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 Lana Del Rey - Born To Die |
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 3rd December 2011, 06:10 PM
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 thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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I still can't get over the RAY in the topic title. Can anyone change it BEFORE I LOST MY PEDANTIC MIND?
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3rd December 2011, 06:20 PM
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 is my brain across your walls?
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QUOTE(Conderella @ Dec 3 2011, 06:10 PM)  I still can't get over the RAY in the topic title. Can anyone change it BEFORE I LOST MY PEDANTIC MIND? 
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3rd December 2011, 07:03 PM
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i thought you wore the hairpiece for style
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I just cannot buy into her. There's something so FORCED about her both musically and in terms of image.
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3rd December 2011, 07:22 PM
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I Was Born Free
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QUOTE(Conderella @ Dec 3 2011, 06:10 PM) I still can't get over the RAY in the topic title. Can anyone change it BEFORE I LOST MY PEDANTIC MIND? Done! |
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3rd December 2011, 07:23 PM
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I just had to see your face to feel alive
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She's trying too hard.
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3rd December 2011, 08:01 PM
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thanks for being a sarcy lil bitch
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QUOTE(Bré @ Dec 3 2011, 10:20 PM) Ha indeed. And HURRA at it being changed  The song remains incredible after 15 more listens. |
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3rd December 2011, 08:08 PM
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This is just as amazing as Video Games for me.
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3rd December 2011, 10:18 PM
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Infamy Infamy they all got it in for me
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This is just like eating a cherry bakewell tart with cream on top, just lush.
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4th December 2011, 10:20 PM
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 Right in front of my salad?!
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Rather good, but I prefer Blue Jeans/Video Games.
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7th December 2011, 04:22 PM
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#38BBE0 otherwise known as 'sky blue'
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Love it! I haven't been disappointed with anything she's put out so far, however "Video Games" still remains my favourite and by far one of the best singles of the year.
I'm looking forward to the debut, that and it's inevitable panning by the predictable critics. 
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7th December 2011, 05:52 PM
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Loved Video Games, love this even more... although she does look a bit like a prettier version of Julia Roberts in the video....
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9th December 2011, 01:18 PM
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down with jakewild
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I actually love this so much more than Video Games/Blue Jeans. Maybe I will end up coming round to her after all...
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9th December 2011, 04:29 PM
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Wow - I'm impressed.
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9th December 2011, 10:09 PM
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Yes, it's me.
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Holy Jesus, I nearly cried when I heard this. I like this much more than Video Games. It could be the strings. There's something very 60's about parts of it. Some of the structure reminds me of a Dusty Springfield song. Just ravishing, in general.
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9th December 2011, 10:26 PM
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I like Video Games but I find something very troubling about her. I understand that with her aesthetic certain things makes sense: but she's basically become the new "it" girl via plastic surgery and nostalgia for a time when women were treated as objects whose only purpose is to be wanted by men. Her marketers (as well as her) have basically taken every step to appeal to the sex drive of the music industry, which is very much male driven (indie or not). Not that there's a problem with sort of exploring the themes that she does in Video Games and Born to Die, but considering it seems to be mostly marketing and not a personal choice, it makes me uncomfortable and I can't really listen to her the same knowing Born to Die is just some man's wet dream indie song (if it was written by a man or Lana herself I apologize, but either way I get the sense that a lot of the people she's working with and who are creating her image are straight men). CocoRosie explore these themes much more poignantly in a song like "By Your Side" than Lana Del Rey ever will.
I might be reading into all of it too much. I still really like Video Games, go2sadsong. |
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9th December 2011, 10:39 PM
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Yes, it's me.
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I recognise that if what your saying is true then it could take away from the appreciation of any song that she releases because it starts to become a product rather than a statement of the artist. Some bands and artists are marketing fabrications and it only really works if they dont hide it. If it is hidden then people feel conned to a certain degree when the truth comes out.
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9th December 2011, 10:58 PM
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I mean it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Lana Del Rey was being marketed a certain way—I don't really feel "conned" so much as that the more she continues coming out with songs like these less of a fan I become. They're troublesome because they're not just "pop" songs; they're sort of desperate, lonely songs about yearning for the love of a man and trying to appease him sexually ("you like your girls insane") which should not be seen as a positive experience by an means (and is not a theme you really see in mainstream pop music, it feels like it's making somewhat of a statement). And I don't think she is saying that this idea of women being sex objects for men is great, but because she's just a pop artist with a marketing team in the end, it takes a very real issue and makes it feel dishonest and perpetuates the problem (I brought up CocoRosie's song because it has lines like "all I ever wanted was just to be your housewife" and "I'll wear your black eyes, bake you apple pies"—it highlights the complexities of wanting to be with a man so much that you're willing to take abuse and be objectified, perhaps even expecting it). CocoRosie are clearly artistic individuals though and there's a clear irony to that whole song. If Lana Del Rey is being marketed like this by men though, it's not honest, it's not ironic, it's misogynistic and problematic. I don't know if this is really making any sense, ~ i'm tryin i promis ~ I'm also a male with male privilege so I don't want to act like I'm speaking for all women.
In terms of pop music, give me someone like Rihanna, Mariah Carey, or Nicki Minaj any day. Even if Lana Del Rey has "indie cred", eff that. maybe i just shouldnt get serious on bj tho idk |
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10th December 2011, 03:45 PM
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i thought you wore the hairpiece for style
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QUOTE(Medicated Soap @ Dec 9 2011, 10:58 PM) I mean it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Lana Del Rey was being marketed a certain way—I don't really feel "conned" so much as that the more she continues coming out with songs like these less of a fan I become. They're troublesome because they're not just "pop" songs; they're sort of desperate, lonely songs about yearning for the love of a man and trying to appease him sexually ("you like your girls insane") which should not be seen as a positive experience by an means (and is not a theme you really see in mainstream pop music, it feels like it's making somewhat of a statement). And I don't think she is saying that this idea of women being sex objects for men is great, but because she's just a pop artist with a marketing team in the end, it makes a very real issue and makes it feel dishonest and perpetuates the problem (I brought up CocoRosie's song because it has lines like "all I ever wanted was just to be your housewife" and "I'll wear your black eyes, bake you apple pies"—it highlights the complexities of wanting to be with a man so much that you're willing to take abuse and be objectified, perhaps even expecting it). CocoRosie are clearly artistic individuals though and there's a clear irony to that whole song. If Lana Del Rey is being marketed like this by men though, it's not honest, it's not ironic, it's misogynistic and problematic. I don't know if this is really making any sense, ~ i'm tryin i promis ~ I'm also a male with male privilege so I don't want to act like I'm speaking for all women. In terms of pop music, give me someone like Rihanna, Mariah Carey, or Nicki Minaj any day. Even if Lana Del Rey has "indie cred", eff that. maybe i just shouldnt get serious on bj tho idk From Bre's WORST POST OF THE MONTH to THE BEST POST OF THE MONTH. I fully concur and being around straight men when the video to 'Video Games' has come on and then their reactions to HER/THE SONG pays testament to everything you've articulated on in the last two posts. BOGUS |
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10th December 2011, 03:55 PM
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"Diet Mtn Dew" is by far my favorite from her. That chorus is so seductive. I liked Video Games and Blue Jeans but this one got me interested in her.
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10th December 2011, 03:59 PM
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Brown cow, stunning!
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QUOTE(Medicated Soap @ Dec 9 2011, 10:58 PM) I mean it was pretty obvious from the beginning that Lana Del Rey was being marketed a certain way Agree with this bit. I do love her music but there's something so manufactured about her whole vibe. I thought it back from when I first heard Video Games. |
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