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Posted by: Juan Carlos 🌴 25th December 2017, 06:54 AM

"Girls" is a song from Rita Ora's upcoming second album slated to be released next year. The track, which features Charli XCX, Bebe Rexha and Cardi B, was performed by her, Charli XCX and RAYE on her set at BBC Radio 1's Big Weekend in May.

Posted by: Dexton 25th December 2017, 07:25 AM

Ugh Cardi B

Posted by: Bjork 25th December 2017, 08:40 AM

so is this being released now?? isn't she releasing the 50 shades songs with liam payne instead?

Posted by: Timsletoe 25th December 2017, 03:55 PM

Delete Charli and Bebe of this and it can be a tune

Posted by: Jack 25th December 2017, 04:35 PM

Yaaaas Cardi, I'm here for it.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 🌴 25th December 2017, 04:36 PM

The release is TBA for now. It was mentioned before the announcement of Rita's participation in the Fifty Shades Freed song with Liam Payne that the song was going to be released in January, but I think it has been delayed once again, unless Rita's team wants to push this song as well simultaneously.

Posted by: cqmerqn 25th December 2017, 04:39 PM

Omg Cardi!!!

Posted by: ChristmasTreeCow 25th December 2017, 06:33 PM

LMAO CARDI!!

Posted by: Liаm 25th December 2017, 07:44 PM

Omg dream team, hopefully this isn't another false start and it actually happens

Posted by: Atonement 25th December 2017, 10:47 PM

Love how prominent Cardi is right now. Upcoming features with Rita Ora and Bruno Mars, new singles with Migos and G-Eazy and singles of her own. Very smart marketing.

Posted by: Neil 26th December 2017, 11:52 AM

Interesting features, wonder if this might get her some traction in US.

Posted by: burbe 5th January 2018, 09:05 PM

Surprised no one has mentioned the solo leaked demo yet...



The fact it sounds like Thunder tho :') It really needs remixing for the final version because :') :') :')

Posted by: lotita. 5th January 2018, 09:12 PM

theres another updated snippet out there where you can hear charli and cardi and it sounds like such a bop!! im still so ready

Posted by: Jüpiter 5th January 2018, 09:45 PM

Poor RAYE lol. Would be good to see Rita and Charli's US careers re-take off because of this one.

Would be kinda ironic if Cardi B gave them that shot considering their existing success there is for both of them off the back of Iggy Azalea, another flavor of the month female rapper.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 5th January 2018, 11:11 PM

Did Rita ever have a career in the US?

Posted by: Lorde 5th January 2018, 11:23 PM

She has a top 3 hit in the US...

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 6th January 2018, 12:03 AM

But that's solely because of featuring on an Iggy Azalea song following on from her having a HUGE #1 smash. Aside from that, she's not even a known name there.

Posted by: Botchia 6th January 2018, 12:05 AM

I feel like Rita is semi known in the US but no one knows what for

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 6th January 2018, 12:17 AM

So she's essentially to the US what the woman in the gif of your sig is to the UK?

Posted by: Addyland 6th January 2018, 03:47 AM

Trust me she is well known here but not for her music...she has that celebrity status and she is always on some show and TV!!!

Posted by: Bjork 6th January 2018, 08:48 AM

US discography
as lead
#62 How do we(Party)
#77 I Will never let you down
as featured
#3 Black widow


surprised at how poorly she's done, I really thought that Your song has charted

Posted by: Botchia 6th January 2018, 10:09 AM

I think Your Song and Body On Me were both bubbling under but never went on Hot 100

Posted by: deepinside 12th January 2018, 04:36 PM

Super late to this, but really Rita, Charli, Bebe, and Cardi B in one song was literally the pop girl dream collaboration that only pick from the Warner current artist roster. Low key wish Dua was there as well but whatever I can't wait to see how it turn out.

Posted by: Botchia 7th February 2018, 10:30 PM

I'm tired of having to use the leaked demo, hurry with the real thing now pls

Posted by: Dexton 9th February 2018, 01:30 AM

Not excited about Cardi B but hopefully she won't be too prominent and let the other 2 superior features get enough time for themselves

Posted by: Tombo 19th February 2018, 05:14 AM

Anybody know when this is coming?

Posted by: JosephAvery 19th April 2018, 07:49 PM

JUST RELEASE IT FFS

Posted by: Jonjo 19th April 2018, 07:54 PM

Surely the other girl she's referring to is one of Dua or Zara?

Posted by: UltraReputation 19th April 2018, 07:59 PM

Cardi is who I'm thinking cos wasn't she rumoured at one point?

Posted by: Jonjo 19th April 2018, 08:03 PM

ohhh yes! Hahaaa. Oops. Nvm I guess I'll have to deal with a lazy, monotonous rap over it.

Posted by: JosephAvery 19th April 2018, 08:08 PM

"miming a bump over her stomach" pretty much confirms Cardi!

Posted by: Cremey 19th April 2018, 08:16 PM

UGH. Tired of waiting for this, just want it now.
Happy with Cardi being on it though.

Posted by: Theo. 25th April 2018, 11:07 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/subwayslut/status/987090066471358464

Absolutely dying at Cardi's tweet 🤣

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 25th April 2018, 11:26 AM

!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jonjo 25th April 2018, 10:21 PM

Amazing :')

Posted by: lewistgreen 30th April 2018, 01:52 PM

Bebe tweeted that she's in London today filming a music video. It has to be for this surely?

Posted by: JosephAvery 30th April 2018, 03:20 PM

Bebe has said on her Instagram story that she's seeing Rita, and Rita has tagged Bebe in a reply which is just her winking it's coming *.*

Posted by: UltraReputation 30th April 2018, 03:21 PM

Ready for the video to get scrapped and this to get push back again *.*

Posted by: Jonjo 30th April 2018, 03:26 PM

!!!

Omg. Don't!

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 30th April 2018, 09:20 PM

SCREAMING

Posted by: Theo. 1st May 2018, 03:00 PM

Kaj Jefferies has directed the video. Him and Rita have posted shots on their Instagram accounts.

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 1st May 2018, 03:46 PM

Damn, gutted this has got Cardi on it. Hopefully it will have enough redeeming qualities to make it a decent track.

Posted by: Botchia 1st May 2018, 08:57 PM

I would've thought this must be getting released in the next couple of Fridays now?!

Poor Charli get snubbed to direct it when she wanted to lmao

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 1st May 2018, 11:37 PM

Why? She’s the biggest female artist around atm!

Posted by: Dexton 2nd May 2018, 12:03 PM

Shh you can’t say that, she’s pregnant

Posted by: Jay ☆ 3rd May 2018, 05:01 AM

Rumoured to be released Friday 11th May! Fingers crossed. That's the date her tour begins too.

Posted by: Theo. 4th May 2018, 02:05 PM

It's coming next Friday!!!

Posted by: JosephAvery 4th May 2018, 02:39 PM

SO READY

Posted by: Jay ☆ 4th May 2018, 03:38 PM

Yaaaas, finally!!

Posted by: Bré 4th May 2018, 03:51 PM

That is not how Scrabble works, Rita xx

Posted by: Dexton 4th May 2018, 03:59 PM

Wow! So great that “Bh”, “Ea”, “Br”, and “El” have landed such huge names for their debut!

And to think they said Infinity War Is The Most Ambitious Crossover Event In History

Posted by: Same Ol' Andrew 4th May 2018, 04:34 PM

Three of my faves and Charli, hyped for this *.*

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 5th May 2018, 07:32 PM

I've only really been able to tolerate Cardi B on her part in 'Finesse'.

I hope she's not doing her trademark awkward lisp on this.

Posted by: Botchia 6th May 2018, 06:04 PM

For the sake of getting the album, I hope Cardi helps this to do something in the US

Posted by: JosephAvery 8th May 2018, 03:15 PM

Official artwork:



I like that it's keeping with the theme of Your Song and Anywhere but the "s" is barely visible

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 8th May 2018, 06:23 PM

She's never had a UK chart hit, only Finesse which is a track she just featured on and isn't in much of the song

Posted by: danG 8th May 2018, 06:31 PM

'I Like It' is currently at #15 and she's also had top 40 hits with 'Bodak Yellow', 'Be Careful' and 'Bartier Cardi'.

Also she's currently the second biggest female artist on Spotify worldwide (behind Dua Lipa). She's a huge catch for Rita.

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 9th May 2018, 03:50 PM

Oh please!

Posted by: JosephAvery 9th May 2018, 04:47 PM

OK this has now been circulating and Rita's changed her Facebook cover photo to it too, so it seems this could be the official cover! Muuuuuch better.

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 9th May 2018, 04:50 PM

LOVE

Posted by: Jonjo 9th May 2018, 06:41 PM

Just give us the song.

Posted by: Joe. 10th May 2018, 01:44 PM

First listen I wasn't sure.

Second listen I was lightly bopping.

Third listen and it's song of the decade.



Bebe sounds terrible, Charli sounds good, Cardi snapped. I think the verses are superior to the chours but the chorus will worm its way in to everyone's head eventually.

Posted by: Cremey 10th May 2018, 01:57 PM

What’s new 🤷🏼‍♂️

Has it changed a lot since the big weekend performance?

Posted by: Liаm 10th May 2018, 02:14 PM

This is ok but pretty weak for the calibre of people on it. I usually don't mind Bebe but CHRIST what on earth is her verse? Perhaps this will grow but the best bit is Cardi's verse, the chorus feels flat and the Rita/Charli's bits are good enough I guess. It kinda still sounds like it's still the demo rather than a finished product of a huge pop song.

Modern Lady Marmalade this is certainly not.

Posted by: Cremey 10th May 2018, 02:38 PM

I wanted the chorus to have more PUNCH to it but apart from that I’m absolutely loving it.
Bebe sounds terrible but that’s no surprise, Charli should’ve done her bit too.

Hoping this’ll be massive.

Posted by: lotita. 10th May 2018, 02:42 PM

cancel bebe and this is a BOP

Posted by: Scene 10th May 2018, 02:50 PM

where are people listening?

Posted by: Dexton 10th May 2018, 03:15 PM

Chorus is a bit meh but the rest isn't too bad, I feel like it definitely didn't need Bebe AND Charli - one or the other would've been fine.

Posted by: LeeWallace 10th May 2018, 03:25 PM

Oh hello no

Posted by: Jonjo 10th May 2018, 04:20 PM

Oh Bebe :')

Bebe aside, I'm liking this. It's very Cher Lloyd - With Ur Love. I think it'll grow too once I've gotten over Bebe's verse :')

Posted by: Atonement 10th May 2018, 05:35 PM

I don't like it .

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 10th May 2018, 05:54 PM

Bebe ruins it

Should’ve been Rita Ora & Charli XCX ft. Cardi B

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 10th May 2018, 06:13 PM

It's no Lady Marmalade...

The chorus is awful.

It's like Hayley Kiyoko gone wrong...

Posted by: troylovesmusic 10th May 2018, 06:25 PM

Charli honestly could have just done Bebe’s part and they could have kept her off this as she sounds horrible . If Rita wanted a 4th person they could have kept Raye on it and had her instead as she was on the orginal version !

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 10th May 2018, 07:02 PM

RAYE would’ve been so much better than Bebe, but I guess she’s not big enough

Posted by: Botchia 10th May 2018, 10:20 PM

Well Bebe sounds awful on this

Everything else is more polished than the demo which is good and Cardi's bit is a great addition. I'm just pissed at Bebe......why.......

Posted by: jjake 10th May 2018, 10:29 PM

not being funny but bebe’s verse wrecks the flow/energy of the song; she sounds like a goat with trapped wind

Posted by: Botchia 10th May 2018, 10:44 PM

literally

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 10th May 2018, 10:54 PM

Catchy as hell chorus.

Posted by: HarryEzra 11th May 2018, 12:10 AM

Well I actually liked this on first listen very instant *.*

Posted by: Jüpiter 11th May 2018, 01:36 AM

Quite like this. Very obviously fishing for a US hit with it with Bebe and Cardi involved after their recent successes stateside, and that single cover that doesn't make EXPLICITLY clear that Rita, probably the least-known over there, is the lead artist.

It's no Anywhere, but I like it better than Charli's 'Boys'.

Too bad for RAYE.

Posted by: Andrew. 11th May 2018, 01:52 AM

I love Bebe’s voice on songs like Ferrari, but this just doesn’t suit her, she sounds like a Poundland Cher Lloyd in her first era Still a bop tho

Posted by: Cody💧Slayberry 11th May 2018, 04:12 AM

It’s... a diet bop, but I really did expect more from such a stacked ensemble. It sounds too 2014 Charli XCX trying to do Bang Bang, which is weird bc 2018 Charli KILLED IT.

You can tell Bebe was just phoned in for this, it really could have been just Charli on the second verse.

Posted by: Dexton 11th May 2018, 05:55 AM

I wonder if the music video will be more like Charli’s Boys or Drake’s Nice For What

Posted by: JosephAvery 11th May 2018, 07:14 AM

This is BRILLIANT, everything I wanted from it so catchy and it doesn't feel try-hard either, which it easily could. Cardi is the best feature and I'd actually say I enjoy Bebe more than Charli (who, by the end, you could almost forget was on it). Y'all are going in too hard on Bebe.

Posted by: Joe. 11th May 2018, 09:41 AM

Posted by: Jay ☆ 11th May 2018, 09:55 AM

I wish I liked this more than I did. It's catchy, sure, but I can't help but feel the talent involved could have come up with something so much better than this. Also, to me this sounds really... joyless? I don't sense anything celebratory/empowering here (which I assume is what they tried for). It's very clinical.

Very disappointing after Anywhere was that life affirming bop! I'm not against Girls being a hit because I'm always happy to see Rita doing well, but another part of me hopes this gets buried quickly so she can hopefully move on to something better.

I feel like the label has pinned hopes on this being a breakthrough moment for Rita in the US, that gives her the traction to warrant an album to eventually come out on the strength of a US hit, but I really can't see it.

Posted by: Jay ☆ 11th May 2018, 10:30 AM

Also this is very side eyes emoji~

One of the lyrics that really stuck out to me was in your opening verse: “I’m open-minded / I’m 50/50, and I’m never gonna hide it.”
[Laughs]

For you, personally, were you trying to share something with your fans about your own sexuality?
I knew people were going to look into it like that. I definitely said it because I can — and it was one of those things where, if I was 50/50…I’m not saying I’m “70/30.” … “I’m 50/50, and I’m not gonna hide it.” I’m not hiding what I am, who I am, if I wanna do this, if I wanna do that. That’s just how it’s gonna be.

For me and my career, this is definitely the most open-booked I’ve ever been, if that’s a word. I’m definitely an open book with this record, and I’m really proud of the support I’ve got with my fellow collaborators.

Would you consider yourself bisexual or fluid?
I think the way…If people look at it like that, it’s very narrow-minded, and I don’t think that’s what this record is. I don’t think that that even matters. Yeah.

http://people.com/music/rita-ora-releases-girls-bisexual-anthem/

~~~

I'd be fine if the explanation of the song's meaning was roughly: "it's about having fun, perhaps on a night out, and you kiss your female friends but not necessarily in a sexually motivated way, but celebrating friendship and showing affection". I feel that's what Rita is skirting around with her rather meaningless explanation. However the "50/50" line is blatantly going to invite questions and speculation about her sexuality, so her playing coy about that and not really offering an explanation that makes any sense is a bit "um..." to me.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th May 2018, 11:43 AM

This basically

It sounds like a Sucker demo that was barely changed for 2018

Not into it

Posted by: 152chris 11th May 2018, 11:46 AM

LOVEIT

Posted by: Liаm 11th May 2018, 12:12 PM

This is getting worse rather than better for me on repeated listens Clinical and joyless is a great way to put it Jay! It just kind of plods along.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th May 2018, 12:20 PM

Ok so this gets better the more you listen to it for me anyway and once you get past Bebe’s part lol !

Posted by: HarryEzra 11th May 2018, 02:27 PM

I love how much of an earworm the chorus is *.*

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 11th May 2018, 04:01 PM

For me it was instant displeasure

Posted by: Defaze 11th May 2018, 04:48 PM

This is horrid. The bare-ass chorus, the clunky lyrics ('Kush Lovin' takes the cake), the awful mixing -- and perhaps the most offensive of all -- Bebe's verging-on-parody vocals. That's not even taking into account the fact that the entire premise of the song is absurd and ridiculously outdated. WHO greenlit this?

Posted by: ubɹǝɯbƆ 11th May 2018, 09:36 PM

If Nicki was on this you’d be all over it

Posted by: Don 11th May 2018, 09:53 PM

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Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th May 2018, 10:41 PM

This is top 10 on US iTunes at 6 watch this be her biggest hit over there

Posted by: JosephAvery 11th May 2018, 10:45 PM

I think those above tweets are looking way too deep into this track. It's fun, it's carefree and I don't think it's even remotely damaging. We don't know Rita's sexual preferences, for all we know she *could* be bisexual. Besides, in these days, haven't we all established that sexuality is not set in stone? I don't see what's so difficult about a "straight" girl enjoying kissing other girls when drunk. Similarly, I'd say the same about a lesbian girl kissing guys when drunk. It's not that deep imo.

Posted by: Andrew. 11th May 2018, 10:49 PM

I sort of agree with what they're saying but it's a massive bop though so 💁🏽


Her comments in that interview Jay posted annoyed me tbh. She could've clarified it but gave a very wishy washy answer, obviously she doesn't have to say but with a song like this it helps

Posted by: BridgeCow 12th May 2018, 09:39 AM

Really not sure about this, feels like it's trying to be a lot more fun than it actually is

still waiting for a Gru gorls edit tho

Posted by: Jack 12th May 2018, 10:13 AM

I'm fully with Kehlani & Hayley Kiyoko - artists who actually have some sort of integrity unlike Rita, Cardi & Bebe who just want a hit. I'm surprised at Charli's inclusion, I thought better of her.

It's not like it's homophobic or anything like that but it's using kissing girls as a gag / selling point. Come on Rita, do better.

Posted by: Botchia 12th May 2018, 10:15 AM

Straight in at #33 on Spotify and #47 on the Global Top 50 *.*

Posted by: Jay ☆ 12th May 2018, 10:19 AM

Katie from MUNA is the latest artist to speak out about Girls:


https://twitter.com/whereisMUNA/status/995116793650802689/

Posted by: Jay ☆ 12th May 2018, 10:24 AM

I think this must be her best start in the Spotify era! Will be interesting to see how this holds up.

Posted by: Botchia 12th May 2018, 10:25 AM

This is how I feel. They're trying to make Girls into something it's not...

Posted by: Joe. 12th May 2018, 12:40 PM

I see both sides of the argument with Girls. I do think queer women have every right to be upset and I think it’s unfair to say they’re overreacting as a minority who have to deal with their sexuality trivialised in the media and used for the male gaze without being taken seriously.

What I don’t think we should be doing though, is policing how women express their sexuality. Personally, I always kind of saw Rita as quite a sexually open woman (I mean, she actually says she’s ‘50/50’ in the song, can we dismiss that?), probably bisexual or fluid and the same with Charli. Cardi has openly admitted having sexual relations with other women, too. So I don’t think a person needs to have openly talked about it defined their sexuality in the media to have to sing about it. People discuss all kinds of topics in songs that they wouldn’t in real life. I think because this is a bit of a trash bop and is quite on the nose it’s under fire more than would be usually. Take Harry Styles’ music for example, it’s full of bisexual subtext and is seen as art despite him not really ever having discussed it in real life. So all in all I think it’s not as black and whitely problematic as it seems, though I can certainly see why it would raise some eyebrows.

One thing I do feel confident about is that this was not made with the male gaze in mind, I feel it was certainty intended for girls and gays about freedom and open and fun.

Posted by: jjake 12th May 2018, 12:42 PM

^ erm no @botchia

if you want to put it into basic terms it’s a bunch of white male songwriters using female sexuality as a gimmick and rita ora acting as a thick accessory. a person’s sexuality isn’t there to titilate and entertain?

imagine boiz if this sort of patronising song came from a straight lad attempting to ‘mince’...

Posted by: Jay ☆ 12th May 2018, 12:54 PM

I feel like it's not for us to downplay the views of the queer women who've said that they're personally affected by this song, and are worried about it being potentially damaging with (what they consider as being) a non-progressive message. That's their truth, and they should absolutely speak out about their concerns. What they're saying holds weight, because it's their experience.

I really wouldn't agree that Kehlani/Hayley etc are twisting the lyrics into something that they're not. In fact I think they're laying out exactly what the song is saying - "let's get drunk/high and kiss girls for the hell of it" (implied by references to marijuana/alcohol, "sometimes", "just for one night"). I'd say that's a message that promotes the idea of a girl kissing a girl as being a frivolous activity, which I wouldn't say aligns itself with the presumed intention of it being a celebratory anthem for fluid sexuality.

Obviously no one should expect the four artists to implicitly state what their sexuality is, purely to justify the lyrics they're singing. At the same time though, it puts a question mark over what angle they're all coming from and what the intended meaning behind the lyrics are. All in all it makes for a problematic song with outdated themes that is probably going to offend a lot of the people it may have been intended for. A mess!

Aside from all that, I'm not totally denouncing it. I enjoy the tune, it's catchy and I'll mindlessly bop to it, I'm sure. It's just I absolutely do feel that they could have come up with better/empowering lyrics (because presumably empowerment was the intention). That could have elevated it into something special/important in 2018, as opposed to it being a trashy mess.

Posted by: JosephAvery 12th May 2018, 01:07 PM

Well for me personally, the equivalent would be something like Justin Bieber releasing a song about kissing boys when he was drunk. My reaction would be more like "lmao I hope I run into him drunk one day x" rather than feeling offended.

It's a shame that people are finding this song "damaging" and while I respect their views, it just doesn't really compute with me, in an age where sexuality is known to be fluid and so many people aren't putting labels on themselves. So many songs are about girls kissing boys or vice versa, and nobody seems to have an issue there. Going back to Rita's interview that was posted yesterday, I kinda wish she owned her stance more instead of being quite wishy-washy, but that's my only problem really. There are so many bigger issues in the LGBT than this harmless track.

Posted by: Liаm 12th May 2018, 01:38 PM

I agree with what Joe said most I think, I get that the themes could be seen as a bit eh, and I don't think it's fair for people not of that minority to say whether or not they can perceive the song in the way they have. I also think though it shouldn't be necessary for artists to be completely explicit in a Hayley Kiyoko way to be able to sing about sexuality like this, it's great that Hayley for example is like that, but like Joe said we shouldn't police it too rigorously. Having said that the way that Rita explains it in the interview makes me feels like it's just "omg I ksis girls when drunk" as a selling point for the song rather than it being an empowering feminist song like it could be. It's kind of a basic "for the gays" so-called bop (I wouldn't even call it that but the point isn't really about the personal opinion of the musicality of the song).

It also must be annoying for these openly and explicitly queer artists to be kind of left as internet/blog faves and not being so mainstream when this will probably be a hit because it has Cardi B on it I'm sure say Troye Sivan would feel the same if Justin Bieber or Charlie Puth were to do a song like this and end up getting a hit because they're more mainstream, when what queer artists are trying to do is normalise their actual authentic experiences, but they get this trashy kissing girls when drunk song instead.

Posted by: jjake 12th May 2018, 01:48 PM

but that equivalent doesn’t exist; justin hypothetically doing anything is relatable as saying, ‘well...imagine gandhi made out with katy perry” it’s pie in the sky

i actually can’t joseph....”it’s a shame” / “harmless” it’s all expression for nothing can ever offend you and why let it and that’s so anti progress...the ability to question, think and provoke is what pushes us forward as thinking, rational, thoughtful examples of people

Posted by: jjake 12th May 2018, 01:50 PM

but come on...strip it back , rita didn’t write this in anyway it’s the creation of a group of white heterosexual males!

Posted by: JosephAvery 12th May 2018, 02:10 PM

I think you've missed my point - there's a difference between having and using the ability to question, and taking issue with something that's not really worth taking an issue with. Fair enough if they have an issue with Girls but it feels very blown out of proportion in age where we're pushing forward in so many different ways when it comes to the LGBT community. Obviously I'm coming at it from a different angle to several others.

and re. my analogy, obviously it was meant hypothetically but it's on the exact same lines as a song like Girls and the lesbian / bisexual community. I don't really think it's particularly unrelatable, certainly not for me because it expresses how I would feel in a very similar situation. Not that it matters cause it's not the issue at hand!

Posted by: Dexton 12th May 2018, 02:13 PM

But at the end of the day it doesn’t make a difference who wrote the song, it’s about who’s singing it... no one will hear this on the radio and think “Wow I cant believe Klenord Raphael, Ali Tamposi, Jonny Coffer, Jordan Thorpe, Brian Lee, Andrew Wotman, and Benjamin Diehl wrote this song”. Charli & Bebe can be somewhat excused as they had no input on the songs lyrics, but even then they’ve both consciously decided to jump on it for the money & fame. Somehow Cardi’s verse about scissoring and masturbation is the most “genuine” part of the song

Posted by: blacksquare 12th May 2018, 02:14 PM

I feel like that also an issue though - they intended for it to be fun and silly but were oblivious to how it would be perceived. It really just reeks of ignorance, which is a shame considering the artists involved.

Posted by: Andrew. 12th May 2018, 02:17 PM

What is a shame is that people are using someone's opinion on a song to judge their entire personality.

Rita's interview bothers me more than the lyrics, they're not as problematic as songs like 'I Kissed A Girl' and 'Cool For The Summer' which have similar themes. I don't remember the same furore (except from Halsey ) about them?

Posted by: Botchia 12th May 2018, 02:25 PM

tbf the lyrics of "I Kissed A Girl" are pretty horrendous looking back. But then, that feels confined to history for its awful stereotypes. In the same way, Girls is very likely to be confined to history very quickly because of its careless lyrics as well.

Posted by: jjake 12th May 2018, 02:27 PM

why doesn’t it matter who wrote the song?

also it isn’t the end of the day, it’s 15:27 by my watch

Posted by: Joe. 12th May 2018, 02:46 PM

I don’t like to digress but I find I Kissed a Girl has a different narrative than this which is I GET DRUNK AND KISS GIRLS. Katy has said she’d change the lyrics now, as they’re dated 10 years on. But Katy grew up in a religious cult where she was told homosexuality was a sin. She moved to LA and found out about lots of different ideas of sexuality and met all kinds of people. I see that song as her mind opening as she experiences new temptations and the clash with her upbringing.

But then there’s UR So gay, which is GENUINELY problematic.

Posted by: Jack 12th May 2018, 02:50 PM

Didn't Charli write the song?!

Posted by: Jay ☆ 12th May 2018, 03:23 PM

No writing contribution from Charli or Bebe, but Rita and Cardi have credits alongside 7 other writers (one being Ali Tamposi, while the other six writers are men).

The fact it took 9 people to come up with this song...

Posted by: Jack 12th May 2018, 03:26 PM

Oh for some reason I thought Charli wrote it I can't even hear her in the song tbh.

Posted by: Joe. 12th May 2018, 03:40 PM

I did read that Ali Tamposi was the lead writer on this, I’m struggling to find the link though.

Posted by: lotita. 12th May 2018, 03:43 PM

as the first WOMAN to come here and add my two cents, I really love this song. Yes, certain parts can be conceived as problematic but i truly get the free feel of it. And this is coming from the type of girl exactly who this song is about x

Posted by: Jüpiter 12th May 2018, 04:48 PM

Hated I Kissed A Girl at the time. "It's not what good girls do" afterall

Posted by: Joe. 12th May 2018, 05:04 PM

Yes, and ‘it felt so wrong’. Both are a bit ...eek. But I take it in the context that that’s what she’s been taught all her life in her crazy religion.

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 12th May 2018, 09:38 PM

I genuinely love this song a lot and it is such a bop, I didn't really think much of the lyrics at first as I know its not that deep a song, it's really just about having fun and feeling free enough to be yourself, imo.

In saying that (and before y'all accuse me of being a sheep just bc of what my faves said, I'm not gonna boycot listening to it or go on a twitter rampage about how insensitive the song is) I do see their point v clearly but I also think its unfair to kinda invalidate that way of experiencing sexuality. I disagree with Hayley saying it's about only kissing other girls for the sake of straight men's gaze. So what if she or whoever only kisses girls when they're drinking? It doesn't mean every girl who likes girls can only express that when they're drunk, it's a lot to pile on one song.

However, there is a massive problem with how same sex relationships between women are portrayed in mainstream music. Like think about songs like I Kissed A Girl or Cool For The Summer, experimenting with girls is almost always shown as like a party trick, it's often in songs that are primarily about drinking, partying, being rebellious or whatever and sometimes it feels like an artist is only releasing music like that to be "edgy" and to get more people talking/sales and that's just not authentic.

Very rarely do wlw/mlm get real stories about same sex relationships the way straight people do, there aren't many gay love songs or breakup anthems out there which is why artists like Hayley Kiyoko and Muna or even Troye Sivan are important because they are authentic and are singing about feelings and experiences that are relatable to LGBTQ people. I think all Girls does is highlight how far away we still are to having more authentic gay music and artists in our mainstream, it doesn't mean its a bad song though or is "wrong". Kiss whoever you like, there doesn't need to be anything attached like?? No offense to Rita but she's not exactly the type of artist to carry a social issue forward and try to bat down problematic things the way Hayley or Muna might with their music, which is fine, not every song about same sex love has to be revolutionary to LGBTQ people, its just she's not helping matters which is unfortunate...

It is a fine line though as I do also realise, as a bi girl myself, it does play into some stigmas surrounding my own sexuality. I've once told someone I was bi before and got "oh I'm bi too, I have kissed a few girls when I've been really drunk before" as a reply and that I disagree with as it's not really the same if you're only doing it because you're drunk/for a laugh (which is how I think Hayley Kiyoko has interpreted this song) and not because you're attracted to another girl. Idk its kinda messy, I'm glad people have pointed out the negative trend with these kind of songs but I don't think Rita and everyone else's sexuality should be questioned as a way of determining how "valid" the song is, it's not fair to judge someone elses experience from a few lyrics in a song. Its just an example of ignorance really, Rita should probably have known better than to get a bunch of dudes to help write something like this with her though :')

Posted by: KWEEN_DEE 13th May 2018, 09:50 AM

I think this debate is ridiculous. I don’t recall any issues with Katy’s track or Demi’s so I don’t really see why the PC police are jumping on this track. It’s a catchy, harmless pop song about experimentation. Simple as.

Posted by: ElectroBoy 13th May 2018, 10:43 AM

Time's have changed

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 13th May 2018, 10:47 AM

Maybe she could have saved it!

Posted by: Joe. 13th May 2018, 11:20 AM

I hate when people have a go at the ‘PC police’, as if calling out things that might be harmful is a bad thing? Nobody is saying that we can’t enjoy the song...I’m still bopping, but we’re just discussing which lyrics have raised eyebrows... So unless you’re a queer woman you don’t really get to decide if it’s offensive or not?

Posted by: Jack 13th May 2018, 11:22 AM

Completely agree with this. Can't stand it when someone uses the defence of 'things being too PC' or people being 'easily offended'. I can enjoy it as a song, but like you say, the lyrics are just a bit questionable and I expected better.

Posted by: Klaus 13th May 2018, 11:32 AM

I do understand where some points are coming from, and I think it’s mostly strengthened by the fact its written by all males, but I don’t necessarily agree with them. For me, it’s just another contradiction where people are saying that people’s sexuality can be fluid yet also still trying to stick labels on people (aka saying Rita is not actually bi). I think the points would hold more validity if she was going on about how wrong it was etc

Posted by: The Snake 🐍 13th May 2018, 12:06 PM

TaTu- All The Things She Said too... Although it is a bop.

Posted by: liamk97 13th May 2018, 12:44 PM

The sound of the verses sound familiar, slightly 'Blank Space' in the melody maybe?

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 13th May 2018, 01:46 PM

Its not about it being offesive, it's about what message it could portray. You're 100% welcome to say its just a catchy pop song about experimentation but just because that's how you see it, it doesn't mean that's totally accurate and anyone who sees it as something negative is wrong. It is iffy lyrically, you can't deny that really but like everyone commenting in here aren't queer women like Joe said so you really can't sit there and basically say that queer women who aren't comfortable with its message are ridiculous. It's not an issue that most of you are exposed to, that sort of representation isn't going to be something you identify with. Its just tiring to hear the same surface level themes surrounding female sexuality is all.

Posted by: Cameron 13th May 2018, 07:51 PM

This isn't exactly groundbreaking is it?

Posted by: Lee_J11 14th May 2018, 01:50 PM

I really think this could severely underperform and I, for one, am glad.

The message is beyond BLEH. I'd maybe consider be more forgiving if it was actually a decent bop but its not even that. After Anywhere, she's really ruined all momentum she had going for her. Shame really.

Posted by: Cremey 14th May 2018, 01:58 PM

I hope it doesn’t underperform, I love it so much.
So infectious.

Posted by: JosephAvery 14th May 2018, 04:16 PM

It's #18 in the mids, I think it's doing just fine for now

Posted by: Andrew. 14th May 2018, 04:27 PM

Okay this is the song of the year.

Posted by: mdh 14th May 2018, 05:56 PM

This is absolutely horrendous, what a mess

edit- why? piss poor attempt at making an empowering anthem, generic as f*** trap beat, far too much going on at once, complete throwaway features except from Charli who improves the song, proper dodgy lyrics
edit- it sounds like she's REALLY trying to be Charli and failing miserably

Posted by: Joe. 14th May 2018, 06:09 PM

Rita has come out as bisexual.

Really pleased by for her but also feel a little sad that she may have felt forced to do it because of the backlash.

Posted by: Theo. 14th May 2018, 06:28 PM

It's really sad how her coming out has been reported. Most headlines are stating that she is apologising for the song - are we as a society so against normal that we have to apologise for expressing ourselves through art?

I'm happy for her and I hope she's coping with this.

Posted by: liamk97 14th May 2018, 06:42 PM

Yeah, that's quite sad that it would appear she's been 'forced' to do this and to even put a label on her sexuality if she was happy not doing so.

Posted by: Botchia 14th May 2018, 07:00 PM

Also echoing that I'm pleased for her but it's ridiculous she has felt forced into explicitly coming out to justify the song.

All the headlines are 'Rita comes out but apologies for Girls'...I mean it's kinda sad.

Posted by: Jüpiter 14th May 2018, 07:11 PM

Did you have lesbian friends at the time? Adults especially. There was people not happy at the time with Katy. Demi I can't say on because I missed that song a bit at the time. But it's not like any of the three are the first woman (or act at all!) to play up bisexuality or "bisexuality"/openness to experimentation as a shock tactic and marketing tactic.

Posted by: Jüpiter 14th May 2018, 07:13 PM

As for the coming out thing, are we really getting a bee in our bonnet when a woman releases a song about kissing girls and then comes out as bisexual? Wasn't that ALWAYS a pretty clear cut thing that might be asked of you if you released that song as that person? Like, the first question that might come up?

Posted by: Cqmerqn 14th May 2018, 07:20 PM

This won’t do anywhere as good as Anywhere chart wise, but good on her for coming out, even if it was forced.

Stupid Kehlani

Posted by: liamk97 14th May 2018, 07:27 PM

It's the fact it's attached to an apology which makes it seem like she's been made to announce it as a way of justifying the song.

Posted by: HausofTroye 14th May 2018, 09:11 PM

I agree with Jupiter - releasing this song and then having to "apologise" for it and come out as bisexual at the same time because others have reacted to it.. I am so confused, especially with her interview posted earlier. Is she bisexual? Does she just like to frolic with girls when drunk? Is it none of the above and she didn't even know the song was being written for her, she just blindly sings the song without any context? Was it just a song given to her in an attempt to get a hit and now she's attaching all this multi-layered meaning to it when it really isn't there and it's just a throwaway song? I have never been so confused about my feelings towards a song (and the most confusing part is the fact I am trying to formulate some sort of response when I don't really care about the song musically).

It's fun enough, cute and catchy but *in this song* to me she comes across as clueless to LGBT culture and is just latching onto it in a bid to get a hit and i'm sorry if that comes across as overly harsh, it's just my feelings and they are probably not warranted. For someone who is "attempting" to offer this song as some sort of bisexual anthem, she has gone about it in such a misguided way which makes it all seem very manufactured with her being the face of it and thus having to defend it.

Posted by: Jay ☆ 14th May 2018, 09:41 PM

I don't think it's right to interpret that statement as Rita Ora saying she is bisexual. Yes, she's saying she's had romantic relationships with both genders, and the song lyrics are obviously about same-sex dalliances. However, "bisexual" is still not a definition that she has placed upon herself at any point (which is her right, of course). Therefore I don't see either the song or the statement as being a "coming out" - and far less a forced coming out.

Her statement still deftly side-steps actually acknowledging what it was that people took issue with, with the songs lyrics, and what they can be seen to represent. She owns the lyrics as her experience, and that's fine... but beyond "sorry that how I expressed myself offended anyone" she hasn't addressed or acknowledged why there's been issues with the lyrical content. And that's the crux of this issue.

So for this to suddenly twist into an "I feel so bad for Rita for being forced to come out" I feel is pretty spectacular case of the point being missed and detracts from what this was all about - the problematic, tone-deaf nature of the lyrics as a piece of work, separate from "Rita's truth", but how they can be perceived (as non-progressive). That's all Hayley etc were getting at. I think it's gross that stans are now coming for Hayley and accusing her of having "forced Rita to come out".

Posted by: TomboOnBroadway 14th May 2018, 10:49 PM

I'm happy that she has been open and honest with us all, the song is not good though, not even just cos some people find some lyrics problematic, it is just not enjoyable to listen to.

Posted by: Jonjo 15th May 2018, 12:43 AM

When did pop become so serious and literal?

I'm confused about everything tbh. What's the actual problem that it's supposed to be? Is it coz of the lyric "red wine"? Genuine question, I'm honestly lost with it all and I just saw the lyric video for the first time to try and see where the issues may lie, but unless I'm interpreting it all incorrectly (quite possible) I don't see/hear anything that's made this worth blowing up the way it has?

I really do feel like it's been blown considerably out of proportion. The song is quite clear in it's message I feel? Like, isn't it obvious it's about a first encounter/one of the very first times with another woman/experimenting with someone of the same sex?

Everyone's first time is completely different and I'd be willing to bet that more often than not, a lot of sexual identities/experimentation start out "with a drunken kiss" or whatever as alcohol really changes comfort levels. Which brings me to Hayley's post as I feel it's very "my way of experiencing things is the only way it happens". Like, you don't need red wine to love another woman? Great. But some people do start that way and I'd be surprised if a lot of bisexual and gay stories didn't start out that way/as a drunken fling, which led to more etc..

Is that just a really naïve way of looking at things?

P.s. my post honestly isn't intended to offend, so apologies if it has, I'm just trying to find out all the issues with the song that has seemingly made it into such a big deal - despite it being a year old now (I've been away all weekend so not really had time to process or look things up properly)

Oh and this is nothing to do with Rita's apology and her supposedly coming out. I don't think it's fair that Rita stans seem to be attacking Hayley and saying she "forced Rita to come out" as I didn't get that from it at all.

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As for my opinion on the song, I'm loving it more and more. It's such a good, fun pop song.

Posted by: jjake 15th May 2018, 02:49 AM

how exactly has she been forced to come out as bisexual? she’s just deliberately released a cack-handed stereotypical song about ermmm being bisexual?!

i’m really flummoxed; muna/hayley/kehlani started this convo really...is it their fault she’s been FORCED out? you write something ppl find offensive and they will talk; there’s a lot of well reasoned argument online as to why ppl take such an issue with this (this pj post breaks things down lyrically quite well: http://forum.popjustice.com/threads/rita-ora-second-album.32437/page-484#post-6161597 )

Posted by: Cody💧Slayberry 15th May 2018, 05:57 AM

I do see how the song is essentially queerbaiting and the lyrics should be in question but at the same time I’m with Jonjo on this. Sexual fluidity has been lauded and celebrated (and rightfully so) but when a heterosexual someone tries to portray that in art, it’s all of a sudden taboo.

If there is anyone to blame for this mentality it’s the trigger happy stan Twitter community for making this an ungodly mess.

Posted by: Cqmerqn 15th May 2018, 04:53 PM

The song is a little bit shit tho tbh :/

Posted by: HausofTroye 15th May 2018, 07:06 PM

Old homophobic tweets from Rita and Cardi being dug up they probably weren't drinking red wine when tweeting them back then?

(I am trolling (maybe))

Posted by: Jonjo 15th May 2018, 07:12 PM

"You can't use tweets from years ago against them, things are different and people change" etc...

Posted by: Cody💧Slayberry 16th May 2018, 12:15 AM

when they were yelling at the Rita stans for digging up Hayley’s racists tweets from years ago too...

Posted by: Jay ☆ 16th May 2018, 02:34 AM

Rita allegedly said this on stage last night: "I wrote this song as a celebration, if people can’t see that it’s their problem."

Posted by: HausofTroye 16th May 2018, 06:25 AM

Very celebratory remark to make!

Posted by: jjake 16th May 2018, 09:29 PM

there are a lot of pieces in various online platforms / newspapers written by gay men defending rita and doing so really poorly (an awful piece tried to make a comparison between this entire song and a passing lyric in a little known harry styles track? ‘gaybaiting’ i think not...)

i get why a lot of the opinions on this have come from gay men (this is rita’s core/most loyal fanbase) but this is a song that speaks and resonates to another section of the LGBTQ+ spectrum in a really significant way.

there was a good opinion piece in the guardian from a non-hetro woman:

https://www.theguardian.com/society/commentisfree/2018/may/15/rita-ora-girls-got-bisexual-women-all-wrong?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Posted by: jjake 16th May 2018, 09:39 PM

also rita’s comments from that gig if true are very tone deaf to fit with a very tone deaf song clearly sung by a tone deaf woman who seems to be totally unable to comprehend/respond/engage with criticism that has been thrown in her direction.

Posted by: Theo. 18th May 2018, 04:09 PM

Enters the chart at #22 today.

I expected a top twenty debut so I'm kinda shocked - it's her first single since "Coming Home" to debut outside although that climbed up to #15 from outside the top 40. I don't think this will go top ten now unfortunately, the whole release strategy seems really messy and I imagine they're rethinking the music video due to the backlash.

Posted by: Cqmerqn 18th May 2018, 04:51 PM

With a name like Cardi B on it I was really expecting a top 10 debut. Top 15 at least!

I guess it’s the controversy that stopped it from debuting high.

Posted by: Andrew. 18th May 2018, 06:58 PM

I love the song but maybe a lot of it is to do with the GP not liking it? Everyone I know who has heard the song doesn't like it, obviously a pool of like 5 people doesn't matter much but the reception online also has been very mixed

Posted by: ElectroBoy 18th May 2018, 07:45 PM

Surely Cardi B is much more for the American audience than the UK - she's not exactly setting the UK charts on fire. She got hype sure but thats about it.

The song is poor and the 22 debut for someone like Rita reflects that. The record company must be worried to reduce to 59p on the second week of release too. Wouldn't surprise me if the song was abandoned and another song is pushed in a few weeks time

Posted by: Cqmerqn 18th May 2018, 08:20 PM

True.

I’m not a fan of the song. It’s very poor and this is coming from a Rita and Cardi B stan.

Posted by: LeeWallace 18th May 2018, 11:04 PM

The music video needs to be released soon.

It's still #22 on iTunes despite the reduction and slowly starting to fall down playlists on Spotify, I think with the artists on the single, the song itself should be performing better especially in the UK considering the instant airplay and the success of 'Your Song', 'Anywhere' and 'For You'.

Posted by: HausofTroye 19th May 2018, 08:50 AM

Most reactions I have seen (particularly searching on Twitter) are saying that Cardi B, who has only very recently made homophobic and transphobic remarks, being on a song that is apparently lgbt friendly doesn't sit right with them so I'm not sure why her name alone warrants this being a big hit

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 19th May 2018, 11:19 AM

I don't think shes been forced out like the opening lyrics are clear enough without having to make a statement anyway. I'm happy for her and it's always great to have another voice as bisexuality is something that is highly misunderstood at times. It is sad though that people did attack her and the other artists on how "real" their attraction towards girls is which is the part thats out of line, everyone has different experiences with sexuality, who is anyone to judge on who fits what label? Its gross. If Rita feels she is bisexual then she ks bisexual, it is as simple as that. As iffy as the lyrics are, you can tell they weren't written to offend so it does suck that she's felt she had to appologise for writing lyrics personal to her. Tbh its more the other verses by Charli/Bebe/Cardi that are problematic lyrically anyway imo

Posted by: Jonjo 19th May 2018, 09:40 PM

I agree and you have worded what I've wanted to say for a while, perfectly.

Posted by: Theo. 22nd May 2018, 11:42 AM

This has debuted at #3 on the Bubbling Under Hot 100. I hope for Rita's own sake that it eventually achieves a decent position on the main chart.

Posted by: Jay ☆ 22nd May 2018, 02:06 PM

I guess its main chance to enter in the Hot 100 will be thanks to the music video! Beyond that, I struggle to see this doing particularly major things in the US, even with the Cardi B feature.

Posted by: Joe. 22nd May 2018, 02:15 PM

Her biggest hit in the US from this album!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 22nd May 2018, 03:08 PM

That must solely be down to the features, surely?

Saddening though.

Posted by: Theo. 23rd May 2018, 10:08 PM

The version we've all been waiting for...

https://twitter.com/GemmaReacts/status/999284849285484544

Posted by: Andrew. 23rd May 2018, 10:18 PM

Icon

I don't think this can be written off just yet but it's certainly underperforming atm. I still love it tbh, Cardi's verse has properly hit me and it goes OFF *.*

Posted by: Cqmerqn 23rd May 2018, 10:34 PM

Gemma Collins Remix *.*

Posted by: Botchia 23rd May 2018, 10:46 PM

Missed opportunity if the GC doesn't have a cameo in the video

Posted by: Theo. 24th May 2018, 02:38 PM

Rita's first televised performance of "Girls" is tonight on the final of Germany's Next Top Model.

Posted by: Dobbo 25th May 2018, 05:45 PM

This is really good! Much prefer this to both Your Song & Anywhere.

Posted by: Theo. 26th May 2018, 12:29 PM

Only down three spaces to #25 in the UK this week.

Posted by: Botchia 26th May 2018, 12:34 PM

She better have a BGT performance + video release lined up for this week. It's needed!

Posted by: JosephAvery 26th May 2018, 08:40 PM

BGT performance just confirmed for Wednesday !!!!!!

Posted by: Jonjo 26th May 2018, 10:21 PM

Oh my God YES!!!

*performs a Your Song/Anywhere mashup* :')

Posted by: Cqmerqn 26th May 2018, 10:49 PM

*performs RIP*

Posted by: Cqmerqn 27th May 2018, 11:57 PM

US iTunes

1229. Rita Ora - Girls

Oops! Guess they won’t bother then pushing it over there then?

Posted by: Ronald McJackson 28th May 2018, 12:04 AM

What the actual hell? 1229? OMG!

Posted by: Cqmerqn 28th May 2018, 09:15 AM

I think they should quickly move on to single 4.

Posted by: Joe. 28th May 2018, 09:20 AM

I imagine BGT will save the song a bit in the UK.

Posted by: Jack 29th May 2018, 07:55 PM

I think this might just do a 'Body On Me' tbh.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 30th May 2018, 09:00 AM

Same peak.

Posted by: Joe. 30th May 2018, 01:44 PM

Looking forward to the performance tonight! (It is tonight right?)

Posted by: Joe. 31st May 2018, 07:48 AM

Is there a video of last night's performance?

Posted by: Jonjo 31st May 2018, 07:43 PM

Good but pretty bland. She oozes so much charisma though and I think the more spontaneous and fun and carefree sort of performances suit the song much more than a big production like this. She is a STAR though.

The performance made me notice the song a bit more and I'm getting slight 'Roar' by Katy Perry vibes from the song tbh, except not as euphoric?

Seems to have given the song a boost though

Posted by: Botchia 31st May 2018, 08:10 PM

I liked the staging but I think it just felt a bit flat. It could've done with keeping Cardi's bit and having a dance break over it or something.

Nice to see it boosting the song back to #12 on iTunes. It would be perfect timing to drop the video now!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 2nd June 2018, 09:50 AM

One thing I'm struggling to get about the uproar...

People were familiar with the live performance of it for months and the lyrical content, so why did it suddenly cause an outrage when the studio version of it appeared?

Posted by: UltraReputation 5th June 2018, 09:38 PM

Video out tomorrow!

Posted by: Botchia 5th June 2018, 09:41 PM

The green screen mess is coming :s

Posted by: JosephAvery 6th June 2018, 03:13 PM

I LOVE the aesthetics of Rita's solo parts, I wish all four of them were able to film there together. Bebe's parts look *awful* and I'm not sure what they were thinking with that. The Rita/Cardi kiss will surely be making headlines!

Posted by: ebae 6th June 2018, 04:25 PM

OMG RITA KISSED CARDI  

It is a fun video

Posted by: Klaus 6th June 2018, 04:40 PM

wow, so horribly disjointed

Posted by: Joe. 6th June 2018, 05:39 PM

Charli’s part is giving me vintage horror and I love it. The rest is a bit all over the place.

Posted by: blacksquare 6th June 2018, 06:16 PM

Bebe looks like an artist that died years ago and her team let Rita use any old archived footage for the video.

Posted by: Andrew. 6th June 2018, 07:09 PM

https://twitter.com/iamcardib/status/1004426014632574982

SCREAMING at 'Charlie STD x' !!

Posted by: JosephAvery 6th June 2018, 07:10 PM

AMAZING

Posted by: Jonjo 6th June 2018, 07:44 PM

The video is really disjointed but I assume it's mean to represent the past, present and future?

Charli's parts in particular are really good (along with every part Rita is in too). In fact the only one I don't like is Bebe's parts. They're very shoe horned in, whereas they at least tried to tie the Charli and Cardi parts into it.

I like it enough though tbh.

Posted by: Botchia 6th June 2018, 08:16 PM

The Rita / Cardi kiss *.*

Yeah it's the disjointed mess I expected which is a shame. I like Rita and Charli's bits but the rest just doesn't fit well.

Posted by: Cameron 6th June 2018, 10:53 PM

The video is a mess, Rita and Cardi's parts look expensive and Bebe's is legit filmed on a Nokia brick. I wish the scenes all linked in a way. What a shambles

Posted by: troylovesmusic 7th June 2018, 07:52 AM

The video is very disjointed but tbh the only parts I don’t really like is Bebe’s part it just looks really cheap and her licking/kissing the mirror made me cringe . but the other parts of the video visually looked nice .

Posted by: Jüpiter 7th June 2018, 10:08 AM

A hot mess! Wouldn't expect any less from Rita tho tbh

Rita looks nice in her scenes although the extras aren't helping her 'lipstick lesbian' image. I see the G.U.Y. extensions are back in vogue too.

Bebe looks terrible and doesn't even look like herself which again begs the question of why she's on it at all...if it's to build her brand and profile it really doesn't achieve that. Looks like she's dressed in a Boy George castoff.

Posted by: Cqmerqn 7th June 2018, 01:47 PM

Tove Lo, Charli XCX, Icona Pop, Elliphant & ALMA is much better than this IMO. A proper girl power anthem!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 7th June 2018, 06:53 PM

This whole thing is such a dramatic decline from 'Anywhere' isn't it?

Posted by: Jay ☆ 7th June 2018, 07:37 PM

Charli's section looks quite cool, but like others have said, all the scenes put together results in something incredibly disjointed and messy looking. What even at Bebe's part?

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 14th June 2018, 09:07 PM

a lot of people are more pissed about Cardi being included because she's known to be unapologetically transphobic and homophobic. I never really listened to the lyrics of the verses until the studio version dropped either which is where the iffy parts lie.

The video is a mess and there's so much wrong with how it's been done but at least charli looks incredible

Posted by: Andrew. 14th June 2018, 09:58 PM

No she's not :') What a ridiculous comment.

Posted by: LeeWallace 14th June 2018, 10:29 PM

Charli XCX is not homophobic

She stated she wouldn’t ever go back to Uganda due to their anti gay laws and Charli plays a huge part in LGBT community!

Posted by: JosephAvery 14th June 2018, 10:42 PM

Cardi, not Charli x

Posted by: Jonjo 14th June 2018, 10:44 PM

I'm so confused. Lindsey didn't mention Charli, except to say at least she looked amazing or whatever.

Also, hasn't Cardi had tweets and things dug up with her being homophobic?

Posted by: Andrew. 14th June 2018, 10:50 PM

She defended Offset saying 'I don't vibe with queers' in a song. He said he thought it just meant weird, I'm not sure tbh but I can understand the confusion as 'queer' is widely used amongst the LGBT+ community, not just saying this because I stan Cardi She used the term 'tranny' in a joke about getting revenge on an ex which is ignorant but I wouldn't say transphobic. To say Cardi is 'unapologetically homophobic and transphobic' is ridiculous.

Posted by: LeeWallace 14th June 2018, 11:08 PM

Flop tbh

Posted by: Lindsey 🙃 14th June 2018, 11:52 PM

oh do I sense a bit of blind stanning here? but um it's not ridiculous when it's actually true...



but yea exactly this, Idk much about Cardi but it's hard for me to avoid this controversy on social media when I follow a lot of bi/lesbian girls who have been offended by this and I see so many threads and posts as to why they are and Cardi's views is an issue that's coming up time and time again. Calling someone a tranny is transphobic. It's an offensive slur, it doesn't matter if it came from a place of ignorance or not, it's still not an okay thing to say. It's not like she's only said it once either and she's often used other offensive slurs as well. She's the type of person that thinks she can get away with using slurs because she's bisexual, I've even seen tweets of her using racial slurs as well, again she probably thinks she can do this and it will be okay as a woman of colour as well. If someone is offended then they're offended, it's not for her or anyone else to say they don't have a right to feel the way they do. Afaik she hasn't appologised for any of this, hence my use of the word "unapologetically"

Queer has kinda been reclaimed by the community yes but its still used in a derogatory way by a lot of people, it's really only okay to use in certain contexts and usually by people who actually identify as being queer.

but no I defo said Cardi... I adore Charli and I know she's not the least bit homophobic, she's one person within that line up that actually has done so much for the community

Posted by: HausofTove 15th June 2018, 06:18 AM

Cardi has defended homophobic comments, has jokingly or not (lol everything she says is a joke because she's so weird and zany!!!1121) said homo/transphobic comments, she has said it is the job of the LGBT community to educate HER, she has made demoralising comments even about straight girls... she is abhorrent.

I get people liking her music (well I personally don't because I'm yet to find a song of hers i properly enjoy) but how people can defend her personality and find her hilarious and sweet just because she makes a few... odd noises here and there(??) I will never understand.

I can't wait for her 2 year stint on the charts and the jewel of the public eye to be over. Then she needs to take time off and LEARN about humanity and its complexity.

Edit: forgot her racist tweets too. Is there any community this ICON11!! hasn't offended?

Posted by: Jack 15th June 2018, 10:04 AM

Cardi is absolute trash. On Love & Hip Hop her and her trashbag of a sister jumped a girl for her getting annoyed with Cardi that her man was cheating on her with Cardi :')

There's plenty of notable references to Cardi being ignorant, homophobic and transphobic on numerous occasions. It's fine if you like her, but facts are facts and the 'joke' and 'ignorant' excuses are lame as hell.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 15th June 2018, 11:23 PM

I just wish she'd completely disappear immediately. I can't stand her, she does my head in.

Posted by: JosephAvery 12th July 2018, 09:42 PM

I know this was a bit of a misfire in the end and I see why but I'm still all over this. So anthemic and not even slightly getting old