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Popchartfreak View member profile	29th March 2018, 08:59 PM Post #21
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,821 User: 17,376	In a "you couldnt make it up" moment Count Dankula has blocked comic scriptwriter Graham Linehan from his twitter account for slaggin him off. So much for the freedom to offend then.....


Popchartfreak View member profile	24th April 2018, 07:01 AM Post #22
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,821 User: 17,376	worth posting the court opinion on the fine issued: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/196...-v-Mark-Meechan


vidcapper View member profile	24th April 2018, 07:08 AM Post #23
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Apr 24 2018, 08:01 AM) worth posting the court opinion on the fine issued: http://www.scotland-judiciary.org.uk/8/196...-v-Mark-Meechan IMO he was lucky to get away with just an £800 fine for such a deliberately provocative act!


Popchartfreak View member profile	26th April 2018, 07:59 PM Post #24
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,821 User: 17,376	oh and he's up to 133k in his gofundme account - that's a bit like walking down the street, screaming "Gas the Jews" with his performing dog and getting mugs to hand over shitloads of cash to pay his begging fine of £800. I wonder if the Scottish court fine (based on his income only) is aware of this additional lucrative cashflow...? Moral: supporting right-wing fascist causes can make you very wealthy. I wonder why they do it....? Hmmmm if only I had a performing cat with a Hitler brow.....


Popchartfreak View member profile	27th April 2018, 07:34 AM Post #25
BuzzJack Legend Joined: 18 July 2012 Posts: 22,821 User: 17,376	...and in a final twist of irony, supporters of "freedom of speech" and the right to offend have reported Graham Linehan for slagging off Count Duckula and others to Twitter in an attempt (failed) to get him banned. Hilarious! "comedy" writer fined for crossing the line (according to court records, it was minimal use of the argument for free speech in the defence, which he was insisting is the case) tries to get comedy writer banned. Hah!


kindagood View member profile	8th May 2018, 01:57 PM Post #26
BuzzJack Climber Joined: 28 September 2007 Posts: 198 User: 4,413	QUOTE(vidcapper @ Mar 16 2018, 05:42 PM) But if the opportunity to report an offence is not taken at the first opportunity, surely it weakens their case if done so subsequently, if for no other reason than the passage of time makes it ever harder to prove such cases? Only as long as the law is applied equally to all victims of hate crimes, not just those seen as traditional victims. What do you mean when you say all hate crime victims? Not just those traditionally seen as victims? You do realise this is a pretty meaningless statement! A hate crime involves reinforcing the structural oppression of an individual by targeting that which makes the victim a target. A hate crime cannot be committed against someone who has the privilege of the majority, whether that be white, heterosexual, or male privilege. This post has been edited by kindagood: 8th May 2018, 01:59 PM


vidcapper View member profile	8th May 2018, 03:30 PM Post #27
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(kindagood @ May 8 2018, 02:57 PM) What do you mean when you say all hate crime victims? Not just those traditionally seen as victims? You do realise this is a pretty meaningless statement! A hate crime involves reinforcing the structural oppression of an individual by targeting that which makes the victim a target. A hate crime cannot be committed against someone who has the privilege of the majority, whether that be white, heterosexual, or male privilege. Oh really - then how would you describe the child abuse scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale etc, given who the perpetrators & victims mostly were?


kindagood View member profile	8th May 2018, 09:19 PM Post #28
BuzzJack Climber Joined: 28 September 2007 Posts: 198 User: 4,413	QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 9 2018, 01:30 AM) Oh really - then how would you describe the child abuse scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale etc, given who the perpetrators & victims mostly were? While abhorrent. It is not a hate crime This post has been edited by kindagood: 8th May 2018, 09:20 PM


kindagood View member profile	8th May 2018, 10:19 PM Post #29
BuzzJack Climber Joined: 28 September 2007 Posts: 198 User: 4,413	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 9 2018, 07:54 AM) Sex crimes you racist f*** Although I understand your anger, do you believe being abusive is helpful in this situation? Isn't it better to try and educate in a situation like this. I understand the view this poster has. They clearly don't get that people who are from minority populations can't committ hate crimes because they do not have the power to do so. Yes they can committ dreadful, nasty crimes, but no these aren't hate crimes because they are perpertrated against someone from the majority group. Hate crimes are poorly understood by those who have privilege, mostly because this privilege is silent. Most of us who share privilege are completely unaware of it, because we often don't realise it, we too have struggles in our daily lives, and don't recognise the advantages we do have over people considered 'other' because we too feel life's struggle. Now think how much harder that struggle would be if everyday you were also judged and treated differently because of something you can't change,race, sex, sexual orientation, etc... that is when a crime becomes a hate crime, when the perpertrater is targetting this otherness as a driving factor in the crime. It cant be otherness if you are white, because that is the accepted majority. So race hate crimes only affect those from non white groups, and hate based sexual orientation crimes only affect non-heterosexuals, and hate based gender crimes only affect women, these are the disadvataged groups in our society. The media needs to play a part in this education, instead of reinforcing privilege.


Silas View member profile	8th May 2018, 10:27 PM Post #30
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,081 User: 3,474	We've been attempting to educate him for more than a decade without any success. Sometimes you just need to cut through the BS smokescreen call a spade a spade, or in this case, a racist a racist.


kindagood View member profile	8th May 2018, 10:47 PM Post #31
BuzzJack Climber Joined: 28 September 2007 Posts: 198 User: 4,413	He may be a racist, but that doesn't excuse someone abusing him. Whether he gets it or not. Instead of abuse you should feel pity for him. If he doesn't have the ability to emphasise with disadvantaged groups, the chances are his own life is empty and lacking love. This is when tolerance of the messenger, but not the message is required. A hard thing to always stick too, but attacking him will only reinforce his view and shut down a dialogue which may take a lifetime to convince him.


vidcapper View member profile	9th May 2018, 05:49 AM Post #32
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(kindagood @ May 8 2018, 10:19 PM) While abhorrent. It is not a hate crime QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 8 2018, 10:54 PM) Sex crimes you racist f* There;s no need to be abusive, The method I use to decide in such cases is to flip the victims & perpetrators round - e.g. if white men had been abusing Asian girls, I doubt there's be a media outlet in the country who wouldn't describe it as a racist crime - even the Daily Mail! QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 8 2018, 11:27 PM) We've been attempting to educate him for more than a decade without any success. Sometimes you just need to cut through the BS smokescreen call a spade a spade, or in this case, a racist a racist. While I have been on Buzzjack for over 10 years, I certainly have not been posting to N&P anywhere near that long, so before you abuse me, at least get your facts correct! On doing a search, I found that with the exception of a single post in 2014, I never posted here (or at least started a topic) before May 2017. As for The Lounge, I first posted there in 2010, but not regularly until 2012. I used to upset people there with my postings about rap, so I just keep my opinions about it to myself nowadays. This post has been edited by vidcapper**: 9th May 2018, 06:13 AM


Silas View member profile	9th May 2018, 07:12 AM Post #33
Queen of Soon Joined: 24 May 2007 Posts: 74,081 User: 3,474	Yeah your opinions have been accused of having racist intent for a decade and people have been objecting to that for a decade but that’s not the point at hand here. It doesn’t matter the racial make up of the perpetrators and victims, it will always be a sex crime.


vidcapper View member profile	9th May 2018, 07:46 AM Post #34
Paul Hyett Joined: 4 April 2006 Posts: 25,346 User: 364	QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ May 9 2018, 08:12 AM) Yeah your opinions have been accused of having racist intent for a decade and people have been objecting to that for a decade but that’s not the point at hand here. But my dislike of rap was never race-based anyway - but I digress. QUOTE It doesn’t matter the racial make up of the perpetrators and victims, it will always be a sex crime. I've never denied that, but that in itself doesn't mean there ware no racial undertones to the abuse - even the Guardian doesn't ignore that possibility entirely... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/fe...ation-stovewood Or maybe you consider even drawing attention to the possibility, as itself being racist?


kindagood View member profile	9th May 2018, 08:48 AM Post #35
BuzzJack Climber Joined: 28 September 2007 Posts: 198 User: 4,413	QUOTE(vidcapper @ May 9 2018, 03:49 PM) There;s no need to be abusive, The method I use to decide in such cases is to flip the victims & perpetrators round - e.g. if white men had been abusing Asian girls, I doubt there's be a media outlet in the country who wouldn't describe it as a racist crime - even the Daily Mail! While I have been on Buzzjack for over 10 years, I certainly have not been posting to N&P anywhere near that long, so before you abuse me, at least get your facts correct! On doing a search, I found that with the exception of a single post in 2014, I never posted here (or at least started a topic) before May 2017. As for The Lounge, I first posted there in 2010, but not regularly until 2012. I used to upset people there with my postings about rap, so I just keep my opinions about it to myself nowadays. But that is the point of a hate crime. You can't just flip it around. The inequality minority groups face can't be flipped around and be experienced by the majority group. There is the other dimension that not all crime by say whites against blacks, Asians, etc is a hate crime. There has to be a clear intent that the difference was a factor. Inequality is a component of society, and those with privilege don't, and can't experience it.