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Posted by: SevenSeize Dec 16 2018, 05:31 PM

It's Christmas chart week, with the recent top 2 Ariana Grande's thank u next and Ava Max's Sweet But Psycho looking like the biggest contenders (Ariana's newest track imagine will make an impact also). Chart campaigns and charity singles are prominent as ever, lead by LadBaby's take on We Built This City, with The Fire Tones' Do They Know It's Christmas and Flakefleet Primary's Light Up making a challenge

A year dominated by The Greatest Showman may fittingly end with it taking the Christmas #1 album, Michael Bublé's performance on the Strictly final could give him a chance though

Breakdown of the week
- Saturday and Sunday: Information on Twitter from MintRoyale only. Please do not make requests, we do not have any information other than what's posted.
- Monday: OCC Top 100 + Radio 1 Chart Update 5:30pm to 5:45pm.
- Tuesday: Top 40 update as and when we receive them with requests, this is NOT 100% guaranteed however. The OCC may publish sales flashes of their own accord but likewise, this is not guaranteed. Twitter and social media is your friend for today. Please post any information you find with a source. Do not nag for updates, we will post a top 40 update if we receive one.
- Wednesday: Top 40 update from Music Week from 5:45, and potential top 5 sales but this is not guaranteed.
- Thursday: See Tuesday.

Other notes (please read)
- You may make requests Tuesday to Thursday but outside the top 40, specific positions will not be revealed (unless deemed necessary by a mod).
- Please do not demand a midweek update, one will be posted as and when we receive the information. Patience is a virtue.
- Sales information will be given out as deemed necessary by a moderator, please bear this in mind when making requests. Most requests for sales will be ignored.
- To keep everyone in the loop of all chart action, please refer to the iTunes and Spotify threads.

Posted by: SevenSeize Dec 16 2018, 05:31 PM

Official Singles/Albums Chart Update Top 100
Source: OCC
Missing Data:

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart-update/

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (17,732)
2 LadBaby - We Built This City * (16,754)
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (16,246)
4 Ariana Grande - imagine * (12,922)
5 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (11,998)

6-10
9 The Pogues - Fairytale Of New York (feat. Kirsty MacColl)

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
15 Flakefleet Primary - Light Up *
17 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
18 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
20 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
22 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
23 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
24 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
25 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
29 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^

31-40
31 James Arthur - Empty Space
32 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
34 George Ezra - Shotgun

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http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart-update/

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (24,888)
2 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway * (23,094)
3 Michael Bublé - love (21,419)
4 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (19,100)
5 Roy Orbison with the RPO - Unchained Melodies (17,160)

6-10
8 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
9 Motion Picture Cast Recording - A Star Is Born

11-20
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
15 Buddy Holly with the RPO - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight
24 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
29 Rita Ora - Phoenix

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Barbra Streisand - Walls
34 Ariana Grande - sweetener
35 Kylie Minogue - Golden ^
36 The Beatles - The Beatles (The White Album)

Click on the above relevant links.

Posted by: SevenSeize Dec 16 2018, 05:31 PM

Tuesday Top 40 Update
Missing Data: Amazon HD, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Monday), YouTube (for Saturday, Sunday and Monday)

Singles

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (24.8k)
2 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (22.5k)
3 LadBaby - We Built This City (22.1k) *
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (17.2k)
5 Ariana Grande - imagine (16.3k) *

6-10
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
14 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
16 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
17 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
18 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone
19 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree

21-30
21 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
25 Flakefleet Primary - Light Up *
28 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^

31-40
34 George Ezra - Shotgun
40 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

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Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (32.6k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (28.5k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (26.2k)
4 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (25.6k) *
5 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (24.7k)

6-10
9 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
16 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight
23 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
36 Ed Sheeran - ÷
40 Queen - Greatest Hits ^

Posted by: SevenSeize Dec 16 2018, 05:31 PM

Wednesday Top 40 Update
Source: Music Week
Missing Data: Amazon HD, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Tuesday), YouTube (for Sunday, Monday and Tuesday)

Singles

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (32.8k)
2 LadBaby - We Built This City (30.2k) *
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (29.7k)
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (21.4k)
5 Mark Ronson feat. Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like a Heart (20.6k)

6-10
7 Ariana Grande - imagine *
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
15 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
17 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
18 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
19 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
21 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
22 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
26 P!nk - A Million Dreams
27 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 James Arthur - Empty Space

31-40
32 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
33 George Ezra - Shotgun
37 Flakefleet Primary School - Light Up *
38 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

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Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (42.4k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (37.0k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (35.2k)
4 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (32.8k)
5 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (29.4k) *

6-10
9 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
16 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
23 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
36 Ed Sheeran - ÷
39 Elton John - Diamonds ^

Posted by: SevenSeize Dec 16 2018, 05:32 PM

Thursday Top 40 Update
Missing Data: Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Wednesday), YouTube (for Tuesday and Wednesday)

Singles

1 LadBaby - We Built This City (45.3k) *
2 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (41.4k)
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (37.0k)
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (26.0k - 84 sales ahead)
5 Mark Ronson feat. Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like a Heart (26.0k)

6-10
7 Ariana Grande - imagine *
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
14 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
18 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
19 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
20 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
21 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
22 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
26 P!nk - A Million Dreams
29 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 James Arthur - Empty Space

31-40
34 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
36 George Ezra - Shotgun
37 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (55.2k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (48.7k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (45.2k)
4 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (43.7k)
5 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (35.2k) *

6-10
8 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
15 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
23 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight

31-40
31 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
35 Ed Sheeran - ÷
37 The Beatles - The Beatles (The White Album)
39 Elton John - Diamonds ^

Posted by: SKOB Dec 16 2018, 06:22 PM

Does anyone have an idea who those charity acts are?

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 16 2018, 06:42 PM

I'm surprised the OCC didn't make an article Saturday trying to make it more interesting by reporting the Saturday midweek that excludes streaming. I'm sure they have done the same before to fool people that it's not a foregone conclusion already.

Posted by: Brotho Dec 16 2018, 06:46 PM

From James Masterton:

1. We Built This City
2. Sweet But Psycho
3. Thank u, next

Posted by: njhag Dec 16 2018, 06:49 PM

Ladbaby is a youtuber offering parental advice. The single is raising money for the trussel trust (food banks)

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 16 2018, 06:56 PM

Masterton is a twit. It's obvious the only reason Ariana isn't number 1 is because of missing streaming data.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 16 2018, 07:07 PM

At the moment, LadBaby, The Fire Tones and Flakefleet Primary might just scrape through low Top 50, it really depends how well they hold up. I just think the Xmas tracks might just push the campaign tracks down later in the week.

And another campaign track has surfaced from The Lake Poets called Shipyards

Posted by: slowdown73 Dec 16 2018, 07:09 PM

We built this city is awful, truly crap. Ava Max should have got the Christmas no1. The only consolation is X factor isn’t there!

Posted by: SKOB Dec 16 2018, 07:11 PM

It doesn't help that WBTC is a crap song to begin with.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 16 2018, 07:14 PM

The thing with Ladbaby is he knows hes crap at singing (although his wifr isnt too bad) even in the lyrics he pokes fun at trying to get his wife a christmas number 1

Id rather that do well than a charity track by a load of celebrities that have massive wealth and could probably donate more than the sale would make, pretend they are doing something for charity

Posted by: scratchy23 Dec 16 2018, 07:19 PM

Is Sweet But Psycho really ahead of Thank u next now?

Hope this means it can pull through the week after Xmas?!

Posted by: SKOB Dec 16 2018, 07:25 PM

I think SBP's only chance is the week TUN goes ACR

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 16 2018, 07:32 PM

It is but only because streaming is missing as its usually a day behind

Posted by: Bjork Dec 16 2018, 07:39 PM

surprised Mint Royale hasn't posted saying We Built This City is 1000% sure to be the Xmas #1

Sat mids is just Fri iTunes data, aka useless

Posted by: Bjork Dec 16 2018, 07:41 PM

but who knows maybe this Ladbaby has really cazillions of followers on YT and he can make it on YT streams alone

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 16 2018, 07:41 PM

Sweet but Psycho will be the first number one of 2018 then!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 16 2018, 07:49 PM

I'd prefer Nothing breaks like a Heart, much better song than Psycho, Pokerface was already #1, no need for this cover to make it too

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever Dec 16 2018, 08:09 PM

I think you mean 2019.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 16 2018, 08:18 PM

Fairly certain that was ed sheeran perfect

Posted by: Hadji Dec 16 2018, 09:02 PM

It was actually Eminem - River. The first song to reach #1 in 2018

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 16 2018, 09:06 PM

I mean they're really not that similar but OK

Posted by: gooddelta Dec 16 2018, 09:23 PM

Does Ava stand any chance? She’s now way ahead of Ariana on iTunes and her streams aren’t that far adrift now...

Would so love to win this bet *.* looks like it could be pretty close.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 16 2018, 09:48 PM

Nope thats the first new song, perfect clinged on for a couple of weeks to get the first official charts in 2018

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 16 2018, 10:17 PM

Ava is COMING for #1 this week for SURE.

She's nearly tripling Ari on Itunes and the 125k gap in streams is about 800 sales at 150 streams 1 sale.

Obviously Ari's still ahead but if Ava's streams and sales increase and Ari continues to drop a bit it could actually be SO close.

Posted by: 🎄Cqmerqn🎄 Dec 16 2018, 10:19 PM

But Ariana is also doing a lot better than Ava on YouTube!

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 16 2018, 10:21 PM

Love to see Ava do it, but I'm not too sure, ahem... video streams

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 16 2018, 10:23 PM

True, but I'm assuming most of those are on the 600 streams to 1 sale rule?

Ava's shortening the gap on Youtube too but it probably is too late unless she gains a fair amount over the next couple of days.

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 16 2018, 10:25 PM

Ari has got it in the bag, bookies think so too! Odds on to get it.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 16 2018, 10:36 PM

Of course she does! Just trying to create a tiny bit of buzz!

It'll be close though!

Posted by: Sagand Dec 16 2018, 10:39 PM

If you guess that sales are similar to last week, give Ava 11,000 sales and Ariana 4,000 (fitting the nearly 3-1 lead), a lead of 7,000 so Ariana needs to close by 1,000 sales per day on streaming. You take 800 from Spotify + Apple music + youtube video streams. She probably is closing 1,000 a day at the moment, but the streaming lead will continue to fall during the week. (If the pattern this week follows last week Sunday's streams should be only a lead of 80,000 on Spotify)

It is going to be very close. I'd still guess Ariana by less than 1k.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 16 2018, 10:46 PM

It feels more exciting now!

I reckon a few will be shocked at how close Ava is this week, I think like you say they'll literally be only a couple of thousand in it, depending on Ava increasing and Ari falling on streaming and sales.

Posted by: Hadji Dec 16 2018, 10:46 PM

That’s what I mean. Perfect may have clinched on through to 2018 but it’s classed as a 2017 #1

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 16 2018, 10:51 PM

Think it may well be close this week even though we will have low sales and few NEs!

Posted by: dobbo Dec 16 2018, 10:56 PM

Ariana comfortably I would think.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 09:17 AM

Calling it a "cover" is such a reach, there aren't any real similarities between the two songs anyway. But I think you know this and you're just saying what you've said here purely to be a deliberate annoyance.

Posted by: SKOB Dec 17 2018, 09:20 AM

I don't hear PF at all in SBP :DDD

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 17 2018, 09:24 AM

There’s definitely a Gaga and/or RedOne influence in Sweet But Psycho but it’s nothing but a good thing in a year where pop music on the whole has become so diluted and lacking of personality!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 09:29 AM

Even so, calling it a cover of 'Poker Face' is probably one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen anyone say in my entire life.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 17 2018, 09:33 AM

Posted by: Bjork Dec 17 2018, 09:45 AM

on second thoughts, I didn't word it right
it's more like a bad Gaga imitation/pastiche than a Pokerface cover

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 17 2018, 09:53 AM

Oh don't give me hope my bet will come through!

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 10:43 AM

Ava's odds are shortening like CRAZY today down to 2/1 at some book makers from 9/1 yesterday!

I really hope a Miracle happens and somehow she makes it!

Posted by: SKOB Dec 17 2018, 10:48 AM

I prefer Thank U Next to Sweet But Psycho, I might just be over the latter though, it became a hit here in September.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 10:52 AM

I LOVE Ava but it's not only that I just need a new number 1...6 Weeks at the top is starting to grate.

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 17 2018, 10:58 AM

Ariana's youtube streaming sales will get her the xmas #1.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 17 2018, 11:34 AM

If you're hoping for Ava Max to be Christmas number 1 on Friday then you're getting your hopes up for nothing. It's a foregone conclusion that it'll be Ariana under current circumstances.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 17 2018, 12:09 PM

MintRoyale tweeted “I think Ava Max is going to be Christmas number one! #possibly”

It’ll be very interesting what the midweek shows, Ava will be leading due to missing streaming but by how much?

Posted by: Rafael x Dec 17 2018, 12:15 PM

waiting for zayns numbers

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 17 2018, 12:40 PM

At least there is some excitement this week.

Praying Zayn does ok!

Posted by: dobbo Dec 17 2018, 12:50 PM

If Mint thinks SBP will be #1, then I'm even more confident it won't be.

Posted by: Oliver Dec 17 2018, 12:52 PM

His explanation is stupid as well.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 01:05 PM

Ariana only did 425k yesterday on Spotify to Ava's 321k

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 17 2018, 01:09 PM

So she only did an extra 32%-ish extra than Ava did?

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 01:12 PM

You're forgetting she's outselling Ariana on itunes by 2100 to 700 copies so 3 times as many approx.

Ava's now #1 on Deezer and Amazon Music / Prime music, she's closed the gap on Youtube, Closing the gap on Spotify..

Ariana did nearly 150k more streams last week and was only 8k ahead so it'll be close.

Posted by: aidan755 Dec 17 2018, 01:23 PM

Zayn is going to do dreadful. Down to #29 on iTunes already (didn't reach that high in the first place) and there isn't any physical copies because they don't come out till this Friday. Wouldn't be surprised to see him not charting at all since iTunes is the only place people can buy the album and sales there are very weak anyway.

Posted by: slowdown73 Dec 17 2018, 01:45 PM

Really hope Ava Max clinches that Christmas One. Such a good pop song - one of the best singles easily this year!

Posted by: GTH Dec 17 2018, 01:45 PM

Streaming rules on the album will also be a hindrance, where they only count streams from the most popular 12 tracks. Anyone listening to the whole 27 tracks album will only contribute 12 streaming units (out of the 1000 needed per album ‘sale’) instead of 27.

Posted by: Vülker Dec 17 2018, 01:59 PM

I think it's more of a Boney M's Ma Baker reference than Poker Face but I can see how Gaga made the "ma-ma-ma-ma" interpolation relevant in today's scene.

Posted by: iain Dec 17 2018, 02:01 PM

Zayn is no 63 in today’s midweeks.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 17 2018, 02:02 PM

Stop it, I'm at peace with the fact I'm not going to win any money on Ava, don't give me false hope

Posted by: Rafael x Dec 17 2018, 02:34 PM

he won

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 17 2018, 02:37 PM

Please tell me that's a joke!!

Posted by: Lapland Labia Dec 17 2018, 02:45 PM

This! It is clearly a cover/ sample

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 03:10 PM

It'll be Ariana but it'll be close!

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 17 2018, 03:19 PM

I'd love Ava to get the Xmas #1 but I don't think she'll get there unless her numbers have another surge during the week - she's been closing the gap but not quickly enough. It'll be close though. Hopefully she can get the #1 after this anyway.

Posted by: sprock-93 Dec 17 2018, 03:21 PM

What a bad song to become #1. I don't know which is worse between Ariana & Sweet

If Mariah doubles streaming numbers during the Xmas Week maybe she will have a little chance!

Posted by: Lapland Labia Dec 17 2018, 03:22 PM

Well tbh if Ariana just scrapes it this week, then it almost certainly means the Poker Face cover will get Xmas no.1 next week unless Miley rises faster on Spotify! So your bet is probably safe at this point tbh

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 17 2018, 03:23 PM

you took your time x

Posted by: Lapland Labia Dec 17 2018, 03:25 PM

I love Poker Face so can listen to this cover without a problem, but am well aware that it is a cover/ heavy sampling

Posted by: dancember Dec 17 2018, 03:31 PM

This week is Xmas No. 1 week.

Next week is the post Christmas chart and I think Mariah Carey may actually have a very good chance of making #1 then.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 03:36 PM

See what you've started now, Bjork? Are you satisfied?

Posted by: Bjork Dec 17 2018, 03:40 PM

hahaha a little debate is good

just read from Minty's twitter that he thinks Ava will be #1, so she probably won't

Posted by: smidsy101 Dec 17 2018, 03:46 PM

I mean I'm no music industry expert, but Zayn releasing this week without a CD is surely one of the worst decisions humanly possible. And if it is indeed true that he is at #67 in the midweeks, that must be one of the largest drop off's from debut album to sophomore album we've seen in recent years.

Posted by: Tommy Dec 17 2018, 04:12 PM

So Zayn will sell around 1-2k albums + streaming? It's epic disaster

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 17 2018, 04:17 PM

Didn't know that ZAYN had no CD release - I think he was doomed to a flop follow-up under any circumstances but he seems to have gone out of his way to do as badly as possible...

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 17 2018, 04:22 PM

No CD in the only time of the year CDs rule is mind boggling. However maybe they wanted this so him flopping had an excuse or reason.

Posted by: ThePoguesmith Dec 17 2018, 04:52 PM

I am le sniggering to myself quietly at the Zayn midweek And to think everyone thought he'd be the breakout star from 1D when Niall's managed to place a live album in Ireland's top 20 albums this week.

Interesting to see a small battle developing between Ava Max and Ariana Grande. It would be nice to see Ava take it just because I love an unpredictable surprise at Christmas. For me, nothing will top the humiliation Westlife suffered at the hands of Bob The Builder in 2000. They'd got so smug having seven number ones in a row and their song ('What Makes A Man', I think? It was textbook dull ballad anyway) was absolutely thrashed by 'Can We Fix It'. So very British a defeat

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 17 2018, 04:58 PM

PREACH!! That shite karaoke band deserved it.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 05:00 PM

Maybe they spent all of their budget on the campaign already and couldn't afford to lose more money?

Posted by: gooddelta Dec 17 2018, 05:08 PM

Shame the general public don't really care about the Xmas number one anymore, a close battle like this would have had people salivating in the past.

Makes the motivation behind the whole Rage Against The Machine campaign seem almost wasted, everyone wanted the Xmas number one back from the grip of X Factor, well they've got it...and it's been greeted with tumbleweed and shrugs of indifference all round ever since...

Posted by: ThePoguesmith Dec 17 2018, 05:08 PM

For me, it's why I've always loved the UK charts. Because like with a lot of things, we never take ourselves too seriously. Yes we'll usually follow what other countries are into, but by and large only we could ever get away with having Mr Blobby etc at the top in December. The only other near comparable market is Ireland, who've given chart toppers to Dustin The Turkey or Pat Shortt!

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 05:10 PM

Spotify and Apple music have just moved Ava to #1 on Hot Hits UK (Spotify) and Todays Hits (Apple Music)

Surely Payola must be going on! It's strange how Hot Hits has updated on a monday..

Posted by: ThePoguesmith Dec 17 2018, 05:13 PM

I think as others have pointed out in recent days, it's not so much indifference from the public, more record companies still figuring out how to find a way to make the Christmas chart matter in the age of streaming when there's still a small minority of people who haven't yet made the full time leap to Spotify et al. I'd like to think that these next two years coming will be when streaming really reaches mass consumption point and we'll see a quicker turnover of number ones and sales equivalent streams in the 100k+ bracket.

Posted by: dancember Dec 17 2018, 05:18 PM

Record label must be really trying for the #1 this week then, especially as Ava getting Xmas #1 would give her a little bit more publicity.
I still think Ariana will have it, but it could be a close race.

Posted by: gooddelta Dec 17 2018, 05:23 PM

I don't know...I just don't see it coming back around to be a big deal again any time soon.

The silly season element of songs that just wouldn't wash any other time of the year, and the high profile battles were a big part of the fun of the Xmas number one. The public has got to have a reason to care and that often used to be because the Xmas Number One used to entice people that didn't usually buy records. Usually either through novelty or charity records or fanbase-led battles, all of which streaming has effectively killed off.

I struggle to see many people getting too engaged with battles between various songs that have already been in the chart for weeks and are tailing off as Christmas comes around, having long faded from their cultural peak, and of which thank u, next is essentially a case in point. It's running on fumes in my opinion, it was everywhere a month ago but it doesn't feel as huge now and it seems odd to still have it at No.1.

Posted by: lewistgreen Dec 17 2018, 05:37 PM

LadBaby at #2! Amazing to hear this on the radio

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 17 2018, 05:41 PM

I miss the days of actual, good novelty. The LadBaby thing is genuinely one of the worst things I have ever heard. I don't care that it's for charity or "for the lolzzzzz".

Bring back Geraldine McQueen *.*

Posted by: Hadji Dec 17 2018, 05:43 PM

I want Ava to hold on and get that Xmas #1 single. As for TGS, I hope it gets left behind in 2018 when the year is over

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 05:45 PM

COME ON AVA

Still think there's loads of data missing but so pleased to hear it in the mids at 1.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 17 2018, 05:49 PM

Just 508 combined sales behind LadBaby is last week’s Number 1, thank u, next by Ariana Grande, while her brand-new track imagine is new at Number 4.

Source: OCC

Posted by: lewistgreen Dec 17 2018, 05:54 PM

Flakefleet at #15

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 17 2018, 05:57 PM

Ariana currently 1.5k behind Ava then. Last week she started 3.8k ahead in the first mids and that grew to 8.7k by the end of the week. Still think she'll probably hang on but suddenly less confident... at least until the next mids.

Posted by: dancember Dec 17 2018, 06:03 PM

Official Singles/Albums Chart Update Top 100
Source: OCC
Missing Data:

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/singles-chart-update/

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (17,732)
2 LadBaby - We Built This City * (16,754)
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (16,246)
4 Ariana Grande - imagine * (12,922)
5 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (11,998)

6-10
9 The Pogues - Fairytale Of New York (feat. Kirsty MacColl)

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
15 Flakefleet Primary - Light Up *
17 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
18 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
20 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
22 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
23 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
24 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
25 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
29 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^

31-40
31 James Arthur - Empty Space
32 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
34 George Ezra - Shotgun

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

http://www.officialcharts.com/charts/albums-chart-update/

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (24,888)
2 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway * (23,094)
3 Michael Bublé - love (21,419)
4 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (19,100)
5 Roy Orbison with the RPO - Unchained Melodies (17,160)

6-10
8 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
9 Motion Picture Cast Recording - A Star Is Born

11-20
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
15 Buddy Holly with the RPO - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight
24 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
29 Rita Ora - Phoenix

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Barbra Streisand - Walls
34 Ariana Grande - sweetener
35 Kylie Minogue - Golden ^
36 The Beatles - The Beatles (The White Album)

Click on the above relevant links.

Posted by: Petivity Dec 17 2018, 06:05 PM

I'm surprised there's such a gap between Flakefleet (#15) and Fire Tones (#67), especially since I believe Fire Tones had a physical CD available. Beginning their campaign on a Wednesday has really ruined their chances.

I guess Ladbaby being at #2 could motivate people to try and get it up to #1 so I wouldn't rule him out.

Oh and Little Mix look likely to be the first act to fall out of the Top 40 from the Top 10 after hitting ACR.

Posted by: SmileyKylie Dec 17 2018, 06:10 PM

Santa Baby 80th in singles update

Golden 35th with Kylie cassettes selling well.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 17 2018, 06:12 PM

I really want Ava to hold on, but with data missing I can see Ariana re-taking it

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 17 2018, 06:12 PM

So pleased to see One More Sleep inside the top 20 at #17 for Leona fingers crossed she can hold top 20.

Posted by: 🎄Cqmerqn🎄 Dec 17 2018, 06:13 PM

Omg Ava!!

Posted by: Djcheekymagpie Dec 17 2018, 06:15 PM

Dalton Harris feat James Arthur drop down fast maybe time X factor call day

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 17 2018, 06:15 PM

BTW... I'm surprised this topic is on 6 pages already and we only just got the first set of mids

Posted by: dancember Dec 17 2018, 06:16 PM

Best news today is that The Waitresses are #92 in the update!! Surprised, as they haven't broke the Spotify 200.

Last year they made #87, the year before #96, looks like the only way this year is up.

Posted by: SKOB Dec 17 2018, 06:17 PM

ASiB top ten!! YASSSSSS

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 06:18 PM

Is there data missing?
Figures are up on last week so I'm assuming there's no missing sales?

Posted by: lewistgreen Dec 17 2018, 06:18 PM

Disgusting that’s it’s never made the Top 40! #45 is its original peak! Needs to get there.

Posted by: Crazy Christmas Dec 17 2018, 06:19 PM

Had forgotten about Springsteen this week. Won't finish as runner-up as he'll be very front-loaded so George will end up No.2.

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 17 2018, 06:20 PM

I know that they're there and it's "pointless" butttt LM would be #24 if it wasn't for the xmas songs, which isn't that bad a drop when factoring that as it's a pretty standard collapse in ACR.

Even more infuriating though to know Clean Bandit would be #12 without them!! FFS

Buttt imma say this sets them both up nicely for a decent climb for when the xmas songs fall away (hopefully anyway haha)

Posted by: bluebitchboy Dec 17 2018, 06:21 PM

How many cassettes has she sold so far this week please?

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 17 2018, 06:24 PM

There is always missing data in the mids because streaming services don't report their data to the OCC immediately. Ava's sales are up compared to the same data from this timeframe last week, Ariana's are down, it's just continuing the trends they were already on.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 06:28 PM

I'd scream if 'Sweet But Psycho' actually got Christmas #1!

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 17 2018, 06:30 PM

You'd scream and then start singing the song, right?

I'm so happy for her 😭😭

Posted by: mdh Dec 17 2018, 06:30 PM

"Sweet But Psycho" would be the best Christmas #1 for yeeeeaaarrrrs.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 06:31 PM

I've just downloaded the remixes

I literally adore SBP it's the best pop track of the year for me

Posted by: coi Dec 17 2018, 06:32 PM

Pop banger that's been kept off the top for a few weeks vs a comedy song about sausage rolls!

THIS IS HOW THE RACE FOR CHRISTMAS NUMBER ONE IS DONE. As long as it's not the number one for the last six weeks again, I'm happy with this.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 17 2018, 06:47 PM

Just imagine a track about Sausage Rolls at #1 for 9 weeks

Posted by: chartdj Dec 17 2018, 06:52 PM

There is some Lady Gaga sound in Ava, when she was a contender for #1 the x factor was still relevant, but now it's falling sharply so Ava is probably getting #1

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 17 2018, 07:01 PM

Who is Bruce Springsteen?! I think he supported Rihanna once.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 17 2018, 07:03 PM

Masterton says Sunday's data for Amazon, Apple and Spotify is missing, and whole weekend for YouTube. Presumably Ariana would be ahead otherwise?

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 17 2018, 07:09 PM

Ariana is going to be more ahead than I thought with missing streams then, don't think it will be that close this week after all, maybe 2-3000 I reckon. C

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 07:12 PM

I wouldn't say it was following the rage campaign, that was one of the great and most memorable chart moments ever. I think it's more to do with streaming that the Xmas no1 has stalled but we have made sure that normal songs now hit the top spot!

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 17 2018, 07:12 PM

If only Ava's label got her over here to do some promo. They should be clearing her schedule!

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 07:32 PM

Little Mix only dropping out due to the Xmas songs, may well re enter the top 30 in 2 fridays!

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 17 2018, 07:40 PM

Ava odds on with the bookies, just got 5/4 on Ari as I think tomorrow will swing it.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 17 2018, 07:41 PM

Mind you the top 75 is full of Christmas tracks, there will be more returning back in two weeks time. I was doing the sales prep for this Friday and there isn't hardly any new music to add.

Those days are gone when other artists where filtering through with new music, not just charity tracks.

Posted by: Dmdr Dec 17 2018, 07:53 PM

Happy to see One More Sleep top 20, I hope it can stay in and maybe even get a new post release year peak. Last year it charted at #19.

Posted by: pippa Dec 17 2018, 08:15 PM

The album sales are extremely disappointing for the week that it is.
I really hope sales can pick up as the week progresses.
Next weekend should be the big sales week.
Wonderful to see Kylie back in the Top 40, yet again with Golden.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 17 2018, 08:28 PM

I wouldnt mind Ladbaby staying top 10 id rather Ava got it over ariana but we know which way its gonna go

Hopefully the waitresses climb its very underated and kelly climb in (ideallybshe would repeak but not gonna happen)

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 17 2018, 08:31 PM

Yeah with data missing Ari's got it!

Still it's been good there's been a bit of competition!

The only hope is if Ariana's streams start to really drop off today/tomorrow.

Posted by: Hadji Dec 17 2018, 08:32 PM

As if “Polaroid” is already so close to dropping out of the top 75

Posted by: Hadji Dec 17 2018, 08:33 PM

Shame the earliest she’s due for ACR is 11th January

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 17 2018, 08:38 PM

£50 on Ariana as Xmas Number One!

Posted by: Brett-Butler Dec 17 2018, 08:39 PM

The biggest selling single in Ireland in 2006 was about a sausage roll!

Posted by: ___∆___ Dec 17 2018, 08:43 PM

RIP to the Christmas albums market

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 08:49 PM

Forgot to mention that 16k is good for Ladbaby nearly all downloads!

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 08:55 PM

24k for The Greatest a Showman in last mondays mids and 25k this time. More footfall this week, prob set for 65k for Xmas no1, the other albums have mainly increased though!

Posted by: Brit Dec 17 2018, 09:19 PM

Micheal buble coming for 40k this week or maybe a bit more! His album should reach platinum early next year, quite the success when you think he hasn’t really promoted it

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 09:31 PM

Lol is that a joke? He's been on every major tv show in the uk since October!

Posted by: Spiceboy Dec 17 2018, 10:25 PM

Are you actually being serious?

Bruce Springsteen has never and never ever would need to support Rihanna. He is a huge global star. He is the 15 best selling albums artist of all time in the USA and he has had 10 #1 albums in the UK. He tours all over the world still selling out arenas and stadiums...

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 17 2018, 10:27 PM

Its easier to just ignore him he looking for a reaction

Posted by: Lady Gaga Dec 17 2018, 10:31 PM

Ugh I need Ava to get #1!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 17 2018, 10:32 PM

I was about to say... WTactualF?

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 17 2018, 11:16 PM

I've never really heard of him and could have sworn he did support on the Rihanna tour back innnn 13?

Posted by: WhovilleOdyssey Dec 17 2018, 11:25 PM

He has not supported Rihanna

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 17 2018, 11:48 PM

We shall leave those kind of statements for Crimbo Leg Pipe

Posted by: ___∆___ Dec 18 2018, 12:31 AM

Aside from The One Show, Radio 2, Strictly Come Dancing, Michael McIntyre, Graham Norton, Loose Women, This Morning, BBC Breakfast, Hello TV etc..,

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever Dec 18 2018, 12:38 AM

Zayn flopping hard.I know kylie is front loaded with cassette but I'd love if she could get 5k this week.

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 18 2018, 12:56 AM

Are we finally ready to admit Little Mix are under performing now? The 'scattered' promo has done nothing.

Also George Ezra will no doubt be the first number 1 of 2019 in the albums chart. I can see it getting a discount and he has some great promo coming up.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 18 2018, 03:01 AM

I don't see how Ariana can overtake Ava at from this point.

Comparing this week to last week Ariana was up 3.8k last week and down 1.7k this week. So she is doing 5.5k worse comparatively with almost the same data missing. (The gap may actually be 300ish copies different due to an extra day of youtube being missing). But with most of the week still to be counted she's 5k worse and can only afford to be 8.7k worse overall.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 06:52 AM

Well I'm astonished, Joel you're completely welcome to gloat at me if she pulls it off this Friday... still think Ariana will do it at the moment though.

Sweet But Psycho would be a welcome number 1!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 07:02 AM

If theres so many YT data missing
Wouldnt that favour We Built the City
since the guy is a Youtuber???

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 07:18 AM

The video has around 500k views in 3 days so AVA and Ariana are still being streamed more.

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 08:25 AM

I see now that Kworb youtube updated
And its not top 20
But not sure how accurate that is
As some songs are missing like Baby shark

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 08:51 AM

Yeah it's not listed. Going from the views though it's not doing the 500k (Ariana) and 380k (ava) did plus lyric video's and other sources count, so it's still behind.

Ladybaby would have to sell 10k a day at least to stand a chance especially as streaming data for Spotify and Apple Music was missing.

Posted by: Charis Dec 18 2018, 09:34 AM

WOW what a humiliation... I don't see a humiliation for being topped by a so popular song back in the day.... In any case that dull ballad would have been a #1 any other period of the year..

Posted by: SKOB Dec 18 2018, 10:14 AM

Where is the new album by Westlife anyway, I thought they were about to release one?

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2018, 11:01 AM

It's coming next year.

Posted by: 1990 Dec 18 2018, 11:11 AM

If Sweet But Psycho makes it to #1, it will be the best Christmas number one in a VERY long time (probably since Sound of the Underground in 2002)

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 11:23 AM

I just want Ava to do it SO BADLY. It's been years since we've had a classic pop song at #1.

It'll be interesting to see if her streaming has increased today...

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 12:08 PM

What about Clean Bandit?

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 12:09 PM

Masterton says YouTube data for Sat-Mon still missing, and he estimates Ava would still be in the lead by about 1k?

https://chart-watch.uk/index.php/xmas-no-1/december-18th-11am

Can't take this!!

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 12:10 PM

A female classic pop song 😂

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 12:35 PM

All of Clean Bandit's #1s were sung by females

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 12:40 PM

Rockabye featured Sean Paul though...

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 12:46 PM

surprised Ladbaby is doing so badly on YT, in 5 days he's done less than Ariana in 1 day (it seems)
guess he's a Youtuber but not at the same category as people like Connor Maynard, who can do > 1 million YT views per day for the first few days

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 12:51 PM

Whatevs.

Posted by: Jason Dec 18 2018, 01:47 PM

I can see only YouTube top 20 and Ladbaby is not there.
Is there another YouTube link with more positions included?

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 01:48 PM

No, we’re just going by the total number of views on the video and considering some won’t be UK views it’s not doing that great at all.

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 18 2018, 02:17 PM

Ariana favourite again, loving this battle.

Posted by: kandrew Dec 18 2018, 02:44 PM

Hi does anyone know what happened to the new ABBA songs that were supposed to be out and contending for Xmas no1?

Posted by: SKOB Dec 18 2018, 02:48 PM

Promises, One Kiss and Solo are not classic pop songs?

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 03:01 PM

Christmas number one!!

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2018, 03:03 PM

Postponed for next year.

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 18 2018, 03:05 PM

Interesting she's fave again, hasn't Ava extended the lead in the mids?

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 03:14 PM

that was what I was gonna say, that Masterson guy said Ava has doubled her lead

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 18 2018, 03:16 PM

Very odd, although it's very tight with the bookies so wouldn't take it too seriously.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 18 2018, 03:29 PM

I guess the bookies have taken a lot of money Ariana so her keeping her shorter than she really should be. Ariana is completely out of the race, Ava increased the lead by 950 with only missing youtube data so unless Ariana is leading on youtube by 1000 sales per day (she's not) Ava will keep increasing the lead as the week goes on.

The only threat is a LadBaby sales surge if media pick up on it more, even then Ava has a comfortable lead with LadBaby having virtually no missing streaming.

Posted by: John-James Dec 18 2018, 03:42 PM

Still not convinced Ava has it but would be delighted seen as though I put money on her

Posted by: TomJ1991 Dec 18 2018, 04:53 PM

He's not a huge YouTuber, is he? I hadn't heard of him before this, and his most-viewed video has all time views of around 4 million. I'm surprise he's done so well on sales, as bigger YouTubers have struggled comparatively.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 05:06 PM

I feel like Ladbaby will end up at #1 he’s pushed Ava down to 28% now and Amazon sales are probably strong.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 05:23 PM

Don't forget that Spotify/Apple/Amazon streams are always a day behind though. Ariana's not out of the race by any stretch of the imagination.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 18 2018, 05:25 PM

He more a facebook blogger and a tips for families trying to save money. Dont think he huge on youtube but he is huge on facebook

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 05:27 PM

Still possible if he keeps increasing but he's already 2,700 behind and won't benefit from late streams as much as Ariana and Ava. That BBC News article "Sorry, but LadBaby won't be Christmas number one" must've really given him a boost today.

Bloody hell though this Friday's chart show could be a nailbiter unless someone really pulls ahead in next couple of days.

Posted by: chartdj Dec 18 2018, 05:52 PM

are Westlife reunited?

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 05:54 PM

If it's true that Ava is further extending her lead now I think she's probably got this! Looking at last week again it was Ariana extending the gap between the two throughout the week, if it's the other way round now they're not likely to switch back over unless Ari gets a big boost from somewhere. Another case of sales still being significant enough to be the deciding factor it seems (and for a race as 'significant' as the Christmas #1), as Ariana appears to be ahead on every relevant streaming platform.

Watch it still somehow be LadBaby now to snatch possibly the worst ever Xmas #1 from the jaws of one of the better ones.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 18 2018, 05:59 PM

I can think of many ways to do the maths, none of them have Ariana coming out ahead.

Compare last week's Tuesday midweek to this weeks. Last week Ariana lead by 5k and this week is down by 2.2k - two days of youtube. So say each day of youtube is worth 400 sales more to Ariana than Ava that closes the gap by 800 to 1.4k.
Ariana is doing at least 6.4k worse than last week (which is a like-for-like comparsion after 4 days of sales and 3 of streaming) If she does 8.7k worse over the whole week she loses number one.


Alternatively looking just at Spotify streams (assume they are representative of the whole streaming market) Ava is up 17% comparing last week Fri/Sat/Sun numbers and Ariana is down 8%. If you take Ariana's total streaming sales last week and reduce by 8% (53,754 * 0.92) to comes to 49,453 and increase Ava's by 17% (guessing Ava digital sales last week at 10,000/streaming 39,708) (39,708*1.17 = 46,458)

If Ariana is only leading streaming by 49,453 to 46,458, Ava easily has the sales to take the lead.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 06:03 PM

But a big part of the reason she's ahead is because we're missing 3 days of YouTube streams, and the usual 1 day of audio streams. When they get added it's going to be much closer.

I'm hoping for Ava myself too but trying not to stay realistic!

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 06:06 PM

What about the fact the audio streams are a day behind? What is the daily difference between Ariana and Ava there?

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 06:06 PM

And does anyone know how accurate Digital Sales Data is? Slightly worried to see Ladbaby increasing so much on iTunes today. DSD reckons he's done 7700 copies in last 24 hours - is that anything like accurate?

Posted by: Sagand Dec 18 2018, 06:09 PM

It doesn't matter; they were a day behind last week too. When the missing data is added on Friday it may well help Ariana, but it helped her last week too. (It will help less this week because the streaming gap is smaller.)

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 18 2018, 06:10 PM

I just hope a song about Sausage rolls does not get it worst #1 ever.

Haven't had a good chart battle for the Christmas 1 in ages, this week seems to be a close one, I'm still thinking somehow Ariana will just clinch it.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 06:15 PM

How much will it help Ariana though.. hundreds or a couple thousand?

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 06:16 PM

I don't think the gap on YouTube is significant enough for it to carry Ariana across the line in itself, Kworb's data is a few days behind as ever but Ariana's lead over Ava there was 193k on the last day we had data for so assuming it's kept roughly constant and that the vast majority of those will be free streams that only makes up about 1k sales for the 3 missing days. I still wouldn't rule Ariana out completely because the missing data is an uncertainty as always and it is still close but I think the trends in midweeks tend to hold throughout the week and considering there is always some missing data, that suggests that if Ava is trending towards pulling ahead then that will probably continue to happen throughout the week (and then maybe it'll tighten a little right at the end of the week when all the missing streaming is lumped on, but again looking at last week the gap between Ari and Ava only increased by 2.4k from Thursday to Friday, it's bound to be less than that this week I'd have thought and based on the trend so far Ava will be more than 2.4k ahead on the Thursday mids).

I think Digital Sales Data is just an estimate and IIRC it tends to be way off when there are songs that have huge leads.

Do we know is there's more missing YT data this week than last week?

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 18 2018, 06:19 PM

Tuesday Top 40 Update
Missing Data: Amazon HD, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Monday), YouTube (for Saturday, Sunday and Monday)

Singles

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (24.8k)
2 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (22.5k)
3 LadBaby - We Built This City (22.1k) *
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (17.2k)
5 Ariana Grande - imagine (16.3k) *

6-10
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
14 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
16 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
17 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
18 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone
19 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree

21-30
21 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
25 Flakefleet Primary - Light Up *
28 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^

31-40
34 George Ezra - Shotgun
40 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (32.6k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (28.5k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (26.2k)
4 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (25.6k) *
5 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (24.7k)

6-10
9 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
16 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight
23 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
36 Ed Sheeran - ÷
40 Queen - Greatest Hits ^

Posted by: Jason Dec 18 2018, 06:24 PM

Yes baby
Ava or the sausage rolls to be Xmas number 1.
I prefer Ava of course but both are much funnier than that monotonous Ariana song.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 18 2018, 06:25 PM

Closer to hundreds than thousands, last week she gained 2.4k between Thursday and Friday (but she was also gaining every other day too) so much less than that, I would guess 500ish.

Posted by: 🎄Cqmerqn🎄 Dec 18 2018, 06:32 PM

I think LadBaby will do it!

Posted by: Jack Dec 18 2018, 06:38 PM

Only in the UK could a song about sausage rolls get to #01. I despair.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 18 2018, 06:39 PM

I still can't call it, there is 3 days of You Tube streams missing

Posted by: Jason Dec 18 2018, 06:40 PM

Yes if those Digital sales data are right.
Yesterday, it was 2,300. Earlier today was 6,600 and now 7,700.

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 18 2018, 06:42 PM

If I watch this sausage roll song on youtube it will c**t for the chart right?

Posted by: Dark Horse Dec 18 2018, 06:51 PM

Where is Kylie's Santa Baby? And Golden?

Posted by: chartdj Dec 18 2018, 06:52 PM

Something strange, Ava increased the lead over the ladbaby song while digitalsales signals a big increase in sales for ladbaby.

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2018, 06:54 PM

It will only count as a 600th of a sale. You're better off just buying it if you want it to go to #1 (or wait for next week to watch it if you really don't want to help it at all).

If it does go to #1 it could have the biggest drop from #1 in history by dropping out of the top 100, the record so far is 1-97 for Three Lions earlier this year.

Posted by: tomwright123 Dec 18 2018, 06:56 PM

LM5 position please?

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 18 2018, 07:00 PM

10+5=??

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 18 2018, 07:03 PM

The Lead only started to grow after the BBC radio 1 chart update at 6pm, So the full effect won't be included.

Posted by: chartdj Dec 18 2018, 07:04 PM

Is it known how many people have premium Spotify compared to free streams?

Posted by: -SCOTT- Dec 18 2018, 07:09 PM

Grr all this time it looked like Ariana was the one to beat. Now it looks like LadBaby is unstoppable. Shame

Posted by: SmileyKylie Dec 18 2018, 07:10 PM

Kylie Golden sold another 2,074 cassettes this week already!

Next week she has the original cassette on pre-order again for £5.

Queen of cassettes

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 07:12 PM

Digitalsalesdata always overestimates but don't think they're far off

Miley/Ava last week were doing around 1.5K per day on iTunes, sure less than 2K
if We Built the City is doing 4 times more on iTunes, that's 6K a day maybe a bit more

Posted by: dobbo Dec 18 2018, 07:13 PM

Kinda here for Ladbaby getting #1, Ava will surely get her turn next week anyway.

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 07:22 PM

It doesn't really make any significant difference as far as the chart goes. There's no reason paying consumers would have massively different listening habits to non-paying ones. The distinction between paid and free streaming is only relevant when it comes to songs which are big on YouTube but not on audio streaming platforms.



Then potentially being matched the following week if Mariah is able to grab the #1 in the post-Xmas week (which I actually now think is very possible after previously stubbornly claiming it'd never happen )

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 18 2018, 07:24 PM

Latest Kworb update for Ava is 0.2805 compared to 0.2897 2 and a half hours ago so Ladbaby is starting to slow down again on iTunes.. come on red update.

Posted by: mdh Dec 18 2018, 07:41 PM

LadBaby is still in bright green, though.

As much as I'm not a fan of the track, I'd like to see LadBaby get it, as Ava's got it nailed on for next week regardless. The more #1's in a year, the better

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 18 2018, 07:45 PM

I still think Ariana will only be a couple of hundred sales behind Ava once everything is added in

Posted by: dobbo Dec 18 2018, 07:55 PM

I'm just glad we have an actual battle for the Christmas #1 again! Even more unusual for there to be 3 songs in the mix, none of which we can comprehensively say will finish on top.

Posted by: jimwatts Dec 18 2018, 08:07 PM

I'm genuinely excited... and surprised.
For most of the last month, people have been practically handing Ariana the Xmas #1, now it seems she is reportedly trailing in a 3-horse race.
I hope Ava gets the #1 and right now I believe she will - that would have been a story in itself.

At the start of Nov on another thread, I said novelty singles would have no chance - well Ladbaby may be the exception that makes me saying that sound foolish. He has a following it has clearly caught on with - I've even given it a few Spotify plays myself. But still... I don't see it, he must be around 10k behind both Ava and Ariana once the missing streaming data is added in, so his surge on iTunes today would need to be sustained tomorrow and Thursday as well.

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2018, 08:12 PM

Not necessarily, Mariah could get next week as her Christmas Day streams will be massive.

Even still Ava could have it the week after but by then Mark Ronson or someone could overtake.

Posted by: dandy* Dec 18 2018, 08:39 PM

I'm sort of rooting for Mariah to make #1 the week after. It would be pretty well deserved after all this time and would make up for her missing #1 this week when she really should have claimed it.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 08:42 PM

LadBaby shmadbaby. What we really need to know is, is Cher still top 65?

Posted by: dancember Dec 18 2018, 08:49 PM

Not only is she top 65, she's top 60!

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 18 2018, 09:07 PM

THIS!

Would Mariah be no.1 this week without ACR?

Come on, sausage song novelty!! Show BJSC and X Factor how it'a done!



I see :/ I don't buy singles. I could watch the YT vid and free Spotify it then fooor 2/600 of a sale.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 09:13 PM

!!!!!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 18 2018, 09:17 PM

the silly thing will be that the OCC will have to estimate 1 day of Spotify data and who knows how many days of YT data, think YT is even slower reporting than Spotify,
so if it's close, it's a pity it will all be based on last day estimates rather than real data

for me, personally this week, it reminds me of a few weeks back when Eastside managed #1 but no matter how you looked at the data, Promises should have been added and not even close... for me, this week it's the same, Ariana should be like 5k ahead by my calculations so not sure how she's behind even with missing data

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 09:18 PM

Bjork has a hand at more data than the OCC, you see

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 18 2018, 09:26 PM

Oh well done Cher!

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 18 2018, 09:27 PM

Posted by: Petivity Dec 18 2018, 09:36 PM

I mean the LadBaby song is horrendous but I'm definitely backing it for the #1, I don't think we've had a novelty song hit the top since I've been following the charts

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 18 2018, 09:37 PM

I agree with the sentiment of it being great to see an exciting no1 race this week and for Christmas no1 week too. Pity sales were bigger but sure.

Any but Ariana for me - songs poor imo and it's had it's time now for sure!

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 09:37 PM

'Freaky Friday'? x

Posted by: Petivity Dec 18 2018, 09:40 PM

If it's supposed to have any comedic value then it's certainly lost it on me

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 09:45 PM

I mean it's not a 'novelty hit' in the same vein as LadBaby is (the last of those to get to #1 would be PJ & Duncan in 2013 I guess), but you can't have thought it was actually a serious song? Lil Dicky is more of a comedian who happens to make music than an actual musician.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 18 2018, 09:50 PM

Well whatever it is it's something different at the top which is what Xmas no1 is about sometimes!

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 09:52 PM

LadBaby would not be remembered like Mr Blobby. It's just a smash and grab campaign out of nowhere, it won't even be top 100 next week!

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 18 2018, 10:18 PM

It would still be no1 though. But like Rage in the download era it fell out of the top 40 within 2 weeks. Still one of the most shocking moments in chart history!

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 18 2018, 10:19 PM

What does Number 1 even mean these days?

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 18 2018, 10:25 PM

It still shows an insight into the uk culture imo and it is still important!

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 18 2018, 10:41 PM

I believe it means you've sold/streamed more than any other song in a set 7-day time period, in the UK.

"You're welcome".

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 18 2018, 10:42 PM

So? It will finally get the Xmas no.1 back on the radar and it would generate chart headlines the likes we haven't seen since Forever crashed and burned!

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 18 2018, 10:43 PM

* except Mariah

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 18 2018, 10:50 PM

CORRECTION: It means according to very arbitrary rules that the OCC have made up (and are generally inconsistent about) you've sold/streamed more than any other song in a set 7-day time period, in the UK.

Most people I've spoken to assume the iTunes #1 is the official number one anyway...

Posted by: Chez WiseMen Dec 18 2018, 11:14 PM

I've not heard this LadBaby thing (sounds...intriguing based on the description), but I'm here for a genuine battle for number 1 between this, Ava and Ariana and maybe even Mariah Carey in there too! Definitely how a Christmas race should be done, so pleased to be proved immediately wrong in that Christmas number 1 thread *.

Posted by: Tedward Dec 18 2018, 11:51 PM

Or the Big Top 40, which I do believe still gets more listeners than OCC's chart on R1

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 18 2018, 11:54 PM

Not really a fair comparison when the BT40 is broadcast on lots of different stations compared to the official chart only being on Radio 1. In any case the vast majority of listeners for both are probably just people casually listening to the radio at the time it's on rather than specifically tuning into it (I'd be shocked if there are more people that actively choose to listen to the BT40 than the official one).

You might well be right that there are people who think the BT40 #1 is the actual #1 though just because of how incessantly they bleat on about how 'official' it is because of those higher listening figures

Posted by: Tedward Dec 19 2018, 12:10 AM

BT40 is a right shitshow of a chart though! TGS Reimagined version of Million Dreams and Dalton went to #1 on it recently

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 19 2018, 12:20 AM

You were doing so well there until you brought the Spice Girls into it

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 19 2018, 12:23 AM

It's really bugs me that.

Most of the people who watched I'm a Celeb thought Nick Knowles was no1 for a week when he got there for a few hours. I shouted too I was blue in the face that he barely charted after this and if your no1 on iTunes for a few hours does that mean you've sold enough to be no1 that whole week?!!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever Dec 19 2018, 04:54 AM

Good to see olly Murs top 10.

Posted by: alfiebot Dec 19 2018, 06:02 AM

She was #57 on Monday's update, so it's nice to hear she's still top 60! Passed 62k in sales as of today

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 19 2018, 07:40 AM

Plus it's about to lose dozens of stations and will mainly only be on Capital & Heart

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 19 2018, 07:45 AM

Sheesh 62k on just puts you top 60 sales must be astronomical

Posted by: Petivity Dec 19 2018, 09:15 AM

To be fair they made it as explicit as possible on the show that it was just an iTunes #1, they even gave a segment to Anne talking about the Official Charts and it was made pretty clear that they were different things. What annoys me more is articles saying things like 'Flakefleet Primary are now at #2 on the charts' - erm, no they're not.

Posted by: Dennis123 Dec 19 2018, 12:11 PM

Has Rita Ora got that top 5 album yet?

Posted by: Dennis123 Dec 19 2018, 12:21 PM

Yeh, the "official" chart is going to slip further and further down in people's thoughts due to the way it's run and rules are decided. Adding streaming with sales was always going to be tricky, they should have just done two official charts.

Then you have stupid rules that a song could be number one but because its more than 3 years old it doesn't count the majority of it's streams or something. Its too complicated to the average person and Its not a true reflection of what is popular and more a chart to suit a few execs who have a biased viewpoint.

Posted by: Dennis123 Dec 19 2018, 12:23 PM

This is why there should be a sales chart and a streaming chart run separately. People can then decided between themselves which has more status.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 19 2018, 12:26 PM

Masterton has updated. Ava maintaining lead of 2500 over LadBaby, and extended lead to 3000 over Ariana. Missing day of streaming means Ava’s lead closer to 8000 over LadBaby and would have to be pushing her below 0.2 on Kworb to stand a chance.

Posted by: njhag Dec 19 2018, 12:43 PM

There is a sales only chart.

Posted by: Jason Dec 19 2018, 01:04 PM

Yes.
Reading the full article at https://chart-watch.uk/index.php/xmas-no-1/december-19th-12pm we can conclude Ava has it in the bag this week.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 19 2018, 01:07 PM

SO many doubted me I knew it would be close didn't expect her to have a 3k lead over Ariana at this point!

YESSSS I got her at 12/1 too so hopefully a £268 win and the best Christmas number 1 in YEARSSSSS.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 19 2018, 01:37 PM

Wednesday Top 40 Update
Source: Music Week
Missing Data: Amazon HD, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Tuesday), YouTube (for Sunday, Monday and Tuesday)

Singles

1 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (32.8k)
2 LadBaby - We Built This City (30.2k) *
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (29.7k)
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (21.4k)
5 Mark Ronson feat. Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like a Heart (20.6k)

6-10
7 Ariana Grande - imagine *
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
12 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
15 Michael Bublé - It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christmas
17 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
18 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
19 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
21 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
22 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
26 P!nk - A Million Dreams
27 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 James Arthur - Empty Space

31-40
32 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
33 George Ezra - Shotgun
37 Flakefleet Primary School - Light Up *
38 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (42.4k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (37.0k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (35.2k)
4 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (32.8k)
5 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (29.4k) *

6-10
9 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
16 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
23 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight

31-40
32 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
36 Ed Sheeran - ÷
39 Elton John - Diamonds ^

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 01:43 PM

Wish I bet on Ava now

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 19 2018, 01:48 PM

Still think Ariana will be V close once Youtube data is added.

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 19 2018, 01:55 PM

Ava has got it now!

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 19 2018, 01:58 PM

I have an AWFUL feeling, that LadBaby is gonna get to #1 due to a last minute tweeting spree either tonight and/or tomorrow.

It's very Dave - Funky Friday-esque (campaign wise, not song lmao)... gahhhhh!! (Minus the fact people were streaming Dave too)

Posted by: Jack Dec 19 2018, 02:03 PM

I think the streaming data lost will push it in Ava & Ariana's favour - leading to an Ava victory but it will be close.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 19 2018, 02:10 PM

I’d love ladbaby to pull off the upset but the fact he fairly certain to end top 5 is still a lot higher than I expected. Ava would likely have got it next week anyway,

Posted by: sammy01 Dec 19 2018, 02:18 PM

So you are all in favour of ACR now as Mariah would be a certain number 1 this week and their would be no race to xmas number 1.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 19 2018, 02:43 PM

That's my concern too. It's not over yet guys! Too close to call.

Posted by: smidsy101 Dec 19 2018, 02:44 PM

Any news on whether Zayn has managed to remain in the top #100 or not?

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 19 2018, 02:44 PM

Is Leona likely to stay top 20 by Friday Joseph?
Would love her to hold at #18 and get a new peak (since its peak at #3 in 2013 of course)
She got #19 last year the week after Christmas so hopefully if she can't beat that this week she will next week.
Doing brilliant for being on ACR though this year.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 19 2018, 02:53 PM

Nobody has said that...


Just outside the top 70


I think she should do, most of the songs directly behind her are Christmas songs too and therefore unlikely to overtake!

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 19 2018, 03:00 PM

Thanks Joseph

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 19 2018, 03:06 PM

If Zara misses the top 25, Josephs blood shall be shed.

Hopefully Xmas boost / gift cards increase ensures the song avoids ACR.

Posted by: 🎄Cqmerqn🎄 Dec 19 2018, 03:18 PM

That’s what I’m hoping for Ellie too

Posted by: Dmdr Dec 19 2018, 03:52 PM

I have my fingers crossed for Leona getting a new post release year peak this week with One More Sleep.

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 04:00 PM

This.

I finally listened to it and the song is atrocious, but would be a hilarious addition to our list of Xmas no.1s and put the Xmas no.1 and charts back on the radar. People do not understand streaming however so it won't.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 19 2018, 04:01 PM

She's #20 xx

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 19 2018, 05:27 PM

I think it’s people are accepting a stupid rule and it’s pointless arguing and going round and round in a circle we will all know in our hearts what the real number 1 is.

I knowolly had his show but it is shocking to see olly above little mix

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 05:52 PM

Not for me I told y'all! Wonder if they will release their If U Wanna (Have Some Fun) (Are You Having Fun, Are You Having Fun?) next, or cancel it.

Posted by: dancember Dec 19 2018, 05:56 PM

Little Mix will re-overtake Olly once Christmas is over, Olly has the Mums effect that will die down after Christmas.

Posted by: chartdj Dec 19 2018, 06:05 PM

little mix are very underperforming

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 06:12 PM

But people were saying Little Flops would rise over Christmas due to um ... LM5 being bought as Xmas presents? Now it's they will rise AFTER Xmas??

Posted by: dancember Dec 19 2018, 06:16 PM

Most of Little Mix's fans do streaming now whereas Olly is more of a physical seller.

Many of LM's fans won't want the CD for Christmas because they have a Spotify subscription.

Posted by: SmileyKylie Dec 19 2018, 06:19 PM

Glastonbury headliner Kylie Minogue still selling well. 3.7k and 45th in todays update. Her 6th biggest week of sales 30 weeks into the campaign. Roll on 2019!

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 06:28 PM

But I thought they underperformed on Spotify for every era?

Posted by: chartdj Dec 19 2018, 06:28 PM

While I accept the reason for ACR, but making it fixed for songs of 3 years is not convincing, for example would this have prevented the Rage campaign against x factor?

Posted by: dancember Dec 19 2018, 06:44 PM

It's not comparable. In 2009 a sale was a sale. If streaming counted in 2009 it would have been negligible and Rage still would've been #1.

A sale is still a sale now but most people have switched to streaming making it harder for campaign singles to do well (and likewise, making it harder for X Factor).

But yes Rage would've been on ACR and would probably have missed #1 if streaming was as big as it was now.

Posted by: chartdj Dec 19 2018, 06:55 PM

exactly, even if streaming today counts more than sales, I think if for whatever reason an old song gets more streams than new songs it should be awarded #1

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 19 2018, 07:00 PM

She's not headlining, she's playing her legendary slot onstage on Sunday.

Posted by: truly talented Dec 19 2018, 07:11 PM

Have Little Mix had anywhere near the promo Olly Murs has had?

Posted by: WhovilleOdyssey Dec 19 2018, 07:16 PM

She isn't headlining Glasto, she's performing in the 'legends' slot.

Posted by: StephenN18 Dec 19 2018, 07:22 PM

Is Cher still top 60? It will be certified Silver on Friday!

Posted by: Joeflake Dec 19 2018, 07:23 PM

Kylie headline Glastonbury

Olly Murs had a TV special didn’t he?

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 19 2018, 07:38 PM

Aside from the fact it's not accurate, I am glad SmileyKylie specified it's Glastonbury headliner Kylie Minogue because otherwise I wouldn't have known which Kylie Minogue he was referring to.

Posted by: Hadji Dec 19 2018, 07:44 PM

Shame LM didn’t choose to release their album on Friday just gone as they would’ve been contenders for Xmas #1 album

Posted by: TomJ1991 Dec 19 2018, 07:45 PM

It's impressive how well LadBaby is doing. He's an unsigned act heading for a top 5 - I don't think many unsigned acts have managed that.

Posted by: SKOB Dec 19 2018, 07:46 PM

Except they are doing worse in streaming (#20) than sales (#11)

That's probably due to lack of other even remotely successful songs than WLM but still.

Posted by: liamk97 Dec 19 2018, 07:47 PM

Posted by: SmileyKylie Dec 19 2018, 07:52 PM

Sorry she is 'playing' the Pyramid stage in the legends slot on Sunday afternoon. She was supposed to headline back when she was diagnosed with breast cancer and so unfortunately couldn't

Posted by: WhovilleOdyssey Dec 19 2018, 07:55 PM

She isn't headlining the Pyramid stage either.

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 19 2018, 07:56 PM

Happened at Christmas a few years ago with Alex Day (of making an account on BuzzJack to promote his single fame) with 'Forever Yours' as well.

Aside: apparently Alex logged into his BuzzJack account as recently as 2017, I wonder if he still lurks here. x

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 19 2018, 08:01 PM

Buzzjack s most famous member?

Anyway, Ava looking good for the top spot now.

TGS looking dead feet for no1!

Posted by: liamk97 Dec 19 2018, 08:02 PM

Didn't 99 Souls of The Girl is Mine fame make a BuzzJack account too?

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 19 2018, 08:03 PM

That will be me

Posted by: WhovilleOdyssey Dec 19 2018, 08:07 PM

Was Captain Ska unsigned?

Posted by: Riser Dec 19 2018, 08:08 PM

Maybe the 'Kylie Minogue' Buzzjack account is headlining Glastonbury!

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 19 2018, 08:27 PM

Well quite Miley, how could I forget yours truely

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 19 2018, 08:36 PM

Ava leaps over Ariana to #1 on Apple Music

I genuinely feel a million seller coming...

Posted by: lewistgreen Dec 19 2018, 08:48 PM

They did indeed!

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 19 2018, 08:52 PM

(I mean, I'd be pretty surprised if it didn't make it to a million eventually, most #1s do these days)

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 19 2018, 08:57 PM

So Poker Face through it cover version will now get an Xmas no.1 to its name and several more weeks at no.1!!

Posted by: njhag Dec 19 2018, 08:59 PM

Even if it's just people/businesses/shops endlessly streaming playlists? There's so many Christmas playlists on the home screens people are just starting them off and leaving them. Is that what the charts should be about?

Posted by: TomJ1991 Dec 19 2018, 09:58 PM

It's no different from people streaming the trending playlists, or the top 40 playlists. The charts are now full of streams in the background, streams while people are asleep, streams where people listen for a minute and then skip, or where a playlist is just on at a party.

Posted by: njhag Dec 19 2018, 10:06 PM

Yeah, that's true and that's probably next on the hitlist. It's more prominent at Christmas though with the sheer amount of playlists and extra people that are streaming.

Streaming is one massive headache that is gonna take ages to find a perfect solution on.

Posted by: André Dec 20 2018, 12:11 AM

I guess I'm the only one who was hoping for Ariana to top the Xmas charts. I mean, "Thank U, Next" is clearly the more popular song and the single charts should be a representation of what's popular right now but alas....

Posted by: 🎄Cqmerqn🎄 Dec 20 2018, 12:12 AM

Well, if Sweet But Psycho finishes at #1 then surely that is the most popular song? It’s not as if Ariana is on ACR.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 12:14 AM

Indeed, if we really want to argue Mariah is the most popular song this December as sales are low all round!!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 20 2018, 07:41 AM

what will be tragic is if Mariah is #1 again but denied the #1 cos of madeup-ACR :/

Posted by: Bjork Dec 20 2018, 07:46 AM

Just realised what Sweet but Psycho is, its a mix of Gaga's Pokerface and Paparazzi, if you mix the 2 songs you get Sweet but Psycho

Posted by: Robbie Dec 20 2018, 10:04 AM

This is likely to happen. I'm sure she would have been at number 1 in yesterday's mids if it wasn't for the track being on ACR.

Posted by: Jay ☆ Dec 20 2018, 10:16 AM

Yeah it would have been, Wham! would be midweek #2 too!

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 10:37 AM

It really isn't

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 10:55 AM

But... would that wear off after Xmas day like last year, the tracks soon plummeted.

Posted by: gooddelta Dec 20 2018, 11:01 AM

Mint Royale just tweeted the following:

"Well this is exciting! The Ladbaby song has overtaken Ava Max! We might have a novelty Christmas Number 1 again!!! #exciting"

Surely this doesn't account for the previous day's streams which are always missing though, which should add another 7/8k for Ava?

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 11:03 AM

And might still be some missing YouTube streams too?

AAAAHH. Need to see sales figures!

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 20 2018, 11:04 AM

Yes LadBaby back up to number 1 in today's midweeks - looks likely that “We Built This City” is certain to debut at least #2 as he's already outsold what Ariana Grande had (up to Thursday) last week, and she's down about 10%.

For ref: Grande had sold 42.6K at this point last week. Ava Max is on track for around 55K or so..

Posted by: Jack Dec 20 2018, 11:10 AM

Oh ffs What a tragic #1.

Ah well, I guess it'll drop off immediately next week. Just worried Ladbaby will get it this week, Mariah the following and then Ava may have potentially dropped off by then to get #01.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 11:14 AM

@MintRoyale
10% ahead, sold 14k downloads yesterday it seems, if it keeps up anything like that pace YouTube is irrelevant. I don’t know exactly what’s included so far but he’s sold more than Ariana had by this stage last week

---

How the F did he sell 14k downloads yesterday?!

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 11:17 AM

I still take Mint Royale's statement with a pinch of salt

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 20 2018, 11:18 AM

14k downloads in a day makes absolutely no sense as his lead has stayed the same if not dropped off a bit yesterday?

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 20 2018, 11:20 AM

So Ava on 40K, LadBaby on 44K. Not a foregone conclusion by any means IMO. Probably needs to do another 11K today to take the #1.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 11:22 AM

It is weird. Digital Sales Data is now saying he's done 10k in last 24 hours when it was more like 7k a couple days ago, and like you say his lead over Ava hasn't changed much in the last 48 hours.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 20 2018, 11:22 AM

OCC Left out Amazon HD Isn't that standard downloads?

That explains it then as he's probably selling mega amounts on Amazon.

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 20 2018, 11:24 AM

Yes, Amazon are probably as big as (if not bigger than) iTunes in this low sales environment- so you could be right!

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 11:24 AM

Unless there's loads of streams missing it does look like he's going to do it.

DAMN.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 20 2018, 11:25 AM

Super cringe. Come on Ava (or Ariana)!

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 20 2018, 11:26 AM

What a CRAP #1 it's not even a good Novelty song.

Once again Christmas number 1 is a JOKE.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 11:26 AM

I've said this before but I really am never betting on anything erver again. It's too stressful!

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 20 2018, 11:26 AM

...but we could see some absolutely massive drops from #1 in the next couple of weeks; first this - then Mariah. The Lewisham And Greenwich NHS Choir about to be usurped.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 11:30 AM

The Christmas #1 all about sausage rolls Honestly.... I despair

Posted by: Petivity Dec 20 2018, 11:34 AM

Three Lions already did that quite spectacularly in the summer!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 11:34 AM

Thank you so much for this gleaming pearl of wisdom.

Posted by: dancember Dec 20 2018, 11:35 AM

Oh no it's actually going to happen then isn't it? He'll be extending his iTunes lead today too as they do the last minute push for sales.

It'll be forgotten about within a week at least.

Posted by: Jason Dec 20 2018, 11:36 AM

Is there any Amazon HD/Amazon Music chart link available please?

Posted by: dancember Dec 20 2018, 11:37 AM

Could've googled it yourself

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Best-Sellers-MP3-Downloads/zgbs/dmusic/digital-music-track

LadBaby is #1. No way of knowing by how much though, Kworb doesn't track Amazon.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 11:41 AM

Ladbaby is going to take it last minute isn't he
Debating whether to give it a download for a laugh at this point

Posted by: Jason Dec 20 2018, 11:42 AM

Thanks Dan. I was hoping there was a kworb thing just to see the percentages though.

Posted by: gavindeejay Dec 20 2018, 11:43 AM

Oh dear. It'll be funny to see how far it falls next week!

Posted by: Jason Dec 20 2018, 11:45 AM

Unpopular opinion, but I want a new 'Mr Blobby' at Christmas number 1 tomorrow.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 11:46 AM

Nooo, don't do that. Step away from the iTunes account.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 11:58 AM

It maybe to late only joking I have better things to spend that £1 on
He's just got a 10% gain on itunes, Pushed Ava down to just 14% now.

Posted by: gooddelta Dec 20 2018, 12:02 PM

FFS, 14k in a day, how? Was looking forward to a £50 Xmas bonus

As an upshot, at least there was fuss in the media made over the Xmas No.1 in the end. Ava's team are absolutely mad not getting her over here for some last minute promo, a Christmas number one out of nowhere with her first hit would have been such a good marketing story.

Posted by: dancember Dec 20 2018, 12:03 PM

Well if there's one positive from this* it's that we may well see more people go for the Christmas Number One next year now that it's been shown that a #1 campaign can still be done successfully (and hopefully we get a better song doing it next year) and maybe more interest in the Christmas chart again.

*other than the money being raised for charity

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 12:05 PM

Oh is that Ladbaby song for Charity?! what one? I might actually give it my 99p in that case, I didn't know that!

Posted by: dancember Dec 20 2018, 12:06 PM

Trussel Trust (food banks).

Posted by: Lady Gaga Dec 20 2018, 12:07 PM

Use that 99p to buy Sweet but Psycho

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 12:07 PM

Aww, He is getting my 99p after all then, Come on sausage roll.

Posted by: DexTheHalls Dec 20 2018, 12:11 PM

Nice to see a charity song looking at getting the Christmas #1 again, haven’t heard the song but I suppose it’s not the song itself that matters as much as the meaning behind it’s campaign. It will be a shame if Ava misses out on #1 though but if it’s Mariah that claims the #1 instead it’s not the end of the world. Hopefully Ava will get a shot in the New Year but new Post Malone could prevent her

Actually it would be pretty hilarious if she’s blocked from #1 three weeks in a row by three different songs: Ladbaby, Mariah, Post Malone. Has that happened before? I feel like it has but I’m blanking (Moves Like Jagger? How Deep Is Your Love?)

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 12:11 PM

I downloaded that on Tuesday
Loved sweet but psycho for months way before it become a thing.

Posted by: Sagand Dec 20 2018, 12:19 PM

After VAT, iTunes share, Starships share and what LadBaby’s website describe as “label and management” fees the charity would probably be better off if you buy Ava for 59p and donate 40p direct.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 12:24 PM

I detest sausage rolls with passion now

Ava could miss out on a potential #1 now

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 12:30 PM

Thursday Top 40 Update
Missing Data: Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify (all for Wednesday), YouTube (for Tuesday and Wednesday)

Singles

1 LadBaby - We Built This City (45.3k) *
2 Ava Max - Sweet But Psycho (41.4k)
3 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (37.0k)
4 Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (26.0k - 84 sales ahead)
5 Mark Ronson feat. Miley Cyrus - Nothing Breaks Like a Heart (26.0k)

6-10
7 Ariana Grande - imagine *
9 The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale of New York

11-20
14 Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?
18 Elton John - Step Into Christmas
19 Leona Lewis - One More Sleep
20 Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone

21-30
21 Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree
22 Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas
23 Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me
24 Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday
26 P!nk - A Million Dreams
29 John & Yoko - Happy Xmas (War Is Over) ^
30 James Arthur - Empty Space

31-40
34 Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime ^
36 George Ezra - Shotgun
37 Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody ^

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Albums

1 Motion Picture Cast Recording - The Greatest Showman (55.2k)
2 Michael Bublé - love (48.7k)
3 George Ezra - Staying At Tamara's (45.2k)
4 Roy Orbison & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - Unchained Melodies (43.7k)
5 Bruce Springsteen - Springsteen On Broadway (35.2k) *

6-10
8 Fleetwood Mac - 50 Years: Don't Stop
10 Olly Murs - You Know I Know

11-20
11 Lady Gaga & Bradley Cooper - A Star Is Born
13 Jess Glynne - Always In Between
15 Buddy Holly & Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - True Love Ways
17 Paul Heaton - The Last King Of Pop

21-30
22 Motion Picture Cast Recording - Mamma Mia! Here We Go Again
23 Boyzone - Thank You & Goodnight

31-40
31 Alfie Boe - As Time Goes By
33 Ariana Grande - Sweetener
34 Barbra Streisand - Walls
35 Ed Sheeran - ÷
37 The Beatles - The Beatles (The White Album)
39 Elton John - Diamonds ^

Posted by: Lady Gaga Dec 20 2018, 12:30 PM

Exactly, an Xmas #1 too. So exclusive and like someone else mentioned, gives a great story for her career.

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 12:33 PM

I had bets on Ava, Ariana and Miley and was convinced I'd at least covered my stakes! Damn damn damn! Serves me right I suppose. Gambling is bad!

Posted by: King Wencesrollo Dec 20 2018, 12:36 PM

I've just listened to the sausage roll song for the first time and enjoyed it. I hope it's the Christmas number 1. It's clearly much better than that boring Ava Max song.

Posted by: Lady Gaga Dec 20 2018, 12:38 PM

Delusion... convince yourself

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 20 2018, 12:42 PM

It's pushed 'Sweet But Psycho' down to 14%, I think Ladbaby will be 100% now. Poor Ava.

Posted by: luzbeki Dec 20 2018, 12:42 PM

Has Baby stayed Top 30?

Posted by: Jason Dec 20 2018, 12:43 PM

Where's It's the Most Wonderful Time of the Year by Andy Williams please?

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 12:44 PM

Yup


Top 50

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 20 2018, 12:48 PM

Lmaoooo. This is truly the darkest timeline. I really hope Ava can still get to #1 at a later date anyway, preferably preventing Mariah from taking it next week please I guess I can never be mad at a song making a good amount of money for charity and all but this honestly is going to be probably the worst song to ever get Christmas #1, I usually love a novelty hit but this is just painfully cringeworthy.

Interesting that during the week of the Xmas #1 there have been three different songs that were odds-on favourites at some point. Has that ever happened before?

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 12:48 PM

Thank you for the full update Joseph!
How many copies is Leona ahead of #20 do you know? Hopefully she stays 19 / 20 tomorrow.

Posted by: Dennis123 Dec 20 2018, 12:49 PM

How come Ladbaby has grown its lead on iTunes?

Do we think he has a chance now?

Posted by: chartdj Dec 20 2018, 12:52 PM

it seems the kworb feed is delayed, because yesterday the ladbaby song was going behind on that feed

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 12:55 PM

Omg omg come on ladbaby and he was on bbc breakfast this morning

Hopefully Ava still gets a week though

Posted by: dancember Dec 20 2018, 12:56 PM

She's a few hundred sales ahead of #20 and over a thousand ahead of #21 so she should remain top 20.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 12:59 PM

I can't believe this track is going to get played on TOTP on Xmas Day

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 12:59 PM

And to think for 1 week only ladbaby is proving that paid for sales can still effect the charts

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 20 2018, 12:59 PM

Thank god I covered my bets and put £50 on Ladbaby at 4/1.

£70 profit but I'm absolutely gutted for Ava

Posted by: Dennis123 Dec 20 2018, 01:02 PM

Just shows you still need promo.

Ava just needed one biggish TV performance in the last couple of weeks and she would have guaranteed #1.

If Ariana had released the video for Thank You, Next a week later, she would still be #1.

Posted by: TS0301 Dec 20 2018, 01:05 PM

Sausage rolls aren’t even nice, ugh!

why cant the vegans have an uprising and buy Sweet but Psycho

Posted by: DexTheHalls Dec 20 2018, 01:08 PM

*.*

Posted by: Lady Gaga Dec 20 2018, 01:08 PM

#VegansAgainstLadBaby

Posted by: Djcheekymagpie Dec 20 2018, 01:10 PM

Any news on

The fire tones
Flakefleet
The lake poets

Posted by: dobbo Dec 20 2018, 01:16 PM

I'm genuinely shocked at how Ladbaby retained such consistently high sales throughout the week, I really thought they'd fall away.

Fair play though, been a long time since sales made such an impact and just goes to show it's never over etc etc. For a novelty track I do quite like it, charity songs don't always need to be dull & dreary choir renditions.
.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 01:16 PM

Thank you for the info Dan,
I am hoping next week she can beat the #19 she got last year after Christmas.

Posted by: Petivity Dec 20 2018, 01:19 PM

Flakefleet top 45, Fire Tones top 90, Lake Poets not top 100 (which is a shame as they're the ones which could actually have got a career boost out of this)

Posted by: Djcheekymagpie Dec 20 2018, 01:22 PM

Thank you got feeling cliff Richard mistletoe and wine and Matt terry is gone out since Monday

Posted by: Petivity Dec 20 2018, 01:32 PM

Cliff is just about Top 100, Matt has dropped out.

Posted by: Rafael x Dec 20 2018, 01:45 PM

Would be amazing to see Zayns position, out of the charts, maybe?

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 20 2018, 01:46 PM

where is zara x

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 01:53 PM

On the No.17 bus wherever that takes you

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 01:54 PM

Its dropped out of the top 75 chart.

Posted by: Rafael x Dec 20 2018, 02:03 PM

Posted by: sprock-93 Dec 20 2018, 02:07 PM

Do you know Bocelli position for "Si" today?
thanks in advance!

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 02:11 PM

3+3+1+??

Posted by: sprock-93 Dec 20 2018, 02:17 PM

thanks again another 30k for Bocelli will push Si close to 200K.

At the same time, I'm curious about Mariah's number next week. We know that she has to double the streamings of her competitors.
Do you think will she have any chance to get the #1 with 3-4 days with more than 700K on Spotify?
thanks

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 02:17 PM

Can I also just say thanks to all the chart mods for all their hard week bringing this thread topic to you every week and all your contributions.

I don't think there will be any mids in the next fortnight with Christmas and New Years Day falling on a Tuesday. iTunes and Spotify topics will be your best friend, I expect normal services will resume the week of 7 January 2019. If we have any info it will be posted when its available.

In the meantime can I say to everyone have a nice Christmas and a happy new year and thanks to all members who have contributed to this year's xmas chart. 20 pages+ well done guys.

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 02:20 PM

Same to you, Have a lovely christmas / new year.
Thanks to all the mods aswell :-)

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 20 2018, 02:23 PM

That's what it's all about, Xmas No1 historically has never been too serious. Think the last great No1 was Spice Girls personally.

Posted by: reissus123 Dec 20 2018, 02:34 PM

It's embarrassing and a mockery of the charts that utter tripe like LadBaby can get to #1. What is wrong with people?

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 02:37 PM

Oh lightening up, The song is for charity.
Its all been done before, Yes the lyrics are sh!t but to be dramatic to say its making a mockery of the charts is an over reaction.

Posted by: Petivity Dec 20 2018, 02:38 PM

I personally think it's great that songs like LadBaby can do so well in the charts, it shows that we don't take ourselves too seriously (even if the song itself is rubbish). A song like this would never hit the charts in America.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 20 2018, 02:38 PM

I’d agree but NHS Choir sounded worse

Also would be nice for Mariah to finally get number 1 but then it opens up the concern that it would happen every last week of every year.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel Dec 20 2018, 02:41 PM

Massive THANKS to all the Mods this Year!

Sometimes I become a silent chart addict but I always come back and have a quick browse and sales/Updates.

Have an amazing Christmas and New Year everyone!

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 20 2018, 02:41 PM

“The song is for charity” shouldn’t be an excuse to fart out any old noise lol

Posted by: Doctor Blind Dec 20 2018, 02:43 PM

Yes, thanks to all the chart mods for their hard work this year- and a Merry Christmas to everyone reading and contributing!!

Posted by: BrookeOlivia Dec 20 2018, 02:51 PM

Nobody said it was, hence why stating it’s all been done before charity singles etc, also said the lyrics was sh!t. So before you want to try and get sassy darling think first point I was making is it’s dramatic to say it’s making a mockery of the charts.

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 20 2018, 02:59 PM

Nobody was getting sassy "darling" until your response

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 03:01 PM

If anything it’s the one time of the year it is acceptable to be fun and cheesy and not take too serious

Posted by: sprock-93 Dec 20 2018, 03:24 PM

Massive thanks to all the Mods!!!

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 03:32 PM

You're all very welcome, have a brilliant Christmas all but first, I'll see you guys for the Christmas chart tomorrow!!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 03:48 PM

London Bridge

Posted by: Crazy Christmas Dec 20 2018, 03:53 PM

Oh come on it's great. Haven't laughed for months but did when I heard this. Come on Ladbaby. Proves that anything can still get to No.1.

Posted by: Siôn Corn Dec 20 2018, 03:54 PM

Looks like a fair few people need to lighten up.

Christmas no.1 really isn’t that important.

Posted by: Crazy Christmas Dec 20 2018, 03:59 PM

I wonder if this will increase sausage roll sales this Christmas.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 04:00 PM

'Sweet But Psycho' could have possibly been my favourite Christmas #1 since '2 Become 1', what a shame.

Posted by: Crazy Christmas Dec 20 2018, 04:02 PM

I'm an old fogey but even I like that one and Ariana's song too. Good Xmas top 3.

Posted by: Pigs in blankets Dec 20 2018, 04:07 PM

Posted by: ThePoguesmith Dec 20 2018, 04:07 PM

Good on LadBaby looking set to deliver the surprise that's been so lacking in Christmas charts of recent years. Also anyone advocating sausage rolls heartily gets my approval.

Merry Christmas everyone

Posted by: WhovilleOdyssey Dec 20 2018, 04:10 PM

Bradley Walsh has outsold both of Zayn's two albums with his two then.

Posted by: André Dec 20 2018, 04:12 PM

Honestly, I think the charts give too much weight to digital sales when 99.9% of the population is exclusively streaming. So if Ariana is getting more streams than Ava then she is more popular imo.

But anyway, the user who pointed the most popular song is neither Ariana nor Ava but Mariah Carey is correct. She should be #1 tbh.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 04:16 PM

You are truly exhausting.

Posted by: André Dec 20 2018, 04:17 PM

So are you sis. But next time try to go for a reasonable argument instead of the dumb personal attack.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 04:18 PM

I know this battle is tense but can we please hold back from personal insults? I've just deleted a highly inappropriate post, we're all old enough to know better than name-calling

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 04:19 PM

Have you done a survey to back up your 99.9% figure? If not, there is absolutely no weight to this argument...

Posted by: AcerBen Dec 20 2018, 04:20 PM

It's nothing like 99.9%

Posted by: André Dec 20 2018, 04:27 PM

I thought it was quite obviously a hyperbolic statement but lol, guess it needs to be explained.

Anyway, in your opinion what's the % of the public that consumes individual singles through streaming vs. through digital sales? I mean, I think it's laughable y'all honestly believe "Sweet but Psycho" is a bigger song right now among the GP than "Thank U, Next" but last time I had a discussion here people were legitimately arguing Rita Ora was a popstar the GP was very interested in so I guess we're all in different realities tbh.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 04:36 PM

No I totally understood your point, I knew it was hyperbolic but even with exaggerating, you're arguing that those who download aren't a significant part of the music consuming audience that makes up the chart. It's short-sighted, especially when you look at Kworb and see that Sweet But Psycho is selling roughly four times as much as thank u, next. Couple that with a difference of only ~50k on Spotify, and Ava is quite easily ahead. I don't see why it's such a difficult concept to grasp?

I agree that there's a significantly higher number of people who stream over those who buy, but that doesn't mean we can ignore the latter and say it's irrelevant. But it seems you're not open to discussing this topic if you're giving us that attitude about the previous debate.

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 04:39 PM

Erm if you did a survey of the “general public” there’s a strong chance a lot of them wouldn’t have heard of any of the three tracks or a lot of number 1s etc this year, does that make them any less popular, probably not

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 04:42 PM

Greggs has been busy this week when I walked past maybe it was just a coincidence

Posted by: Dircarolofbells Dec 20 2018, 04:49 PM

While I don't necessarily disagree (I'll let the charts decide), this is a very misleading way of presenting the information. A 4x lead sounds impressive but an 1,800 daily sales lead (if Digital Sales Data is to be trusted) which is the same thing does not The statistician in me can't help but be slightly bothered

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 04:52 PM

Of course, I'm speaking relatively - thank u, next is quite significantly behind Sweet But Psycho on iTunes is the point I was making, and it's not something to be ignored just because thank u, next is ahead on Spotify. iTunes may add comparatively less to the chart than it used to, but it really can make all the difference (see Freya Ridings perhaps most notably this year, who owes pretty much all of her top 10 weeks to downloads)

Posted by: Dircarolofbells Dec 20 2018, 05:01 PM

Yeah absolutely, I think LadBaby can attest to the power of sales Just incongruous data presentation (which I suppose is in part the fault of how iTunes/Spotify present their respective charts) is why the differing proportioned get so muddied. I think if the individual chart sales components were represented side by side with their proportions intact, there'd be a lot less hoopla about how the official chart doesn't line up with the impression people get from looking at iTunes & Spotify on their own.

Posted by: TomJ1991 Dec 20 2018, 05:03 PM

I mean, the LadBaby artwork did make me laugh. Good on him.

Posted by: Hadji Dec 20 2018, 05:13 PM

I’m surprised LadBaby is doing well seeing as he’s nowhere on Spotify. I hope he or Ava gets it tomorrow and I also hope Mark overtakes Mariah tomorrow

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 05:51 PM

Yes it'll def make the news if he takes the no1 as it's a random novelty track although I'm not too sure if it'll help more people promo for next years race as it didnt with the rage campaign, just meant we got a lot of crap campaigns!! We shall see though!!

Posted by: FleetSeb Dec 20 2018, 05:53 PM

Honestly, Sweet But Psycho sounds like a novelty track to me so I can't really take it seriously. I was hoping Ariana would stay at #1 but not to be, don't really care between the other two because one is a novelty track and one sounds like one to me, even if apparently it is a serious pop song. Therefore, supporting LadBaby on the basis that at least it is for charity.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 06:05 PM

I knew when there had been 7 pages of discussion today after coming home from work something was clearly up on BJ

Fair play to Ladbaby it will be a memorable no1 announcement and hopefully both Ava and Mark Cyrus can hit the top spot in January as both have plenty of life left in them!

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 06:06 PM

Exactly the whole reason we have SCR and ACR is because streaming a song every day for 6 months isn't the same value as buying the track outright so something had to be done to equal this out and speed up the chart.

Posted by: SKOB Dec 20 2018, 06:14 PM

So is it confirmed that Ladbaby will be #1 even with almost non-existent streaming?

Posted by: Tedward Dec 20 2018, 06:14 PM

This could be the last stand for downloads affecting the chart- in 2 (maybe even 1) years time, iTunes could very well be dead. Though I can't say I like the song, nice to see a novelty track getting the Christmas #1 for what might be the last time!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 06:36 PM

It was more of an observation than a personal attack.

But what you're essentially saying is that the charts should be fiddled or amended in your favour, downloads are still a legitimate consumption of music and still count (you know, on a platform where people are actually choosing the music they consume and purchase). Besides, even on streaming Ariana is gradually collapsing and Ava is gradually growing (and there's not exactly a lot of difference at this point), so I can't see how Ava wouldn't deserve it if she finished ahead.

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 20 2018, 06:54 PM

This week has been great, may not be the result everyone wants but it's got people talking again which is great. My preferred top 3 would be Ari, Ava and Ladboy but oh well.

Posted by: mdh Dec 20 2018, 07:05 PM

100 posts late but I don't see any similarities between Poker Face/Paparazzi and Sweet But Psycho aside from them both being by female pop singers... they're all completely different songs.

Posted by: mdh Dec 20 2018, 07:06 PM

Are there people REALLY getting uptight about a novelty song being #1? Lighten up jesus christ

Posted by: StephenN18 Dec 20 2018, 07:10 PM

Does anyone know what number Cher is in the albums? Thank you!

Posted by: Rosemerry 🤶🎁 Dec 20 2018, 07:12 PM

Hopefully top 65

Posted by: Petivity Dec 20 2018, 07:19 PM

^ !!!

She's Top 60 again.

Posted by: dobbo Dec 20 2018, 07:29 PM

This. People complain about the charts being boring & the #1 being too predictable for weeks on end, now we have a genuinely exciting chart battle again and now it's because it's not the result people want.

I think it's great that a song like this can come out of nowhere & upset the odds no matter its quality. And it's for a good cause!

Posted by: Lomadz Dec 20 2018, 07:30 PM

Disagree, not completely similar but impossible to deny some similarities.

Posted by: Michael Bubré Dec 20 2018, 07:32 PM

It's not exactly a direct copy but I think it's a bit disingenuous to deny that there's any similarity between 'Sweet But Psycho' and those Gaga songs.

Posted by: mdh Dec 20 2018, 08:00 PM

I can see how someone would associate Ava with that Gaga era but I'd argue that "Sweet But Psycho" doesn't take more than a tiny bit of influence, if any, from "Poker Face". It's definitely unique enough for someone to listen to the song 10 times without noticing any Gaga similarities.

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 20 2018, 08:09 PM

Well, you're on a chart music forum. Ofc you're gonna get people being happy, unhappy and passionate with what does and doesn't do well in the charts.

For me, in all honesty I wouldn't mind as much if it wasn't at Ava's expense Like, I'd probably deal with it better if it was 01. Ladbaby, 02. Ariana & 03. Ava haha Ava's already far exceeded my expectations chart success wise though. I just feel like her shot at number 1 is almost over (even if she increases etc..) isn't there rumours of Post Malone releasing before the end of the year is over/early next year? If true I could see a Ladbaby/Mariah/Post (9 weeks) turn over at number 1.

Posted by: mdh Dec 20 2018, 08:12 PM

I feel as though Ava will get at least a week at the top! Ideally we'll have a Ladbaby/Mariah/Ava/Miley/Post turnover - I don't think Post Malone will be an instant #1, probably a #3 debut and potentially climbig to the top after.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 20 2018, 08:12 PM

I could maybe even see Mark Ronson + Miley perhaps growing enough to overtake Ava after Christmas.

Posted by: SKOB Dec 20 2018, 08:14 PM

I would have never thought that Ariana was in danger this week in the first place but I think the release of Imagine might have hurt TUN just too much. It's a surprising week for sure.

Posted by: GTH Dec 20 2018, 08:24 PM

*Waits for song to become the Greggs anthem on all tv ads*

Posted by: 777666jason Dec 20 2018, 09:08 PM

You think anyone accidently bought it thinking it was a michael buble track

Posted by: ___∆___ Dec 20 2018, 09:17 PM

Keep seeing gift card effect - is that even a thing anymore?! It’s a bit 2006 tbh

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 09:18 PM

Yeh true, there's also no doubt that the reason Ariana has spent so long at the top is because the video came a few weeks later and caused renewed interest! It added at least 3 week to the no1 length!

Posted by: TheGrinch Dec 20 2018, 09:19 PM

Y'all need jesus.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 20 2018, 09:20 PM

This question is asked numerous times every year and it's proven to still exist - see Big Shaq making iTunes #1 last Christmas

Posted by: SweetButJonjo👻 Dec 20 2018, 09:21 PM

Yeah. iTunes gift cards still sell incredibly well where I work. Older songs (typically "best of the year")/discounted songs tend to do well and benefit a lot.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 10:17 PM

it def will!

Is Buble Christmas no6? If so how many sales is it off 5?

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 20 2018, 10:47 PM

Just realised that TGS has hugely gained sales as the weeks went on:

Monday 24k
Tuesday 32k
Wednesday 42k
Thursday 55k

Posted by: ChRiMbO LeG PiPe Dec 20 2018, 11:45 PM

Question one: You high?

Lady GaGa should have been credited. Everyone here on the FIRST LISTEN!!!!! said GaGa.



See? Why canae we all be more like Stephen? Instead of arguing over who is and isn't and who deserves no.1, we could be like Stephen and ask about Cher and Glastonberry headliner Kylie Minouglue! By the way, where is Glastonberry headliner Kylie Minogue?



Omg ... THIS!



No wait, THIS!! Thank you, chart mods!!



Actually wait, THIS!!!!

#VEGANSUNITE

Ariana has by far the best song. I saw the video today. Whilst unfunny and not a patch on Mean Girls, the Mean Girls tribute and the punched in the face girl in it, and looking the same as in the movie, is just



But your username is the sausage, the rolled sausage!!

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THIS!!!!



Omg Lady GaGa promoting rip off of her song

Tbh this is probably karma for her copying Express Yourself, so GaGa can't mention this tbh.



DO IT!!!!



Omg ... THIIIIIS!!!!! Abbbbsooolute RIP OFF.

Posted by: Houdini Dec 21 2018, 12:37 AM

I don't follow the Official Chart anymore but if this Ladbaby song gets to number one then it can only be something refreshing. I doubt all of the contributions towards this week's chart for the songs behind where made on purpose, it's easy to listen to a song by accident or be in a situation where you are forced to listen to a particular song somewhere in public but whether it was for a campaign or not you can tell the contributions for Ladbaby were pre-meditated so it feels purer.

Posted by: DanChartFan Dec 21 2018, 07:22 AM

Actually Walls are using it. Half way through the chart week Lad Baby announced that if you downloaded his single and then posted a screenshot of your purchase onto his facebook page you would be entered into a competition to win a years supply of Walls Sausage Rolls. This may be the reason sales picked up in the latter part of the week. There is already a few people saying on the page that the winner ought to donate the prize direct to the Tressel Trust charity that the single is raising money for. In terms of who is more known/popular this week I have heard a lot of people talking about Lad Baby, whilst Ariana's has been around long enough now (and isn't exactly her best effort in the first place) so there didn't seem much interest in her from the people I've discussed the charts with, and I think Ava is relatively unknown still as she is still building up, and more people will actually know who she is in a week or two, I mean the only reason I know of her myself is is that I have been following the xmas chart battle. I'm gonna go now and listen to Ava Max now to find out what it sounds like, as I didn't want to stream during Xmas week, as I wanted Lad Baby to get it (and I only heard of either of them when I saw the contenders based on the first midweek, I just happened to be drawn to checking out the novelty song first, then stuck with it).

Posted by: Bjork Dec 21 2018, 07:32 AM

just noticed Ladbaby has finally cracked the Youtube chart

1 Ariana Grande - thank u, next (376,133)
2 Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You (347,879)
3 Ava Max - Sweet but Psycho (335,270)
11 NEW LadBaby - We Built This City (181,905 )

still unsure how he sold so much on Wednesday, was doing well on iTunes but not that well, 4 times better than Ava... but not 20 times better... weird

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 21 2018, 08:11 AM

No11 on YouTube is t to be sniffed at! So Ladbaby won't be 100% downloads then!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 21 2018, 08:16 AM

and that YT chart is from a few days ago I believe

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 21 2018, 08:17 AM

So it will probably have picked up further sales since then!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 21 2018, 08:19 AM

he has done 1 million views on YT in 1 week
thats worldwide but guess most are from the UK

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 21 2018, 08:22 AM

Not bad I guess, although I'm sure the rest are much higher!

Posted by: Bjork Dec 21 2018, 08:25 AM

yes Ariana has done nearly 4 millions on YT in the UK last week

Posted by: Crazy Christmas Dec 21 2018, 08:28 AM

I watched it a few times on Wednesday lol.

Posted by: Christmasteve201 Dec 21 2018, 08:32 AM

This isn't in the bag yet guys imo, the chart will be tense today lol!!

Posted by: chartdj Dec 21 2018, 11:33 AM

is this ladbaby going to chart next week too? Still ahead on itunes

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn Dec 21 2018, 11:40 AM

I think it's showing the first signs of dropping off now on Kworb. It'll possibly still be in the chart somewhere though.

Posted by: JosephCarey Dec 21 2018, 12:03 PM

A friendly reminder ahead of today's chart, no spoilers of any sort are allowed. That includes revealing the #1 in either chart - it's not allowed in spoiler tags either. Thanks!