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post Oct 9 2019, 10:59 AM
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I'm quite surprised Cheryl is on 1,683,000 thought she would be quite significantly higher! Especially when you think Melanie C is on over 1 million albums and she has only had one big era. Cheryl has had at least 3 big eras so expected quite alot more considering her first album was a million seller on it's own.

Also Kimberly did really bad when you consider how promo she had and she only just managed to outsell Nadine who only sold in Tesco stores (what a stupid idea!)
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post Oct 11 2019, 01:59 AM
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I thought both Messy Little Raindrops and A Million Lights had sold more than that.

3 Words on over 1m though is amazing to see. That genuinely is a really solid album heart.gif

112K is so low for A Million Lights especially as it had Call My Name as a lead but the campaign was kinda short probably because of Ten. It might’ve pushed for 200K had we got a proper third single in Q4 2012.
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post Apr 9 2020, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(-Jay- @ Apr 23 2014, 01:57 PM) *
I can't even remember where I read about the 99k figure anymore! sad.gif I've been looking for a source. I have found an old estimate on Haven which says it did 100k, but I'm sure I read somewhere that it did "a little less than 100k". Maybe it was worked out via the EOY 2005 chart.

Anyway, whether it was 99k or 100k... that's insane!

I know this is an old post but I was searching through the archives and came across an article which confirmed Girls Aloud just missed out on 100k and somehow remembered a discussion about it here! laugh.gif

From Music Week, December 2012:
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Olly Murs' Right Time Right Place, Michael Buble's Christmas and Emeli Sande's Our Version Of Events also sold more than 100,000 copies last week. It's the first time this year that more than one album has secured a six figure sale - however, it is a far cry from week 51 (Christmas week) 2001 and 2005, which both saw a record 16 artist albums with sales exceeding 100,000. With Now! 50 in 2001, and Now! 62 in 2005 also selling upwards of 100,000 copies, there were 17 six digit sales in each week.
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post Apr 9 2020, 04:21 PM
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laugh.gif Thanks for finding that Liam! A slight shame that Girls Aloud couldn't join the 100k+ club and make 2005 the record breaking year *.* Almost 100k for #17 is mad!

It seems bizarre now to imagine literally millions of CD albums selling in the space of one week (I guess by 2005 there were very few cassette or vinyl sales). And I guess the majority of that would have been in stores, I'm not sure to what extent online shopping had taken off by 2005.


I recently checked my very old Hotmail account and found some midweek data from 2005, which was interesting to look back on! These were the sales in the Thursday 22nd December 2005 midweeks. The formatting is a mess lol:

1
152,249
CURTAIN  CALL  -  THE  HITS  
EMINEM

2
120,029
INTENSIVE  CARE  
ROBBIE  WILLIAMS

3
114,705
BACK  TO  BEDLAM  
JAMES  BLUNT

4
110,827
FACE  TO  FACE  
WESTLIFE

5
97,274
NEVER  FORGET  -  THE  ULTIMATE  COLLECTION  
TAKE  THAT

6
96,397
ANCORA  
IL  DIVO

7
80,213
BREAKAWAY  
KELLY  CLARKSON

8
78,729
KATIE  MELUA
PIECE  BY  PIECE  

9
77,502
DEMON  DAYS  
GORILLAZ

10
73,151
CONFESSIONS  ON  A  DANCE  FLOOR  
MADONNA

11
64,880
COLDPLAY
X&Y  

12
63,572
PCD  
PUSSYCAT  DOLLS

13
62,115
KEEP  ON  
WILL  YOUNG

14
59,763
TALLER  IN  MORE  WAYS  
SUGABABES

15
52,293
EYE  TO  THE  TELESCOPE  
KT  TUNSTALL

16
51,717
EMPLOYMENT  
KAISER  CHIEFS

17
48,714
CHEMISTRY  
GIRLS  ALOUD

18
46,533
RETROSPECTACLE  
SUPERTRAMP

19
46,136
SANCTUARY  
SIMON  WEBBE

20
42,588
EURYTHMICS
ULTIMATE  COLLECTION
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post Apr 9 2020, 05:01 PM
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Yeah, would have been nice if they could have made it. They did pass 100k in three other Christmas weeks though, in 2004, 2006 and 2008.

Looking at those midweeks really puts into perspective how much the market has changed - the 42,588 that #20 sold midweek would have been enough for #5 for the full week last Christmas!
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post Apr 9 2020, 09:44 PM
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It's so sad how much the albums chart has declined, I wonder why? Is it due to streaming or just a decline over time?
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post Apr 9 2020, 11:00 PM
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I've compiled the best weekly album sales of each year (2000-present) to see the trends. I guess it would be more accurate to look at the yearly totals but I don't think that info is widely available so I've done the next best thing.

The first column is pure sales, second includes streams:

W/E 30 December 2000 - 10,298,132
W/E 29 December 2001 - 9,768,027 (-5.15%)
W/E 28 December 2002 - 9,232,167 (-5.49%)
W/E 27 December 2003 - 8,868,697 (-3.94%)
W/E 01 January 200500 - 8,884,280 (+0.18%)
W/E 31 December 2005 - 10,581,571 (+19.1%)
W/E 30 December 2006 - 10,176,752 (-3.83%)
W/E 29 December 2007 - 8,324,707 (-18.2%)
W/E 27 December 2008 - 7,295,980 (-12.36%)
W/E 26 December 2009 - 6,820,881 (-6.51%)
W/E 25 December 2010 - 5,724,064 (-16.08%)
W/E 31 December 2011 - 6,026,781 (+5.29%)
W/E 29 December 2012 - 5,527,603 (-8.28%)
W/E 28 December 2013 - 4,598,813 (-16.8%)
W/E 27 December 2014 - 4,204,633 (-8.57%)
W/E 31 December 2015 - 4,427,760* (+5.31%) 4,905,885 (+16.68%)
W/E 29 December 2016 - 3,393,159 (-23.37%)** 3,991,149 (-18.65%)
W/E 28 December 2017 - 3,019,122 (-11.02%) 3,900,520 (-2.27%)
W/E 27 December 2018 - 2,149,061 (-28.82%) 3,228,818 (-17.22%)
W/E 26 December 2019 - 1,503,310 (-30.05%) 2,798,545 (-13.33%)

*3,977,890 (-5.39%)
**(-14.7%)

2015 saw Adele's 25 have untypically huge sales so I've also shown the total without her sales too.

Album sales have generally been going down since the turn of the century although quite gradually during the Noughties (not sure what caused the spike in 2005). I guess the recession increased the decline and 2010 was a particularly bad winter. Then streaming started to become more prominent this decade although it was only in the last couple of years that it really started to kill off album sales. Streaming seems to be curving the decline slightly but not at a faster rate than pure sales are falling.
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post Apr 11 2020, 05:51 PM
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Interesting that 2005 had such a surge! Not many of the biggest sellers of that week in 2005 appealed to me. Madonna was far and away the best album in the Top 10, at #10! (Lol I say this like I've heard the albums by James Blunt, Robbie, Westlife, Il Divo... but we just know Madonna's was better than those without having to listen x)
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post Apr 11 2020, 06:46 PM
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If I've worked it out right then I think 2005 had the maximum amount of Christmas week build up sales (18th to 24th December), don't know if that helped or not.
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post Apr 24 2020, 07:59 PM
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What’s good about GA is they managed some great album sales despite their chart runs on paper not looking that great. Almost makes up for their single sales not being what they should be.

Like their albums mainly their first 3 didn’t spend that long top 40 yet all went platinum.

What Will The Neighbours Says sales are really good! Imagine an album these days spending just 8 weeks top 40 sales would be nowhere near even 150K let alone 600K.
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post Apr 25 2020, 09:57 AM
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^ I miss album sales being really strong! sad.gif Download sales weren't included in the album chart until April 2006, therefore Girls Aloud 100% relied on people buying CDs in stores (or online) during their first 3 album eras. What Will the Neighbours Say literally only had one CD format available, which seems funny when you think of all the multi-format releases these days! At the time though, cassettes were considered as being a redundant format and had only been phased out just a year or two earlier, while vinyl albums weren't very popular or widely released... so there wasn't really a way in which labels could encourage multi-buying, although in those days they really didn't need to when they could shift hundreds of thousands of CDs.

Out of interest I looked at what the overall sales would be for an album going 06-09-13-12-15-18-27-38 in the equivalent weeks in 2019/2020 [6th Dec 2019 to 24th Jan 2020] and it would have reached around 68,500 in 8 weeks. In 2004, What Will the Neighbours Say sold 85,717 in its first week.

Unfortunately I don't know any other weekly sales for the album, so I have no idea how much it sold in those 8 weeks. Apparently it had sold just short of 400,000 by the end of 2004 though, so I suppose it would have been over 400,000 by the time it left the Top 40.

Looking at the rest of the What Will the Neighbours Say chart run, you're probably right that it would have struggled to ever reach a total of 150,000 in today's sales climate.

I agree with you that their album sales makes up for their single sales being lower than what we're used to these days [even though they were decent back in those days]. I'm fairly certain that Girls Aloud are the only girl group with five platinum studio albums in the UK! Little Mix will eventually equal that.
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post Apr 25 2020, 12:38 PM
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So many good points made there Jay! I didn’t even think of just how different the charts were then compared to now when I wrote that. I miss the days especially in Q4 when album sales were just super strong and you get the chart battles as well

Their albums chart runs are kinda like how singles used to perform (well their first 3 albums). Tangled Up and Out of Control managed to have longer times spent on the charts.

It shocked me looking at their chart runs I was thinking for some eras they could’ve been like Britney (high debut, second week drop then months later they climb back top 20 or in some cases get a new peak) like with singles being pushed / promo etc.

They did very well to get 5x platinum albums though. What really fascinated me most was their debut album being their lowest seller for some reason I thought it was their biggest up until Out Of Control come along!
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post Apr 25 2020, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE(Jay ☆ @ Apr 25 2020, 10:57 AM) *
Out of interest I looked at what the overall sales would be for an album going 06-09-13-12-15-18-27-38 in the equivalent weeks in 2019/2020 [6th Dec 2019 to 24th Jan 2020] and it would have reached around 68,500 in 8 weeks. In 2004, What Will the Neighbours Say sold 85,717 in its first week.

Unfortunately I don't know any other weekly sales for the album, so I have no idea how much it sold in those 8 weeks. Apparently it had sold just short of 400,000 by the end of 2004 though, so I suppose it would have been over 400,000 by the time it left the Top 40.

Wow, that really puts it into perspective how much the market has dropped! ohmy.gif Selling 100k is a hit album these days but would have been such a flop back then.

The only other bit of sale info I can give is that the w/e 1 January 2005, when the album placed at #12, Green Day's American Idiot was one place lower and sold 104,790, so we know Girls Aloud definitely sold over 100k.
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QUOTE(Jordan Lee @ Apr 25 2020, 01:38 PM) *
What really fascinated me most was their debut album being their lowest seller for some reason I thought it was their biggest up until Out Of Control come along!

Thankfully the re-release (out on 1st December 2003) really helped Sound of the Underground. As of 30th November 2003 the album had only sold 143,000 copies! The re-release helped the album re-enter the chart at #42... which doesn't seem great, but it still sold 26,000 copies at that position. By the end of 2003 Sound of the Underground had sold 245,000. By 21st June 2009 it had sold 366,514, and on 2nd August 2019 it was on 372,193 [so a rather modest 5,679 sales in 528 weeks laugh.gif ].

QUOTE(Liam.k. @ Apr 25 2020, 02:05 PM) *
The only other bit of sale info I can give is that the w/e 1 January 2005, when the album placed at #12, Green Day's American Idiot was one place lower and sold 104,790, so we know Girls Aloud definitely sold over 100k.

Incredible sales! wub.gif So What Will the Neighbours Say, The Sound of Girls Aloud and Out of Control all had weeks where they sold over 100k, and Chemistry came incredibly close to having a 100k week as well!


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This discussion made me remember that I have quite a few weekly sales figures for The Sound of Girls Aloud and Out of Control:

The Sound of Girls Aloud
01. 84,354 (#01) [05/11/06]
02. 60,926 (#03) [12/11/06]
03. 49,590 (#04) [19/11/06]
04. 54,639 (#07) [26/11/06]
05. 67,954 (#07) [03/12/06]
06. 84,062 (#07) [10/12/06]
07. 95,785 (#08) [17/12/06]
08. 129,888 (#11) [24/12/06]
= 627,198 in 8 weeks

[^ It was also #11 in its 9th week; George Michael was at #10 with 45,806 sales]


Out of Control
01. 85,670 (#01) [09/11/08]
02. 51,865 (#03) [16/11/08]
03. 45,894 (#05) [23/11/08]
04. 52,884 (#09) [30/11/08]
05. 55,110 (#09) [07/12/08]
06. 77,384 (#08) [14/12/08]
07. 125,047 (#05) [21/12/08]
08. 97,932 (#05) [28/12/08]
09. 22,259 (#10) [04/01/09]
10. 9,831 (#14) [11/01/09]
= 623,876 in 10 weeks


I looked back at The Sound of Girls Aloud's chart run and it was pretty impressive heart.gif

UK Top 200 Chart Run
[1st Entry: 05/11/06] 01-03-04-07-07-07-08-11-11-13-17-22-28-43-62-74-105-106-108-104-110-144-159-190-174-160-190-184-162-96-88-100-132-152-175-161-176-161-140-118-100-99-126-149-137-185-Out
[2nd Entry: 21/10/07] 184-174-158-144-147-87-95-100-101-124-135-121-137-163-190-Out
[3rd Entry: 04/05/08] 118-106-110-128-174-193-Out
[4th Entry: 22/06/08] 168-167-170-126-128-142-186-Out
[5th Entry: 17/08/08] 180-121-124-152-144-103-121-135-114-109-44-48-53-60-52-73-83-79-61-45-06-15-10-Out
[6th Entry: 08/02/09] 187-Out
[7th Entry: 22/02/09] 175-Out
[8th Entry: 08/03/09] 40-37-53-31-27-45-54-62-61-73-90-104-121-156-163-Out
[9th Entry: 12/07/09] 182-173-198-174-168-126-99-122-92-102-119-110-193-174-133-107-108-98-89-93-103-117-121-125-120-Out
[10th Entry: 14/03/10] 168-160-154-128-157-173-177-183-181-169-Out
[11th Entry: 27/06/10] 198-199-Out
[12th Entry: 22/08/10] 161-62-78-107-148-181-Out



It soaring back into the Top 10 at #6 in January 2009 was such a nice surprise, but then a few weeks later it exited the chart from #10 because it transferred over to the Budget chart... which was a very tearsmile.gif moment.

The Sound of Girls Aloud
28,941 (#06) [04/01/2009]
9,488 (#15) [11/01/2009]
11,790 (#10) [18/01/2009]
= 50,219 in these 3 weeks

During its 6 weeks at #1 in the Budget Chart from 25th Jan to 1st March, it likely would have been within the Top 40 in all those weeks had it been eligible, and it sold in the region of 35.1k to 41.1k (this is based on it being 21st in the Year to Date Album chart on 1st March, between 20th - Bette Midler [on approx 91,350 sales] and 22nd - Roger Whittaker [on approx 85,400 sales]).

By the way, this is the budget chart run:

[1st Entry: 25/01/09] 01-01-01-01-01-01-Out
[2nd Entry: 03/01/10] 03-02-02-04-07-13-12-05-06-13-Out
[3rd Entry: 10/10/10] 27-36-25-12-16-14-22-28-37-39-45-50-22-35-36-42-Out[/size]

On 10th Jan 2010 when it was #2 in the budget chart, it would have been #64 in the album chart if it had been eligible to chart. So it was denied a few more Top 100 weeks.

Note: This portion of the album's Top 200 run...

[6th Entry: 08/02/09] 187-Out
[7th Entry: 22/02/09] 175-Out

... was seemingly due to download sales only, given that the album was in the budget chart in those 2 weeks.




Equally annoying was Tangled Up being in the Budget chart for 13 weeks beginning in December 2008:

[Entry: 07/12/08] 17-16-07-02-03-03-03-04-04-05-09-08-10-Out

On 4th Jan 2009 (when it was down a place at #3 in the Budget chart), Tangled Up was 33rd in the Year to Date Album chart - effectively meaning that it would have been at #33 in the album chart had it been eligible. It seems that it sold over 10,000 copies in that week. It would have likely been within the Top 60 in the following 2 weeks as well. A shame that it missed out on a few extra weeks in the Top 100.
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looking at the chart stats 'Chemistry' does seem like a bit of a flop, it missed the top 10, fell down quickly and only had one big hit (Biology, and a well deserved big hit that was clap.gif kink.gif) The Sound...must have been a relief for them!!
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Despite not a huge fan of it I was disappointed it missed the top 10 as I dudnt see that happening at the time.
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Here's some Tangled Up weekly sales!

01. 49,065 (#04) [25/11/07] {49,068 - 3 copies sold pre-release date}
02. 38,323 (#13) [02/12/07] {87,391}
03. 38,191 (#20) [09/12/07] {125,579}
04. 40,807 (#24) [16/12/07] {166,386}
05. ? (#23) [23/12/07] {?}
06. ? (#28) [30/12/07] {244,510}
07. 10,651 (#27) [06/01/08] {255,161}
08. 7,139 (#33) [13/01/08] {262,300}
09. 4,972 (#46) [20/01/08] {267,272}
10. 4,069 (#49) [27/01/08] {271,341}

In the 7th week when it sold 10,651, its sales were down -55%. Technically that could be anywhere from -54.5% to -55.49%, which gives a possible range of 23,409 to 23,934 sales in the 6th week. If we go with 23,672 (which is precisely -55%), then it would have sold ‭54,452‬ in the 5th week at #23 (but it could have been anywhere between ‭54,190‬ and ‭54,715‬).

A slight shame that they weren't able to replicate the big weekly sales of What Will the Neighbours Say, Chemistry and The Sound of Girls Aloud with Tangled Up. Chemistry sold 266,000 in its first 4 weeks, whereas it took Tangled Up 9 weeks to reach 267,000. Thankfully Tangled Up held up better than WWTNS and Chemistry though, building up decent sales over many months rather than being front loaded in Q4!
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Ya tangled up played more the long game with sales.
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