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Posted by: Jonjo 6th December 2019, 07:12 AM

Lets have a thread for her album. Released at some point in the next few years.

She has confirmed that fan favourite 'Salt' will be on all platforms from 12th December!



I don't think it's a single, but hopefully it means it'll be on the album.

Posted by: 𝕮𝖖𝖒x 6th December 2019, 08:19 AM

Haven’t heard this track, but apparently it’s super good? ohmy.gif

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 6th December 2019, 10:42 AM

I don't feel confident an album will actually happen at this stage.

Posted by: Michael Bubré 6th December 2019, 11:25 PM

'Salt' is absolutely ancient, I heard it before I even heard 'Sweet But Psycho'...! It's an ok song but I don't see it saving her rapid career downturn oops

Posted by: ___∆___ 7th December 2019, 06:53 PM

‘Salt’ has been available for 1+ year and is definitely not a career saver



I agree that we’re not going to see an album anytime soon - SBP and SAI are distant memories now, she’s basically starting from scratch and needs 2 consecutive big singles at least before launching an album.

Posted by: Wall 9th December 2019, 11:28 PM

Insane how wrong this campaign has went

Posted by: Lissa Martin 10th December 2019, 05:34 AM

Just listening to this one.

Posted by: WinterFreeze 12th December 2019, 04:38 PM

What’s happening here? It isn’t on iTunes or Spotify.

Was it pushed back?

Posted by: Lee_J11 12th December 2019, 06:22 PM

It’s out on my Apple Music now?

Posted by: WinterFreeze 12th December 2019, 06:24 PM

QUOTE(Lee_J11 @ Dec 12 2019, 06:22 PM) *
It’s out on my Apple Music now?


Ah it’s out now. Must’ve come out at 5am Australian time.

Thanks

Posted by: Wall 13th December 2019, 10:09 AM

QUOTE(𝕮𝖖𝖒x @ Dec 6 2019, 08:19 AM) *
Haven’t heard this track, but apparently it’s super good? ohmy.gif


I heard. It’s not.

Posted by: Bjork 13th December 2019, 11:09 AM

but it's the same as the old version, isn't it?

Posted by: 𝕮𝖖𝖒x 13th December 2019, 06:38 PM

This is really good!

Posted by: JosephCarey 13th December 2019, 10:21 PM

Salt is FABULOUS!!

Posted by: slowdown73 17th December 2019, 02:29 PM

Salt is a nice upbeat track but it’s not going to be another big break through hit sadly.

Posted by: ___∆___ 17th December 2019, 03:42 PM

Sweet But Psycho #1 (Platinum x 2)
So Am I #13 (Gold)
Torn #87
Salt #DNC

OUCH!

Posted by: Bjork 17th December 2019, 03:45 PM

well Salt could still be pushed it in January, let's not call songs a flop after 72 hours

Posted by: Jonjo 17th December 2019, 03:45 PM

Salt isn't a single though tbf.

Posted by: Jack 19th December 2019, 08:58 PM

Someone lied several times when they said 'Salt' was good or a bop, it's nothing of the sort, it's nothing like that at all.

Posted by: 𝕮𝖖𝖒x 19th December 2019, 09:04 PM

Salt is fantastic wtf

Posted by: Michael Bubré 19th December 2019, 09:07 PM

'Salt' is a better song than I remember it being tbh. Once again not nearly as good as 'Sweet But Psycho' of course.

Posted by: Envoirment 19th December 2019, 09:11 PM

"Salt" is pretty bland, doesn't really go anywhere. A shame as I was hoping she would break through in a big way after "Sweet but Psycho".

Posted by: Wall 22nd December 2019, 12:06 AM

I legit think she’s going to struggle with any single now unless she gets a big feature, spotify after hammering her seem to have stopped!

Posted by: TomHo 22nd December 2019, 07:18 PM

I really like Salt smile.gif

Posted by: December Dong 22nd December 2019, 07:20 PM

Man aaalive is that the title?! It's even worse than LM5!!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd December 2019, 09:24 AM

QUOTE(December Dong @ Dec 22 2019, 07:20 PM) *
Man aaalive is that the title?! It's even worse than LM5!!


Of course not! There is no album.

Posted by: ___∆___ 23rd December 2019, 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Dec 23 2019, 09:24 AM) *
Of course not! There is no album.


This and there ain’t gonna be one anytime soon tongue.gif

Posted by: Wall 21st January 2020, 12:19 AM

Sweet but Psycho is the only song that will be on the album from music that she’s released. So Am I, Torn, Salt and On Somebody will not be on the album. It seems like On Somebody is over already, not that anybody is surprised.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 21st January 2020, 04:04 PM

QUOTE(Wall @ Jan 21 2020, 12:19 AM) *
Sweet but Psycho is the only song that will be on the album from music that she’s released. So Am I, Torn, Salt and On Somebody will not be on the album. It seems like On Somebody is over already, not that anybody is surprised.


Where's this info from?

Posted by: Bjork 21st January 2020, 06:49 PM

I read it at Popjustice too, that the debut album is just Psycho + 13 new songs
and none of the other singles has made it (Torn, So Am I, etc)

Posted by: Bjork 21st January 2020, 06:52 PM

this is apparently what she said:
"I'm really looking forward to it, everyone may think that the album will include the singles that are currently released, but in fact the album will only include "Sweet But Psycho". The other 13 songs are all new songs. ”

but they link to a Japanese website so cannot get the original
https://www.niusnews.com/=P2iu57u5

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 21st January 2020, 07:07 PM

I'm still sceptical we'll even get an album. laugh.gif

Weird that 'So Am I' at least wouldn't be put on there.

Posted by: Bjork 21st January 2020, 07:28 PM

makes no sense especially since she put a new song out 2/3 weeks ago

Posted by: Wall 21st January 2020, 07:31 PM

I don’t expect her label thought how bad it would perform.

I can’t see an album happening anytime soon, she’s lost Spotify and radio.

Posted by: Bjork 23rd January 2020, 02:47 PM

what is really bizarre, Salt is now track #1 on Hot Hits Denmark

why are they pushing it now if it'snot gonna b on the album?

Posted by: Jordan Lee 23rd January 2020, 03:59 PM

I really hope that this album actually comes.

She has so much potential and I feel she can still claw back the success she experienced at the start of 2019.

Posted by: Bjork 26th January 2020, 05:31 PM

Salt starting to be a hit all over Scandinavia!!

Posted by: Cqmerqn 26th January 2020, 05:38 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jan 26 2020, 05:31 PM) *
Salt starting to be a hit all over Scandinavia!!

I noticed that :’)

Posted by: tommie 26th January 2020, 06:04 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jan 26 2020, 06:31 PM) *
Salt starting to be a hit all over Scandinavia!!


It's her feature on Alone, Pt II that's helping this here basically.

Posted by: Bjork 26th January 2020, 06:36 PM

nope, it's cos she's been added to all the playlists, she's track #1 on Hot Hits Denmark for instance

Posted by: tommie 26th January 2020, 06:58 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jan 26 2020, 07:36 PM) *
nope, it's cos she's been added to all the playlists, she's track #1 on Hot Hits Denmark for instance


Why do you think she's been added to those lists though? It's pretty obvious that featuring on a Norwegian's record is helping her get on those lists to begin with - So Am I did similarly "meh" here and Torn did nothing. I doubt they just all of a sudden decided to support Salt (which isn't even a proper single?) for no reason at all. tongue.gif

Posted by: Jonjo 13th February 2020, 12:46 AM



Lol.

I'll believe it when I see it!

Posted by: SophieMax 13th February 2020, 10:33 AM

Her birthday is on Sunday does that mean surprise release?

Posted by: LMLou 13th February 2020, 11:17 AM

In terms of success she probably would’ve been better releasing an album full of fillers after SBP than she would be releasing a better album now

Posted by: Rob 13th February 2020, 12:03 PM

She's never getting an album out at this rate. All momentum is long gone.

Posted by: HospitalWard* 17th April 2020, 11:45 AM

Salt has a new remix out today.


Posted by: ___∆___ 17th April 2020, 05:08 PM

#41 kink.gif

Posted by: SophieMax 17th April 2020, 05:20 PM

Ava has confirmed on Twitter that her album is coming this summer

https://twitter.com/avamax/status/1250891471865049088?s=21

Posted by: Andrew. 17th April 2020, 05:27 PM

That's the definition of 'sure, jan' kink.gif

I actually like all her solo singles lol (although So Am I has aged like milk) but I'm not sure how well an album of hers would do even if this becomes a hit. Still mildly excited though.

Posted by: Juan Carlos 29th July 2020, 03:19 AM

If this isn't album related...






Posted by: Juan Carlos 29th July 2020, 03:34 AM

Nevermind. The tweets above are album related and her debut album is called Heaven & Hell.



https://avamax.lnk.to/heavenandhell

Posted by: WinterFreeze 29th July 2020, 05:21 AM

I wonder how many of the previously released songs will male the album.

Sweet But Psycho, Kings and Queens & her new one will.

So Am I, Torn, Blood Sweat and Tears, Freaking Me Out, Salt and On Somebody are the others. Do we think they’ll appear on the album?

Posted by: JulianNial 29th July 2020, 08:31 AM

QUOTE(WinterFreeze @ Jul 29 2020, 06:21 AM) *
I wonder how many of the previously released songs will male the album.

Sweet But Psycho, Kings and Queens & her new one will.

So Am I, Torn, Blood Sweat and Tears, Freaking Me Out, Salt and On Somebody are the others. Do we think they’ll appear on the album?


I think it'd be dumb not to at least include 'Salt' and possibly 'So Am I' on a Digital/Streaming Deluxe. I'm a big fan of 'Freaking Me Out' so I'm sad it most likely won't make it.

I'm getting why she has been rocking the orange hair now. I kinda like the concept, not gonna lie. But that font is gross. What is she selling? Runescape?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 29th July 2020, 09:29 AM

That font really is awful. Kylie is forgiven.

When is it released?

Posted by: Cameron 29th July 2020, 09:47 AM

Makes sense why it randomly says: Part I: Heaven in the Kings & Queens video

Posted by: *Tim 29th July 2020, 09:49 AM

The cover looks great except for the godawful Prosecco Huns type of font

Posted by: slowdown73 29th July 2020, 11:36 AM

It’s out 18th September according to Amazon!

Posted by: Jonjoliday 29th July 2020, 04:59 PM

QUOTE(*Tim @ Jul 29 2020, 10:49 AM) *
The cover looks great except for the godawful Prosecco Huns type of font
Pretty much.

That font is horrific. But I'm excited there's an actual announcement �� (but imma wait until I've finished listening to the album to believe it's actually real :') lmao)

Posted by: lewistgreen 29th July 2020, 05:31 PM

The font is very 00s budget rapper album.

Posted by: Wall 29th July 2020, 05:54 PM

Keep it

Posted by: Juan Carlos 29th July 2020, 07:47 PM

Officially announced.


Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 29th July 2020, 08:26 PM

Horrific artwork HAHA.

I would of bought this had the artwork not been so budget and horrendous.

For me Ava Max is the biggest disappointment in the last decade, massive debut single and then on/off mediocre hits...

I can't get over how bad it is...

Posted by: MrAndrewMan 29th July 2020, 08:58 PM

I'm excited for new stuff from her - but I really don't like that album cover. nono.gif

Posted by: legendsglory 29th July 2020, 09:04 PM

That album cover is terrible laugh.gif

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 29th July 2020, 09:06 PM

It's so bad that I really like it laugh.gif

Posted by: LMLou 29th July 2020, 09:19 PM

The artwork is awful! The idea of a mirrored heaven and hell concept is cool but all they done was photoshop her hair? Still excited for the music though

Posted by: slowdown73 29th July 2020, 11:41 PM

It’s available to preorder on amazon. Anybody know if there will be a deluxe edition?

Posted by: JosephStyles 30th July 2020, 05:33 PM

Tracklist!

1. Heaven
2. Kings & Queens
3. Naked
4. Tattoo
5. OMG What's Happening
6. Call Me Tonight
7. Born to the Night
8. Torn
9. Take You to Hell
10. Who's Laughing Now
11. Belladonna
12. Wild Thing
13. So Am I
14. Salt
15. Sweet But Psycho

I'm glad Torn's not been left out wub.gif she's included my favourites of her releases so I'm happy!

Posted by: Lee_J11 30th July 2020, 05:33 PM

We have no choice but to STAN

Posted by: SophieMax 30th July 2020, 05:44 PM

FMO or On Somebody deserved over SAI

Posted by: Bjork 30th July 2020, 06:25 PM

I think it's a good compromise including only the proper singles
it would have been crazy not to include So Am I or Salt

Posted by: slowdown73 30th July 2020, 06:29 PM

The album has disappeared from Amazon now.

Posted by: Liаm 31st July 2020, 12:12 AM

I'm screaming at "OMG What's Happening" the only mood for 2020 tbh

Posted by: slowdown73 31st July 2020, 08:27 AM

I like the new song but not as strong as kings and queens.

Posted by: JulianNial 31st July 2020, 12:13 PM

Yay at all of the singles being included! I hate a sloppy Discography. Am hoping 'Freaking Me Out' will get some kind of Digital Deluxe treatment or something.

Posted by: Jonjoliday 31st July 2020, 03:45 PM

Great timing:



3x PLATINUM wub.gif

Posted by: Atonement 16th August 2020, 07:28 PM

'Kings and Queens' hit #10 this week on the Dutch top40. A bit weird to think that out of the actual singles (SBP, SAI, Torn and Salt), 'Torn' is the only one that didn't do anything and yet it's my personal favorite (and also not any less commercially appealing than the others). I think 'Torn' deserves a re-release now there's revived interest in her.

The album cover is horrendous and so are most of the song titles but we'll see what this album has to offer.

I also just listened to the singles on headphones and I must admit they sound better listening to them... not with headphones on.

Posted by: Bjork 17th August 2020, 06:52 AM

was surprised to see Who's Laughing Now suddenly top 10 on the Youtube charts... weird, cos it did not make it when originally relerased
but it's top 10 now... and with pretty high views (350K)

10 -1 Ava Max - Who's Laughing Now

Posted by: WinterFreeze 23rd August 2020, 09:40 PM

Looks like the pre order has been taken down from iTunes, possible delay?

Posted by: JosephStyles 23rd August 2020, 09:45 PM

Still up for me! https://music.apple.com/gb/album/heaven-hell/1525772884

Posted by: Wall 23rd August 2020, 09:51 PM

I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being pushed to early October tbh especially as Who’s Laughing Now seems to be struggling

Posted by: JosephStyles 23rd August 2020, 09:58 PM

Does it actually have any support yet? Seems to be doing okay on iTunes with no Radio 1 or Capital, and it's not on Hot Hits.

Posted by: WinterFreeze 23rd August 2020, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Aug 23 2020, 09:45 PM) *
Still up for me! https://music.apple.com/gb/album/heaven-hell/1525772884


Might just be the Australian iTunes that has it as unavailable.

Posted by: tommie 24th August 2020, 11:09 AM

QUOTE(Wall @ Aug 23 2020, 09:51 PM) *
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being pushed to early October tbh especially as Who’s Laughing Now seems to be struggling


It would be dumb to push it further away from the success of Kings & Queens though. That still seems to have slight life in it, so it would be best to get it out while people still remember it.

Posted by: JosephStyles 27th August 2020, 07:26 PM



You're telling me that they've had THIS PHOTO ready and it's NOT the album cover????

It doesn't even need text on it (that can be on a sticker for the CD), it's gorgeous!

Posted by: Cameron 27th August 2020, 07:30 PM

That would also really stand out on the shelves!

Posted by: Brightest Blue 27th August 2020, 07:39 PM

I’d actually buy the vinyl if that was the cover.

Posted by: Bjork 27th August 2020, 07:45 PM

instead we get that sorta Pantene ad cover biggrin.gif

Posted by: *Tim 27th August 2020, 08:30 PM

QUOTE(Wall @ Aug 23 2020, 09:51 PM) *
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being pushed to early October tbh especially as Who’s Laughing Now seems to be struggling

Every time she releases a new single, the previous single starts to take off it seems laugh.gif

Posted by: Jonjoliday 27th August 2020, 08:32 PM

Or maybe y'all still haven't learnt that success isn't always so instant anymore! tongue.gif

Maybe it's a smart move to release a new song, so that starts to make ground in time for when K&Q is done with?

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 27th August 2020, 08:35 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Aug 27 2020, 08:26 PM) *


You're telling me that they've had THIS PHOTO ready and it's NOT the album cover????

It doesn't even need text on it (that can be on a sticker for the CD), it's gorgeous!


This is a total WTF were they thinking moment.

Mind you, the font is the worst thing about the actual album cover anyway.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 27th August 2020, 08:42 PM

Typical AVA and her team. Poor decision making all the time.

That is incredible and should of been the cover 100%

Posted by: Jay* 27th August 2020, 08:48 PM

Apparently that's being used as the back cover, oop!

Posted by: JosephStyles 27th August 2020, 08:59 PM

*gets caught turning all of the CDs around in HMV*

Posted by: *Tim 27th August 2020, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(Jonjoliday @ Aug 27 2020, 08:32 PM) *
Or maybe y'all still haven't learnt that success isn't always so instant anymore! tongue.gif

Maybe it's a smart move to release a new song, so that starts to make ground in time for when K&Q is done with?

Well I wouldnt really call throwing a ton of songs out there before the previous songs even had a proper push a viable tactic but hey, who am I.

We been knew success isnt instant, but they should at least give it a proper push lmao

Posted by: ✖ leww ✖ 27th August 2020, 09:58 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Aug 27 2020, 08:26 PM) *


You're telling me that they've had THIS PHOTO ready and it's NOT the album cover????

It doesn't even need text on it (that can be on a sticker for the CD), it's gorgeous!


wub.gif

Posted by: Jonjoliday 27th August 2020, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Aug 27 2020, 09:59 PM) *
*gets caught turning all of the CDs around in HMV*
*turns the CDs that way round as I put the stock out*

Posted by: SophieMax 28th August 2020, 07:07 AM

QUOTE(Wall @ Aug 23 2020, 11:51 PM) *
I wouldn’t be surprised to see it being pushed to early October tbh especially as Who’s Laughing Now seems to be struggling

It's definitely coming on the 18th don't worry

Posted by: Brightest Blue 30th August 2020, 09:24 PM

Do we think this’ll go top 40 then?

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 30th August 2020, 10:26 PM

I do think it’s set for at least a top 40 debut, possibly even top 20.

I think she has enough of a fanbase to clear like 3-4K copies. How it does in the long run is hard to determine it could be one of those what doesn’t peak high but spends a while in the lower regions or it could also drop straight out. But I think she’ll definitely go top 40 with this at worst.

Posted by: Bré 31st August 2020, 12:14 AM

I think so far she's proven to not really have a fanbase at all... laugh.gif some of her releases have done shockingly poorly on iTunes. I'm not sure I'd be confident in her being able to get a top 40 album (although the fact she's included so many old singles might help her out with their continuing residual streams I guess).

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 31st August 2020, 12:28 AM

With albums though you need to sell less than you do on the singles chart to debut / peak higher and then I’m guessing this could have pre orders too. She tends to do better on physical sales too as well (well downloads). Idk I just have a feeling that she’s set for a top 20 debut.

Posted by: Andrew. 31st August 2020, 01:06 AM

I think she’ll deffo get top 40, possibly something similar to Bebe’s Expectations album but having said that it’s almost top 200 on Apple Music already and she hasn’t done badly on the iTunes pre-order chart for all that means. At best she could perform like Lauv’s album and scrape top 10?

Posted by: Cameron 31st August 2020, 06:25 AM

The label will need to set up a tv and radio ad that absolutely hammer Sweet But Psycho and Kings and Queens

Posted by: photografdemon 3rd September 2020, 11:47 AM


Out tomorrow!

Posted by: Jonjoliday 3rd September 2020, 11:53 AM

Her design team need sacking.

She's had some absolutely GORGEOUS promo shots but THAT is the best they can come up with for a cover? VOM.

Excited to hear though.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 3rd September 2020, 05:06 PM

Cute album track!

Posted by: Lee_J11 3rd September 2020, 05:18 PM

A BOP

Album of the millennium incoming

Posted by: LMLou 3rd September 2020, 06:04 PM

The album is split into 3 sections with Heaven, Hell and Purgatory (which is just Torn)
I don’t really get the concept cause you’d think the Hell section would have a darker side to it but So Am I and Sweet But Physco are in there and they’re just light hearted bops

Posted by: Addy!(By Demand) 3rd September 2020, 06:10 PM

the whole concept of this album...


Posted by: Bjork 3rd September 2020, 06:16 PM

from an interview this summer:

Heaven: songs which serve as anthems,
Hell: consists of having "an angel and devil on your shoulder" and needing to navigate in different directions.

so basically yes, no concept biggrin.gif

Posted by: blacksquare 3rd September 2020, 06:18 PM

QUOTE(Bré @ Aug 31 2020, 01:14 AM) *
I think so far she's proven to not really have a fanbase at all... laugh.gif some of her releases have done shockingly poorly on iTunes. I'm not sure I'd be confident in her being able to get a top 40 album (although the fact she's included so many old singles might help her out with their continuing residual streams I guess).


Don't worry, she has the air conditioners on board.


Posted by: WinterFreeze 3rd September 2020, 09:21 PM

OMG is on Spotify here in Australia but it and the album are still missing on iTunes for some reason.

Posted by: ɥɔʇᴉq 3rd September 2020, 11:08 PM

why is everything she's releasing so unbearably dull, dated and lifeless?

Posted by: hlavkus 3rd September 2020, 11:37 PM

I like Ava but I find funny how she tries so hard to present her music as having deeper meaning while they're all just catchy basic pop songs

Posted by: oof 4th September 2020, 01:14 AM

OMG What's Happening is a constant mood this year tbh

Posted by: Bré 4th September 2020, 01:23 AM

A title that fits her career x

Posted by: JulianNial 4th September 2020, 06:32 AM

Another bop, I'm looking forward to a PROPER lighthearted album full of meaningless fun, it's all I want.

Posted by: Wall 4th September 2020, 09:32 PM

She’s terrible

Posted by: UltraFolklore 5th September 2020, 02:12 AM

I LOVE this. The chorus goes off and that middle-8 is iconic <3

I think I'll prefer this to Who's Laughing Now v. soon ohmy.gif SO hyped for the album, its gonna have so many bops *.*

Posted by: tommie 5th September 2020, 04:37 AM

QUOTE(photografdemon @ Sep 3 2020, 11:47 AM) *

Out tomorrow!


not a hit single x

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 5th September 2020, 07:12 AM

why does she get it totally wrong everytime?

I still can't get over the album cover and the singles are just so average (That's being nice) I hate how she tries to make them seem totally meaningful too.


Posted by: Andrew. 5th September 2020, 10:49 AM

This album’s already #39 on UK Apple Music with two weeks to go, no way it’ll miss the top 40 surely? laugh.gif #3 on the iTunes pre-orders as well. It wouldn’t surprise me if she entered anywhere from scraping top 10 to low top 30.

I hate to be that much of a basic gay but I might buy the album, 7 songs and 7 bops so far *.*

Posted by: Jack 5th September 2020, 11:17 AM

QUOTE(UltraFolklore @ Sep 5 2020, 03:12 AM) *
I LOVE this. The chorus goes off and that middle-8 is iconic <3

I think I'll prefer this to Who's Laughing Now v. soon ohmy.gif SO hyped for the album, its gonna have so many bops *.*

Yes same!!! Such a bop.

I don't know why people get so bothered by her, no one else is really making meaningless fun pop bops at the moment!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 5th September 2020, 11:19 AM

I prefer this song to 'Who's Laughing Now'

Posted by: JulianNial 5th September 2020, 01:09 PM

QUOTE(Andrew. @ Sep 5 2020, 11:49 AM) *
I hate to be that much of a basic gay but I might buy the album, 7 songs and 7 bops so far *.*


QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Sep 5 2020, 12:19 PM) *
I prefer this song to 'Who's Laughing Now'


Same, same, same. I'm not mad at anything.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 6th September 2020, 02:14 PM

Can they hurry up and start pushing Who’s Laughing Now?! It already has 22.5m streams on Spotify!

Posted by: Wall 6th September 2020, 03:02 PM

QUOTE(Brightest Blue @ Sep 6 2020, 03:14 PM) *
Can they hurry up and start pushing Who’s Laughing Now?! It already has 22.5m streams on Spotify!


I honestly would be surprised to see this picking up especially when Kings and Queens is gaining momentum in the USA. Who’s Laughing Now unlike Salt and Kings And Queens hasnt been put on much Hot Hits around Europe. I can’t see it picking up either, I think it should scrape top 75 when the album is released.

I can see this debuting around #5-12 in the U.K, streaming will help and she’s got decent pre-orders.

Posted by: Brightest Blue 6th September 2020, 03:04 PM

There’s no reason why they can’t just push this in the UK? Ellie’s team did that with Sixteen whilst Close To Me was taking off in the US.

Posted by: Wall 6th September 2020, 04:12 PM

It probably will be pushed but it’s not getting enough streams to be added to major playlists despite being on quite a few well known playlists

Posted by: Brightest Blue 6th September 2020, 04:13 PM

QUOTE(Wall @ Sep 6 2020, 05:12 PM) *
It probably will be pushed but it’s not getting enough streams to be added to major playlists despite being on quite a few well known playlists

On what though? 22m is pretty good going for a song that isn’t on the major playlists.

Posted by: Wall 6th September 2020, 04:19 PM

QUOTE(Brightest Blue @ Sep 6 2020, 05:13 PM) *
On what though? 22m is pretty good going for a song that isn’t on the major playlists.


It’s high on Pop List and Pop Rising, it’s not entered the UK top 200 on Spotify but the majority of her streams are coming from Norway / Sweden / Germany / Switzerland! They’re also the main reason why Salt became a European smash! It’s in Hot Hits in Germany and Norway! Omg what’s happening is also in the latter too!

Posted by: masahiro 8th September 2020, 11:58 AM

didn't know she's doing singed copies pre-order.
https://shop.avamax.com/

pre-ordered blue cassette and CD sick2.gif

Posted by: slowdown73 8th September 2020, 01:14 PM

Can’t wait for the album. I’ve liked everything I’ve heard so far!

Posted by: LJ JORD 7 8th September 2020, 01:38 PM

I’m here for this album!

She’s definitely got heaps of potential to be even better / take off further but I’ve liked everything she’s done so far.

Plus I do think it’s kinda needed right now in the charts that female pop should still succeed from newer artists.

Posted by: Jαsє 8th September 2020, 01:44 PM

QUOTE(masahiro @ Sep 8 2020, 12:58 PM) *
didn't know she's doing singed copies pre-order.
https://shop.avamax.com/

pre-ordered blue cassette and CD sick2.gif


Why are you puking over your pre-order?? laugh.gif

Posted by: slowdown73 8th September 2020, 03:11 PM

QUOTE(LJ JORD 7 @ Sep 8 2020, 02:38 PM) *
I’m here for this album!

She’s definitely got heaps of potential to be even better / take off further but I’ve liked everything she’s done so far.

Plus I do think it’s kinda needed right now in the charts that female pop should still succeed from newer artists.


There is definately a gap in the market right now for new female pop artists and has been for a while. Streaming has made it much harder for newer acts to break through!

Posted by: Simon. 9th September 2020, 03:07 PM

OMG What's Happening sounds a bit Marina to me, could imagine it on one of her albums, I like it.

Posted by: Bré 9th September 2020, 04:21 PM

QUOTE(slowdown73 @ Sep 8 2020, 04:11 PM) *
There is definately a gap in the market right now for new female pop artists and has been for a while. Streaming has made it much harder for newer acts to break through!


...you are aware she had a pretty massive #1 single and 2 other top 20 hits right?? laugh.gif

Posted by: JulianNial 17th September 2020, 02:29 PM

Listened to the previews on iTunes NZ and WOW this is the pop trash I needed.

I wonder how long they've been sitting on 'Born to The Night' now that would have smashed as the follow up to 'Sweet But Psycho' but more sensibly the follow up to 'Kings & Queens'.

MAKE IT A SINGLE ATLANTIC.

Posted by: Tafty 17th September 2020, 02:42 PM

I heard this album a couple of days ago and Born to the Night and Tattoo are my fave non-singles.

This album is a solid debut. It doesn't really bring anything particularly new to pop, but as of right now, it fits the pop hole really nicely!

Posted by: UltraFolklore 17th September 2020, 03:23 PM

I'm obsessed with Tattoo & Born To The Night wub.gif

An incredible debut and this just serves the perfect pure-pop fun that really is missing nowadays. There's only like 2/3 songs that aren't doing much for me atm, so impressed <3

Posted by: Jay* 17th September 2020, 05:07 PM



Every booklet image being better than the album cover cheeseblock.png

Posted by: Rush 17th September 2020, 05:14 PM

^ ikr laugh.gif I love this one particularly, would be such a great album cover!


Posted by: jlj 17th September 2020, 05:15 PM

I’m gonna buy this on iTunes!

So excited for a listen to this at midnight as well wub.gif

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 17th September 2020, 05:21 PM

How did a team of people settle on THAT as the album cover when they had all these?!

Posted by: Andrew. 17th September 2020, 07:03 PM

Not this being one of my most hyped albums of the year cheeseblock.png

Posted by: Wall 17th September 2020, 10:03 PM

Can a pop mod please close this thread

Posted by: Tafty 18th September 2020, 12:00 AM

GOD TIER:
01. Sweet But Psycho

Brilliant:
02. Born to the Night
03. Torn
04. OMG What's Happening

Great:
05. Salt
06. Tattoo
07. Belladonna
08. Naked
09. Call Me Tonight

Cute & Fun:
10. So Am I
11. Take You To Hell
12. Kings & Queens
13. Who's Laughing Now
14. Rumors

Weird ranking interludes:
xx. H.E.A.V.E.N.

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'Call Me Tonight' gives me very slight Little Mix circa Salute era album tracks teas with the chorus melody, except a lot more pop. (The melody reminds me of 'They Just Don't Know You')

'Sweet But Psycho' is one of the best pop songs of the 10's. Outstanding.

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 18th September 2020, 02:34 AM

Not for me.

This album is just so dull.

Posted by: UltraFolklore 18th September 2020, 03:52 AM

05 H.E.A.V.E.N.
10 Kings & Queens
09 Naked
10 Tattoo
10 OMG... What's Happening
09 Call Me Tonight
10 Born To The Night
10 Torn
08.5 Take You To Hell
09.5 Who's Laughing Now
07.5 Belladonna
08 Rumors
10 So Am I
10 Salt
11 Sweet But Psycho

I think my top 3 rn is SBP, Tattoo and Born To The Night. wub.gif easily one of the albums of the year <3

Posted by: LMLou 18th September 2020, 06:58 AM

Only heard Heaven so far but it’s amazing, feels like a proper 00s pop tune. Hopefully the rest of the album is up to this standard and less like Who’s Laughing Now

Posted by: izzyinsane 18th September 2020, 07:03 AM

"Call Me Tonight" is THAT HIT! So amazing. cheer.gif

Posted by: SophieMax 18th September 2020, 08:17 AM

Top tier album, incredible debut! Slay queen

Posted by: WhoOdyssey 18th September 2020, 08:35 AM

#1 on itunes! With the lack of competition this week, I wonder if they'll push for #1 officially? It would be a great look for her

Posted by: Jack 18th September 2020, 08:55 AM

QUOTE(Wall @ Sep 18 2020, 08:52 AM) *
Omg this

If you don't like her, you don't have to comment?

The album is very solid, nothing groundbreaking but she is delivering a lot of solid fun pop bops and sometimes that's all we need!

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 18th September 2020, 09:04 AM

'Born To The Night' would have been a much better choice than 'Who's Laughing Now'.

Posted by: Jαsє 18th September 2020, 09:06 AM

Anything even come close to touching the quality of SBP?

Posted by: M4NGO 18th September 2020, 09:23 AM

I don't like every song on it but there are some very solid pop songs on here, and a couple of big earworms of choruses - which is exactly what I wanted from her!

Posted by: Lee_J11 18th September 2020, 12:06 PM

Give her all the Grammys already kthnxbi x

Posted by: Jack 18th September 2020, 12:21 PM

Naked, Tattoo and Rumours are the stand outs for me!

Posted by: Jαsє 18th September 2020, 01:46 PM

iTunes

49. Who's Laughing Now
54+408. Kings & Queens

107. OMG What's Happening
208+807. Sweet but Psycho
276. Naked
335. Take You To Hell
336. Born to the Night
537. Salt
542+671. So Am I
804. Torn
829. Call Me Tonight
840. H.E.A.V.E.N

1422. Tattoo
1452. Rumors

Posted by: Ansel 18th September 2020, 02:48 PM

Born to the Night absolutely has to be a single at some point!

Posted by: Tafty 18th September 2020, 05:15 PM

Video for Naked:


Posted by: JulianNial 18th September 2020, 09:33 PM

It's by far my favourite of the visuals she's done. It's elevated the song for me a lot too.

So now Naked is a favourite, Born to the Night is the best thing she's done since Sweet But Psycho and I really like Belladonna.

I also enjoy every single of course.

It annoys me a little that Hell has 1 less track than Heaven, they could have added Freaking Me Out it would fit in so well.

Posted by: Jay* 18th September 2020, 10:13 PM

QUOTE(JulianNial @ Sep 18 2020, 10:33 PM) *
It annoys me a little that Hell has 1 less track than Heaven, they could have added Freaking Me Out it would fit in so well.

According to Ava's CD, it's 7 tracks Heaven & 7 tracks Hell, while Torn is in purgatory (although they've not separated it like this on streaming)


Posted by: jakee 18th September 2020, 10:16 PM

is she torn because she's in purgatory? @jay*

Posted by: Cameron 18th September 2020, 10:25 PM

.I like the fact that it matches the lyrics "torn from the pages out of our book. a beautiful tragedy... I'm torn in between heaven and hell"

Posted by: Jαsє 18th September 2020, 10:56 PM



What in the actual f*** is wrong with some people? mellow.gif

Posted by: ɥɔʇᴉq 18th September 2020, 11:16 PM

That person's account got suspended already. Imagine being gay and transphobic :|

Posted by: JulianNial 18th September 2020, 11:16 PM

QUOTE(Jay* @ Sep 18 2020, 11:13 PM) *
According to Ava's CD, it's 7 tracks Heaven & 7 tracks Hell, while Torn is in purgatory (although they've not separated it like this on streaming)



Ahh yeh true, you make a good point! I was too focused on the Spotify lay out, but I will say 'FMO' fits almost TOO well between Belladonna and Rumours. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Jαsє @ Sep 18 2020, 11:56 PM) *


What in the actual f*** is wrong with some people? mellow.gif


I know I saw this, I ready went off on twitter. How F***ING disgusting. Poor Ava and anyone who has to deal with that S***.

2020 go away.

Posted by: ɥɔʇᴉq 18th September 2020, 11:18 PM

Can we stop blaming a number 2020 for the shortcomings of the (still very backwards) human race? sad.gif

Posted by: Tafty 19th September 2020, 07:08 AM

Belladonna is hugely growing on me! SO good.

Posted by: Jay* 19th September 2020, 11:04 AM

Naked is particularly excellent, the song and video wub.gif

Other stand out faves on my first listen: Tattoo, Born to the Night and Rumors.

Posted by: JulianNial 19th September 2020, 11:06 AM

QUOTE(ɥɔʇᴉq @ Sep 19 2020, 12:18 AM) *
Can we stop blaming a number 2020 for the shortcomings of the (still very backwards) human race? sad.gif


My apologies.

Posted by: Andrew. 19th September 2020, 12:55 PM

Not a bad song on the album *.* Yes it's not exactly innovative and the lyrics are hmm at times but it's a breath of fresh air to have a feel good pop album that is just pure camp pop all the way through wub.gif My favourites of the new songs are Naked, Take You To Hell, Belladonna and Rumours. The synths in H.E.A.V.E.N are very blogpop.

Posted by: jlj 19th September 2020, 01:02 PM

I loved this on first listen.

It’s been ages since I’ve been hyped for a debut album as much as this and it didn’t disappoint me.

In terms of non concept, just fun pure pop moments she is that star for me.


Posted by: JosephStyles 19th September 2020, 06:41 PM

Take You to Hell isn't getting mentioned enough!!! cheeseblock.png

Posted by: Andrew. 19th September 2020, 09:14 PM

08 H.E.A.V.E.N.
10 Kings & Queens
11 Naked
10 Tattoo

09 OMG... What's Happening
08 Call Me Tonight
09.5 Born To The Night
10 Torn
10 Take You To Hell

09 Who's Laughing Now
10 Belladonna
09 Rumors
07 So Am I
10 Salt
09 Sweet But Psycho

Naked is HEAVEN

Posted by: Wall 19th September 2020, 09:24 PM

I can see this debuting top five in U.K. tbh

Posted by: Andrew. 19th September 2020, 09:26 PM

QUOTE(Wall @ Sep 19 2020, 10:24 PM) *
I can see this debuting top five in U.K. tbh

Same, her being #1 on iTunes for two days straight has impressed me and she's #6 on Apple Music. Weirdly the album doesn't have a chart position on Amazon but I assume that must be a mistake as it goes down to like #100,000 or something laugh.gif Most of the bundles on her store are sold out, she could get top three tbh. Deserved.

Posted by: JulianNial 19th September 2020, 11:14 PM

I don't know why I didn't mention 'Take You To Hell' previously, there isn't any song I don't like.

08 H.E.A.V.E.N.
10 Kings & Queens
10 Naked
09 Tattoo
09 OMG What's Happening
08 Call Me Tonight
11.0 Born To The Night
10 Torn
09 Take You To Hell
09 Who's Laughing Now
10 Belladonna
09 Rumors
08 So Am I
10 Salt
10 Sweet But Psycho

SO many 9s and 10s, 8 is the lowest score for me. Girl served.

EDIT:
I just had a thought. She recorded that song 'No Angel' it would have fit on the 'Hell' side SO well, why on earth did they sell it on?

Posted by: WinterFreeze 20th September 2020, 06:42 AM

I listened o this Friday and quite enjoyed it. Take You To Hell is a highlight.

Posted by: Tafty 20th September 2020, 04:38 PM

I don't think there's a single dud on here. Ask me in a month and I'll have an answer laugh.gif but as of rn this is hitting my pop spot perfectly wub.gif

Posted by: jlj 20th September 2020, 04:51 PM

Hoping she can sneak into the top 3!


Posted by: JulianNial 20th September 2020, 10:53 PM

I've been humming and singing 'Take Me To Hell' all day at work.

What does that say? That it's catchy as hell or that work makes me feel like I'm in hell?

Both. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Qween 21st September 2020, 07:01 AM

A smidge disappointed in the album, bar Take You To Hell and Naked, none of the new songs stand up compared to the singles. None of them are duds by any means, but all 7/10 territory. Rumours, Belladonna and Call Me Tonight all have the makings of great songs, but the chorus sounds seriously underbaked on them all.

Posted by: Tafty 21st September 2020, 01:35 PM

#1 in first set of mids. I'd like to say and think top 5 is guaranteed biggrin.gif Really hoping she has a big enough gap to remain at #1, but we'll see later!

As long as she's top 5 by Friday, that's a success! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 21st September 2020, 02:32 PM

Bloody hell! ohmy.gif I did not expect that in a million years.

Posted by: SophieMax 21st September 2020, 02:51 PM

QUOTE(Tafty @ Sep 21 2020, 03:35 PM) *
#1 in first set of mids. I'd like to say and think top 5 is guaranteed biggrin.gif Really hoping she has a big enough gap to remain at #1, but we'll see later!

As long as she's top 5 by Friday, that's a success! biggrin.gif

A #1 debut would be incredible for her!! Crying at the thought of that happening unsure.gif

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 21st September 2020, 04:25 PM

She's reduced her album to £4.99 everywhere and if you order the album from her store for £4.99 you get a personalised voicenote within 4 weeks.

Posted by: jlj 21st September 2020, 04:45 PM

I’ve just bought the album again from her store for £4.99!

I had a digital copy but helping her all the way for this #1 battle wub.gif

Posted by: Andrew. 21st September 2020, 04:48 PM

Of course 10 minutes after I buy the Signed Cassette for £8.48 including postage, she reduces the CDs to £4.99 :') Story of my life! I've asked to cancel my order so I can replace it with the voicenote one, I'd get both but skint Selena.png

Posted by: Tafty 21st September 2020, 06:35 PM

Love these tactics by record companies this year. This year has pulled up a couple of decent and genuine chart battles.

I have everything crossed for Ava!

Posted by: jlj 21st September 2020, 06:38 PM

We need to keep streaming as well! It would be so joyous to see her do it.

Like what was the last debut pop album from an international female to debut at #1.

Posted by: Tafty 21st September 2020, 07:25 PM

I genuinely have no idea! :/

*turns out to be as little as 2 years ago lmao*

Posted by: Wall 21st September 2020, 07:29 PM

Incredible this is going to debut top 5, even on low sales! I do think it will debut top three though which is still an incredible achievement!

I can see her going top 10 in USA too

Posted by: jark 22nd September 2020, 02:54 PM

Excellent album. Of the new stuff, OMG, Call Me Tonight, Born To the Night (!) and Rumours in particular go hard. Loving the faint echoes of Ace of Base across the record, particularly on the Take You to Hell chorus. Who's Laughing Now is the best of the lot. Swap So Am I (what is this even doing in Hell?) for Freaking Me Out and you have a pretty flawless debut with the boundaries of the kind of popstar she is/aspires to be. GOOD JOB AMANDA!

Posted by: Andrew. 22nd September 2020, 03:06 PM

So Am I is just TOO cheesy lol. That and Call Me Tonight are the only ones I'm not mad on

Posted by: jlj 22nd September 2020, 03:08 PM

So Am I was a top 15 hit! So I can see why it was included on the album. However having listened to the album I think there’s definitely stronger on there. I do like So Am I though it’s kinda like a cute Born This Way appreciation type song in its message. There are some Gaga influences on this. But yeah this sounds so European friendly like I can see her being one of those US stars who ends up having bigger European and Australian success compared to success in her native.

I wouldn’t have changed much on the tracklist tbh I think it’s pretty spot on not too short, not too long and pretty much no filler as well!

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 22nd September 2020, 05:57 PM

Stretched her lead by a small but but still isnt safe to hold that number 1.

Posted by: Lee_J11 22nd September 2020, 06:57 PM

Bought the album this evening for £4.99 because why not!

Posted by: jark 22nd September 2020, 08:13 PM

Performances!





The good sis ate!

Posted by: Tafty 22nd September 2020, 10:55 PM

Edited to embed the codes for you! biggrin.gif

--

She was also on Kelly's TV show today and seeing her swoon over Kelly and Kelly's reaction is adorable.

Posted by: Tafty 23rd September 2020, 07:37 AM

QUOTE(jlj @ Sep 21 2020, 07:38 PM) *
We need to keep streaming as well! It would be so joyous to see her do it.

Like what was the last debut pop album from an international female to debut at #1.
BTW, Bre has answered this...

QUOTE(Bré @ Sep 21 2020, 09:22 PM) *
Debut albums by international artists don't get #1 in the UK very often full stop, these are the only ones since 2010 (excluding one-off soundtrack albums like Les Misérables/The Greatest Showman etc. obvz):

2010 Glee Cast - Glee: The Music, Volume 1 (lol)
2010 Brandon Flowers - Flamingo
2011 Bruno Mars - Doo-Wops & Hooligans
2012 Lana Del Rey - Born To Die
2012 Jack White - Blunderbuss
2013 HAIM - Days Are Gone
2015 Meghan Trainor - Title
2019 Billie Eilish - WHEN WE ALL FALL ASLEEP, WHERE DO WE GO?
2019 Dermot Kennedy - Without Fear

Interesting that no one seemed to notice last year when Dermot had the first #1 international male debut for an even longer period of time thinking.gif xx In fact Dermot was one of only two in the entire decade if you exclude Brandon Flowers and Jack White for having had substantial careers as members of groups before their debut solo albums.

(in my first time checking through this list I forgot that Dermot Kennedy is international - does Irish really count?? xox - and was about to make the ultimate 'well ACTUALLY' move of the century in pointing out that Pop Smoke would get the first international male #1 debut album since 2012 if he got there this week, alas not quite the case kink.gif)
So yeah, it was as recent as Billie one year ago aha. But that depends if you include EP's or not (Billie's released a CD & vinyl release tbf)

But yeah it still doesn't happen all that often.

Posted by: Jade 23rd September 2020, 08:26 AM

Decided to check this out as a fun pop album sounded like a good way to start the day! Most of the album tracks are varying shades of solid with room to grow further except 'Belladonna' which caught my attention a lot more - I did think I'd be lured in a bit more by the dark side wub.gif

'OMG What's Happening' is getting more infectious with each listen. This was also a reminder of how great 'Torn' is after not hearing it in a while. Is this available on vinyl at all? I'd be happy to help out its first week sales if so but I can't seem to find one.

Posted by: Andrew. 23rd September 2020, 08:39 AM

No vinyl yet sad.gif Apparently there’s one coming out though. Omg stan Belladonna, that’s one of the tracks where the hell concept actually jumps out and it’s so good wub.gif

Posted by: Mr. C. Joel 23rd September 2020, 10:50 AM

Her Album appeared at 3 on Amazon CD chart today from previously not charting.

So the £4.99 reduction is definitely having an impact.

Posted by: Tafty 23rd September 2020, 11:50 AM

Updating:

01. (01) Sweet But Psycho
02. (07) Belladonna
03. (02) Born to the Night
04. (11) Take You To Hell
05. (03) Torn
06. (04) OMG What's Happening
07. (06) Tattoo
08. (09) Call Me Tonight
09. (08) Naked
10. (14) Rumors
11. (05) Salt
12. (10) So Am I
13. (12) Kings & Queens
14. (13) Who's Laughing Now

Weird ranking interludes:
xx. H.E.A.V.E.N.

I like/love everything. Amazing.

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd September 2020, 12:06 PM

I know I've said it before, but what the phuck possessed them to release 'Who's Laughing Now' when they had 'Born To The Night' right there?!

I'd also like to see if 'Torn' instead of 'So Am I' would have worked out differently/better.

Posted by: Jack 23rd September 2020, 12:10 PM

It should have gone;

01 Sweet But Psycho
02 Kings & Queens
03 Torn
04 Born To The Night / Album Release
05 Naked

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd September 2020, 12:42 PM

I would have perhaps said 'Kings & Queens' second, but I'm under the impression it may not have existed at that point?

Posted by: Brightest Blue 23rd September 2020, 03:14 PM

What a strong album!

1. Sweet But Psycho
2. Torn
3. Belladonna
4. Kings & Queens
5. Salt
6. Born To The Night
7. Naked
8. Who’s Laughing Now
9. Take You To Hell
10. Call Me Tonight
11. Rumors
12. OMG What’s Happening
13. Tattoo
14. So Am I

Posted by: Jay* 23rd September 2020, 04:44 PM

Judging by the midweeks, it seems likely that Heaven & Hell will end up charting no lower than #2 in the UK! Pop Smoke still seems set to overtake by Friday, due to significantly stronger streaming.

Ava should exceed 8.5k (kind of difficult to predict though, because there's a chance that her official store hasn't given all of their CD/Cassette sales data so far to OCC yet... sometimes official stores can be late to do that). Pop Smoke on course to do 9k+.


Today's mids:

#1 Ava Max - Heaven & Hell
Total so far: 6,397 (+903 since yesterday's mids)
Physicals: 3,495 (+347) [54.64%]
Downloads: 1,286 (+162) [20.10%]
Streaming: 1,616 (+394) [25.26%]

#3 Pop Smoke - Shoot for the Stars, Aim for the Moon
Total so far: 5,548 (+1437 since yesterday's mids)
Physicals: 100 (+27) [1.80%]
Downloads: 143 (+27) [2.58%]
Streaming: 5,305 (+1383) [95.62%]

A bit of a shame that Pop Smoke's streaming is drowning out Ava's pure sales.


I received a mailer about Pop Smoke, Universal is making a push for #1:

QUOTE
Will Pop Smoke be no.1 album this week?
After 11 weeks in the Top 10 in the UK album charts, Pop Smoke ‘Shoot For The Stars, Aim For The Moon could be #1 this week. Keep streaming, downloading & sharing. Streaming counts until midnight tonight, Official Store until 3pm tomorrow, and after that only Itunes until midnight.


(then it has various purchase/streaming links)
^ Interesting that they're so specific about when streaming and official store sales count, timewise! Not sure if Ava's label (Warner) have done anything similar, I've not received anything though.


If anyone here feels like helping Ava out! -

£4.99 Download - iTunes - https://music.apple.com/gb/album/heaven-hell/1525772884
£4.99 Download - Amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Heaven-Hell-Ava-Max/dp/B08DZMFZXN/
£4.99 CD - Amazon - https://amazon.co.uk/Heaven-Hell-Ava-Max/dp/B08DT1CD9V
£4.99 CD - Official Store - https://eurostore.warnermusic.com/uk/artists/ava-max/heaven-hell-cd-32.html
£6.99 Cassette & Signed Card - https://eurostore.warnermusic.com/uk/artists/ava-max/heaven-hell-orange-cassette-32.html (Orange) + https://eurostore.warnermusic.com/uk/artists/ava-max/heaven-hell-blue-cassette-32.html (Blue)
£11.99 Cassette Bundle & Signed Card - https://eurostore.warnermusic.com/uk/artists/ava-max/heaven-hell-cassette-bundle.html

Posted by: slowdown73 23rd September 2020, 06:29 PM

I’m still surprised this album isn’t selling better. It contains several singles of which two were very successful!

Posted by: Wall 23rd September 2020, 06:31 PM

Wait if streaming only counts until midnight tonight, surely Ava will win?

Posted by: Tafty 23rd September 2020, 06:35 PM

Thursdays data is averaged based on the week's numbers, I think. So everything that was streamed Friday-Wednesday will get averaged or something to count as Thursday's sales.

I honestly don't know why they can't just make streaming's numbers be Thurs - Wed, but they seem to insist on having that other rule instead drama.gif

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd September 2020, 06:46 PM

QUOTE(Wall @ Sep 23 2020, 07:31 PM) *
Wait if streaming only counts until midnight tonight, surely Ava will win?


I think it probably means Pop Smoke's label are aware of the reporting glitch for Thursday's streams, and that on this day they're upweighted/guesstimated.

Posted by: Tafty 23rd September 2020, 08:02 PM



She's so cute!

Posted by: Bré 23rd September 2020, 08:17 PM

QUOTE(Tawdry Hepburn @ Sep 23 2020, 07:46 PM) *
I think it probably means Pop Smoke's label are aware of the reporting glitch for Thursday's streams, and that on this day they're upweighted/guesstimated.


It is interesting to see a record label actually acknowledging this (I'm sure they've been well aware of it for as long as it's been an issue but I don't recall ever seeing it being explicitly mentioned like this before).

Posted by: Tawdry Hepburn 23rd September 2020, 08:19 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54188525

Good interview

Posted by: The Smiler 24th September 2020, 12:24 PM

This has turned me into such a stan! I genuinely can't skip anything wub.gif wub.gif

Ranking

1. OMG What's Happening
2. Belladonna (THAT whistle note!)
3. Born To The Night
4. Take You To Hell
5. Kings & Queens
6. Torn
7. Salt
8. Naked
9. Call Me Tonight
10. Who's Laughing Now
11. Rumors
12. Sweet but Psycho
13. Tattoo
14. So Am I

Posted by: Doug 24th September 2020, 03:05 PM

05 // H.E.A.V.E.N.
09 // Kings & Queens
09 // Naked
11 // Tattoo
09 // OMG What's Happening
09 // Call Me Tonight
10 // Born To The Night
10 // Torn
09 // Take You To Hell
10 // Who's Laughing Now
07 // Belladonna
07 // Rumors
08 // So Am I
07 // Salt
10 // Sweet But Psycho

For real this is SUCH a serve and I didn't expect it! I thought it would be another case of the many songs we'd heard pre-release would be the highlights as less successful pop singers like her generally do, but my god Tattoo and Born To The Night SLAP.

Posted by: Tafty 24th September 2020, 05:41 PM

#1 in today's mids still with 7.2k, but Pop Smoke is on 6.9k at #2. It's a shame she wouldn't be able to hold on to the #1 spot, but #2 is still a fantastic result, even more so for a pure pop artist like Ava! Especially considering I only expected a top 10 debut with 5k opening week sales.

Posted by: Jαsє 24th September 2020, 10:01 PM



She's so cute wub.gif

Posted by: Tafty 24th September 2020, 10:17 PM

OMG. NOT HER POSTING THAT AT 10.15 PM!!!

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Posted by: Juranamo 24th September 2020, 10:47 PM

You have 1 day left!!! (Of which 22hrs and 15mins count to NEXT week's chart 😂)

Posted by: Andrew. 25th September 2020, 04:15 PM

A top two album! wub.gif Who would've thought after 'Torn'.

Posted by: dandy* 25th September 2020, 04:28 PM

Tbh it’s at least 10 places higher than I’d have guessed before this week.

Posted by: Tafty 25th September 2020, 05:18 PM

#2. Absolutely ecstatic with that for her. It's a shame it couldn't quite hold onto the #1 but as everyone else has already said, it's at least 5 or so places higher than I had anticipated before the week started. heart.gif

Posted by: Liаm 25th September 2020, 05:22 PM

The album for me is bang average, not bad by any means but I feel like you can get the measure of the album from the singles and the highlights for me we'd already heard (Sweet But Psycho ofc, plus Torn/Salt/Who's Laughing Now/OMG What's Happening). I don't think I'll really go back to anything else, it all kind of blended into one. It's fair enough that she's just giving us basic pop bops which we do need in music rn, but a whole album of it just kinda bored me at best.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 25th September 2020, 05:26 PM

17 in Ireland.

Posted by: Bjork 25th September 2020, 05:28 PM

well, a few months ago I would have never predicted it
but when looking at the schedule a few weeks ago
it was clear she had a shot at #1 as it was the emptiest week of the year
so wise label for picking up that date
but at the same time if they had made a crazy deal like cassettes at 1 pound instead of 12 pounds, she would be #1 biggrin.gif

Posted by: slowdown73 25th September 2020, 05:35 PM

Very unlucky not to reach no1 but love the album.

Posted by: Tafty 25th September 2020, 05:49 PM

QUOTE(Liаm @ Sep 25 2020, 06:22 PM) *
The album for me is bang average, not bad by any means but I feel like you can get the measure of the album from the singles and the highlights for me we'd already heard (Sweet But Psycho ofc, plus Torn/Salt/Who's Laughing Now/OMG What's Happening). I don't think I'll really go back to anything else, it all kind of blended into one. It's fair enough that she's just giving us basic pop bops which we do need in music rn, but a whole album of it just kinda bored me at best.
Omg stick with it. I promise. The other tracks will stick out! Belladonna especially. That's the biggest grower for me and it's the one that I feel is the most different/unique (with Born To the Night up there too)

Posted by: Andrew. 25th September 2020, 07:48 PM

This has SENT me laugh.gif



Posted by: Jay* 26th September 2020, 01:42 AM

^ laugh.gif

She had an event on Roblox ( https://www.roblox.com/games/5650743011/Ava-Max-Heaven-Hell-Launch-Party ) - I've never played Roblox, but this gif is serving chaotic energy lmao:




Posted by: Esmerelda 27th September 2020, 05:53 PM

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

I think the iconic Roblox Concert has convinced me to buy the album.

Posted by: Qween 29th September 2020, 12:02 PM

04 H.E.A.V.E.N.
11 Kings & Queens
08 Naked
07 Tattoo
09 OMG What's Happening
07 Call Me Tonight
08 Born To The Night
09 Torn
09 Take You To Hell
09 Who's Laughing Now
08 Belladonna
07 Rumors
08 So Am I
10 Salt
08 Sweet But Psycho

Just because you all ASKED. It's a very cohesive pop album (perhaps TOO sonically similar in parts) and far better than it has any real right to be. She's been extremely clever with the singles released to date. Kings & Queens is properly incredible in any world.

Posted by: ɥɔʇᴉq 29th September 2020, 12:32 PM

QUOTE(Qween @ Sep 29 2020, 03:02 PM) *
Kings & Queens is properly incredible in any world.

not in mine tho xo

Posted by: Qween 29th September 2020, 05:45 PM

Any sane world populated by people with functioning ears.

Posted by: Wall 29th September 2020, 07:33 PM

QUOTE(Qween @ Sep 29 2020, 01:02 PM) *
04 H.E.A.V.E.N.
11 Kings & Queens
08 Naked
07 Tattoo
09 OMG What's Happening
07 Call Me Tonight
08 Born To The Night
09 Torn
09 Take You To Hell
09 Who's Laughing Now
08 Belladonna
07 Rumors
08 So Am I
10 Salt
08 Sweet But Psycho

Just because you all ASKED. It's a very cohesive pop album (perhaps TOO sonically similar in parts) and far better than it has any real right to be. She's been extremely clever with the singles released to date. Kings & Queens is properly incredible in any world.


Remove yourself

Posted by: Tafty 30th September 2020, 07:27 AM

Why are you still here?

*insert New York on the bed gif*

Posted by: Bjork 30th September 2020, 07:48 AM

debuts at #27 in the US, much muted response in her home country than the UK

Posted by: JulianNial 2nd October 2020, 06:39 PM

I have to say, down to #15 not as big of a drop as I was expecting. Good for her!

Would be nice to push 'Born To The Night' for around Halloween.

She'll get a nice boost from 'Sweet But Psycho'then anyway since it's pretty much a Halloween classic now.

Posted by: Tafty 2nd October 2020, 07:53 PM

#15 is stronger than I had anticipated too.

Last week seemed to be quite solid for new releases and re-issues. So I'm glad to see she ended up above a few of them that were higher in the mids!

Posted by: jlj 3rd October 2020, 09:49 AM

I’m still really liking this album hope it sticks around in the top 40 for a few more weeks. There’s quite a lot of new entries this week but hopefully that won’t push it out the top 40 I think she could be between 31-40 this week. She must be doing quite good on streams though as she climbed from Monday to Friday this week.

Posted by: Bré 3rd October 2020, 07:30 PM

QUOTE(jlj @ Oct 3 2020, 10:49 AM) *
She must be doing quite good on streams though as she climbed from Monday to Friday this week.


No she didn't? She was #13 on the Monday update.

Posted by: jlj 5th November 2020, 12:41 PM

Did anyone else buy this album along with a voice note?

I’ve still not received my voice note laugh.gif a few people on Twitter have had them sent though.

Posted by: Bjork 5th November 2020, 01:15 PM

and now Kings & Queens is top 10 in US Airplay! Unbelievable! and up to a new peak at #22

Posted by: Andrew. 5th November 2020, 01:33 PM

QUOTE(jlj @ Nov 5 2020, 12:41 PM) *
Did anyone else buy this album along with a voice note?

I’ve still not received my voice note laugh.gif a few people on Twitter have had them sent though.

Yes laugh.gif laugh.gif It’s like they just hoped we’d forget about the voicenote:’)

Posted by: slowdown73 5th November 2020, 04:34 PM

I’ve heard a deluxe edition of this album is coming.

Posted by: masahiro 7th November 2020, 02:51 PM

Don’t know about Deluxe Edition but Japanese Edition with 5 bonus tracks will out on Jan 2021.
Including Not your babie girl and 4 Acoustic versions.

Posted by: Tafty 12th December 2020, 09:15 AM



Amazing news for her!

Posted by: LeGrinch 12th December 2020, 09:19 AM

At least xmas songs should hopefully block this from entering top 10 Selena.png

Posted by: Bjork 12th December 2020, 09:24 AM

is she really #1 on airplay? last time I checked she was #2 but miles away from #1 (Mood)

doesn't really sound to me like a typical US airplay hit

Posted by: Michael Bubré 12th December 2020, 04:58 PM

It's on the Adult Pop Songs chart, not the overall Radio Songs chart.

Posted by: Voodoo 13th December 2020, 10:46 AM

^ That's like celebrating a #1 on the Dance Club Airplay Chart. blink.gif

Posted by: b 13th December 2020, 10:55 AM

Insinuating that the album reached 2.2 B streams in 3 months is also very misleading as half of those are from SBP which had a 2-year head start, plus a bunch of singles she released before the actual album.

Posted by: Jay* 13th December 2020, 11:01 AM

QUOTE(Voodoo @ Dec 13 2020, 10:46 AM) *
^ That's like celebrating a #1 on the Dance Club Airplay Chart. blink.gif

Not really, because the Dance Club chart is based on night clubs, not radio airplay.

The level of airplay Kings & Queens is getting to reach #1 on Adult Pop (and #3 on Radio Songs) is significant. It’s a big radio hit

Posted by: Bjork 13th December 2020, 11:03 AM

I see that in the real proper Airplay chart she peaked at #2 for just 5 nanoseconds and is already down to #3

Hater it when they present this distorted artists achievements, reminds me of the X factor when they were announcing their guests that always had crazy high worldwide sales

Posted by: b 13th December 2020, 11:07 AM

1 minute after releasing H&H: HEAVEN AND HELL HAS REACHED 1.5 BILLION BIEWS ON SPOOTEEFIE

Posted by: Jay* 13th December 2020, 11:14 AM

That’s how the streaming stats are presented for every artist though. Dua Lipa’s debut album is regarded as being the most streamed female album ever - that was boosted with the belated inclusions of One Kiss, Scared to Be Lonely and No Lie. The stats also includes the streams her pre-album singles achieved, which were well in advance of the album’s release.

Posted by: b 13th December 2020, 11:22 AM

That is fair enough but 2.2B is not the figure for this year alone and it’s kind of misleading to put both of these stats together. Still rather impressive though. Whoda thunk it lol

Posted by: k👠th 13th December 2020, 11:27 AM

QUOTE(b @ Dec 13 2020, 01:07 PM) *
1 minute after releasing H&H: HEAVEN AND HELL HAS REACHED 1.5 BILLION BIEWS ON SPOOTEEFIE

OMFG Selena.png

When will Taylor?

Posted by: Jay❄ 22nd April 2021, 02:21 AM

Wild Thing leaked - this was originally included in the debut album track list before being replaced by Rumors



music.gif Surprised this was discarded, it's great!

Posted by: The Architect 22nd April 2021, 02:58 AM

We’re surely due a new single soon.

I wonder if it’ll be a re-release or new album.

Not that’ll it’ll make it but I think Wild Thing is alright,

Posted by: Lee_J11 22nd April 2021, 07:58 AM

Another certified bop from Ms Max cheeseblock.png

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 22nd April 2021, 09:28 AM

The album has had a great chart run and should be silver soon, nice if it could go gold.

Posted by: Jay❄ 23rd April 2021, 01:08 AM

Here's something else that's leaked that's quite interesting. An original mix of Sweet but Psycho had a spoken intro!

https://soundcloud.com/communismformybitches/the-manifesto-of-mother-koci-psycho-intro


Posted by: Jay❄ 15th May 2021, 12:49 AM


Posted by: PAJ 15th May 2021, 01:05 AM

Great achievement considering after Sweet But Psycho it looked like each release was doing nothing until Kings & Queens. Up until then it didn’t even look like an album would eventuate.

Posted by: Juliannnial 15th May 2021, 08:45 AM

I really expected a 'Poster Girl' type run with this album so I'm glad it's managed to maintain.

Posted by: Bjork 15th May 2021, 09:05 AM

It's not top 100 on album sales, not top 100 on downloads, but charting thanks to streams

It's 300-ish on Apple Albums, so if it's doing well its cos of playlists

Posted by: Bré 15th May 2021, 02:55 PM

Yes, that is the case for basically every album that has been in the chart for more than a few weeks xx

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 25th May 2021, 07:58 PM

One of the few acts i like actually benefiting from streaming, im sure she does even a couple of physicals every week.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 4th June 2021, 02:20 PM

The album re enters at 91 in Ireland this week and its the albums 30th week in the top 100.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 15th June 2021, 07:34 PM

From my reckoning the album is silver now in the UK, sales in or around 63,000.

Posted by: Feel_The_Fever 16th July 2021, 02:31 PM

Re enters the top 100 here in Ireland this week at number 78, this is its 35th week on the top 100.

Posted by: Dangerous Julian 23rd September 2021, 11:25 AM

How has it been a year already?

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