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QUOTE(Calum @ May 15 2019, 06:53 PM) *
How is it inappropriate though? The same can be said for the Jeremy Kyle guest since his partner seems to be telling tabloids there may not be a direct link between the show and his suicide.

I really don't understand why it matters that Sophie and Mike died two years after they were on Love Island either - because more time passed since the show their issues, pain or suffering is supposedly any less valid because it wasn't a week after? Multiple contestants from the show have spoken out about the level of care being terrible both during and after the show. It just sadly hasn't attracted as much attention as it should because for the most part other contestants are busy trying to fulfil their newfound 'influencer' roles or living their fantasy lives with the partners they found. To me it seems that some people are just trying to invalidate the possibility that ITV's level of care and support has let a small few down majorly because they can't bare the thought of losing a show they love so much.

I'm not denying there needs to be better aftercare for Love Island, and don't put words in my mouth but I just think the two situations aren't really comparable. Jeremy Kyle is exploitative by it's very nature while love island is MEANT to be a fun reality show although I know it's definitely not like that for some contestants and there needs to be better aftercare. And we have no idea if those tragic deaths were linked to Love Island or not- the fact it was two years later does matter because it's less clear if it was due to the show or not.

I agree that reality shows have exploited vunerable people for a long time and if one good thing can come out of this it's that people will be more aware of this.


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The aftercare definitely needs to be addressed for Love Island and indeed any other reality show, but the show itself is meant to be positive and fun and the contestants are clearly happy to be there. You can't say the same for The Jeremy Kyle Show, which feeds off people's misfortunes and encourages the audience to laugh at people's appearances and circumstances. It's such a toxic concept of a show and it's a shock it's taken so long for it to be removed. A huge shame someone had to lose their life for it to happen.

I'm not a fan of Love Island and I think there's a lot of problems that come from it, but I don't think the show is designed to make people feel bad about themselves. I think the way contestants' mental health has been affected is from the wider issue of receiving instant fame and adoration for 5 minutes and then having to fight to keep that level up. It's a buzz for them and, with all highs, there's a comedown. I think that's more the issue rather than specifically the show, which is why the aftercare is so essential.
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Meh, it had it's gold moments & was decent background telly but not gonna be sad to see it go. Certainly times need to move with society so I think this is the correct decision all things considered. Hopefully that Love Island garbage follows suit...
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QUOTE(dobbo @ May 15 2019, 07:26 PM) *
Hopefully that Love Island garbage follows suit...

This.

I'm not looking forward to hearing the blow by blow events of Love Island every day at work or on TV/Radio despite not watching even 1 second of the programme myself.
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As I've spoken in the Love Island thread, people just need to calm down. Quelle surprise the people calling for Love Island to go are people who either don't watch or dislike the show. I completely agree the aftercare needs to be much better for contestants and there should be better screening. You cannot directly link a death 2 years after it happened directly to a TV programme. Where does it stop? Should Love Island be paying for all contestants to go through counselling for someone's lifetime?

A contestant commited suicide during the filming of Britain's Got Talent this year, I don't see calls for that to go. Honestly it's just ridiculous.

What I can agree with (and this is the case for all reality shows) there does need to be better support either adapting back to normal life or coping with the huge changes in your life that happen.

The Jeremy Kyle show was completely different. It exploited people and generally people from a lower economic or social class. It prayed on the vulnerable. I'm not surprised it's been canned.
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QUOTE(Medellíam @ May 15 2019, 07:12 PM) *
I'm not a fan of Love Island and I think there's a lot of problems that come from it, but I don't think the show is designed to make people feel bad about themselves.

This is more down to the viewers than it having an effect on the actual contestants which therefore means, if there any any serious problems stemming from the whole superficiality of it all, it’s a lot less public/known. Every contestant in there has the exact same body type and essentially could all be models - it’s a dangerous image to promote but it’s what is key to the success. Big Brother certainly had it’s problems but it had people from every single walk of life on there meaning that an audience member could relate to at least one person in there, rather than watching and thinking I need to be Size 0, I need to have a six pack.

Anyway, that’s kind of a whole other issue/can of worms!! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Medellíam @ May 15 2019, 07:12 PM) *
I'm not a fan of Love Island and I think there's a lot of problems that come from it, but I don't think the show is designed to make people feel bad about themselves. I think the way contestants' mental health has been affected is from the wider issue of receiving instant fame and adoration for 5 minutes and then having to fight to keep that level up. It's a buzz for them and, with all highs, there's a comedown. I think that's more the issue rather than specifically the show, which is why the aftercare is so essential.


I think certainly in the case of Mike (from what I read), he found it hard to keep up that lifestyle when the work dried up later and had no real stream of income anymore, resulting in racking up massive debts. It's terribly sad really. sad.gif
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Sophie spoke at length about her mental health too, not to say "oh well she would have died anyway", but both her and Mike's issues are clearly a lot more complex than just the show. I doubt being thrust into the limelight, all the potential scrutiny etc. helped, but I don't think it should be compared to this Jeremy Kyle saga at all either.

That's one good thing about the show that gets overlooked, as shallow as it is it has sparked a lot of discourse on things like mental health among a group who might otherwise be a bit ignorant and superficial, because the contestants open up about these things and have a voice that's so important among young people.

QUOTE(Rooney @ May 15 2019, 07:52 PM) *
As I've spoken in the Love Island thread, people just need to calm down. Quelle surprise the people calling for Love Island to go are people who either don't watch or dislike the show. I completely agree the aftercare needs to be much better for contestants and there should be better screening. You cannot directly link a death 2 years after it happened directly to a TV programme. Where does it stop? Should Love Island be paying for all contestants to go through counselling for someone's lifetime?

A contestant commited suicide during the filming of Britain's Got Talent this year, I don't see calls for that to go. Honestly it's just ridiculous.

What I can agree with (and this is the case for all reality shows) there does need to be better support either adapting back to normal life or coping with the huge changes in your life that happen.

The Jeremy Kyle show was completely different. It exploited people and generally people from a lower economic or social class. It prayed on the vulnerable. I'm not surprised it's been canned.

Definitely, as Liamk said I think it's a more a problem with celebrity culture in general, which is something any reality show does need to be more aware of.

That's the main fault, it's not the show's fault as such it's just something that's evolving as the show gets bigger. The show got so big so quickly in the same way and I don't think the producers were necessarily prepared for that. That isn't an excuse or defending the show just because I like it, but I think there's so many things in play with both Sophie and Mike that we can't gauge if/how much the show was at fault. Being catapulted into such fame won't have helped at all though and the show going forward needs to make it a priority that support is available in regards to that.

The difference is I think Love Island seems to be evolving its aftercare and will do everything not to let this happen again, from what I've read and heard from others who have worked on the show etc., Jeremy Kyle has been doing this for so long and hasn't changed or done anything. It grabs up people who are socially, culturally and economically disadvantaged and humiliate them, then doesn't give the access to the support they need but don't have. As Brett said, it's the only show that a certain section of society is really represented on, and I think it used that too, it was all just an awful way to go about things and it's a surprise it took this long to go so wrong, but still tragic that it did of course.


Of course it remains to be seen whether things actually will change with the next series and its aftermath, but it's crucial that it does.
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Reports today that Kyle may choose to take a £3m. contract pay off and not work for ITV again as he set up his own media business just last week before all this broke. So much is coming out now about Steve Dymond. Lots of stuff going on in his life including a warrant for his arrest for unpaid fines, yet the Kyle show has been made a scapegoat for his death when all they probably did was expose his lies.

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There may be lawsuits plenty from guests who have appeared on the show. I'm sure that will happen.
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QUOTE(Serhat Mack @ May 17 2019, 10:56 PM) *
There may be lawsuits plenty from guests who have appeared on the show. I'm sure that will happen.



I think there are clauses that they sign when they agree to appear to prevent that happening. Don't think they can hold them responsible for any future relationship or mental health problems due to lie detector results.
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