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Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 08:10 PM

this is a mess

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 08:12 PM

I can't bring myself to watch. I really don't like the thought of Jesy getting dragged into all of Nicki's drama.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th October 2021, 08:28 PM

The live is actually really nice so far ? No drama at all and they seem to be getting on really well !

Posted by: Lunar 11th October 2021, 08:33 PM

Spoke too soon I think

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 08:34 PM

until onnika started calling Leigh a clown 😅

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 08:35 PM

I didn't watch that but Nicki is the only one clown like. I can't believe I stanned this woman so much, she's disgusting.

Posted by: Lunar 11th October 2021, 08:36 PM

omg this is uncomfortable to watch she's attacking leigh anne and jesy is laughing

Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th October 2021, 08:36 PM

Yeah I spoke way too soon

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 08:38 PM

This is so bad. Why is Nicki going off like she knows anything that's gone down between the girls over the last 10 years. You can tell Jesy doesn't agree as she's just not saying anything.

Posted by: shindymindy 11th October 2021, 08:39 PM

Nah, don’t come for Leigh.
And Jesy laughing - says it all.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 08:40 PM

For them two to try (idk I'm not watching it) to drag Leugh-Anne like that and get fans to hate on her is quite frankly disgusting. Nicki should know better of the ramifications this could have.

I would say it's more clown like to be married to a convicted rapist, support her brother who is a p****/rapist, be anti vaxx and support someone who is blackfishing. But that's just me!

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 08:43 PM

https://twitter.com/flickereilish/status/1447664098968317956?s=21

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 08:45 PM

Jesy didn’t step in and slate her, but she didn’t speak up for Leighann either so I feel like she’s going to regret that.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 08:45 PM

as expected leigh anne confronted jesy about blackfishing after sweet melody video

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 08:46 PM

Tbh yeah I'm seeing more from Nicki but for Jesy to laugh is just condoning it really.

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 08:47 PM

Why on earth did Jesy's team agree to this, its gonna be a PR nightmare.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th October 2021, 08:48 PM

Well, that should make a few people reassess their comments.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 08:48 PM

I understand and I know people will probably hate me for this but why would she? Rightly or wrongly shit has gone on between them and they’re in a bad place, as far as she knows Leigh’s been bitching about her calling her horrible etc to random influencers online.

I just can’t wait for Adele to release next week so this can all go away :’)

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 08:50 PM

jesy last week. “ i love them like sisters”. laughs at leigh anne being dragged. i honestly can’t stand either of them and this is going to backfire so hard on jesy i feel

Posted by: Slick 11th October 2021, 08:50 PM

I literally don't know how to respond to what I've just watched. I have no respect for Jesy, sitting there smirking while Nicki tore into a woman she used to call her "sister". Does she think a Nicki collab is going to make her a star? The whole thing is a mess and Jesy comes off very badly.

Posted by: Lunar 11th October 2021, 08:52 PM

she made a whole documentary about online hate/bullying but is perfectly happy to sit on a livestream, agree and literally laugh when Nicki called leigh a clown for possibly (we still don't even know the DMs are real) being offended at her blackfishing.

i'm genuinely shocked and so so disappointed.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 08:52 PM

Hasn't it come out she said all of this to her face though?! Leigh-Anne has never ever slated her publicly and has only spoke about her privately which unfortunately got leaked by someone looking for a bit of clout. There's a huge difference.

Posted by: Hayzayy 11th October 2021, 08:53 PM

Jesy is a horrible human being and a racist for refusing to undersrand the issue.
Calling Leigh Ann a clown and laughing to her face? Jesy is a total puppet. No empathy whatsoever for her, she is evil.

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 08:55 PM

100% this. She's so hypocritical! I've lost all respect for her.

I hope the girls don't even respond or acknowledge this and just focus on Between Us and being actually pleasant humans.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 08:56 PM

I’m confused, when did she call her this and when did she laugh at her face?

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 08:56 PM

You said you didn't even watch...Nicki was ranting about Leigh-Anne for a solid like 3/4 minutes and Jesy was sat there really awkward silent.

Then Nicki said that line and she laughed, you can laugh out of awkwardness and that last line was funny tbh.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 08:56 PM

She literally did none of these things...

Plus why would she be empathetic to someone DM'ing influencers to make negative videos about her?

Posted by: Mikal 11th October 2021, 08:57 PM

Yep, I’m done with Jesy. To sit and laugh at Nicki ripping into your “sister” of 10 years is disgusting. Little Mix are a trio and I hope when Jesy comes running back for a reunion tour they say no.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 08:58 PM

I think people just want to hate Jesy, she was literally silent while Nicki was saying all that.

Also Jesy brought up a valid point that Leigh/Jade never mentioned anything to her while in the band but suddenly it was an issue when her video dropped. I guess some people have selective hearing.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 08:59 PM

Not really funny and she could have interjected or spoke about it prior to not discuss Leigh-Anne. In my opinion there is a huge difference to laughing about an insult publicly to thousands of fans to sending a private message. I'm just so disappointed in her

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:01 PM

It's not funny either telling influencers to make negative videos about your 'sister' of 10 years, we've got to be fair here.

We don't know what happened behind the scenes.

Guess people are ignoring the part where Jesy seemed very emotional apologising about how people felt.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 09:01 PM

Didn't Jesy herself say Leigh-Anne spoke to her after Sweet Melody video?! So not totally true.

I get it's difficult to have the opposite opinion to everyone and I'm genuinely not trying to attack you, but can you not see where peoplea outrage are coming from even slightly?! I used to stan both Nicki annd Jesy and I get it's difficult to admit your faves do things wrong sometimes.

Posted by: Dynasty. 11th October 2021, 09:03 PM

Selective hearing? Jesy literally said Leigh anne mentioned it during the Sweet Melody video...

Posted by: shadow2009 11th October 2021, 09:05 PM

I have so much respect for Leigh messaging Jesy privately and keeping it private for a full year. That must have taken so much restraint.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 09:05 PM

It's a private message Vs laughing about it publicly. And the context of the message more alluded to "why don't you post about her blackfishing instead of dancing to her" that's how I interpreted it anyway. Everyone has a right to message people privately who they think they can trust, it's when you publicly laugh/slate someone it's a problem.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th October 2021, 09:05 PM

Embarrassing.

Jesy literally just mentioned Leigh speaking to her after the Sweet Melody video.

Responding to a private group message is also not remotely the same — no matter how naive it is.

Posted by: Lunar 11th October 2021, 09:06 PM

Obviously I can't speak for everyone, but I think most of us are just really disappointed in Jesy's behaviour - it's not about "hating Jesy". I can 100% say that I was really sad when she left and only wanted the absolute best for her, but what she's doing is just really hurtful to many people.

Also, Leigh-Anne is totally within her rights to be disappointed in Jesy for the blackfishing, ESPECIALLY if she brought it up after the SM video. We still don't have any hard proof that the DMs are real anyway? Whatever happened, there's no need to drag Leigh for it on a live with 100k viewers.

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 09:09 PM

Okay, I understand where people are coming from in here and I realise I probably look like a knob defending Jesy (I don’t agree with the blackfishing, I just think people are bandwagon jumping on every last other detail because it’s become cool to do so)…

Jesy literally didn’t laugh at a single thing Nicki said about Leigh-Anne, she sat there silent and emotionless, because she probably knew that it was gonna cause a shit storm. She laughed because Nicki started putting on an accent, as she does, and people are completely twisting the narrative again.

I wouldn’t defend or interject to talk about a friend who encouraged someone to make a negative video about me just days ago? And in the same live, Jesy spoke about how the girls defended her during her weight and how Leigh-Anne messaged her during the Sweet Melody campaign. There was no dragging from Jesy’s end.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:09 PM

You can acknowledge Jesy’s wrongdoing without taking it to the max though, surely? I don’t mean you particularly but just in general, people are calling her horrible, vile etc because she laughed at Nicki going off on one, at someone being called a clown - I’ve literally seen more rude posts on here..

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 09:11 PM

I'm sorry but to me, sitting there not saying anything is agreeing with it. Jesy must have known that all this drama was going to be brought up, so by agreeing to join the call she's contributing to the nasty messages towards Leigh-anne.

Posted by: Dynasty. 11th October 2021, 09:13 PM

Jesy sitting there laughing while Nicki Minaj is going at Leigh like that is just disgusting to be honest. That did not need to be done on a livestream full of 100 thousand people in the first place..

Very disappointing

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:14 PM

No, sitting there saying nothing is literally sitting there saying nothing.

Nicki is a spontaneous, unpredictable person (to put it lightly) so why would Jesy know she was going to go off about Leigh personally? She clearly had stuff she wanted to say about the matter.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 09:14 PM

No in the same breath I do agree with you, we can acknowledge and be disappointed in Jesy's behaviour without being nasty about her - it's not productive. Nicki however IS disgusting and doesn't even know what's going on, the back story, conversations had, anything! Just trying to get clout as usual lately, she's a grown woman and should know better, she could defend Jesy if that's what she wants to do without tearing another woman down.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 09:15 PM

jesy could have squashed it all by defending leigh anne, saying nothing is worse sometimes.

Posted by: Jord 11th October 2021, 09:16 PM

Might’ve known Nicki would’ve made everything worse on that live.

Isn’t she nearly 40 as well such an immature person constantly looking for fights and a way to kick off it’s sad because this situation has absolutely nothing to do with her whatsoever but that’s never stopped her before.

I’m definitely now siding with the other 3 LM members now. I just can’t condone Jesys behaviour anymore and I think she’s really going to come to regret her actions. I get why she left the group I really do but the change in her is sad to see I’m sad at how it’s turned like this but Jesys actions now are making her out to be so different to the popular funny NTA award winning girl who went through hell. Her team as well really do need to do something. I fear Jesys surrounded by yes people at the minute who tell her what she wants to hear for her own good they need to stop her making herself look even worse before it really does spiral. But yeah that live should’ve just been a nice positive Q&A for the fans celebrating her debut single release no need to mention anything else and I doubt Nicki knows much of the situation at all for her to speak as if she knows the story she probably won’t even speak to Jesy once Boyz promo dies down.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th October 2021, 09:18 PM

Agree with this

I think people are so quick to paint Jesy as a villain when she imo didn’t say anything wrong . When Nicki was going off she sat there pretty much silent with no expression majority of the time . She only started laughing when Nicki started putting on voices/accents and it came across as an awkward laugh more than anything . Yeah maybe she could have spoke up a bit and defend but cause of the situation and the alleged messages from Leigh Anne I can’t really say I blame her to not rushing to defend her .

And this is not me picking a side as I love them both it’s a shame this is happening in the first place really.

Posted by: Jαsє 11th October 2021, 09:19 PM

The way she sat there sniggering...wtf

Gutted. I'm absolutely gutted things are ending this way after the countless years of memories.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:20 PM

Exactly all of this. Why would she defend someone she's not friends with and asking viral social media influencers to make negative videos about her? You people bashing Jesy would not do this if it was the other way round.

Imagine if Jesy did what Leigh did, you'd call her satan.

You literally could feel how uncomfortable was while Nicki was saying all that.

Also this is a point:

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 09:21 PM

Nicki really shouldn’t be interjecting on issues she has no past history or knowledge about and it’s obviously going to look horrendous on Jesy to be associated with that though. This live was such a bad idea and was always going to go that way, it was literally the only reason I watched because I knew it was going to be a car crash.

And well… here we are.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:22 PM

If you actually watched the whole thing Nicki was going on about it for like 3-4 minutes and Jesy was totally silent until Nicki said that shove it line, even I laughed because it was funny, whether okay or not to have been said it was funny.

Also people better not come for me for saying that, when a lot of people here and online have been laughing at things/memes about Jesy that are not appropriate.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:22 PM

The first 3/4s were so funny and good until Nicki brought up Leigh

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:24 PM

Why would she defend someone who is not even her friend and is reaching out to social media influencers asking them to make negative videos about her?

Would you defend her? I really don't think you would...

Posted by: jsweetxe 11th October 2021, 09:24 PM

f*ck jesy. I hope she flops and fades into obscurity. not long now!

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 09:24 PM

I don't think anyone here is calling Jesy a villain or bashing her. We're just disappointed that she's working with someone who so freely hates on Leigh-Anne without even knowing her or the situation. Especially when she made a documentary about online bullying and mental health.

Posted by: Lukuzz 11th October 2021, 09:25 PM

Jesy and Nicki are so messy. It’s clear who the genuine nice people in all this are and it certainly isn’t them.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:25 PM

It’s mad how Leighanne does this but it’s brushed off as being naive (which is a fair opinion to make) but Jesy literally laughs for 2 seconds out of a one hour video and she is the devil incarnate.

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 09:27 PM

I think with her comments to that influencer Leigh had just had enough and didn't want people supporting Jesy when they had fallen out. I don't believe she actually wanted the person to make a video about the black fishing, she was just showing that there was other issues going on.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th October 2021, 09:28 PM

But she's only a thirty-year-old NTA award-winning mental health advocate! Anyway, she was laughing at Nicki's accent and not the content of what she was saying! What else could she have done?

The lengths people will go to defend indefensible behaviour because they stan someone. I had all the time for Jesy after her documentary and continuously defended her on here when she left the band citing her mental health — but that doesn't protect her from warranted criticism.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:29 PM

I'm sorry but she was literally suggesting he made a video, knowing that is what he does for a living...she was clearly doing that to get people to hate on Jesy.

I love Leigh but i'm so disappointed and I do have to call her out for it, as it is not okay. Imagine the absolute LASHINGS you guys would have gave Jesy if she did that messaging influencers saying 'they are such horrible people, they cut me off '.

Posted by: Lunar 11th October 2021, 09:29 PM

a reminder that we still don't even know the messages are 100% real, and why isn't leigh-anne well within her rights, as a black woman, to be disappointed by jesy blackfishing?

also i 100% agree that some comments about jesy have been vile, and that's in no way acceptable, but neither is sitting on a live while Nicki was literally verbally attacking Leigh for minutes. for me and many others, it's not about jesy it's about her behaviour. i'm just really, really disappointed.

Posted by: Jαsє 11th October 2021, 09:30 PM

It was mean-spirited bullshit spouted by an awfully ignorant woman. Funny? Nah.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 09:32 PM

Exactly, and yes okay Nicki is unpredictable but this live was planned. She could easily have said "let's not discuss the other girls". They certainly haven't, except a private message, which we have ALL done.

What I'm disappointed in and upset in is that Leigh-Anne will get so many hateful comments on the back of this from Nicki's fanbase who are v toxic btw. I don't see a nasty person, we all have our breaking points in messaging people, and I really hope she just continues to thrive because what I see is a genuine, lovely and talented girl from watching her documentary.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:32 PM

This is absolutely what I mean by performative outrage, because surely you really don’t think Jesy laughing at Nicki making those accents is indefensible?

You can patronise people for having a different opinion from you but I’m not going to buy into the level of hysteria on the internet just because it’s making noise.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:34 PM

What do you mean we don’t know they’re real? I’m not sure if you watched NoHun’s live but like it was as real as can be, it wasn’t a planned expose it was in response to someone’s comment. He was on live for a while before it even unfolded

Posted by: blacksquare 11th October 2021, 09:35 PM

No, I'm calling it a convenient excuse. She wasn't laughing at Leigh-Anne, she was only laughing at Nicki's accent. It's trite.

Posted by: Court 11th October 2021, 09:36 PM

Jesy is a grown woman. If she had any problem with what Nicki was saying, she could say something about it or get off the live. She clearly didn’t and so whether she was laughing at what Nicki was saying or her accents it doesn’t matter.

She also confirmed that Leigh Anne messaged her about this after the Sweet Melody video so the whole idea that this was brand new when the interviewer asked her about it is bogus which leads me to believe a lot of her narrative is made up to serve her well.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:36 PM

She literally did though? Jesy sat in silence for the majority of it and only laughed when Nicki started doing accents.

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 09:40 PM

I think Leigh-Anne is an amazing woman and I hate that this is happening so soon after she’s become a mother. I just have a hard time feeling like I have to come down on Jesy because of it. They’re two friends who have clearly fallen out, haven’t we all had that in life?

Because they’re two public figures and this is all playing out in public, we feel like we have to pick sides and go JESY IS AWFUL FOR THIS or LEIGH ANNE SHOUKD DO BETTER. But to me, I think both sides have human reactions. Leigh-Anne vented about an old friend with bitchy DM’s, Jesy didn’t defend her ex friend over these messages… and I think both of those responses would happen in an every day argument. I’d do the same.

So this is where I’m leaning towards thinking people are just mad about everything Jesy’s doing now. The blackfishing is wrong and it needs to stop, but her not defending an old friend is just a normal reaction?

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:42 PM

All of this, couldn't have said it better and very unbiased.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:44 PM

This is exactly how I feel in all honesty. There is no denying Jesy’s blackfishing nor defending it in my opinion, but I am not okay with jumping on a band wagon that comes for someone for every little thing they do.

Posted by: Jamesy 11th October 2021, 09:44 PM

Very clear that some people will just defend Jesy to the end and it’s shocking to see to be honest.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 11th October 2021, 09:47 PM

The dm’s are not reliable, the most important parts have purposely been cut out.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 09:47 PM

I don’t understand this though. Nobody is defending Jesy blackfishing or denying she has made mistakes?

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 09:52 PM

I’m pretty sure, even just for PR sake, either Leigh-Anne or someone in her family/team would’ve come out by now and denied it if it weren’t true. I don’t think I’ve seen any sense of that. I know all of the girls are steering clear from mentioning anything at all publicly but I’ve seen nothing to suggest they’re fabricated.

Posted by: 365 11th October 2021, 09:52 PM

The live made me deeply uncomfortable.

Posted by: ThePensmith 11th October 2021, 09:54 PM

This is having terrible "eyes through cracks of fingers" memories of when Jo O'Meara was on Celebrity Big Brother. As an S Club fan that was galling to view the ugly behaviour of Jo and see the subsequent fallout.

As a Little Mix fan, and especially like many believing that she'd left to put her mental health and wellbeing first, seeing Jesy engage in this sort of unsavoury behaviour is deeply disappointing.

Whoever is in charge of her PR and management at the moment needs to do some monumental damage control and she needs to promptly disappear and do some serious thinking about what she's doing.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:55 PM

I could literally see and feel how uncomfortable Jesy was when Leigh was brought up.

However, i'm really glad she apologised to people and said she really didn't intend for people to feel offended, you could tell that was genuine - but people want to ignore that as it doesn't fit their narrative of Jesy.

I'm also glad she addressed nothing was said over 9 years and only until recently.

I do not condone Nicki saying that mean stuff about Leigh but she did have some points about being silent for so long and only recently coming out with it and messaging influencers to post things.

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 09:56 PM

It annoys me how people agree that it’s bad that Jesy black fishes but then compare it to Leigh sending an annoyed message to a fan when there clearly not comparable.

Leigh has had to deal with so much in the music industry just because of the colour of her skin. The fact that Jesy doesn’t understand this and appropriates black traits whenever she feels like it through the black fishing and the lyrics and visuals in the Boyz video, must be so frustrating and upsetting for Leigh. Especially as they were all so close for so long.

Yes Leigh probably shouldn’t have sent those messages but I can’t totally understand why she did.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 09:58 PM

She literally did nothing? You guys should be glad she didn't say anything horrible about the girls.

She kept silent the whole time Nicki was ranting and at the end apologised for her actions and how it may have offended people.

She shouldn't disappear because some people have rose tinted glasses and she's the 'villain', yes Jesy has done some things wrong with tanning etc but she did absolutely nothing wrong in this live at all.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 11th October 2021, 10:00 PM

I agree with all of this summed it up perfectly.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 10:03 PM

Exactly. I know this is off topic but it makes me so mad that she has appropriated the culture, having a song about "bad boys" and only having black men in the video?! Glanourising "the hood" - it is so so much deeper than a tan. If she loves black culture so much then promote and lift up.black women and artists - JoJo for example is a white woman and has love for the genre and culture but has not once done anything to appropriate said culture, she is always promoting other black female artists as well too.

If she loves it that much, then do that, don't just release a song and video that is appropriating the culture,when so many black female artists fail to do well in the UK (Ray BLK, Mahalia, Raye, Bree Runway continue to release all absolute excellent r&b/hip hop songs for example).

I just think it's important to educate ourselves, understand that why some people are offended and upset and how deep it really goes rather than just brushing it off as ignorance or using mental health as an excuse.

Posted by: kye 11th October 2021, 10:04 PM

if anyone thinks orchestrating and being implicit in the character assassination of a person that she, at one time, thought of as a sister is “doing nothing” then you’re absolutely wrong.

could jesy have guessed that nicki was going to go that hard? who knows. but did she just turn up unexpectedly to a nicki’s live + this just happened? absolutely not. the topics were clear, they knew they were going to talk about this. jesy sat there + acted like her hands were clean. it was so disgusting.

Posted by: Yousee 11th October 2021, 10:06 PM

Jesy said Leigh-Anne texted her about it after Sweet Melody video. In her own words "after the last video we did together".
Blackfishing is still something new to people. I doubt that five years ago, Leigh-Anne herself thought it was a problem!

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 10:08 PM

This can be a topic where we discuss the recent instagram live in order to prevent other threads from being off topic.

Posted by: blacksquare 11th October 2021, 10:08 PM

Thank you for this. I don't know what to say anymore.

People are trivialising an important issue and twisting this all into something else rather than appropriation being validly (and finally) criticised.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 10:12 PM

I completely agree with that and as far as I know I don’t think anyone else is disputing this. She tried to explain the video in the live I’m not sure if you watched that bit and although I hear what she’s saying it should never have been made at all.

Posted by: Yousee 11th October 2021, 10:12 PM

Nicki Minaj is just a disgusting person. Honestly pathetic and shameless!
Watching that video, Jesy did not look comfortable throughout. It felt like she was in a video session with her boss! I don't know, it felt so uncomfortable to watch.
This live video should never have happened, or maybe decided on some no-go areas. But I guess that was the whole point.

Posted by: 365 11th October 2021, 10:21 PM

I've been a big defender of Jesy over the year but something that live made me lose the last bit of respect I have for her.

Posted by: 365 11th October 2021, 10:24 PM

Jesy laughing in any way while Nicki ranted in such a nasty way about her band mates who had probably nicely called her up on blackfishing is just... nah

Posted by: jsweetxe 11th October 2021, 10:24 PM

same. I’m sure we’ve literally all seen it on this forum, I was defending her to the death but I absolutely despise this woman now.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 10:25 PM

Out of curiosity what did you expect her to do? Surely not stick up for someone who's she's clearly not friends with and someone who may be messaging people to make negative videos from her?

I really ask that respectfully and not in a shady way. I think she handled it well, she didn't say anything negative about the girls. Yeah she laughed but it was funny and an awkward situation, she did well being quiet for the whole 5+ minutes Nicki was ranting.

Posted by: No Sleeep 11th October 2021, 10:26 PM

I can’t defend Jesy anymore… what the hell. I couldn’t believe what I was listening to

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 10:28 PM

Even if they're not close friends anymore, they were still in the band together for nearly 10 years. In all the interviews Jesy has been doing, she has called them her "sisters". If they truly were, she would have defended Leigh.

It truly baffles me how they went from seeming like best friends to this. I really don't understand Jesy's thought process behind all of this.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 10:31 PM

It’s baffling how it’s come to this really. I’m sure there is right and wrong on both parts at some point but it is just disappointing that a group based on friendship has come to this, regardless of what it’s about. I hope the single charts and Jesy can take some time away to reflect and educating.

Posted by: Muzkik85 11th October 2021, 10:31 PM

Surely nobody believes those tweets from Leigh are real? She doesn't write like that and it's also just not her vibe at all.

Jesy laughing at what Nicki said and of course giving it 'its hard for me' . I feel bad for the bullying and her struggles but she seems to have become life's eternal victim. Just own your crap. Stop making yourself a victim because you've been called out on your actions.

Posted by: Muzkik85 11th October 2021, 10:33 PM

Nicki is and always has been poison. Jesy has done herself no favors here just trying to make it seem like she's a victim.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 10:35 PM

So I could say the same to you, if they were "sisters" and in a band for 10 years why is Leigh-Anne messaging people telling them to make negative videos about Jesy?

Don't say it's fake because we'd have had them speak up by now and there's MULTIPLE videos showing they are real, the conversations were shown on lives, screen recordings, screenshots..

Posted by: Frenchie 11th October 2021, 10:42 PM

ps. I never said the messages were fake.

Posted by: 365 11th October 2021, 10:44 PM

Id like laughing say like "Awh ahah, nah no bad blood with them" or something. It wouldn't have been hard.

Posted by: Jo' 11th October 2021, 10:46 PM

Jesy is not a victim anymore. How could she do that tonight to Leigh ?
Ew, so disgusting.

Posted by: shadow2009 11th October 2021, 10:46 PM

If anything it showed how out of her depth Jesy really is. She's a 'baddie' and her and Nicki are 'so close' and she thinks she's a hood girl and tough with her bad boy dancers and P Diddy in her video and yet when it comes to a one to one interaction with Nicki she's awkward, uncomfortable, quiet and lets Nicki do all the talking. They're apparently so close that Nicki didn't even know she was in a girl group (the same group she contributed a verse for only three years ago and performed with live at an awards show).

The whole situation is just sad. She could have been celebrating the 10th anniversary with Little Mix, getting a number 1 with Sweet Melody and enjoying the success with Confetti/Heartbreak Anthem/Kiss My Uh Oh and lapping up all the goodwill and love from the industry with a Brit Award and yet she's destroyed her close friendship with the girls, made herself a laughing stock and ruined any affection the public had for her after Odd One Out.

I think she may be regretting this solo career.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 10:46 PM

I feel like if she had did that then we’d be calling her out for being disingenuous. I wish she had spoken a bit more at the time but it’s easy for us to say how we would react, when it’s likely Jesy didn’t think she was going to pop off so specifically as she did.

Posted by: shindymindy 11th October 2021, 10:46 PM

Watched the live while it was happening and was absolutely disgusted by Nicki (obvs) and Jesy.

She could easily have stepped in and said something. It’s not about being on the spot that allows her not to speak up. She’s always been able to speak her mind before.

And we all know that this live would have been arranged and agreed upon between Jesy and Nicki’s teams and they would have told them what to speak about and what not to speak about.

I was a massive fan of hers in the group, was super upset when she left and wished her well because I genuinely thought she was leaving because she wanted to look after herself. This whole episode proves that it wasn’t the case!

This was the final straw for me. She can’t come back from this.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 10:47 PM

Then people would scream at her for being a liar when that is obviously not the case...there would have been an issue whatever she said.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 10:51 PM

Completely agree with all of this, it's so I'll judged and I think she must have a lot of yes people surrounding her who don't have her best interests at heart. As disappointed as I am in her and her actions, I think she will regret all of this and it could take a huge toll for her mentally once this 15 minutes is over, because I can't see future singles doing well and she could unfortunately be left in a real vulnerable place which I worry for her. She needs to properly acknowledge EVERYTHING but I just fear it's far too late at this stage.

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 10:52 PM

Okay, now THIS I agree with wholeheartedly. I think it’s the best summary of how I felt watching Jesy during this live. It felt like she was just talking to her idol rather than some genuine bestie or new friend, and I think her staying silent for a lot of the Leigh-Anne discourse was down to her being, as you said, out of her depth and not wanting to step over someone she looks up to. That person she looks up to is just, frustratingly, very outspoken and seems to get involved in situations that don’t necessarily concern her.

I feel like Jesy will grow to regret some of the choices made in this past week, but it will probably be too late as far as the GP’s view of her is concerned.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 10:59 PM

Misha B seems to have an interesting take on this? not sure how to embed tweets but it’s on her Twitter.

Posted by: 365 11th October 2021, 10:59 PM

She literally brought up the messages from Leigh Anne calling out the blackfishing as if she was in the wrong.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 11:01 PM

Nicki posted about Leigh and it was yikes but she edited it out, I wonder if Jesy asked her to?

Posted by: Mikal 11th October 2021, 11:03 PM

Nicki is liking shit about Leigh-Anne’s husband, which is so ironic I want to f***ing scream with frustration at this woman.

Posted by: Court 11th October 2021, 11:04 PM

Jesy couldn’t open her mouth once to defend Leigh during that live but your first thought is that she asked Nicki to change her caption within minutes of it being posted? Seems unlikely.

Posted by: shadow2009 11th October 2021, 11:05 PM

What the f*** is going on!?!?

Nicki Minaj posting captions and NAMING Leigh? Liking Tweets about Leigh's husband?

??????

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 11:07 PM

The person Leigh spoke with just uploaded proof again it’s real on his stories…

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 11:07 PM

Nicki Minaj is addicted to attention, it's almost becoming Katie Hopkins like in the sense she will like, say or do anything to get attention. She should be embarrassed, she's almost 40 and a Mother.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 11th October 2021, 11:08 PM

Real or not I don't know what he hopes to gain from this. Embarrassing.

Posted by: Billy. 11th October 2021, 11:10 PM

He feels like Jesy is being unfairly targeted and felt like Leigh was inappropriate by asking him to ‘incite hate’ on her. not my words or opinions it’s just what he said in his stories afterwards.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 11:17 PM

It looks like people will blindly ignore it and continue waving the ‘I hate Jesy’ flag despite it being real.

Posted by: shadow2009 11th October 2021, 11:20 PM

What. Is. Not. Clicking?

Posted by: Mikal 11th October 2021, 11:21 PM

This is a racially charged issue. The reason I don’t care if those DMs are real or not is because I am not going to judge the reaction of a black woman who worked with her. It is not my place to judge how she reacts.

Posted by: AdamG 11th October 2021, 11:22 PM

Little Mix re-record entire discography challenge... GO!

Posted by: shindymindy 11th October 2021, 11:28 PM

You’re doing the exact thing you’re asking people not to do….
It makes no sense

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 11:29 PM

Oh god, not Nicki bringing this onto Twitter. This is getting worse and worse, I just want it to stop. Lord 😩

Posted by: AdamG 11th October 2021, 11:31 PM

It's so so sad this is what it's come down to. I'm just so disappointed. I cried when Jesy left and really wished her success but I just cannot sit and defend her. My last bit of respect has faded tonight. What a total embarrassment.

I love Leigh-Anne.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 11:31 PM

I’m not saying Jesy hasn’t done anything wrong. I can own up to that but people can’t about the Leigh-Anne situation. People make mistakes.

Posted by: Mikal 11th October 2021, 11:33 PM

Nicki is now dragging Leigh-Anne all over Twitter with pics of her and her best friend. This is a mess.

Posted by: Slayer 11th October 2021, 11:35 PM

She does have points about the best friend…

Posted by: J00prstar 11th October 2021, 11:38 PM

This is pretty much where I land too.

I feel like people/fans/whoever are going to have strong opinions about this and will spiral whatever anyone says. The live in itself is a good point for people to be reading different things from the same behaviour.

We had something like this (not the same content but in terms of fan interpretation) recently in the Drag Race fandom where one queen called another some nasty names at her own private show and fans got hold of the video and spun it out of all proportion to say it was evidence that she was a horrible demon whose every apparent kindness was fake.

Ultimately my perspective on this is that Jesy is 1) ignorant to the harm she is doing and 2) I think probably a little greedy, because execs have likely told her that if she goes with this image she can be a bigger star in America. Nicki Minaj is just stirring the pot and probably making the whole situation worse because as a POC she is telling Jesy to ignore what Leigh said.

Posted by: RobBot 11th October 2021, 11:40 PM

This is not to clear Jesy of any of the mess she is absolutely responsible for, but it’s making me sad that outside “parties” (NoHun and now Nicki) have escalated this situation so badly that it could really put a bust-up that could’ve been resolved in time into a position of no repair.

But this is getting out of hand. Jesy’s in a somewhat tough position here, either she goes against her collaborator and idol which would be quite a leap for her, or she says nothing and it seems like she doesn’t care. It’s becoming a bigger mess and the song itself is taking a huge backseat to it all at this point.

Posted by: Cameron 11th October 2021, 11:43 PM

This is absolutely disgusting!!!!!

Posted by: J00prstar 11th October 2021, 11:46 PM

I definitely think she's out of her depth. Jade and Leigh were the brains of the group.

Not to be disrespectful but keep in mind all of the girls have been in Little Mix since they were teenagers. Their experience of real life has been shifted. They had no requirement and probably not much opportunity to do further education and have relied on either their own will to learn that themselves, or to just trust those around them to make serious decisions.

A lot of celebrities, musicians etc. are pretty bad at PR, money management, even time management etc. unless they have good advice.

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 12:06 AM

Nicki setting the barbs on someone as sweet and sensitive as Leigh Anne is actually horrible and scary. I really hope she's okay.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 12th October 2021, 12:10 AM

She is unhinged and what she is doing is disgusting. I just worry for Leigh-Anne, Nicki didn't need to get involved at all - all for a bit of clout.

Posted by: Dynasty. 12th October 2021, 12:10 AM

This

The live, the tweets, the name drop in the caption (that she changed) It’s all so disgusting

Posted by: Jamesy 12th October 2021, 03:11 AM

Leigh Anne and Jade had every right to call out Jesy on the set of the Sweet Melody video if they felt that Jesy was going too far and could offend POC fans by doing what she does/did.

We do not know whether Leigh has spoke to her best friend privately so to assume she hasn’t is not a fair assumption of Leigh-Anne and her character. She may have spoken to many people, she may have only spoken to Jesy because she’s famous. We do not know. We shouldn’t call her character into question for something we can only speculate on.

We can also strongly infer that if Jesy hadn’t left, there’s a good chance we wouldn’t know that they’d even mentioned the blackfishing comments to Jesy on that day.

What we do know is this:

- Sweet Melody was a two day shoot.
- On the set of the video, Jade and Leigh-Anne felt they needed to raise Jesy’s possible blackfishing (again… as this was mentioned to Jesy in 2017/2018 also when she had her hair in braids on insta and was asked to take it down.)
- Jesy didn’t return for Day 2 of the SM shoot.
- Jesy claims it was due to the pressure of being compared to the others in the group.

Is it so far as a reach to say she disagreed so much with the blackfishing comment from Jade and Leigh that she left because of it?

Going back to tonight’s events, irrespective of what Jesy’s feelings are towards Leigh and vice versus. In a public domain such as that, Jesy (who by her own admission is an advocate for not trolling on social media) should have intervened. I appreciate Leigh isn’t entirely innocent after her DM’s but at least they were private and to someone she thought was a friend. In public, she, Jade and Perrie have been nothing but dignified and polite towards Jesy wishing her well - irrespective of what was going on behind the scenes, they still did it.

It is very telling that when Jesy was asked about the racism Leigh was encountering all Jesy had to say was, “she deals with it better than I dealt [with the bullying.]” In no way is that supportive and that speaks volumes towards Jesy’s attitude and mind frame generally but also her feelings towards Leigh, especially given that Leigh was nothing but supportive over Jesy’s documentary.

It isn’t unfair or unjust to say that Jesy is now coming across as “I want to do what I want and if not, you’re bullying me and I’m the victim,” and it isn’t a good look on her at all.

It’s all very interesting actually because there were loads of internet rumours around the Get Weird era that suggested Leigh and Jesy didn’t get on… but I don’t think anyone could have predicted this mess.

Posted by: tommie 12th October 2021, 03:20 AM

You know the phrase "when you're in a hole, the first thing to do is to stop digging"? Yeah, this is pretty much what this is. It was never a good idea to bring a notorious attention-seeker like Nicki into this.

Posted by: Hayzayy 12th October 2021, 05:03 AM

Jesy The Clown makes me physically sick. Get your 5 mins of fame and tomorrow you will be invisible. Horrible human being.

Posted by: Chemistry 12th October 2021, 06:58 AM

I don't think Jesy is a bad person, to me it seems she just isn't in a good place and has the wrong people/ management around her and, this may sound harsh, but I also don't think she is very smart or intelligent . Especially after everything she has been through, why did no one tell her this maybe wasn't the best idea? To make this song and video + work with Nicki + have this whole image of "the bad girl" and then go on Instagram live with Nicki again. It just doesn't add up to me.

Nicki, on the other hand, is just totally vile and I don't understand why she still has so much support. It just sits very bad with me how they are trying to make Leigh-Anne "the angry black person", which mostly Nicki did but no way is Jesy innocent. She knew exactly what Nicki was going to do and say and just sat there. She maybe didn't see 'I agree', but at the same time, you show you agree if you keep silent. And this comes from the same woman who made the amazing documentary and who KNOWS what internet bullying can do to you.

This is the, fair points, Nicki made about Miley in 2015. So where has all this energy gone? I just saw the clip of Jesy talking about the comments that (I assume) Leigh-Anne made after the SM video, Nicki's rant and Jesy just laughing about that?? I hadn't seen that before my last post but that is even more disgusting behaviour. Jesy is just turning into a bully and racist, which is very sad to see.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 07:29 AM

Jesy is absolutely disgusting, Nicki expected because it’s taking the heat away from all of her negative press!

At the start of live they literally had a conversation about bullies and now she’s being one...

Jesy really showed her true colours sat there laughing, nearly 10 years together those girls had and regardless of the drama to sit on a live laughing while Leigh as a new mother was being completely dragged.

No no no no.

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 07:42 AM

Over it all tbh, it’s so messy. I’ve just deleted what I’ve said it’s all getting very heated all over social media.

Posted by: shadow2009 12th October 2021, 07:52 AM

Was Nicki told to act as an 'interviewer' for Jesy and that's why she asked about her history and seemed to not know she was in a group before? Or did she really forget she done a verse for Woman Like Me, performed at the EMAs, had them on her radio show and used them as a tool in her fued with Cardi?

Also that 5 seconds of awkward silence after Nicki ranted about Leigh and Jesy just stared at the camera, swallowing and looking uncomfortable....girl knows she's f***ed everything up.

Posted by: jsweetxe 12th October 2021, 08:01 AM

there's no coming back from this for Jesy, she's burned too many bridges and she's really exposed herself. i also feel like we're forgetting about the Sun story that states Leigh told Jesy she needs to think twice about tanning so hard for the Sweet Melody video. Leigh has evidently tried and it matches w/what her sister + friend(?) were saying about the last few years meaning nothing to her in terms of the education.

Nicki has always had a bit of a nasty streak, but it's always been backed up by her immense talent and the fact her nasty streak was usually used "for good" but now it's just plain evil - they both are, i genuinely hope Jesy's career doesn't recover and that people rally around Little Mix/Leigh

Posted by: 34+35 12th October 2021, 08:08 AM

I don’t agree with anything Jesy is doing, but some of ya’ll demanding Little Mix re-record everything without Jesy and you’re never going to stream Little Mix songs with Jesy again, is so dramatic.

Posted by: dannjohn 12th October 2021, 08:13 AM

look, i don't think Leigh-Anne should have messaged someone she doesn't know without knowing the consequences of that person leaking messages...

Saying that, the behaviour from Nicki was outrageous and i think it's even worse that she clearly had no idea what she was talking about.

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 08:31 AM

Amen to this. If Leigh hadn’t said what she said I don’t think Nicki would have said what she said. It’s very tit for tat.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 08:32 AM

I think Leigh Anne needs to make a statement, it's nice to see how much love she's getting through

Posted by: shadow2009 12th October 2021, 08:36 AM

So for a timeline of things....the Sweet Melody video was shot in September 2020, right? And Jesy's last appearance was in October on The Search when performing Holiday/Touch?

So things potentially could have been frosty behind the scenes between then? Or did it maybe blow up after that last performance and that's why she didn't return the next week?

Posted by: shadow2009 12th October 2021, 08:41 AM

[REDACTED]Are you serious?

Leigh has kept her mouth shut for YEARS and never went public with her annoyance. She text Jesy PRIVATELY last year and had opportunities all of 2021 to go public and bad mouth her and still kept dignified about the situation. She's been close with Jesy since 2011 and not once threw her under a bus. She made a documentary about racism last year and Jesy never once supported it or acknowledged it publicly and then she ditched the group because she got called out for blackfishing, blocked the girls and is now acting like a bad girl from the ghetto with her fake tan, low rider, grills and Nicki/Diddy in her video meanwhile acting like a victim and using mental health to deflect any criticism. Leigh snapped and sent a few texts in response to an influencer who was clearly baiting.

How the HELL is that on the same level as Nicki Minaj (who doesn't know a thing about the group) ranting to 100K followers, calling her a clown, swearing and then making pointed, passive aggressive Instagram and Twitter posts to Leigh (even NAMING HER) when she has millions of fans around the world?

[Redacted]

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 08:42 AM

i'm dying that nicki also liked comments about andre made in the past too, like lets not discuss your husband and how you defend him while Leigh Anne publicly criticised Andre.


I think the BLM movement was a massive part to all of this and it's why Leigh Anne called Jesy out at the Sweet Melody video (while they were still "sisters" and band mates) and Leigh Anne got frustrated that Jesy hasn't learned her lesson, for anybody that mentions Leigh Anne's best friend, she's not have a photo in over a year and a half where she looks anywhere near as blackfish, the photo in question that everyone is raving about was May 2020.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 08:58 AM

Honestly this situation is just so ridiculous.

Leigh did SO much research before and during her documentary, heard people’s stories and learnt a lot even things she probably wasn’t aware of.

I’m sure after learning these things, she text Jesy behind the scene’s trying to make her realise how harming being so dark could be. It sounds like there was no malice whatsoever.

Fast forward and Jesy is now appropriating black culture (grills, tan, wig, sampling Diddy, using the word ‘Baddie’, hood etc etc) Coupled with Jesy not supporting Leigh’s doc at all publicly and blocking anyone who tried to call her out for ‘blackfishing’ I’m pretty sure it wasn’t her team that’s just an excuse because she even replied to someone saying the tan was natural (again lies when her best mate was tanning her a few days before on her story).

I feel so sorry for Leigh, she snapped not only are the girls probably still upset Jesy cut them off but the fact she’s done this video which is way way way above just a dark tan...is anyone surprised?

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 09:15 AM

Chill your fingers you little keyboard warrior. Imagine getting this angry on an Internet forum

I’m not saying it’s ok that Nicki acted the way she did am I you absolute tool. I was simply saying that is why Nicki acted the way she did. That doesn’t make it ok.
Now go take yourself outside for some fresh and breath instead of hitting that caps lock and getting angry with strangers on the internet hun.

Posted by: Tafty³³³ 12th October 2021, 09:34 AM

Can we quit with the name-calling please?

This is such an important conversation that I want us to keep the thread up and keep talking about it, but not at the expense of calling other people names.

Thank you.

Posted by: jsweetxe 12th October 2021, 09:36 AM

this behaviour is very... gas-lightey isn't it? you said something that would absolutely cause backlash and when confronted with the backlash you play the whole "hahaha it's not that serious go outside touch grass!!" rather than acknowledging what you said wasn't warranted.

where have we seen that before

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 09:42 AM

I think it anyone needs to make statement it's Jesy. AN IG story saying "please don't attack any of the girls will suffice", because if she doesn't she's a hypocrite, and the barbs are coming down harder on poor liegh anne than anything Jesy would have experienced. Leigh Anne owes us nothing.

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 09:44 AM

It wasn’t said to cause backlash at all, it was simply opinion as to how the situation was coming across, maybe I worded it wrong but it’s coming across as tit for tat, as in how Nicki acted was very much she’s said done this so I’m gonna act like this. It isn’t Gas-Lightey at all but apparently a lot of people get triggered and jump down people’s throats. Which isn’t ok, yes this is a discussion but to refer to someone as an Idiot & telling them to F off & ‘Shut your mouth’ is so unbelievable childish and quite frankly nasty.
There’s no need for anyone in this forum to speak to anyone with disrespect.

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 10:10 AM

While I agree, this will only come across as a way for Jesy to save what little career / goodwill she had before this disaster of an episode.
Jesy can say what she wants - I will no longer be listening (it's all a little too late).

Posted by: HarryBorelli 12th October 2021, 10:51 AM

The thing I don't understand are those stating that Liegh-anne is the bad guy for saying someone should do a video on the important issue of blackfishing instead of a dance video and dubbing it down to just being leighanne wanted a negative video made about Jesy??

Elsewhere, the live was just a mess, regardless of how you felt about it for either party, I am sure we all agree it won't have done Jesy any favours.

Posted by: jsweetxe 12th October 2021, 10:52 AM

bit of a slog but this p much confirms that the DMs weren't real

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 10:53 AM

Nicki saying "she's jealous because you're solo on a song with Nicki" while Jesy nods along when it was made clear that Leigh tried to make her aware of the bald fish comments online a year before that on the Sweet Melody like.... why is she just changing the time line like it's a What If episode.

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 11:05 AM

Interesting....

Posted by: Chemistry 12th October 2021, 11:22 AM

And AS IF anyone with any common sense would be "jealous to have a song with Nicki"

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 11:25 AM

Urgh Leigh Anne deserves so much better.

I'm surprised Jesy has allowed her friends to put stories up and comment without actually having a discussion with Leigh Anne, she has watched Leigh Anne be dragged and total and even though she's not the one doing it she's the one enabling it and not putting a stop to it, any half decent person would ask "her fans" or "friends" to stop attacking someone especially over something likely to be fake but that NoHun_ really should be sacked from whatever he does. I honestly think this is all a massive publicity stunt for Jesy to generate as much discussion as possible, shame that it's a newly mother of two that is receiving all the hate.

Posted by: Billy. 12th October 2021, 11:34 AM

This is not true. He unfollowed everyone after he went live.

Posted by: jsweetxe 12th October 2021, 11:36 AM

explain literally everything else in the thread - the unfollowing thing was perhaps a coincidence however if you look at the actual messages and the comparisons of how it is for someone who is blue tick verified..

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 11:44 AM

jesy is this you?

Posted by: Voodoo 12th October 2021, 11:50 AM

What? How is this even possible?!

Posted by: blacksquare 12th October 2021, 11:55 AM

People are getting distracted by the Instagram messages — if they're fake then they're fake, if they're real then they were a private response with someone she felt comfortable messaging and he leaked them for clout. It doesn't change anything that Jesy has done publicly.

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 11:56 AM

Exactly this

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 12:00 PM

The key to this is Jesy mentioned Leigh privately text her after the Sweet Melody shoot, thus half of Nicki’s rant about how Leigh is jealous is just false when it was raised while she was in the group (I do feel like Jesy wanted to name her too though for maximum impact!).


Has anyone noticed how Nicki played on Jealous bi*tches on Twitter and made it JeLeigh bit*hes....I mean it’s playground stuff.


I still can’t believe this is happening so publicly and brutally, something needs to happen!!

Posted by: Voodoo 12th October 2021, 12:01 PM

Is it "sweet and sensitive" to ask an influencer to create a hate video about your former friend?

I don't think so.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 12th October 2021, 12:04 PM

It's a private message. You've never bitched about anyone privately?!

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 12:05 PM

I don't see how people are getting this from the messages.

I literally see her replying to his 'question' about making a Boyz dance video with a tongue in cheek, make one about her blackfishing instead.
She didn't go out of her way to ask him to make a video like everyone is making it seem.

Posted by: Frenchie 12th October 2021, 12:07 PM

This!!! It really baffles me how people can’t understand this and think Leigh is being nasty, when she’s clearly just frustrated.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 12:10 PM

It wasn't supposed to be private, it would have led to a viral negative video about Jesy. I don't get how people are using the excuse it's a private message, it's still her going out of her way to make people make nasty videos about Jesy whether warranted or not.

Posted by: blacksquare 12th October 2021, 12:11 PM

You must have the reading comprehension of a child. Respectfully, of course.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 12th October 2021, 12:12 PM

I think you're blinded by your love for Jesy and coming out with every excuse in the sun to defend her so I'll just be ignoring you from now on, respectfully, it's like talking to a brick wall and wasted energy.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 12:16 PM

I'm aware there is wrong on Jesy's side, but there is also wrong on Leigh's side. I'm being honest and I feel like people's hate of Jesy is clouding that Leigh did do something wrong with the messages...

I genuinely love all four girls but it's not fair for Jesy just to be slandered when Leigh did wrong too. Plus Jesy literally did nothing wrong yesterday, it's like everyone is making out she said what Nicki did.

Imagine if Jesy messaged people asking them to make negative videos about Leigh/Little Mix you'd all jump on the hate train or would it still be okay because it is a 'private message'?

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 12:27 PM

Yeah, I'm sorry Slayer, I think you're a great mod and overall your presence in the forum is amazing, but some of the discourse between Jesy and Nicki has ben abhorrent. Leigh Anne has stuck up for Jesy numerous times over the year. Also Jesy needs to do is put a story up saying "please don't attack anyone", after years of advocating against online bullying, if she really does see them as her sisters.

The Barbs attacking Leigh will probably be the worst thing Leigh has ever had to deal with online, and is probably a bigger pile on that Jesy ever experienced. Whether the screen shots are real or not, they were in private and everyone has said things out of hurt or anger about people they care/cared for at some point in private. Allowing Nicki to actively put Leigh Anne on blast is another level or bullying, whichever way you look at it.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 12:32 PM

Thanks for your respectful response, I get what you mean about if Jesy put up a story saying please don't attack anyone, but the girls could have also done that about Jesy months ago too before things got this crazy.

I do agree what Nicki did is completely wrong and I definitely do not condone it at all.

I really wish she didn't get involved.

I'm just sad it all came to this I'd love Leigh/Jesy to get together or even have a phone call to discuss things when things calm down.

I think Jesy needs to really get to grips and understand why Leigh and others feel a certain way.

I just hope everyone involved is okay and getting the help/support they need with this all going on.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 12:35 PM

Brush them off? I've said she should get educated on it and take action...

What do you mean I wouldn't understand? I'm a person of colour myself so I do not appreciate you trying to invalidate MY opinions on the matter.

I've seen many POC defend Jesy online too, it's definitely a mixed bag of people with different views. I do think we've reached the stage where something really needs to be done and the whole thing needs to be addressed.

I just think we need to hear from the girls/jesy and not anyone else getting themselves involved.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 12:35 PM

I just can’t believe Leigh respectfully text her and questioned her tan etc after the SM melody video then she proceeds to scale up her blackfishing in almost every possible way in the video, her appearance and lyrics..

You can see why Leigh was raging (if those messages are true) Added on top of this if Jesy has blocked the girls numbers etc...

How can anyone defend or think Leigh’s in the wrong for those messages, clearly when she said ‘make a video about black fishing instead’ she didn’t literally mean for him to go and start a hate campaign against her...

Also, Does anyone remember Leigh and Jesy’s mini argument on The Search they definitely seemed frosty with each other even back then...It’s all starting to make sense.

Posted by: Jamesy 12th October 2021, 12:45 PM

As I mentioned earlier, there were definitely rumours those two didn’t get along from as early as the Get Weird era.

Posted by: Court 12th October 2021, 12:52 PM

You’re right and I deleted my post because I didn’t think is was really fair to say what you can or can not understand.

But I stand by the point that you have been trying to brush it under the rug for as long as the Jesy threads have been open. Admitting she’s wrong but also urging people to stop talking about it so you can enjoy the music is still brushing it off. And repeatedly trying to spread blame to Leigh Anne when we know that Leigh Anne brought the issue to Jesys attention and she ignored it, is brushing off Jesy’s responsibility in this whole mess.

Posted by: salutesmix 12th October 2021, 01:02 PM

jesy laughing at nicki while she was attacking and calling Leigh-Anne as a clown, jealous and hypocrite etc? for the sake's of promoting a song? and trusting a random tiktoker with unverified screenshots?

as someone who has been following them since i was very young this is so upsetting to see but i've been getting really bad vibes from jesy since last year.
not even two years ago she stood(rightfully) for mental health, cyberbullying, made a documentary about her experience and now she behaves like this...? nnnnn all the mess with the shady remarks, constant lies, problematic behaviors are ''nothing'' compared to that live and the way she has been acting.

the other 3 had no reasons to act shady or whatever, they mentioned her for sweet melody #1, the brit etc and only shared positive memories. but SHE decided to be the one to act shady, wretched, pull the victim card 24/7 forgetting the other 3 were there for her (and also had their own problems) .... and jesy is expecting people to believe/follow her? lmao

she stated that's what she has always want to make, good 4 u jesy now stop mentioning little mix - create your own path (if you're able to) and do not say a word anymore about mental health after what you did.


ps: whether the screenshots are fake or not, jesy and nicki had no business to involve so many followers to throw hate at Leigh - if jesy really understood something about her own experience and was sensitive about the topic or her ''sisters'', regardless there's bad blood or not, she would have avoided making Leigh a target on the internet. this alone speaks volumes about the person miss nelson really is.

Posted by: Yousee 12th October 2021, 01:11 PM

Oh finally someone has noticed! Perrie and Jade told her same thing and she was alright; but as soon as Leigh said same thing, she flared up, and Leigh was the one who calmed the situation.
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It always felt like Jesy didn't warm up that much to Leigh in the group. Even watching very closely the LM5 tour, you can see who and who got on more.
Just my opinion, please don't come at me people.

Posted by: Yousee 12th October 2021, 01:14 PM

I'm happy Jesy has left the group. She was always my least favourite of the band. I like her and I liked what she brought to the table. Loved her lower harmonies. Loved her sass and stage presence. Loved her dancing, etc. But yes, I prefer a Little Mix of Jade, Leigh and Perrie to what they had before.
Can Friday just come soon please so we focus on Adele.

Posted by: jsweetxe 12th October 2021, 01:15 PM

i think saying that Jesy and Leigh weren't close is a bit too much when the two were evidently very close - however things probably soured when Jesy started appropriating more and more and Leigh started to speak up more.

Posted by: Benji89 12th October 2021, 01:30 PM

Jesy strikes me as incredibly sensitive when it comes to criticism or feedback, which is an understandable consequence of the horrible trolling she received in the early days. The problem is that means the girls will have had to bite their tongue a lot with her so as to not upset her, meaning that when Leigh did put it out there that she is blackfishing she got overly defensive and it led to arguments. Just my opinion.

It's very feasible to me that they didn't argue much in the band, right up until the end when it boiled over. Not speaking for a year with unresolved issues just makes them worse, and here we are today

Posted by: shadow2009 12th October 2021, 01:40 PM

Yeah that’s bullshit though. Look at the 4 of them when they won the Brit in 2017 - they were all over eachother and crying about how much they were best friends forever. There was never EVER any indications of tension between any of the group so this is definitely just revisionism.

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 01:41 PM

The girls were drunk enough times (at award shows) that something would have slipped out if they didn't get on.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 01:55 PM

I was just referencing that one moment In The Search...

It was really odd Jesy looked fuming and angry (Leigh had said the same as the other 2 girls but randomly piped up to her) so maybe tensions were still rife from any blackfishing remarks from the video?

I’d definitely not seen or thought they didn’t get along at any point before (Think she left the episode after too).

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 02:01 PM

Well Jesy's PR team are working hard (hardly working) as they just sent a story to the Daily Mail.

"A source said: 'Jesy is turning to friends for support during this time as the trolling which so badly affected her during her Little Mix days has come back in a big way – and that's one of the reasons why she left the band in the first place.

'It should have been a positive and happy celebration but it's been tainted by what has started to feel like a personal attack against her.

'It's now become a Little Mix vs Jesy storyline, when ultimately the band and Jesy have always stood for anti-bullying so it's a shame to see this taking such a sour turn.

‘Jesy has been saddened to hear that somebody she once referred to as 'family' has been encouraging online hate towards her, and whilst she appears in a much better head space after going solo, friends and family are checking in with her daily to make sure she's okay."

Posted by: Yousee 12th October 2021, 02:03 PM

I think they all got on reasonably well. But some got on more than others, and that's absolutely normal. Most bands have been like that; and even actual siblings sometimes.

Posted by: Chemistry 12th October 2021, 02:04 PM

Of course the Daily Fail are going to support a white woman and try to put the black woman in a bad light. Racism is basically the reason they excist in the first place.

Posted by: shindymindy 12th October 2021, 02:05 PM

Well it seems to be backfiring at the moment as all the comments are defending Leigh-Anne.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 02:15 PM

wow

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 02:28 PM

This is absolutely disgusting!!!!

Maybe instead of getting these ‘sources’ they should be coming online and seeing the outpour of love for Leigh.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 02:29 PM

can one of the girls just provide a statement

Posted by: J00prstar 12th October 2021, 02:38 PM

Is this Jesys beginning to slide into complaining about cancel culture?

I really hope not.

Criticism does not equal 'trolling' or 'bullying' and it devalues those things to conflate them.

Posted by: tommie 12th October 2021, 02:38 PM

I don't think it's particularly unique to get defensive at first when you receive criticism, no matter how legitimate it is. Jesy unfortunately seems to just dig her heels in though and refuse to take in what anyone else is saying, no matter how nicely they put it. I get the feeling she's writing all this off as "haterz bullying" - which I'm sure is true to some extent, but not the extent she thinks it is.

Posted by: Voodoo 12th October 2021, 02:43 PM

You're blinded by your love for Leigh-Anne, I'm afraid.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 02:47 PM

The hate on Jesy’s Instagram is very concerning her latest post literally is 10k comments of hate.

Obviously she’s done this to herself but at the same time I hope she is learning from this, creating some sort of apology post and learns to do better...

These things will never stick forever if she actively addresses it and changes...

(also Lm should drop Cut You Off)

Posted by: ___∆___ 12th October 2021, 03:00 PM

Jesy - done a program on being bullied

Jesy - laughs at others being bullied

Way to cancel yourself

Posted by: Cameron 12th October 2021, 03:12 PM

This is just so uncomfortable. Like I’m seeing the clips of that live on Twitter and oh my god…

Posted by: sammy01 12th October 2021, 03:13 PM

From a bit of an outsiders perspective it felt like the last few years Little Mix and all around them bent over backwards to accommodate Jesy and her mental health issues. So to see her be complicit in public vilification of one of those band members who sought to protect her is tough to see.

Her solo campaign could have been such a joyful thing, her being happy and a positive force making inspirational music. Instead it's a tacky mess that's pissed on little mix legacy and divided the fan base.

Posted by: dancinqueen 12th October 2021, 03:24 PM

This 👏🏽

TBH, I think Little Mix look way better now as a 3. It’s like a modern TLC, I hope they bless us with some good tunes and no samples or featurings.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 03:52 PM

seems like a lot more people are unfollowing jesy - anne marie has joined the list

Posted by: shadow2009 12th October 2021, 03:55 PM

This isn't meant with any sort of sarcasm or spite at all but I truly, truly feel sorry for Jesy.

Of course Leigh is the victim and Jesy has caused all of this, but when Nicki was ranting about Leigh last night there was definitely some looks from Jesy that indicated she had FINALLY realised the mistake she had made and how bad things were going to get. Nicki will abandon her as soon as the Boyz promo ends and she's already burned bridges with Little Mix and lost most of the support from LM fans. I just feel like it's going to get really uncomfortable and I worry about her mental health if her career flops and she's left feeling like she has no love or support from anyone - even if, as I said, it's because of her own choices.

My heart aches for Leigh but the only positive there is that she has recently given birth to twins, has a long term relationship, a great relationship with Perrie and Jade and of course so much to look forward to with Little Mix plus a huge outpouring of support and love from fans around the world after this.

It's just such an ugly situation and as much as Jesy's behaviour has enraged me, I truly just want her to get out of the spotlight and reflect on her choices and educate herself and apologize. It's just so awkward and sad to see someone hype up their solo career for months and to see the debut single overshadowed by drama and hatred after only four days of release.

Posted by: RobBot 12th October 2021, 04:04 PM

This is perfectly written to how I actually feel. I think a large part of the reason I’ve defended Jesy to an extent in these threads is because I think she’s been ignorant, dumb and selfish, but I don’t think the intent behind it is malicious and I think she will regret so much of how she’s handling things in months to come. And that’s where me mentioning “mental health” on occasions comes into it because I don’t know how she will handle all of this once Nicki f***s off to her next project.

I can’t imagine this is nice for any of the Little Mix girls aswell, I don’t expect this would be how they wanted to see in their tenth anniversary together because it’s soured so much positive history. It’s a really ugly situation for everyone involved, exacerbated by Jesy’s original actions but then made worse by actions of outside parties who likely won’t pay any consequences for adding their harmful two pennies-worth.

I honestly just can’t wait for this to go away and for some focus to go to Adele on Friday, and in the near future, even if it will probably fall on dead ears for many who will see it as too late, I hope Jesy can apologise and look at the error of her ways with an open mind because I personally can’t buy into this idea that she’s a “horrible person”. Just misguided.

Posted by: ___∆___ 12th October 2021, 04:09 PM

You have to ask where the guidance is from her management, team and label - everyone can see the backlash against her so where is the advice and support from her team to make things right?

Posted by: addylita 12th October 2021, 04:12 PM

^^
I’ve posted something similar in other forums…I think she should have stayed out of spotlight for a lil bit longer and work on her mental health that came with her being famous and in the group.

Regardless of her race ignorance (intentionally or not), I agree that this is going to impact and damage her mental health even further and I don’t think she is ready to handle all of it!!!

Posted by: -Jay- 12th October 2021, 04:15 PM

I get why people are appalled with Jesy, but my main feeling is sadness about this whole situation. Sad for the trio, sad for her... things really didn't have to be this way. I think she's well and truly burned her bridges now.

That Instagram live was ill advised to say the least. Nicki is volatile, and it makes me think that Jesy is incredibly naive to think there's an actual genuine connection between them. Her head is in the clouds...

I feel for Leigh-Anne. Yes, talking to a TikTok/influencer/whatever he is, wasn't particularly wise... but I understand the frustration and it was in private. I actually think those messages demonstrate that she did still care about Jesy, because her frustration/anger with her must come from a place of... this girl being someone she shared a friendship/working relationship with for almost a decade. She mustn't be able to recognise who this Jesy is anymore. Also Leigh-Anne strikes me as a sensitive soul with her heart in the right place, so Nicki (who clearly doesn't know Leigh-Anne at all) talking badly about her, about a situation she seems to have a 1% knowledge about, was really horrible. I hope Leigh isn't too fazed, and that it'll blow over for her (re: the Barbs trolling her).

Jesy... I feel frustrated with her. I think ignorance and a lack of intelligence (sorry to be blunt but I truly do believe she isn't an intelligent person) is her downfall. With Nicki temporarily gassing her up, and seemingly her team doing the same, Jesy isn't going to face up to her wrongdoings. It feels kind of dangerous if she has a team of "yes people" around her, and it makes me worry for the perhaps not too distant future and if she'll cope.

It was completely fair enough that she wanted to remove herself from Little Mix. The online trolling she faced over the years of the group were horrendous, it's clearly shaped her into a person who is 100% insecure about her appearance. I believe beauty standards of social media, shows like TOWIE etc, really fed into her perception of what she needs to look like, to be acceptable. A tan, big lips and huge hair has clearly become comfortable for her. It's a look reflected by countless white women in the UK. I can understand the reluctance for her to strip that back, and clearly she doesn't understand (or refuses to listen) that her appearance, combined with her appreciation of R&B/Hip-Hop and Black culture in general, is why she is accused of blackfishing. She seems to think it's purely about the tan.

I still worry about her mental health. It doesn't excuse her behaviour, mental health shouldn't be weaponised, but regardless, that's still a genuine part of her and even if this is mostly her own doing, I still hope she has genuine people in her life who will be there if she starts to not cope with all of this. I extend this same worry to Leigh-Anne, of course, I truly hope she's okay.

Honestly, what a mess. I'm sorry for the probably incoherent rambling... I just wish all of this wasn't happening.

Posted by: J00prstar 12th October 2021, 04:18 PM

I'm pretty much dead on with Jay here. Great words!

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 04:21 PM

STAR

Posted by: Slick 12th October 2021, 04:23 PM

This is spot on, Jay! Agree with all of it but didn't have the energy to find the words myself.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 04:45 PM

You put this so perfectly!

I really hope Jesy has good people around her, her instagram comments are so so disgusting after yesterday.

I also hope Leigh and the rest of the girls are okay.

I wish this wasn't happening I never imagined anything like this would happen.

Posted by: ThePensmith 12th October 2021, 04:54 PM

Agree with everything you've said Jay. It's disappointing and saddening and I can only hope that this doesn't turn into another Caroline Flack situation.

Posted by: Frenchie 12th October 2021, 05:14 PM

Very well put!

I really hope Jesy learns from this whole situation and thinks a bit more carefully going forward about her image and relationship with the girls.

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 05:18 PM

Couldn’t have said it any better myself. It’s such a mess, I hate the fact that this is all happening. Completely agree.

Cut You Off already sounding like it sums it all up ‘How did we get here, it used to be so good, nothing lasts forever but I really thought we could’

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 05:45 PM

I wrote this elsewhere and I wanted to reiterate why what Nicki has done/weaponised Jesy's feelings/issues and has gotten it so wrong:

Nicki not bothering to listen and not fully understanding (and frankly not CARING) what's going on has really f***ed this up for all of Little Mix and Jesy who have never (outside of some snide remarks and some possible leaked messages) have never outwardly come for each other until now. From the pieces of the puzzle that I DO have, here seems to be what has really happened:

To put it simply, around the time of Sweet Melody, Jesy's "Black-fishing" was catching some heat (literally all the comments on Jesy's IG were calling her up on it), it wasn't the first time over the years that it had been brought up to the point of making a lot of noise online, but what is important is that it was the first time it was being significantly brought up since the Black Lives Matter protests/movement in May 2020. A time where a lot of people felt like they had more confidence to speak up. So, Leigh Anne, an active voice during the movement, clearly took her bandmate aside and laid it out for her, hoping she'd listen. (A big part of that movement was about listening to the black people around you and educating yourself and those around you on surrounding issues in hope of us all bettering ourselves).

Jesy rejected this or was defensive to it, given tanning/looking racially ambiguous is something she uses as a mask to feel confident (which, is understandable to a point, given her struggles) but choosing to ignore this rather than to work on other ways to present herself and still feel confident clearly added to the building tensions that lead to her leaving the band.

Nicki seems to have twisted this narrative to make it seem that Leigh Anne is only now, with the release of 'Boyz' brining up the black fishing in some jealous rage to try and ruin Jesy's career, which is so, so wrong and unfair for many reasons.

Posted by: Mikal 12th October 2021, 05:53 PM

Story made the 6 o’clock news. Eek.

Posted by: dancinqueen 12th October 2021, 05:55 PM

Jay, amazing as always.

But please, don’t forget accountability. She’s not a child. She’s a grown up (uneducated) who has the resources to surround herself with the right people and she’s making mistake after mistake. POC we’re tired to always have to “forgive” the poor white person who “was misunderstood “.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 06:02 PM

Mass buy guyssss

Download ‘ I LOVE YOU ‘ to support Leigh.

Posted by: 365 12th October 2021, 06:23 PM

Also wholeheartedly agree with Jay's post and I worry for Jesy, once this flash in the pan hit is over I don't know what will be next for her, so I hope she finds ways to stay happy.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 12th October 2021, 06:27 PM

i legit see her doing a tulisa sort of career

single 3 will be a ballad and will be about little mix probably.

Posted by: Billy. 12th October 2021, 06:28 PM

But Jesy also has multiple people of colour surrounding her telling her that she is doing nothing wrong. There are plenty of POC who see no issue in what she is doing.

I don’t want to start that type of conversation really as it’s not upto me to tell people particularly black people how to feel about it but I’m just pointing it out.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 06:33 PM

I just hope she's okay, i'm really worried about her, I thought she might have done some promo this week but she's kind of gone silent.

I know she said she doesn't post on her social media and her team have control of it and she only goes on it sometimes to talk to fans. I do hope she is avoiding social media because some of the comments on her pictures are really horrible.

I don't want another Caroline Flack situation like another user said

I hope she has good people around her, seeks help and hopefully has someone to educate her on why people are coming for her.

I think you worded it really well in your previous comment, she just doesn't get the gravity of the situation and she uses the tan etc because of her own issues with her appearance.

Posted by: addylita 12th October 2021, 06:45 PM

Few people like Nicki and Diddy don’t represent the whole race…and both of them are part of the project and less we talk about Nicki the better tbh!!!

This wouldn’t come down to this point if Jesy and her management issued proper genuine apology and she SHOULD have definitely stayed away from this atrocity of IG live with Nicki.

Posted by: sammy01 12th October 2021, 06:57 PM

Why are people absolving Jesy of the blame this is all on her. She left Little Mix and had the chance to have any solo career she wanted and this is what she chose.

Choosing to record the song she did, make the video she did and have Nicki on the track are all down to her. She wanted control and this is the outcome.

Leaving Little Mix she could have written a book of self help for those struggling, make interesting or inspiring or evening meaningful music, do charity work. The world was her oyster and she chose this path this is all on her.

Posted by: Slayer 12th October 2021, 07:00 PM

She can still do all of those things...

Posted by: sn👠ke 12th October 2021, 07:08 PM

If its true that she has hasn't any fake tan in the video and has naturally tanned from recently being on holiday and her skin does easily tan, as she says at 1:40 in this video then what can she do about the tan issue to stop future accusations of blackfishing? Not go on holiday to sunny places again and sunbathe? Although you all say that it has more to do with it than the tan, also the hairstyle and the context of the video.

It was certainly unwise and not well thought out of her amidst the blackfishing accusations to say she was 'lucky' that as a white girl she tans so dark in the sun.

100% I see where the accusations of blackfishing have come from of course and Jesy does need to do more to address this issue I think.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 12th October 2021, 07:20 PM

No one naturally tans that dark from being on holiday, I've truly heard it all!!!

I agree with Jesy's mental health regarding all of this and think she has a lot of yes people surrounding her which is only going to damage her further. I think the best thing for her would be to be held accountable, apologise, and then take some time out of the spotlight maybe. Yes she does have a hit on her hands currently but at what cost? It's only down from here sadly - I think the Tulisa comparisons are accurate and if she does release further music it will go down the same sort of route in terms of success.

Posted by: Billy. 12th October 2021, 07:22 PM

Nobody is absolving Jesy of blame, why do people not actually read the posts? Every single person who has shown an ounce of empathy for the situation have also vehemently stated that Jesy is in the wrong. Someone can be in the wrong but can also be vulnerable and so we can also worry about them and how their actions will affect their future.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 12th October 2021, 07:28 PM

I do agree with this. Look at Caroline Flack for example, was what she did to her ex wrong? Of course (if true, I can't remember, just using it as a comparison). Did she deserve to have so much hate and ultimately have it cost her, her life? Absolutely not.

I'm not saying Jesy will go that way in the end, but I really hope she has someone intervene who has her best interests at heart and take action that will help her. She needs to be held accountable, but I don't wish for anything bad to happen to her in the same breath.

Posted by: sammy01 12th October 2021, 07:47 PM

Its self inflicted though, it's like someone cutting their arm off then feeling sorry for them that they only have one arm.

At some point people just maybe need to accept that mental health issues or not Jesy is 30 years old and you can't continue to just cut her slack because of it. There has to come a point where people say she is an unintelligent person (dumb is the word really) who has made awful decisions and the fall out from them are on her.

I know that isn't very empathetic but sometimes people get to the point of not really deserving the empathy if they are the architect of their own problems.

Posted by: Billy. 12th October 2021, 07:54 PM

I'm not sure what adapting that type of outlook on the situation really achieves but I don't think Jesy is a person who does not deserve empathy. like so many have said she absolutely has to be held accountable, and whilst you can't cut her slack because of her mental health issues you can (and quite frankly should) be aware and mindful of them.

I suppose we're all unique in how we perceive situations but I just think it's worth remembering that literally nobody is excusing her actions.

Posted by: sammy01 12th October 2021, 08:05 PM

I guess I'm not emotionally invested in her so I'm just looking at it without feeling. From my perspective it seemed like so many people the last few years seem to have done their best to accommodate and help her and the moment she had the chance to say 'Yeah Nicki let's not bully someone online, especially someone thats seen me go through it and tried to comfort me' she sat their silent.
Sometimes you gotta practice what you preach.

Posted by: HarryBorelli 12th October 2021, 08:08 PM

I echo the comments made by others I do feel Jesy brought this all on herself by not listening to concerns about blackflashing and then the live situation. But I worry for her mental health as Nicki does not care about her, the fact she didnt know she already did a track with little mix proves she does songs sometimes to get hits. Her team seem to be yes people and will not tell her what she did was wrong. However, I still want her to be accountable, she is not some teen who doesnt know better or a child she is a grown woman who should know how important some of these issues are to black people.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 12th October 2021, 08:38 PM

Jesy’s still commenting on Nicki’s posts

‘look at Youuuu �� ‘ from 2 hours ago.

Do we really buy that she’s never online and it’s mainly her team Because she seems to instantly like Nicki’s posts and comment!

Also, given everything that’s happened the way Nicki dragged Leigh on Twitter still actively commenting and supporting Nicki is a joke!

My blood is boiling because she just doesn’t give a sh*t!

Posted by: blacksquare 12th October 2021, 08:45 PM

Also, this:

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 12th October 2021, 09:55 PM

I really hate all that is happening right now, its all turned so sour, i remain hopeful that one day the girls will all make up and do a geri halliwell/spice girls on it but right now its not looking good, i also think its terrible way for Jesy to start her solo career that long term will do her no favours, but like others have said i cant help but feel she has brought alot of it on herself.

Posted by: Dane 12th October 2021, 10:09 PM

I’m sorry but Joel, throughout the whole situation with Jesy leaving even before her solo career & the video you have been such a negative person towards Jesy. Everything you’ve had to say about her is negative. I’ve watched you comment at every god given opportunity to say a bad thing about her. It’s obvious you don’t like her, you’ve made it very very clear. Your blood may be boiling because you think she doesn’t give a shit but it’s definitely a personal vendetta you have. I’ve never read so many negative comments than I have from reading yours. So don’t act like you’re hurt by the way she acts because it clearly stems down to the fact you do not like her.

Posted by: Muzkik85 12th October 2021, 10:10 PM

I think a lot of people are missing that it's not about the tan. It's the lips, the braids, the fashion, the grills, the fetishising black men, the...everything about the video.

Yes she can't help if she does go very tan but she can help all of the rest.

Posted by: Voodoo 12th October 2021, 10:49 PM

So what? Is tanning against the law now? If it is, I didn't get the memo.

Posted by: Mr.X 12th October 2021, 11:06 PM

Think if you read the thread you can see that its not just the tanning. It's the whole package. The tanning is just a small (but very obvious) point. Also, it's not the natural tan she is trying to say it is, come on!!!

Posted by: Umi 12th October 2021, 11:39 PM

This post is extremely callous and you would do well to be less proud of your total ignorance of a situation that causes hurt to so many. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/08/entertainment/blackfishing-explainer-trnd/index.html is an article explaining what blackfishing is. You can watch Jesy's music video on YouTube and draw your own conclusions as to whether or not she's guilty of it, and whether or not you think that blackfishing is actually problematic. What you cannot do, though, is dismiss the concerns of a marginalised group by pretending that they are absurd and laughable. It is really an extremely ugly thing to do.

I am disappointed in general that this issue is even controversial on here because it's not been my experience elsewhere. I appreciate that a lot of you have affection for Jesy but there are people in here who are more angry at black people for being offended than they are at a white woman for having done something offensive. I absolutely sympathise with those who can condemn Jesy's actions while also worrying for the consequences of this on her mental health, but this woman literally went on an Instagram live with Nicki Minaj to incite a black aggressor vs innocent white victim narrative. It is indefensible.

Posted by: Jamesy 13th October 2021, 01:31 AM

I really hope LM never let her return. She’s made her bed, now she has to lie in it.

Posted by: Muzkik85 13th October 2021, 02:41 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/WavyKidJT_/status/1447835232732856320?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1447835232732856320%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukmix.org%2Fforum%2Fmusic%2Fsongs%2F10686934-jesy-nelson-boyz-feat-nicki-minaj%2Fpage12

Sorry I don't know how to embed but here is a thread pretty much proving (as everyone suspected) that Leigh's DM was fake. Which has just made all of this nastiness out of absolutely nothing.

Posted by: -Jay- 13th October 2021, 03:48 AM

A lot of that thread isn’t conclusively true, because certain phones/apps display Instagram differently (for instance 344K vs 344 k, and the names being swapped around). That user unfollowed everybody after all of the drama he created, he certainly had a following count to begin with.

I think the most crucial thing is that if the Leigh messages weren’t real, there surely would have been a very swift debunking - but there hasn’t been.


It’s kind of wild that this situation ended up being a report on BBC News. I’ll be amazed if Jesy and her team can really continue to stick their heads in the sand. There has to be accountability.

(Also I just want to acknowledge how quite a few of you responded and agreed with my earlier post, I’m glad that so many of us have empathy alongside our valid concerns about how Jesy is behaving. I truly hope and want for this situation to reach a conclusion where Jesy listens, learns, apologises and makes positive steps forwards)

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 13th October 2021, 07:10 AM

We all know they’ve used this ‘drama’ as a marketing tool. The way Nicki was posting the song Links as she went in on Leigh.

Jesy’s so naive to think Nicki will have anything to do with her in 6 months time...

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 13th October 2021, 07:55 AM

Real or not, that influencer is high key gross for doing what he's done to help incite hate all for some clout. He was never funny either, constantly defending Jesy's blackfishing and sharing anti vaxx content - O hope he disappears into absolutely nothing.

Posted by: Dane 13th October 2021, 07:59 AM

He’s just not a nice person, his videos are so so horrible even before this. I’m glad people are finally seeing him for being the vile person he is! Just a shame that Leigh Anne has been dragged into it.

Posted by: 365 13th October 2021, 09:12 AM

Yeah, the fact Leigh hasn't debunked the messages, means they were real to me. BUT, I still don't think she was wrong. Everyone has said negative things about their friends/ex friends etc when they were hurt/angry/upset. Let's not pretend Jesy (Or any of us!) have never said anything about anything about someone we care about that's negative when in privacy.

And I do agree that while I think Jesy is ignorant and being lead down a dangerous path, she's largely being taken advantage of by people who she thinks have her best interests at heart, who will probably not care for her this time next year, sadly. I can say honestly that I do not believe she is a truly callous or malicious person. That's the big difference between herself and Nicki. Nicki will bully someone to get ahead. Jesy is from where I am standing a confused, conflicted and somewhat directionless young woman who I would place bets on, behind closed doors, feeling quite unsettled about how things have gone down between herself and Leigh/Little Mix. Her "wanting to feel accepted/finding a place where she fits", is being taken advantage of and with all due respect I don't think she's quite as tuned in as some people would be see the full picture.

Posted by: Yousee 13th October 2021, 09:28 AM

Well said!

Posted by: dannjohn 13th October 2021, 10:03 AM

No-ones saying Leigh-Ann isn't entitled to be hurt/upset. She fully is.

It just seems very unusual to have the correspondence she did with NoHun knowing he could ultimately leak her DMs and cause... well... this. The fact she's had radio silence shows that Simon (their PR) has probably told the girls to not post or comment anything online about Jesy.

Although, the reference to 'Cut You Off' seems a little... on the nose.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 13th October 2021, 10:37 AM

If you actually read the Boyz thread I had changed my opinion after her honest interview with Ferne. I haven’t constantly been negative yes 90% is negative but that’s down to her behaviour.

I can openly say what I like thank you, don’t put words or assume the only reason I jump on these things if because I dislike her.

I even ordered her CD single as a result of the recent interviews until that live!



The DM’s seem faked to me though. There’s a thread somewhere where numerous things have been pointed out that are shady AF.

If the messages are real then clearly she’s hit breaking point with it all and couldn’t hold back, I’m sure she massively regrets saying those things now

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 13th October 2021, 11:58 AM

The last three days on instagram in terms of followers

Jesy
10/10/21 - -7,765 followers
11/10/21 - -10,815 followers
12/10/21 - -20,410 followers

LeighAnne
10/10/21 - +7,333 Followers
11/10/21 - +16,391 followers
12/10/21 - +27,402 followers.

Leighanne has unfollowed Nicki from Instagram also now.

Posted by: Yousee 13th October 2021, 12:12 PM

Interesting that people pick up details like this haha.
Yes, I was surprised she was still following Nicki yesterday. Happy she's unfollowed her!

Posted by: Slayer 13th October 2021, 12:15 PM

Jesy turned off her @ mentions yesterday, I hope she's okay too.

She's just turned them back on the past hour.

Posted by: Cameron 13th October 2021, 12:24 PM

This article is doing the rounds with the Facebook wine mums… https://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/music/jesy-banned-from-little-mix-forever/ar-AAPosSP?ocid=ob-fb-engb-1511253547831&fbclid=IwAR2NegokCK4hkRTMabwN-PjYIUfBMemUPGpCooQbcTCN568gdq1epcKs_Yo

Posted by: Jamesy 13th October 2021, 01:09 PM

There is no way on this earth that Perrie and especially Jade and Leigh will have Jesy back if her solo career fails now.

Posted by: shindymindy 13th October 2021, 01:13 PM

Well I heard a group of 6/7 parents speaking about this while I was doing the school run this morning.
It was all negative towards Jesy and this live.

Posted by: troylovesmusic 13th October 2021, 02:10 PM

Zach raised some very good points in this video . He’s very much team Leigh Anne in the situation and seems to hint to have a bit of BTS tea as well.

Posted by: J00prstar 13th October 2021, 02:31 PM

Jesy is to me obviously not being 100% truthful.

Posted by: shindymindy 13th October 2021, 03:13 PM

Zach backtracked majorly following comments on his original video (reaction to Boyz video).
What he says in the above video is good though.

Posted by: 365 13th October 2021, 08:58 PM

His videos are often annoying to me but this was BRILLIANT.

Posted by: Yousee 13th October 2021, 09:06 PM

I can't watch 40 minutes of Zach Campbell no matter how brilliant he promises to sound.

Posted by: Tafty³³³ 13th October 2021, 10:08 PM

One of the top comments in that video is v interesting and something that never really occurred to me until now:

I think this is a very valid point and a point I've never really thought about until now.

Also, agree with you guys that more times than not Zach annoys me, but he made some excellent points and he did it without attacking Jesy or Nicki. It was more of a "I'm sorry but NO. We are NOT doing this" kinda thing. Interesting that he seems to know a bit more BTS and that it seemingly looks like they've tried to have it out with Jesy before.... but I'm not going to bother even thinking about that too much until I hear it from Leigh or the other girls (even Jesy if she was to do a proper interview about it and be honest and raw with it). Coz I'm bored of influencers getting directly involved and inserting themselves in this rn.

Posted by: shadow2009 13th October 2021, 10:15 PM

Zach interviewed Jade and Leigh at one point late 2019. I bet tea was spilled.

Posted by: Muzkik85 14th October 2021, 10:28 AM

I just think Jesy is quite naive. She obviously is cautious of what she absorbs online and her team and now gone with toxic positivity only allowing her to see good things.

She will never be able to grow if she isn't given room to. I think her team are doing her dirty. The comments about her dad today just make the entire campaign feel like a big x factor intro sob story.

Jesy is legit funny and I think the excessive tanning is more about her covering insecurities (like wearing head to toe blavk) than anything else, but the rest of it is appropriation.

I would be surprised if those DMs are real from Leigh. I don't think she's naive enough to do it. I hope not anyway. But Jesys biggest down falls recently have been her absolute ignorance to Leigh's suffering about racism in the group and now laughing along to Nicki bullying her.

For me, and I'm sure it's not the case, it feels like she's now taken the role of victim and that's her role.

Posted by: jsweetxe 14th October 2021, 10:31 AM

one thing i will say about this is that he called Jade white, and that needs to be nipped in the bud.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 14th October 2021, 10:45 AM

I wanted Little Mix to reply at first but I think they've done the correct thing in being classy.

Posted by: jsweetxe 14th October 2021, 10:48 AM

if the tabloid stuff is true apparently little mix have been advised not to speak on it - which is probably for the best anyway.

Posted by: Tafty³³³ 14th October 2021, 11:40 AM

Yeah I noticed that too! I was like... "ermmm... haven't you MET her and Leigh!?"

Posted by: troylovesmusic 14th October 2021, 12:15 PM

He corrected himself and bit said she’s mixed with something . Jade herself says sometimes she gets passed as white passing so it’s a common mistake .

Posted by: Slayer 14th October 2021, 12:20 PM

I hope Jesy is okay, even though she's not handled some of these things well, I do hope she's got supportive people around her.

She's turned off all comments on every single one of her instagram posts, which I don't blame her as some of the comments were so so disgusting.

Posted by: ___∆___ 14th October 2021, 02:16 PM

That’s what I’ve said all along - where are her label, team, advisors, management? You can turn comments off on Instagram but that doesn’t resolve the problem.

She will also be fully aware of the wave of support for LM and the kind of backlash she’s facing at the start of her solo career makes me worry that all the ‘yes’ people currently surrounding her will fade away when the hits don’t come rolling in as expected.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 14th October 2021, 02:24 PM

I hope she’s ok too but again it’s the constant avoiding the situation rather than addressing it and apologising!

The issue is her team allowed her to sit on a live with Nicki talking about all these issues, disregarding them, claiming no one told her about blackfishing and it was never raised to her there’s stories all the way back to 2017/18 where POC have said to her and obviously Leigh directly after the SM video.


Even if she doesn’t apologise for her tan / video I feel like she really needs to address everything apologise to her fans for any controversy and make reference to apologising to Leigh (even if she doesn’t name her) I hate the fact with her or her team they just block it all out constantly!

I guess that will never happen as she’s hardly going to go against Nicki especially as she’s seen first hand how hard she goes in.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 14th October 2021, 03:09 PM

Who cares about Nicki Minaj and her backlash?? She is going to FLOP so hard next time and it'll be completely deserved. Supporting rapist, paedos, blackfishing and even commenting on people's Tik Tok's saying they need to get a life and clapping back to fans. She is coming across desperate and much like Azealia Banks. A whole ass CHILD.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 14th October 2021, 03:18 PM

I must say, seeing just how vile Nicki Minaj really is during all this has been an eye-opener (even though I already had a fair idea)

That woman seriously has a screw loose

Posted by: jsweetxe 14th October 2021, 04:44 PM

nohun has posted yet another vile video, this down aimed directly at Leigh, even calling her a shady little bitch. Nice to see this is what Jesy’s legacy includes.

Posted by: Benji89 14th October 2021, 04:46 PM

From Popbitch:


>> Bad boyz <<
The Nelson column

As publicity campaigns go, it's genuinely hard to imagine how the rollout for Jesy Nelson's Boyz could have been any more bizarre. To remind you of the timeline so far:

First, the big VMAs performance was cancelled in a cloud of anti-vax speculation. Then the single got pushed back when Nicki Minaj sparked a three-day international news cycle about her cousin's friend's balls. After months of stalled hype, the song was finally released to a chorus of blackfishing accusations. And Jesy and Nicki's attempts to clear the air on Instagram Live only served to pour petrol on the flames of a fight with her former bandmates (one that has raged so far out of control that there are now headlines about how Jesy has blocked Perrie Edwards' dog on Instagram).

Sources from the Jesy camp have been in the press the last few days trying to express their sadness that the story has descended into a tawdry 'Jesy v Little Mix' fight – but that line is a little disingenuous.

Had it not been for the multiple obstacles that Nicki Minaj placed in the way throughout, the original plan had been to release Boyz back in August, in an attempt to torpedo the Little Mix 10th anniversary

Posted by: Benji89 14th October 2021, 04:47 PM

Doesn't seem to be anything new in there, not sure they've got the timeline fully correct either, thought i'd share anyway. Dodn't think it warranted its own thread

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 14th October 2021, 05:00 PM

embarrassing

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 14th October 2021, 05:04 PM

He is just trolling at this point, commenting at any clapback "stream Boyz". A complete and utter embarrassment and I won't give him the attention he so deeply craves.

Posted by: Slayer 14th October 2021, 05:10 PM

Well if Nohun is telling the truth, he's within his right to back himself when people are calling him a liar and nasty names, however I will not tolerate him slandering Leigh-Anne and calling her names. It is never okay to call anyone anything horrible.

I think if it wasn't real we'd have had a short statement, but the screenshots, screen recordings and it being shown on numerous lives prove it's real.

I just want Leigh-Anne and Jesy to talk things out (obviously unlikely to happen anytime soon while things are so fresh).

I would also like to see Jesy take some accountability and address things.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 14th October 2021, 05:15 PM

Let's be honest be doesn't care about Jesy or Leugh-Anne, he just cares about the clout that will hopefully be very short lived.

Posted by: Chemistry 14th October 2021, 05:15 PM

This is, yet again, wrong on so many levels. The whole "she is more masculine and more feminine" line is GROSS, like saying "she is the man and she is the woman" in a relationship which is such a homophobic thing to say and she should know better.

Posted by: Slayer 14th October 2021, 05:18 PM

Tbh he was a very big Little Mix stan, so i'm not sure if its fair to say whether he cares about them or not.

Plus he was quite a popular influencer in the first, but yes I agree this does help him get attention.

Posted by: JackTheeStallion 14th October 2021, 05:26 PM

He can't be that huge of a fan of he is helping to incite hatred towards Leigh-Anne and being this messy.

I know it's all down to opinion but I never understood how he was popular, he's not funny or interesting.

Posted by: jsweetxe 14th October 2021, 05:26 PM

screaming at these two lines.. either way it was always going to turn into Jesy vs Little Mix because of HER own doing?

Posted by: RobBot 14th October 2021, 05:32 PM

I think you’re overestimating how much control she has in things like deciding release dates, as opposed to her label.

Posted by: jsweetxe 14th October 2021, 05:39 PM

that's true, but it was her team saying they were sad it turned into this - even though they have control? and even then she would've lost a lot of fans, too - either way it wasn't a smart move?

Posted by: RobBot 14th October 2021, 05:47 PM

Oh, a stupid move. I think her team were probably expecting it to be a headline creating story and “all publicity is good publicity”. As this week has proved, that’s very evidently not the case and sometimes it can backfire big time.

This is all speculative, obviously.

Posted by: Tafty³³³ 14th October 2021, 06:47 PM

The sooner we stop giving that nohun attention the better. Who even are they!? How are they verified?

Hasn't he already deleted his Twitter? (I'm sure it was his, but then someone tagged him in a thread that "proved" the messages were faked and he deleted - Icr if it was him or some other person - Icr the name of the Twitter account now but I don't think it was nohun)

He had NO RIGHT getting involved in shit that didn't concern him?! LMAO. This was a Jesy/Leigh (+ Jade & Perrie ig) situation and a situation that could've easily been resolved. She didn't even say it seriously and more of a flippant response to his video, if he was telling the truth and they were real. She also had every right to be annoyed, the only foolish (but not wrong) thing L-A did in this was message a nobody about the situation. She had every right to vent, especially seeing as it's been said that she's tried to have conversations with Jesy about this very topic in the past.

I just honestly think Jesy needs a better PR team and better people around her. I really hope SHE is OK, coz I can't imagine it's doing too great for her mental health. Just a quick IG story saying "Sorry and she never meant to cause so much offense. It's all new to me and I'm still trying to learn" or whatever etc.. would suffice*, but nope. Going on IG live with Nicki was somehow the better option, despite knowing full well Nicki was going to be talking about it and (very likely) to make it much worse than what it was.

* - not saying people wouldn't tear the apology apart, but it'd show she was aware of it and trying to make some kind of change with it etc..

Posted by: tommie 15th October 2021, 06:03 AM

As other people have unfortunately said, she doesn't strike me as a very bright person. That's fine - Brad Pitt as an example seems dumb like a rock, but is at least smart enough to surround himself with the right PR to make up for his lack of brains. Jesy needs to do the same so she stops putting her foot in her mouth.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 15th October 2021, 06:18 AM

Nohun isn’t a true Little Mix fan he’s used them to build a profile (Surely that’s obvious now)

I keep seeing it all the time, random ‘review’ videos on YouTube with people who are clearly not interested but use the name to get views....

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 15th October 2021, 09:34 AM

i just think it’s worse that jesy’s team shared nohun’s video, surely jesy could have asked them to remove it ?

Posted by: shadow2009 26th October 2021, 04:31 PM

Lol. It's bizarre to me that people are actually supporting Jesy and think anyone who criticises her or points out that she's flopping is a 'hater!!'. You sound exactly like her.

This isn't a Jesy Nelson Appreciation Thread. It's a thread to discuss the song and the chart performance of it is going to be one of the key discussions here. If I want to come here and point out that she's flopping then I will. It doesn't make me a hater. I don't even hate Jesy. I think she's been really stupid lately and i hope this backfires completely on her and she acknowledges and apologizes about what she's done - does that mean I hate her?

The song isn't doing well. It's out of the Spotify top 50 already, it's YouTube views have slowed down dramatically, it's falling on all metrics and this is supposed to be the big launch single leading to more singles and an album. How is it much of an achievement that it went top 5 it's debut week when everyone in the UK clearly checked it out of interest/curiosity and then abandoned it the next weeks when they realised how f***ing awful it is? If you want to celebrate that meaningless arbitary number 5 chart position then do it, but don't act like anyone coming here and telling you that it will be remembered as a huge flop and an embarrassment of a release in future is only doing so because you think they're some 12 year old who genuinely cares enough to have hatred towards a stranger.

Can I ask you what exactly her appeal is that makes you root for her so much? I don't get it. She threw Leigh-Anne under a bus and laughed as she was insulted by Nicki on an Instagram Live with 100K people watching, ignored all requests by Leigh to stop blackfishing, failed to support Leigh's documentary about racism, completely copied and pasted Diddy's song AND video offering nothing unique or creative and then she blocks anyone who calls her out and insists they're only doing so because they're jealous.

What exactly is it that you're supporting her for? Fair enough if you like the song and think it's a bop but to actually be so adamant that she's completely in the right and think she deserves success after her behaviour is so strange to me. People who show toxic and awful behaviour do not deserve to be celebrated. Your loyalty should be towards Leigh and the other girls here.

Posted by: Slayer 26th October 2021, 05:01 PM

It is bizarre to me that you think you have the right to tell me how I should feel and that I should pick a side. As previously mentioned everyone has a right to an opinion, so respect mine. I respect others as long as they are respectful, your comments and others have not been and show no common courtesy to those who have asked for a single thread for peace where actual fans of the song can discuss it.

Please do not even downplay the fact this song went Top 5, when this is an amazing achievement whether you like it or not. All of us are happy when LM achieve that, yet here you are when it is Jesy saying it is not a big deal, i'm sorry but that is a load of BS. If Boyz is a 'big flop', I hate to think what L(SL) may be, the lead single from a new album considering its abysmal chart run so far - which I do not comment on as I respect the girls and it is what it is and i appreciate people like the song. I don't go in threads saying how embarrassing it is and what an awful start it is for their new album campaign. It is called showing respect, try it maybe?

Also, I'm sorry but who on earth are you to tell me who my loyalty should be with? I do not believe Leigh is some angel in this situation either - EVERYONE has done something not right. I do not appreciate constantly being told by people i'm guessing are not a POC how I should feel about this whole situation. Just because you do not like Jesy does not give you the right to tell me I should not support her or root for her to do well.

I have not once said she's completely in the right with everything, but Leigh certainly is not either. She should not have been messaging people to make horrible videos about someone she first hand knows suffered so badly with mental health issues led her to trying to kill herself. Do not bore me with 'the screenshots are fake', it has been proven multiple times they are real. It is just plain nasty to message someone who has a large platform to incite hate about someone knowing how much it'll effect their mental health.

Why on earth would Jesy defend someone who is messaging people to be nasty about her? I hardly doubt you would defend a former friend who did that, I definitely would not. Especially when that said person is calling someone out for black fishing but yet doesn't have the same energy for her best friend Gabrielle, i'm not here for people who pick and choose when something is an issue but holding different standards for someone who is their friend. You say Jesy shows toxic behaviour but i'm sorry what the hell was Leigh's behaviour? She is fully justified to be annoyed but to be messaging people to purposely get people to troll Jesy is not okay and that is extremely toxic. You would lose your mind if Jesy did anything similar about Leigh-Anne and rip her to shreds but because this was someone other than Jesy it is not an issue for you. Some fans just pick and choose what is an issue and are just hypocrites.

You say you don't hate Jesy but your responses say otherwise, I hate to think what you say about someone you do hate.

Also lets not start with she's copying other people, many artists use samples, especially LM too, most recently with L(SL). But it is again and issue when Jesy does it? Jesy made it quite clear it samples the song and she was re-making the video, so why on earth would you think it was would be original? How is any song with a sample original?

I support all four girls and continue to do so. I am not picking a side of being solely Team Jesy or Team Little Mix. You can support both, I choose to support both.

You have no right to tell me whether I should support someone or not. You're literally here telling me to turn on someone just to be a sheep and follow others opinions. I appreciate my opinion may not be the same as the majority, but I believe my voice as a POC should be heard and not ignored and completely disregarded.

All i'm saying is to be respectful even if you don't like someone. I personally still like Jesy and as a POC she has not offended me at all and I really enjoy BOYZ. So I get quite angry when people have the audacity to tell me, a POC how I should feel about this topic. It is incredibly insulting, especially when the people that say this to me are people that probably are not POC.

We can all like/dislike who we want as long as we are respectful. I tend not to follow threads of people i'm not fond of, out of respect for their fans.

Posted by: Yousee 26th October 2021, 05:11 PM

We need to borrow some of that ice Nicki Minaj eats and thow in here to bring down the temperature!

But Slayer, why do you keep saying Leigh was messaging people though? Thought it was just one person? Because saying she "keeps messaging people" is significantly different from messaging someone.
Maybe I'm biased, but I never actually read that message as Leigh seriously wanting him to make a video. Her last text was in the lines of "maybe I'm just fuming".

Posted by: Slayer 26th October 2021, 05:21 PM

Moved to this thread as the discussion was delving into the whole Instagram live thing again.

Yousee, I remember it was insinuated by the said influencer she messaged a few people but even if that was not the case, one person alone is bad.

Anyway, hopefully we can move on from this whole mess.

I believe there is wrong on both sides but will continue supporting all four girls.

Posted by: caseclosed 26th October 2021, 07:53 PM

I regret reading these last few posts.

Posted by: *Tim 26th October 2021, 08:13 PM

I don't think anyone thinks L(SL) to be a hit. It is a massive flop

Posted by: Yousee 27th October 2021, 04:08 AM

One person alone in anger/frustration can't be compared to messaging people. It's interesting that a mere insinuation by that dude has been the premise of a lot of your posts. Really interesting.

You have pointed out a few times that you're a person of colour, and of course nobody should tell you how to feel. All people of colour do not have the same experiences though, so it'sunderstandable that different things will offend different people. Blackfishing generally offends/affects black women more, for obvious reasons. Another person of colour who is not black, or even a black person who is not female, might understandably not feel as offended.

Posted by: Yousee 27th October 2021, 04:11 AM

Absolutely! And lots of people have outrightly and repeatedly called it a flop on Little Mix forums, and I didn't see people running around getting offended and accusing others of hating on Little Mix or not wishing them success.

Posted by: 365 27th October 2021, 12:23 PM

I really don't think it's fair to frame Leigh Anne as someone who's doing nasty things here, simply from having a reaction to racism and cultural appropriation. That makes me quite uncomfortable.

Posted by: tommie 27th October 2021, 12:27 PM

Aww, this thread is giving me very old school Sugababes in-fightning vibes. Good times, good times

Posted by: jsweetxe 27th October 2021, 12:54 PM

but it's really not? we KNOW that Leigh has brought up this topic with Jesy before (along with a myriad of fans) therefore she's perfectly within her right, as a black woman, to express her upset.

the only thing Leigh "did wrong" was responding to the wrong person - some loser influencer, but other than that she was within her right to vent and be frustrated/upset. Trying to paint her as someone who has done something wrong when JESY is the person who should be criticised here is plain wrong and not being able to see that is very weird?? It's willingly ignorant if you choose not to see it at this point. As a person of colour you should be empathising with Leigh-Anne as her former bandmate and friend/sister/family is literally appropriating her culture, allowing someone like Nicki to slate her to millions of followers and also allowing the media to paint her as the villain.

Little Mix/Leigh have done nothing wrong, this isn't "oh both have been bad!!" no, one side stabbed her friend in the back whilst claiming to be against bullying and the other side.. has simply done nothing. in FACT they've put their own album launch era on hold to allow it to blow over.

if you want to stan Jesy, go ahead, no one is stopping you - but when you try to skew it so Leigh is the villain? People are allowed to call that out.

Posted by: Ho-Lee Smokes 27th October 2021, 03:36 PM

the saturdays queen of no problems

Posted by: tommie 27th October 2021, 08:52 PM

They're also boring and no one is longing for them to reunite, so how did "no problems" go for them? x

Posted by: Muzkik85 28th October 2021, 01:33 AM

The Saturdays didn't have time for drama. Baby factory.