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 25th April 2017, 05:27 PM
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Yeah, I think it's wrong to claim that Macron vs Le Pen is a repeat of Trump vs Clinton.
After all, in the French run-off one of the candidates is an avowed populist with little political experience whose real policies and beliefs are very hard to pin down, who claims to speak for the working people despite the fact he made lots of money in finance, and has a wife whose age is vastly different to his own. The other candidate is a woman who is hoping to smash through the glass ceiling to become the first ever woman to become the President of her country, whilst the most powerful men in the country have banded together to stop her from ever taking on that role, whilst all the time trying to distance herself from the actions and beliefs of a male family member who shares her surname. Absolutely no parallels between the US election and the French election whatsoever. 
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25th April 2017, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Apr 25 2017, 06:27 PM)  Yeah, I think it's wrong to claim that Macron vs Le Pen is a repeat of Trump vs Clinton. After all, in the French run-off one of the candidates is an avowed populist with little political experience whose real policies and beliefs are very hard to pin down, who claims to speak for the working people despite the fact he made lots of money in finance, and has a wife whose age is vastly different to his own. The other candidate is a woman who is hoping to smash through the glass ceiling to become the first ever woman to become the President of her country, whilst the most powerful men in the country have banded together to stop her from ever taking on that role, whilst all the time trying to distance herself from the actions and beliefs of a male family member who shares her surname. Absolutely no parallels between the US election and the French election whatsoever. WELL. Another defeat for feminists. |
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25th April 2017, 07:44 PM
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Le Pen seems worse than Trump (if that's possible), I think she's just TOO far right to be elected in any country and came from a much lower support base so it's not much like Clinton/Toe Rag.
I'm confused, is she standing down before the election has even finished? 
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25th April 2017, 11:27 PM
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QUOTE(Andrew♀ @ Apr 25 2017, 08:44 PM) Le Pen seems worse than Trump (if that's possible), I think she's just TOO far right to be elected in any country and came from a much lower support base so it's not much like Clinton/Toe Rag. I'm confused, is she standing down before the election has even finished? She's standing down as leader of the FN but is still staying in the election. It seems to be an attempt to portray herself as an individual rather than someone tied to a party, in her case as fascist party. Let's hope French voters aren't stupid enough to fall for that. |
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26th April 2017, 12:03 AM
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QUOTE(Harve @ Apr 25 2017, 05:50 PM) It really doesn't. Le Pen is so much further behind. We're talking about 98% Macron vs. 2% Le Pen chance rather than 70% Clinton vs. 30% Trump. Polls were also incredibly accurate for the first round, with no real outliers. To be fair, there were several supposedly reliable sources that had Clinton as a ~99% favourite to win as well. Although then again as far as I know there's no way in France for the candidate with less votes to win, so we can probably treat this as a foregone conclusion. Probably. |
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26th April 2017, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE(Brer @ Apr 26 2017, 01:03 AM) To be fair, there were several supposedly reliable sources that had Clinton as a ~99% favourite to win as well. It's probably more of a salutary lesson that anything within five points probably isn't a 99% chance. This post has been edited by Qassändra: 26th April 2017, 10:11 AM |
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26th April 2017, 01:42 PM
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I was convinced Trump would win with the slender margins and silent voters and appealing to the lowest common denominator. Also, the fact that Hillary was and is NOT popular. 99% always seemed ridiculous. I think it was more the HOPE Trump would not win which made people say she was 99%.
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30th April 2017, 04:11 PM
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Le Pen has been creeping up on Macron in the polls and has named Nicolas Dupont-Aignan as her pick for Prime Minister if she were to win. He's a part of the DLF party who got 4.7% of the vote in the first round and it'll be the FN's first party alliance in 45 years. She has also softened her position over the Euro, stating that if everyone agreed it could take a year or year and a half to make the plans necessary for the reintroduction of the Franc and her Niece stated talks with the EU over France's position in it and use of the Euro could take many months/years.
Momentum is currently in Le Pen's favour and even though Macron still has a significant lead over her in the polls, things could get interesting if she keeps the momentum going until Election day. |
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3rd May 2017, 07:21 PM
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Le Pen and Macron are now live and debating with each other on French TV. The debate is going to last another 2 hours, will be interesting to see how good/badly it goes for both candidates. It's Le Pen's last chance to close the gap significantly before the election this Sunday.
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3rd May 2017, 08:50 PM
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Who's Daniel btw ?
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QUOTE(Envoirment @ May 3 2017, 07:21 PM) Le Pen and Macron are now live and debating with each other on French TV. The debate is going to last another 2 hours, will be interesting to see how good/badly it goes for both candidates. It's Le Pen's last chance to close the gap significantly before the election this Sunday. Watching it and she is diabolical. She's worse than Trump, being agressive and avoiding all the questions about her program. That's scary. I hope people see it clear now, she's a danger for the human kind. |
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3rd May 2017, 09:26 PM
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I've caught a few clips of it on the news. The set-up and set for the debate is quite something - it's looks more like a gameshow than a political debate - complete with each of the candidates having a large clock detailing just how much time each of them has spoken for.
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5th May 2017, 07:06 AM
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Who's Daniel btw ?
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Le Pen lost 3 points in the last polls after her debacle at the debate, good news! Last day of campaign today, it's so tense. |
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7th May 2017, 04:22 PM
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Turnout in the French Election is lower than the last two and the lowest it's been since 1981 so far. A lower turnout is what most analysts said Le Pen would need to be in with a chance against Macron.
Turnout is 65.3% at 17:00 local time. Last election is was 72% at the same time in 2012 and 75.1% at the same time in 2007. Link I still don't think Le Pen will win, but she may finish a little closer than the polls predict. This post has been edited by Envoirment: 7th May 2017, 04:23 PM |
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7th May 2017, 05:08 PM
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http://www.lalibre.be/
Belgian and Swiss sites pretty certain about a Macron victory of around 62-63%, according to IPSOS info. France still has an embargo. The site above is one of the big two French-speaking Belgian newspapers, the other says the same. QUOTE Selon des données Ipsos dont LaLibre.be a pris connaissance, Emmanuel Macron serait en tźte avec plus de 63% des suffrages exprimés face ą Marine Le Pen qui n'atteindrait donc pas la barre des 40%.
Voici les détails des estimations en faveur du candidat "En Marche!" selon quatre autres instituts ą 18h30 : - 66% selon Ifop - entre 62 et 65% selon Harris - entre 63 et 64% selon BVA - entre 62 et 63% selon Opinionway Le nombre de votes blancs et nuls serait historiquement haut, autour de 13%. La participation ą 17h était ą un niveau bas, ą 65,30%. Cela présage d'une abstention historiquement élevée, estimée ą 26,8%. This post has been edited by Harve: 7th May 2017, 05:11 PM |
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7th May 2017, 05:12 PM
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French embargo is in place until the polls close oui?
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7th May 2017, 05:17 PM
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Remember exit polls had Hillary outstripping Trump across most states and had Obama losing Illinois in a landslide!
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7th May 2017, 05:31 PM
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Who's Daniel btw ?
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QUOTE(Silas @ May 7 2017, 05:12 PM) French embargo is in place until the polls close oui? Yes, they're closing at 8pm in the biggest towns, which is the time we'll have the results. I'm quite surprised there are "exit polls" figures online as all the institutes previously said they wouldn't do exit polls. |
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7th May 2017, 05:50 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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Glad it's looking good with those polls!
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7th May 2017, 06:12 PM
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Watching Le Pen now and she's actually nuts.
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7th May 2017, 06:13 PM
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Le Pen has conceded. Sighs of relief all round.
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