM Post #138
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,415 User: 3,217	241,738 - Can't Speak French 87,671 - Wake Me Up 75,271 - Long Hot Summer (27th July 2018)


-Jay- View member profile	Aug 8 2018, 06:08 PM Post #139
"Jayrusaleminians" - Umi. Pronouns: he/him Joined: 4 April 2007 Posts: 41,415 User: 3,217	[2017/12] 726,000 - Sound of the Underground [2018/07] 600,000 - The Promise [2018/03] 359,301 - Call the Shots [2018/06] 311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh [2018/06] 292,827 - Love Machine [2013/11] 250,000 - Jump [2018/07] 241,738 - Can't Speak French [2017/11] 235,000 - I'll Stand By You [2018/02] 200,000 - Something New [2018/06] 200,000 - Biology [2017/07] 171,200 - The Loving Kind [2017/09] 149,992 - No Good Advice [2014/11] 140,000 - Walk This Way [2010/04] 115,000 - Sexy! No No No… [2017/07] 114,424 - The Show [2010/04] 110,000 - Untouchable [2010/04] 90,000 - Life Got Cold [2018/07] 87,671 - Wake Me Up [2009/06] 86,131 - I Think We're Alone Now [2018/07] 75,271 - Long Hot Summer [2010/04] 70,000 - See the Day [2009/06] 52,081 - Whole Lotta History ~~~~~ 27th July 2018: 600,000 - The Promise (Source) 241,738 - Can't Speak French 87,671 - Wake Me Up 75,271 - Long Hot Summer 22nd June 2018: 200,000 - Biology (Source) 8th June 2018: 311,928 - Something Kinda Ooooh 292,827 - Love Machine 16th March 2018: 359,301 - Call the Shots 9th February 2018: 200,000 - Something New (Source) 21st December 2017: 726,000 - Sound of the Underground (Source) 7th November 2017: (Pure sales only) 235,000 - I'll Stand By You (Source) 15th September 2017: 149,992 - No Good Advice 28th July 2017: 171,200 - The Loving Kind 114,424 - The Show 8th November 2014: (Pure sales only) 140,000 - Walk This Way (Source) Pure sales only for all of these: 6th November 2013: 250,000 - Jump (Source) 24th April 2010: (Source) 115,000 - Sexy! No No No… 110,000 - Untouchable 90,000 - Life Got Cold 70,000 - See the Day 21st June 2009: (Source) 86,131 - I Think We're Alone Now 52,081 - Whole Lotta History


Seinfeld View member profile	Aug 22 2018, 05:30 AM Post #140
Is anyone here a marine biologist? Joined: 23 January 2010 Posts: 2,504 User: 10,505	So these are their biggest trickle sellers since June 2009 (I've excluded Something New). Jump is a bit of a rough estimate, I reckon it's probably around the 310k mark. The Promise - 142,380 Love Machine - 111,650 Sound Of The Underground - 101,033 Jump - 87,589 (rough estimate) Call The Shots - 82,163 Something Kinda Ooooh - 81,557 Can't Speak French - 67,409 Biology - 52,911 The Loving Kind - 38,056 I'll Stand By You - 31,234 (pure sales) Untouchable - 23,022 (pure sales) Wake Me Up - 17,103 No Good Advice - 17,075 Long Hot Summer - 15,761 The Show - 15,469 Walk This Way - 12,104 (pure sales) Sexy! No No No... - 5,218 (pure sales) See The Day - 1,366 (pure sales) Life Got Cold - 322 (pure sales) Obviously the figures for Untouchable, Sexy! No No No..., See The Day, Life Got Cold, I Think We're Alone Now and Whole Lotta History are way out of date as they haven't been updated since 2009/2010. Untouchable and SNNN aside, I doubt they've increased that much even with streaming added.