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 Sep 21 2016, 08:58 PM
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Ya exactly. The demographics of all parties show that their voters are more pro-EU in general in Scotland, hence the 62% voting Bremain.
While there is a large number of Brexit supporters within the SNP it's still only around 32% of their voters, so the overwhelming majority is pro-EU. It's not as if their alienating their core base as I'd say the absolute majority of those 32% are yes voters who will vote yes again and hope to bring us out the EU in the future. Welcome aboard Harve! I'm still registered to vote at home so I can keep voting for the SNP |
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Oct 13 2016, 10:47 AM
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Starting gun fired. Legislation published for consultation next week, vote will be before the UK leaves the EU and will be triggered if Scotland is taken out of the single market.
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Oct 13 2016, 11:17 AM
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Oct 13 2016, 11:40 AM
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So once in a lifetime/generation is only 3 years according to Sturgeon and she has the nerve to say Brexiteers are divisive.
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Oct 13 2016, 11:52 AM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 12:40 PM)  So once in a lifetime/generation is only 3 years according to Sturgeon and she has the nerve to say Brexiteers are divisive. The goalposts have been moved a long way since the last vote. Scots were told that the only way to stay in the EU was to remain part of the UK. That is no longer the case so, as Scots voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, a second vote is entirely justified. |
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Oct 13 2016, 12:06 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 12:40 PM) So once in a lifetime/generation is only 3 years according to Sturgeon and she has the nerve to say Brexiteers are divisive. I mean, it's not as if leaving the EU doesn't represent an absolutely gargantuan re-envisioning of what it means economically to be part of the United Kingdom. Anyway, best of luck to her. |
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Oct 13 2016, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 13 2016, 12:52 PM) The goalposts have been moved a long way since the last vote. Scots were told that the only way to stay in the EU was to remain part of the UK. That is no longer the case so, as Scots voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU, a second vote is entirely justified. So what you're saying is, if Scotland has this second referendum and votes to leave the UK then the Scottish people have decided they would rather be ruled by Brussels than by Westminster. |
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Oct 13 2016, 12:29 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Oct 13 2016, 01:06 PM) I mean, it's not as if leaving the EU doesn't represent an absolutely gargantuan re-envisioning of what it means economically to be part of the United Kingdom. Anyway, best of luck to her. Nicola Sturgeon gonna need all the luck she can get because if this second referendum happens and she loses then we can safely say that's her political career and the SNP burnt to ashes. |
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Oct 13 2016, 12:41 PM
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A poll released this morning and conducted before the Tory conference indicates that 55% of Scotland wishes for a rerun of the independence referendum in the event of hard Brexit.
Polling is still showing the dominance of the political landscape by the SNP. Everyone, including chief hypocrite Ruth Davidson, is falling over themselves to call us divisive nationalists when in actuality it is the Tories and UKIPs divisive nationalism that has lead us to this crossroads. |
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Oct 13 2016, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 01:26 PM) So what you're saying is, if Scotland has this second referendum and votes to leave the UK then the Scottish people have decided they would rather be ruled by Brussels than by Westminster. And why not? |
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Oct 13 2016, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 01:26 PM) So what you're saying is, if Scotland has this second referendum and votes to leave the UK then the Scottish people have decided they would rather be ruled by Brussels than by Westminster. In a word, No. |
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Oct 13 2016, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 01:26 PM) So what you're saying is, if Scotland has this second referendum and votes to leave the UK then the Scottish people have decided they would rather be ruled by Brussels than by Westminster. No. We would have decided to remain in the European single market and to continue to welcome people from other countries to come and live here should they choose to. We would have to continue abiding by some EU laws, but would no longer have to endure the farcical situation where only 1 out of 59 of our representatives has a Parliamentary vote that counts. |
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Oct 13 2016, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE(richie @ Oct 13 2016, 02:38 PM) No. We would have decided to remain in the European single market and to continue to welcome people from other countries to come and live here should they choose to. We would have to continue abiding by some EU laws, but would no longer have to endure the farcical situation where only 1 out of 59 of our representatives has a Parliamentary vote that counts. I mean, that isn't really the definition of having a vote that 'doesn't count', particularly given the Tories don't have the most stable of majorities. |
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Oct 13 2016, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE(richie @ Oct 13 2016, 02:38 PM) No. We would have decided to remain in the European single market and to continue to welcome people from other countries to come and live here should they choose to. We would have to continue abiding by some EU laws, but would no longer have to endure the farcical situation where only 1 out of 59 of our representatives has a Parliamentary vote that counts. But Scotland would still be ruled by Brussels won't it, as for "abiding by some EU laws", don't you see, the eventual goal of EU bureaucrats is to create a federalised Europe which will reduce Scotland into a region of Europe with total power and control handed over to Brussels. |
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Oct 13 2016, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 03:00 PM) But Scotland would still be ruled by Brussels won't it, as for "abiding by some EU laws", don't you see, the eventual goal of EU bureaucrats is to create a federalised Europe which will reduce Scotland into a region of Europe with total power and control handed over to Brussels. ...no. |
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Oct 13 2016, 03:08 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 03:00 PM) But Scotland would still be ruled by Brussels won't it, as for "abiding by some EU laws", don't you see, the eventual goal of EU bureaucrats is to create a federalised Europe which will reduce Scotland into a region of Europe with total power and control handed over to Brussels. I think you need to read a bit more about how a federal state works. Try looking at Germnay. That's a federal state where the individual Länder have a lot of power with the central state having relatively limited powers. The whole idea was to reduce central government powers and devolve power down to the lowest practical level. Who wrote that constitution? We did. |
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Oct 13 2016, 04:42 PM
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For crying out loud, the EU is not a federal state, and that has never, and will never be its goal! The European Union's goal has always been to maintain peace in Europe, to create unity between countries, and to improve the facility of travel. It's helped things such as exchange programs for teenagers in France and Germany. And it's enabled those same teenagers to be able to travel across the continent without having to get a dozen different currencies and waste half their money on exchange ATMs! And it's enabled old people to escape mucky old Britain to live their retirement in the sunny Meditterrean coast!
The European Union has improved the lives of every single individual in this country, in some way or another, and it makes me so angry to see all these people calling it an federalist state and all that nonsense. It honestly makes me sick. |
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Oct 13 2016, 04:46 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 13 2016, 04:08 PM) I think you need to read a bit more about how a federal state works. Try looking at Germnay. That's a federal state where the individual Länder have a lot of power with the central state having relatively limited powers. The whole idea was to reduce central government powers and devolve power down to the lowest practical level. Who wrote that constitution? We did. What are you talking about, the EU is nothing like Germany. Are you telling me that the EU is not interested in gaining more power and control over its member states? |
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Oct 13 2016, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Oct 13 2016, 05:46 PM) What are you talking about, the EU is nothing like Germany. Are you telling me that the EU is not interested in gaining more power and control over its member states? You said the EU wanted to be like a federal state. Germany is a federal state. |
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Oct 13 2016, 04:59 PM
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You're correct. It's nothing like Germany which is a federalised state, so why are you calling he EU a federalised state when it is not? The EU is a supranational entity that seeks to make it easier for Europeans to live, work, do business, travel and much more across the whole continent making us all more prosperous both financially and culturally. This kind of cooperation needs rules so that's what the EU does.
Sales tax legislation is harmonised across the EU making cross border trade in the single market easier. Free movement of people and capital make it easier for European business to work across borders The ban on roaming charges makes life easier for tourists and this who live along an international border Co-operation on policing and intelligence mean that a criminal crossing a border is no barrier to justice or crime prevention Any civil society needs rules. The EU is no different. All member states have an input into these rules and the rights to seek opt outs, something the uk made into an art form. |
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