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 Jan 21 2017, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 21 2017, 10:59 AM)  Given his record, shouldn't Melania be referred to as Trump's "current wife"? maybe she has a large bladder and is secure in her relationship? Sounds like a skin condition at any rate.... |
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Jan 21 2017, 06:58 PM
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So in the first day Trump has showed that he cares more about his friendship with Putin than the f*cking PREAMBLE of the Constitution.
IT'S WE THE PEOPLE. NOT WE THE ALT-RIGHT DEPLORABLES. |
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Jan 21 2017, 07:23 PM
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We the selected group of people I choose to pander to
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Jan 21 2017, 09:26 PM
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I am wrestling with a moral dilemma. As a pacifist I just watched a viral video of a Nazi getting punched, a man who has previously carefully framed questions for discussion (thus avoiding accusations that he is promoting the ideas behind the questions) such as "Should black people suffer genocide" (paraphrase) and "what is the easiest way to carry it out if that's the case" (paraphrase).
I can't condone violence, yet I find myself really happy that someone who appears to condone racist genocide got punched in the face..... ...then someone reminded people on Twitter that being a pacifist and using law and reason to deal with Nazis has a history of being a bit ineffective, what with the mass murder of tens of millions of people and all in the 30's and 40's. American movies, to the contrary, rather approve of punching Nazis, it's traditionally The American Way to show patriotism. Nazi-ism is traditionally not a way to show patriotism, though many currently seem to think it is... Not to mention Jo Cox' murder by a virtual-Nazi (lets not just call them alt-right or far-right, let's use the old-fashioned name, he did after all feel strongly enough to murder a young mother because he disagreed about foreigners). Anyway, I can't in all conscience retweet the video nor suggest anyone should go and look for it, but I feel slightly less in a dilemma about it now, morally.... |
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Jan 21 2017, 09:28 PM
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QUOTE(bluesunstorm @ Jan 20 2017, 12:04 AM) Well really, she won. Winning by 3 million votes is winning, it's just that POTUS is not necessarily decided by who wins at least a plurality of a popular vote-unlike Congress members, governors, mayors, etc. It's beating a dead horse now, but having the second place candidate become president is never ease to take-especially when it's misogynistic, bigoted, unintelligent scum like Donald Trump. I don't like the notion that she got where she did because of family ties either. She's always been incredibly accomplished and ambitious, not to mention she worked so hard during two presidential primaries to get the nomination. I've always seen her as completely separate from Bill. I get that many people had problems with her when it came to policy, but she's not a unpopular as many people and the media make her out to be. My point being: would she have likely *only* won by 3 million votes without the 'dynasty' charge against her? |
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Jan 21 2017, 09:29 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jan 21 2017, 09:26 PM) I am wrestling with a moral dilemma. As a pacifist I just watched a viral video of a Nazi getting punched, a man who has previously carefully framed questions for discussion (thus avoiding accusations that he is promoting the ideas behind the questions) such as "Should black people suffer genocide" (paraphrase) and "what is the easiest way to carry it out if that's the case" (paraphrase). I can't condone violence, yet I find myself really happy that someone who appears to condone racist genocide got punched in the face..... ...then someone reminded people on Twitter that being a pacifist and using law and reason to deal with Nazis has a history of being a bit ineffective, what with the mass murder of tens of millions of people and all in the 30's and 40's. American movies, to the contrary, rather approve of punching Nazis, it's traditionally The American Way to show patriotism. Nazi-ism is traditionally not a way to show patriotism, though many currently seem to think it is... Anyway, I can't in all conscience retweet the video nor suggest anyone should go and look for it, but I feel slightly less in a dilemma about it now, morally.... I am LIVING for that video and joyfully retweeted and shared it on Facebook. |
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Jan 22 2017, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(Silas @ Jan 21 2017, 09:29 PM) I am LIVING for that video and joyfully retweeted and shared it on Facebook. 
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Jan 23 2017, 11:28 AM
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The intolerant liberal lefties are going down.
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Jan 23 2017, 12:51 PM
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loud intolerant anybodies, left or right, get kicked off planes cos they are very annoying and imposing their views on others who may be going on holiday and don't want it.
That doesn't mean anything in terms of poltiical support. Can't get more intolerant than someone wanting to murder all black people, however politely they put it. Many Trump supporters hold that view and THEY are going down because they are Nazis. getting angry with Nazis is not intolerance, it's self-survival cos they will commit genocide given half a chance, and Trump says nothing to suggest he disassociates himself from those views. Liberals do NOT condone genocide or violence or intolernace, it's kinda the Entry Password for being Liberal. Nazis love killing people who don't share their view, that's kinda THEIR Entry Password. "Donald, was Hitler evil and Nazis evil?" "Yes they were". That's all he has to say...... He hasn't. |
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Jan 23 2017, 01:43 PM
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Don't feed the troll.
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Jan 23 2017, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(popchartfreak @ Jan 23 2017, 12:51 PM) loud intolerant anybodies, left or right, get kicked off planes cos they are very annoying and imposing their views on others who may be going on holiday and don't want it. That doesn't mean anything in terms of poltiical support. Can't get more intolerant than someone wanting to murder all black people, however politely they put it. Many Trump supporters hold that view and THEY are going down because they are Nazis. getting angry with Nazis is not intolerance, it's self-survival cos they will commit genocide given half a chance, and Trump says nothing to suggest he disassociates himself from those views. Liberals do NOT condone genocide or violence or intolernace, it's kinda the Entry Password for being Liberal. Nazis love killing people who don't share their view, that's kinda THEIR Entry Password. "Donald, was Hitler evil and Nazis evil?" "Yes they were". That's all he has to say...... He hasn't. It's funny how it's always liberal lefties that are the intolerant ones though, remember when Ivanka Trump was berated aggressively on a plane by that guy going on some rant about DT. Just look at what happened after Trump was inaugurated, liberal morons causing criminal damage on America's streets because they didn't get their way. These are the type of people that accompany liberal lefties Absolute idiot. |
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Jan 23 2017, 03:52 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jan 23 2017, 03:45 PM) It's funny how it's always liberal lefties that are the intolerant ones though ...did you miss the entire Tea Party movement? I didn't see anybody seriously calling for a genocide of Nazis or a wall to keep Donald Trump voters out. Richard Spencer can give you an equivalent for the first, Trump can give you an equivalent for the latter. |
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Jan 23 2017, 04:16 PM
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QUOTE(Qassändra @ Jan 23 2017, 03:52 PM) ...did you miss the entire Tea Party movement? I didn't see anybody seriously calling for a genocide of Nazis or a wall to keep Donald Trump voters out. Richard Spencer can give you an equivalent for the first, Trump can give you an equivalent for the latter. Well maybe that's what liberals need to do, create a movement, get your argument across in a better way rather than relying on the lying mainstream media to get the liberal point of view across and don't get aggressive and violent when things don't go your way, because now most people in the Western world want to see liberalism and socialism out of government power for a long, long time. People have had enough, that's why Brexit and Trump won. |
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Jan 23 2017, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jan 23 2017, 08:16 AM) Well maybe that's what liberals need to do, create a movement, get your argument across in a better way rather than relying on the lying mainstream media to get the liberal point of view across and don't get aggressive and violent when things don't go your way, because now most people in the Western world want to see liberalism and socialism out of government power for a long, long time. People have had enough, that's why Brexit and Trump won. So what exactly was the Women's March, a peaceful protest? A giant slumber party?
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Jan 23 2017, 04:30 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jan 23 2017, 04:16 PM) Well maybe that's what liberals need to do, create a movement, get your argument across in a better way rather than relying on the lying mainstream media to get the liberal point of view across and don't get aggressive and violent when things don't go your way, because now most people in the Western world want to see liberalism and socialism out of government power for a long, long time. People have had enough, that's why Brexit and Trump won. 1. What do you think the protests were? If everyone on those protests had got 'aggressive and violent' Washington wouldn't exist anymore. 2. "Most people want liberalism and socialism out" doesn't really stack up given, once again, 3 million fewer Americans wanted Trump than wanted Clinton. |
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Jan 23 2017, 04:44 PM
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Also this "aggression and violence" thing was what Republicans were preaching about for the past eight years. You know, when their rights weren't threatened?
PeaceMob, you need Jesus. PRONTO. |
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Jan 23 2017, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jan 23 2017, 04:16 PM) Well maybe that's what liberals need to do, create a movement, get your argument across in a better way rather than relying on the lying mainstream media to get the liberal point of view across and don't get aggressive and violent when things don't go your way, because now most people in the Western world want to see liberalism and socialism out of government power for a long, long time. People have had enough, that's why Brexit and Trump won. Perhaps you could post links to the articles in the Mail, Express and Sun putting the liberal point of view across. If you have five years ti spare, you might find one. |
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Jan 23 2017, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Jan 23 2017, 04:56 PM) Perhaps you could post links to the articles in the Mail, Express and Sun putting the liberal point of view across. If you have five years ti spare, you might find one. And you've literally just named all of the mainstream media that aren't liberal, that's all there is. Everything else including all the UK news channels e.g. Sky, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 are anti-Brexit and definitely anti-Trump, and now liberals are trying to shut down alternative media that aren't liberal by calling it fake news until that blown up in their face after Trump calling out CNN. Lefty liberals are intolerant until everyone thinks exactly the same way they do. This post has been edited by PeaceMob: Jan 23 2017, 06:02 PM |
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Jan 23 2017, 06:13 PM
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BBC attacks Corbyn on a daily basis - one of their reporters was found making up lies about him. They are as conservative as it gets...
Alternative media with alternative fact is made up of lies and conspiracies. That is why it is called fake news. |
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Jan 23 2017, 07:02 PM
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QUOTE(PeaceMob @ Jan 23 2017, 06:00 PM) And you've literally just named all of the mainstream media that aren't liberal, that's all there is. Everything else including all the UK news channels e.g. Sky, BBC, ITV, Channel 4 are anti-Brexit and definitely anti-Trump, and now liberals are trying to shut down alternative media that aren't liberal by calling it fake news until that blown up in their face after Trump calling out CNN. Lefty liberals are intolerant until everyone thinks exactly the same way they do. You really dont pay attention do you? Sky is part-owned (at the moment) by Rupert Murdoch one of the biggest right-wing meddlers in the world today, (see Fox News, a hot bed of far-right lies and bias). BBC are controlled by the government of the day and are scared of saying boo to a goose. What you call lefty, I call "Fact-based respected media". It's no coincidence that those peddling lies and distorted world views get called out by those that use facts and fairly give both sides of an argument (like the BBC, a respected organisation worldwide). The likes of Fox News and Breitbart have only one side to any argument - the view they are pushing. People fall for it because they are angry after a decade of post-banking-crisis struggling. But it wasnt the liberal media or liberal politicians that caused the crisis. Right-wing politicians allowed it to happen in the first place (see Thatcher/Reagan changing laws). Things dont just magically happen, there are causes and effect. Trump is a result of the banking crisis and the Republicans blocking all democrat attempts to help the poor for 8 years. Only a fool would suppose they have changed their spots suddenly cos a selfish billionaire is in control. One who can't take any sort of criticism no matter how minor. Important stuff just gets ignored (like the peaceful protests with vastly bigger crowds than his own ego-speechifying). This is a fact. Trump lies about it to deflect reality and truth. Fact. Fact. Fact. fact. Let's just stick to the UK: number of liberals in prison for murdering or attacking fascists and racists: nil. Number of fascists in prison for murdering liberals (2) in the last 12 months, number in prison for attacking people for no reason, just because they are right-wing racist dicks (many). Facts, y'see. Don't cha just hate how snowflakes use facts to argue their case instead of getting aggressive and starting a war - which is what thick racists want, an excuse to send in the fascist troops. Lefty liberals, BTW, tolerate all the bullshit spouted by people who disagree with them because it's called democracy, and we've had 20 years of Murdoch & co crap. Fascists seem to have a problem with it when it's the other way round and they keep insisting on quoting facts and reason. Frinstance Nige Garage has been tweeting how proud he is of the bust of Churchill in the White House (Trump is also trying to bring esteem by association with a statue). He keeps quoting Churchill as a British icon. Churchill was massively in favour of a united Europe, and worked towards it as a way of stopping Nazis ever getting power again. So that's a nazi-lover appropriating a British hero anti-nazi. Fact. Farage is a fraud and anyone who falls for him or Lying Fraud Trump is an idiot. Or a Right-wing rich-power dominator. Or both. Now show me facts that prove most of things they say is a fact and the Liberals are lying. If you don't it's because you can't. If you do, I will examine the evidence and give you an opinion on it, calmly and intellectually, based on available facts. Because this is a democracy. Liberals will be back in power once fools who think the right-wing is there to help them show their true colours, and it's become obvious they just use them to help their own agendas. It's no secret Trump has only ever re-read one book: Hitlers Guide To Fascist Power (not real title). No secret Farage's teachers had issues with him parading and pushing Nazi ideas as a student. |
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