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Posted by: Rooney 25th February 2017, 12:55 PM
25th June 2017!
Posted by: Qween 25th February 2017, 01:16 PM
A (slightly) belated birthday present then. Obviously super excited but fearing for QUEEN Cersei, even though they'll probably save her death until at least the end of the season if it's to happen now and not S8.
Posted by: Queen LeQueefa 25th February 2017, 01:32 PM
They'll kill her off on S8 I think.
BTW did y'all read the spoilers?
I have and hmm a little disappointed, but I guess some viewers will see it as epic. I won't.
Posted by: jase. 26th February 2017, 07:56 PM
I can't find anything official about a premiere date?
Posted by: Blossom 4th March 2017, 10:57 AM
Liam Cunningham Tweeted that it might premiere in July and said that the final season will probably air in September next year
Posted by: Rooney 9th March 2017, 08:23 PM
Seems I was wrong.. damn Peter Dinklage!
July 16th.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 9th March 2017, 08:55 PM
Why so late this year? </3 Still, I trust it'll be worth it and will see me through the summer though.
Posted by: Severin 9th March 2017, 10:29 PM
They had to film it in winter to match the story
Posted by: Bibia Be Ye Ye 10th March 2017, 11:56 AM
16th July 
Posted by: Jonjo 24th May 2017, 08:29 PM
HOLY.
FUCKETY.
FUCK.
FUUUUUCK!
THAT LAST SHOT!
Posted by: Iz~ 24th May 2017, 08:38 PM
The scale of some of those shots is breathtaking.
It seems so long I'd almost gotten out of hype mode. I'm getting back into hype mode.
Posted by: Jonjo 24th May 2017, 08:43 PM
So excited to see (or so it seems) a lot more Greyworm! (Probably means he's definitely dying this season, but ehhhh 
)
Posted by: jase. 24th May 2017, 10:06 PM
Wow, that looks like some next level Hollywood blockbuster - not a HBO tv series! SO excited!
Posted by: Jonjo 21st June 2017, 05:16 PM
THIS IS GONNA BE MIND BLOWING.
Posted by: jase. 21st June 2017, 08:50 PM
Wow.
Posted by: Jacob. 21st June 2017, 10:07 PM
Omg @ Light Of The Seven in that trailer. So hyped for it now. 16th July can't come soon enough.
Posted by: jase. 7th July 2017, 11:08 PM
Just over a week to go. HYPE.
Posted by: burbe 8th July 2017, 12:08 PM
I'm SO excited for this to come back! It's been far too long :/
Posted by: jase. 16th July 2017, 01:19 PM
TONIGHT. So bloody excited, although I won't be able to watch it until Monday night so I'll have to avoid the internet all day to avoid spoilers.
Posted by: Harlot 16th July 2017, 05:55 PM
I've rewatched Winds Of Winter (TWICE) in anticipation and can confirm it is still the best episode ever.
Posted by: beartita 16th July 2017, 07:25 PM
i managed to binge all six seasons in about a month, and finished yday so i'm READY (and feeling lucky i haven't had to endure the wait ya'll have)
Posted by: SGrey 16th July 2017, 07:40 PM
Until next years season
Loving all of the Daenerys clips circulating the trailers at the moment!
Posted by: Rooney 16th July 2017, 08:14 PM
I don't think Season 8 will air until 2019 personally.
Looking forward to trying to avoid spoilers tomorrow! Can't believe how big the show has become.. I still remember watching the pilot back when it first aired all those years ago in 2011!
Posted by: jase. 16th July 2017, 10:52 PM
Battle of the bast*rds now on Sky Atlantic +1 so I'm watching. The Winds of Winter up next, which is my favourite GOT episode ever 
Yup I agree
Posted by: Jonjo 17th July 2017, 09:33 AM
That opening sequence *.*
A nice opening episode which you can feel just sets things up and it's only a matter of time until shit literally goes down!
IT'S SO GOOD TO HAVE IT BACK
Posted by: SGrey 17th July 2017, 11:04 AM
A nice opening episode which you can feel just sets things up and it's only a matter of time until shit literally goes down!
IT'S SO GOOD TO HAVE IT BACK
It really is great having it back!!
I also loved the closing scene with the words "shall we begin?" - I had chills!
Posted by: beartita 17th July 2017, 04:14 PM
Your new username!! I am stanning
Posted by: Saenerys 17th July 2017, 05:54 PM
I love her and Cersei - easily my two favourite characters and was very close to going with Seansei Lannister instead
I'm definitely rooting for Daenerys to walk these next two seasons! It wasn't until Cersei and Jaime were on the painted map that I realised she was probably going to be killed off this season or executed or something like that due to being drastically outnumbered.
Posted by: HausofSZA 17th July 2017, 06:15 PM
"Shall we begin?" YES PLEASE
So glad it's back. Decent opening episode, setting up the pathways well. Arya in the opening sequence too, getting her character right again this series please after a few drab storylines in the past <3
Posted by: Saenerys 17th July 2017, 06:23 PM
So glad it's back. Decent opening episode, setting up the pathways well. Arya in the opening sequence too, getting her character right again this series please after a few drab storylines in the past <3
I had chills!!!
I warmed to Arya in this episode as did I with Sansa and neither have drawn my attention before like they did in this episode. I'm definitely here for a more gutsy/ballsy Sansa
Posted by: SKOB 17th July 2017, 06:53 PM
LOved the episode, great start for the season
Posted by: burbe 17th July 2017, 07:20 PM
Great season opener, setting things up nicely for what is bound to be an action packed and thrilling season!
LOVED Arya in this episode. That opening sequence was bloody incredible!!
Posted by: Severin 17th July 2017, 08:31 PM
Did anyone else notice GOT had David Bradley aka the guy playing The Doctor in the xmas special rip his face off to reveal a woman.
Spooky
Posted by: Iz~ 17th July 2017, 08:32 PM
God I had chills from the opening scene once it all clicked, what a way to open the series that pretty much justifies Arya's shortcomings lately with one awesome moment.
And to follow that up with a huge scene discussing Northern politics (Karstark, Umber and Glover references are always welcome for me), Arya meeting Ed Sheeran - in a nice friendly scene we shall call 'Arya rediscovers her humanity before inevitably brutally murdering more people to be safe', Daenerys' 'shall we begin', there was so much good happening.
It was themed so much better than many past opening episodes I've noticed. Season 2 had the comet like the book did but this had constant references to the theme of holding on to power and made a big focus on the Wall which speculation spoilermeans I think it's got to be falling soon, Sandor seeing it in the flames, I got so many chills when he described Eastwatch which we'd already heard was going to be manned by Tormund.
And then there was Sam hearing about the Wall and the Long Night from the Grandmaester, and then him finding the big solution that Dragonstone is hiding just before we get that wonderful sequence reintroducing itself to the audience as a setting for Daenerys to base herself from, it was all paced so VERY PLEASINGLY.
Very strong opening episode and the strongest opening episode for several seasons, only weak thing I thought was Euron's performance which seemed a little off.
IT IS BACK AND I LOVE IT YAY
Posted by: Mart!n 17th July 2017, 08:34 PM
Loved the episode, fantastic start with Arya as disguised as David Bradley I also spied a certain singing artist 
The ending was superb, thank god for catch up TV. 
Posted by: Chez Wombat 17th July 2017, 09:05 PM
Daenerys just casually stealing the whole episode with just a single line of dialogue *.
Still, great episode nonethless, I mean I would've loved anything rlly as it's been so long The openings always just feel like catch ups and reminders of where everyone is, but this managed to maintain tension and introduce new paths. I'm really intrigued where The Hound and Samwell are going to go.
Oh and yes that was a hell of an opening, SO happy to see Arya in an interesting storyline at last! (Preferably not too much Sheeran coming up though plz x)
Posted by: Mart!n 17th July 2017, 09:08 PM
I really thought Arya was going to knife Ed Sheeran
Posted by: Joe. 17th July 2017, 10:45 PM
The Ed Sheeran cameo felt so tacky and forced as well as cringe that it really took me out of it for a moment. Good episode otherwise.
Posted by: Iz~ 17th July 2017, 11:00 PM
I did have the thought that the song he was singing was just like some random song off Divide. Nothing on the wonderful Rains of Castamere by either The National or Sigur Rós, or the Bear and the Maiden Fair even. Those felt set within the series, this was just Sheeran getting himself everywhere. And the camera was on him far too much.
The rest of the scene served a good purpose though I thought, to remind us that most foot soldiers don't give a shit about who's ruling the kingdoms and are actually decent people. It'll be interesting to see what Arya does with them, I half wondered whether her drunken 'joke' was a test to try and get them to antagonise her so she had a reason to kill.
Posted by: jase. 17th July 2017, 11:12 PM
I cringed so hard seeing Sheeran. Apart from him, I really enjoyed the episode. That opener with Arya had me fistpumping and I actually found it quite chilling hearing Cersei be SO cold - referencing her kids as "just ash". Her calling Olenna Tyrell an old c**t had me chuckling tho..
Posted by: Severin 17th July 2017, 11:38 PM
Sheeran's a twat but that's not entirely fair on him. The song is from the books and is suggested to be about Tyrion and Shae. Tyrion speaks the words as he kills her in the book as well.
But I agree the camera lingered on him too obviously
Posted by: Saenerys 17th July 2017, 11:40 PM
I forgot about Cersei using the C word but again there is no cure for being one as we've been frequently told
I'd be interested to see how Olenna is reintroduced in this series given how the last ended. Do we have a poll on who will end up on the throne? Interested to see what everyone thinks!
Posted by: Iz~ 18th July 2017, 12:07 AM
But I agree the camera lingered on him too obviously
Oh yes I saw the lyrics were from a book scene, I was referring to the tune and how his interpretation sounded.
Posted by: Jonjo 18th July 2017, 12:19 AM
The season 7 premiere number represents a stunning 50 percent increase from last year’s opener — despite the drama airing in the summer for the first time. The number of households watching television is lower in the summer than in the spring when the show typically airs (which is why broadcast networks run most of their original programming from September to May). Even if you exclude HBO’s streaming platforms and just look at Nielsen’s overnight number (10.1 million viewers) the episode tops last year’s finale, which was the show’s previous most-watched episode in the overnight ratings.
The hour-long Thrones return, titled “Dragonstone,” earned rave reviews from critics (read our deep-dive recap) and currently has the show’s first 100 percent score for a season premiere on Rotten Tomatoes. The hour also inspired 2.4 million tweets, making it the show’s most-tweeted episode of all time, according to Twitter. GoT also has the distinction of being TV’s most Emmy-honored drama, though the series is sitting out this fall’s ceremony and the current season will not be eligible for consideration until 2018.
RELATED: Dive Deep Into the Premiere Episode With EW’s Game of Thrones Weekly Podcast
The news is both terrific for HBO and just a tad bittersweet — with only 12 episodes remaining, Thrones is a hugely lucrative property whose popularity has climbed every season that the company will dearly miss after it’s gone (the current season has seven episodes total; the eighth and final season will have six). HBO has multiple prequel series are in development in hopes of finding at least one worthy of continuing the GoT franchise, but they are without showrunners David Benioff and Dan Weiss or the current cast.
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Over the years, the show’s first season averaged 3.3 million viewers including DVR, according to Nielsen. Season 6 averaged more than 25 million viewers per episode across all of HBO’s domestic platforms. The trajectory begs a question … especially since GoT finales tend to perform stronger than premieres… if the peneultimate season is opening to 16 million overnight viewers… what’s the Game of Thrones series finale going to do?
It's even more impressive because it's A CABLE CHANNEL!!
Posted by: HausofSZA 18th July 2017, 06:16 AM
Globally, it's easily the biggest show around right now, right?
Posted by: Oliver 18th July 2017, 07:09 AM
I was slightly underwhelmed by the episode. The best bit was the very start with Arya but after that it just got a bit...boring?
It's probably just because I binged all the other seasons last year and any slow bits were forgotten about quickly. 
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 18th July 2017, 07:27 AM
It was ridiculous that Sheeran was on it. It made it look like a shool drama play.
I worked out Frey was Arya in aboot 2 seconds. Friend: oh, this is the wrong episode, lemme change. Me: it's Arya.
Quite a boring episode tbh.
Glad Danaerys has recaptured her home city however. How long ago was it deserted? Or was it the place Baratheon used?
Posted by: Dexton 18th July 2017, 07:56 AM
Boring? I thought it was far from it. Yeah, nothing too incredible happened but that's just the same for every seasons opener. It caught us up with basically everyone we care about and set the scene for this season.
Stray observations of things I found interesting:
- Jorahs stone-disease progressing all the way up his arm, he likely won't come out of his cell alive or at least won't be alive for Danys ascension to the throne (which is HEARTBREAKING)
- Cersei saying c**t will never get old. I adore her to bits but god she needs to die at the end of this..
- Aryas scene with the Lannister men showing that she isn't a completely cold blooded killer (or she would've pulled something on Sheerans gang who she was fighting against)
- Dany taking back Dragonstone after Stannis left. It's a shame those two never met because he was my favourite contender for the throne (up until the whole daughter burning incident) after the Queen of Dragons herself
- Stark family reunion next episode
- Speaking of the Starks, Jon vs Sansa seems to be an interesting idea... I'm surprised Littlefinger hasn't ran down south yet though to start conspiring with Varys & Tyrion now that Dany is looking strong
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 18th July 2017, 08:09 AM
Jon v Stansa is a great plotline, and Little Finger is thrte to stir the pot...
Arya is going south, so no family reunion for now!
Also WHY do people like Stannis?? He is aaawwwfuul and so beige. His brother was better.
Posted by: Joe. 18th July 2017, 08:30 AM
I feel like Sansa is going to die this season or early next season. I am worried, she's my fav.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 18th July 2017, 09:40 AM
I think the writing was pretty poor tbh.
How did Cersei figure out what Danaerys was doing/ where she was/ where Tyrion was and how did she know John Snow had been declared king of the north and send a raven the DAY AFTER??
But who did you all agree with - Sansa or John? I haaate John Snow but I think he was right.
The accents are all over the shop this season - even worse than usual! John Snow's is particularly bad. Bran Stark's performance was oh my!
Posted by: Iz~ 18th July 2017, 10:01 AM
1) No-nonsense, unflappable, perfect straight man who is the rightful heir given Cersei's incest
2) The grammar... whitewalkerism (I think some of the best laughs I had while watching it with GoT Soc at uni were at 'Fewer')
3) Stannis the Mannis
So yeah, he's a supercompetent beacon of masculinity who is legitimately the rightful heir, basically. Robert was a drunk lunatic and Renly was a bit... nondescript. He was far better in the books.
~
I can see ways that both Sansa and Jon are right. It's a really interesting situation because there is no right answer. He could have rewarded some minor houses and now those houses will be thinking 'why did I fight for Jon if he's just going to pardon his enemies', and Littlefinger and anyone else among the Vale or the North who schemes will see it as a sign of weakness, it's not playing the game of thrones that smartly, if you're cynical. But he just got undying loyalty from those kids and the armies that they commanded because of the pardon that he publically gave them, fitting with the history and because he's in the North, which is a more straight-talking area than the Reach or the West, the other lords, particularly Lady Mormont will probably see it as a good reminder of Ned Stark and the just hand that the Starks have over the North. There's a long history of houses staying the same in the North that doesn't happen as much in the other kingdoms (see: the Reynes, does Jon want to seem like the Lannisters?). It was pretty much just one Umber and one Karstark that fell in with the Boltons, and many had died for Robb not too long ago.
How did Cersei figure out what Danaerys was doing/ where she was/ where Tyrion was and how did she know John Snow had been declared king of the north and send a raven the DAY AFTER??
The timeline is spread out (scenes in the same episode may be set weeks or even months apart by now) and ravens/gossip/messenger boys are constantly updating everyone.
Posted by: Saenerys 18th July 2017, 10:26 AM
It would be obvious for Dany to go there as well given the connection to the Targaryens Dragstone has.
I do hope Sansa survives whatever is coming - she's grown massively on me and isn't too much of a drip now to watch.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 18th July 2017, 11:02 AM
Oh, ao that's why the macho men, same going on aoot a female doctor, love Stannis. Got it.
Posted by: Joe. 18th July 2017, 11:17 AM
I feel like she's the last expendable Stark in terms of story and she'll be one of the next huge shock deaths. She managed to get her revenge at the end of the last season which made me feel like her story went full circle. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Bran but I always felt like Arya and Jon would be the last two standing Starks.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 18th July 2017, 11:23 AM
Bran is a peripheral stark tbh
I think he will end up suck back in time building/ sacrificing himself for the wall - Bran the Builder
Posted by: Iz~ 18th July 2017, 01:34 PM
Oh that's diplomatic, let's paint people who like positive depictions of masculinity (which he was prior to burning Shireen and I and my friends all felt quite betrayed by that because of how good a character he was previously) into anti-feminists. It's possible to like both sides you know and it's really not the same people.
Posted by: Iz~ 18th July 2017, 01:46 PM
Tbf though now Jon is properly making decisions as the North's King he's a far better replacement for that particular archetype.
Posted by: liamk97 18th July 2017, 03:33 PM
I posted this in the TV forum but I'll leave it here too:
2am-3am: 2m (62%)
9pm-10pm: 788,300 (4.1%)
The return of HBO’s fantasy epic helped Sky Atlantic reach its highest ever overnight ratings with 2.8m tuning in to either the 2am simulcast or the 9pm linear TX.
The seventh series, which featured a cameo from pop star Ed Sheeran, was well ahead of the 2.2m people who watched the opener of the last series, which totalled an overnight audience of 2.2m in April 2016.
This year’s 2am simulcast, which also includes viewers who recorded it and watched it within a 24 hour period, comfortably beat the 1.4m (50.9%) that watched or recorded last year’s 2am showing.
However, the linear episode was down 2016’s 816,000 (3.7%) to 788,300 (4.1%) this year.
Posted by: Rooney 18th July 2017, 06:29 PM
Honestly it's crazy to think how big the show has become. As one of the originals, when it first aired on HBO I believe it watched by about 1.6 million. Now it has grown in to the biggest show in the world... mental!
I enjoyed the premiere. It was a good introduction to all of the major players (pretty much) which I think was needed after such a long break. I am assuming Dany/Jon will meet up fairly shortly and then Cersei and Dany will have a battle - then there will be the battle with Tormund & the Wildings vs the White Walkers. That's my thoughts anyway.
Agree with what a few people have said about Euron, it is hard to get behind the character. He's hard to believe and we have had much better characters we love to hate. I feel this is partly because he was introduced quite late in the game so he is pretty undeveloped as a character.
Posted by: Severin 18th July 2017, 06:38 PM
I have a couple of theories for the whole ending although I haven't perfected the order but the preferred Season 7 goes thus (can't wait to see how massively wrong I am) -
Bran Stark arrives at Winterfell and Jon learns of his parentage. Jon will also learn from Samwell of the masses of dragonglass at Dragonstone, vow to convince Denaerys to joint the fight against the Night King and travel to meet her.
Euron will sail towards Dragonstone, intent on returning to Cersei with Tyrion's head. The 2 Greyjoy fleets will meet in battle and Euron will be defeated by the combined arms Yara' Greyjoy, and the Dornish and Tyrell fleets. However, Theon will die protecting Yara, whilst the Sand Snakes will also perish after their ship is boarded. Euron is eventually captured and executed but Yara spends much time hunting him down.
Gendry is discovered to have been hiding out on remote part of Dragonstone all along and is captured by the Unsullied.
Cersei orders Jaimie (despite his protests) to march the Lannister forces, aided by the Tully's to Dragonstone to destroy her Unsullied and Dothraki whilst the fleets are away.
Jon Snow arrives to parlay with Denaerys. Her dragons are receptive to him. Tyrion urges her to heed his warnings of the Night King remembering the bond he and Jon shared at the wall.
Ser Davos discovers Gendry and his bloodline is revealed. Tyrion urges a union of convenience to ally the Tagaryen and Baratheon claims to the throne.
Travelling south Arya encounters Melisandre and crosses her of her list.
The Lannister and Tully forces engage Denearys' armies. The battle looks even-handed but the dragons burn hundreds to destroy the Jaimie's army. He escapes. Bronn is captured.
Arya discovers Nymeria and her pack and uses them to help destroy pockets of Lannister troops.
Jon Snow returns to Winterfell having made a pact with Denaerys that the Stark family shall remain Warden Of The North, and a f***-ton of dragonglass, but no extra troops to aid the fight. With Jon's parentage now bringing his claim to be head of the Stark's into doubt Sansa becomes head of House Stark.
Lord Baelish is too smart for me and I have no idea of his plans but he continues to scheme. Sansa having secured Queen of The North might get rid of him??
Tormund Giantsbane and his wildling army are slaughtered at Eastmarch.
The Brotherhood Without Banners arrive at Winterfell and pledge to fight alongside Jon Snow. They head to Eastmarch and engage a small force of Wight's. Jon Snow is mortally wounded whilst fighting and killing undead Tormund but Beric Dondarrion gives his life to ensure Jon survives. The Brotherhood proclaim him Azor Ahai.
Samwell finds a cure for Grayscale.
Bronn is reunited with a forgiving Tyrion
The Unsullied/Dothraki army march towards King's Landing whilst the Greyjoy fleet blockades the port
The Wall is breached, either by force or because Bran passed through it allowing the Night King to follow. Castle Black is destroyed and the Night's Watch are no more.
To be continued in Season 8...
Posted by: Eric Wade 19th July 2017, 02:54 AM
I maybe the only person haven't seen the complete episode of the Game of Thrones series. 
Posted by: Saenerys 23rd July 2017, 09:28 AM
The video trailer for the next two episodes looks amazing! I wonder how Olenna and Daenerys will get along in tonight's episode!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 23rd July 2017, 09:29 AM
Where is the trailer
Posted by: Saenerys 23rd July 2017, 09:32 AM
Game of Thrones wikia - second episode page for Stormborn.
Or YouTube: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HoXDsTIu_10
Posted by: Saenerys 24th July 2017, 08:19 AM
Another strong episode! I didn't expect Melisandre AND Olenna to appear in this episode but it made for a good surprise as I was expecting one of them! The ending I thought was a bit predictable - you could hear something going on above the ships deck before the battle.
Posted by: Jonjo 24th July 2017, 10:12 AM
It was good. I didn't love it though. My fave moment was Arya and the wolves! I feel like that it was Nymeria, hence why they didn't attack her and left her alone to go home
The last 10 mins were exciting too and how disgusting was THAT earlier scene!?! 
Posted by: Saenerys 24th July 2017, 01:51 PM
The last 10 mins were exciting too and how disgusting was THAT earlier scene!?!
I think you're probably right - it would be pointless to reintroduce if it wasn't her!
Which earlier scene?
Posted by: Neil 24th July 2017, 05:08 PM
Confirmed that it was her
Posted by: Iz~ 24th July 2017, 09:37 PM
Well, the last part of the episode brought everything into perspective again, despite the good feelings of this season up to now, it's still a brutal world and Daenerys' perfect plan is gonna go awry. I'm not confident about Grey Worm's chances either, especially after he got that long scene with Missandei (a very interesting one because they're a cute couple if slightly uncomfortable, I guess he's just going to have to MAKE DO with what he has) and he's got way further to go.
Interesting that Nymeria gets reintroduced (incidentally I started welling up at that scene, harking right back to the beginning and it was something I was hoping was coming at some point this season) the same episode that her namesake Sand Snake gets killed, and I guess good riddance to that lot, at least the cutest one is still alive I guess? Cersei will certainly have the prize that Euron wanted to give her when he drags back Myrcella's killers to King's Landing, that will be some juicy revenge.
I am worried for Yara though, I was really warming up to the idea of a badass lesbian queen ruling this world's Vikings, I hope she manages to come back from the depths again. *Euron murders her at the beginning of next episode*
I know no one else will enjoy it but the scene with the Archmaester talking about all the styles their historical authors choose to use and the merits of each was just beautiful. Plus with Sam trying to interrupt him while the old man intellectualises out, that is exactly how I like picturing academia (even if in reality it's a bit more anal). And I like that Sam is risking a lot to help the son of the man he looked up to, plus yay for advancing science!
Posted by: Jonjo 24th July 2017, 10:23 PM
Which earlier scene?
Posted by: Chez Wombat 24th July 2017, 10:44 PM
That was...unpleasant to say the least, usually this show's done enough to not shock me that much but then it gives us that :/ (I loved when it cut directly to the food after it though, I was like 'eeeergh that's too far' :'))
Eek at that last ten minutes, but yeah there was always gonna be a setback. Theon still being so weak is quite saddening, still quite broken inside even without Ramsey 
Guessing Arya could meet up with Bran before she gets to Winterfell for a full Stark reunion? ;o (when/if he's back from his meeting then ofc.!)
Posted by: Rooney 25th July 2017, 07:37 PM
Good episode again, the pace has really improved - perhaps even slightly too fast! There were definitely a few way too convenient moments in the episode.
I slated Euron previously, but he was great in this episode. Like a man possessed. I feel more of this crazy cool Euron is going to be good.. I still think he needs to kill a popular character for him to really have that powerful character. Interested to see what happens to Theon now, surely going through the standard redemption ark (again) is too easy?
Grey Worm is totally gonna get killed this season.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 25th July 2017, 08:00 PM
This series 7 is awful.
Two trash episodes.
Posted by: Iz~ 25th July 2017, 08:09 PM
Care to elaborate specifically? (give me something good to argue you with please)
Yeah, on reflection, Euron was really good this episode, like he's becoming a really properly despicable villain, up to now he's just been rather goofy and not quite in villain territory for me.
Posted by: Severin 25th July 2017, 11:28 PM
Don't hold your breath on that one
Posted by: Iz~ 25th July 2017, 11:48 PM
Yeah, I don't expect anything. I'd just like a good long GoT debate of political debate magnitude so I'm fishing wherever I can find it.
I was reminded earlier, another thing I loved was Varys' impassioned defense of switching sides and the problems of loyalty. Though it's not the first time he's expressed sentiments like that, it's pretty much the point of his character, that wonderful debate in the earlier seasons about power lying where men believe it lies for example, it's the first time I can remember where I really felt like we were hearing what his unfiltered and genuine thoughts were, as someone who will stand up for the people and protect them from the elites.
Also that instead of acting smooth to impress an egotistical ruler, he knows the way to Daenerys' heart is through honesty and strength of actions and changes himself to match that. I love myself a chameleon character.
Posted by: Dexton 26th July 2017, 11:35 AM
I'm finding it so hard to speculate what will happen next this year. So far I've been surprised left right and center in both episodes (I wasn't expecting to see Jorah again nor Nymeria [Wolf Form]) so it's actually really intriguing to think about what comes next.
Euron being the beast he is came out of complete fking no where (literally) and, as much as I did doubt the safety of Daenerys' cunning plan, I did not expect 2 out of her 3 major allies to get decimated so soon.
Posted by: Johnkm 26th July 2017, 11:38 AM
I thought the episode was a little lacklustre really, it all feels a little rushed at this stage. There's very little time for character or the building of tension. That's obviously in part down to the episode count, but also the fact there's just way too much going on most of the time (though this isn't really the show's FAULT). I loved lots of individual moments, Varys showing his true colours was great, he gave her exactly what she wanted yet at the same time he proved exactly what she was accusing him of in the first place.
The absolute moment of the episode though was Yara and Illiria's ALMOST ROMP and the line ''A foreign invasion is underway'' as Theon watches on as she slides her hand down her thigh. I had to pause for a few moments to COMPOSE MYSELF.
Posted by: Saenerys 31st July 2017, 07:46 AM
That episode was OUTSTANDING. Literally on the edge of my seat during the Cersei scenes on the throne and dungeons, the meet up at Dragstone even if Daenerys was a bit of a dick at first and OF COURSE that ending is going to send massive shockwaves for her/her plans as that's two allies down in two episodes!
Posted by: White Mustang 31st July 2017, 08:04 AM
I don't think we need spoiler tags on the Mondays, nobody will be coming into the thread when the episode has just aired expecting to not be spoiled.
Posted by: jafetsigfinns 31st July 2017, 11:51 AM
Olenna died the way she lived - throwing iconic shade and just being an absolute legend.
I'm gonna miss that bitch
Posted by: John-James 31st July 2017, 01:46 PM
Olenna was my favourite character. Gutted that she's gone but she went out in style
Posted by: Saenerys 31st July 2017, 01:53 PM
Just a precaution, would rather be safe than sorry.
Posted by: Johnkm 31st July 2017, 07:44 PM
I R CRY
But f*** me what a way to go. The VENOM as she spat out those words and the UTTER HATE in his eyes. Such an amazing scene. Cersei in the dungeon also gave me proper tingles, mostly because of Illaria's eyes. Lots of EYE ACTING going on this episode. Dany was it it too, casting a condescending gaze over Jon and Davos.
Definitely the best episode of the 3 so far, by quite a margin. I'm also living for the continued ability of Cersei to outflank Tyrion. It won't last but for now I can pretend she will win out and that makes me happy. Euron is also such a JOY to behold. Him calling Theon a twat and then hitting Jamie up for SISTER SEX TIPS was too much.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 31st July 2017, 08:45 PM
I don't think they could've had a more perfect exit for Olenna, I will really miss her.
I never thought an episode where Daenerys and Jon finally meeting could not be the most surprising thing that happened! That dungeon scene was shocking but incredibly done, although on a lighter note, it was fantastic to see Sam succeed with his venture despite the thanks he got. I still hold hope that he will rule over a land where everyone reads books and follows the rules *.*
Posted by: 13 Beaches 31st July 2017, 08:51 PM
INCREDIBLE episode. Best of the series hands down! Olenna's exit was absolutely perfect and true to her character. Loved the shade she threw over Joffrey's death even at the end. I do feel it was her time to go as much as I loved her and I'm just glad she got such a fab exit from the show.
Posted by: White Mustang 31st July 2017, 09:19 PM
How can someone want Cersai to win!? Brilliantly crafted character, but pure, concentrated evil. I really can't wait for her to get her dues.
I really feel like this is the final series...strange to think we'll get a whole nother year+ wait and then another series.
Posted by: Saenerys 31st July 2017, 09:25 PM
But f*** me what a way to go. The VENOM as she spat out those words and the UTTER HATE in his eyes. Such an amazing scene. Cersei in the dungeon also gave me proper tingles, mostly because of Illaria's eyes. Lots of EYE ACTING going on this episode. Dany was it it too, casting a condescending gaze over Jon and Davos.
Definitely the best episode of the 3 so far, by quite a margin. I'm also living for the continued ability of Cersei to outflank Tyrion. It won't last but for now I can pretend she will win out and that makes me happy. Euron is also such a JOY to behold. Him calling Theon a twat and then hitting Jamie up for SISTER SEX TIPS was too much.
The dungeon scene was particular that kiss was such a surprise and the gasps I made after realising after why she's done it like that, outstanding!
I found Dany frustrating in this episode at first - it was clear Jon wouldn't rebel against her but I feel based on what we've seen this week and the snippet for next she's definitely becoming a bit paranoid, perhaps just like her father?
Posted by: Jonjo 31st July 2017, 10:15 PM
I really feel like this is the final series...strange to think we'll get a whole nother year+ wait and then another series.
Cersei is quite possibly the most iconic and (as you said) perfectly crafted villain of all time. Lena is absolutely outstanding. Olenna's exit was without a doubt the most perfect exit for her! What a fucking legend. The whole Unsullied taking Casterly Rock, only to then be defeated by the Greyjoys... ARGH. Infuriating!
I just hope Greyworm survives somehow! But I really doubt it </3Also, did Bran ruin the reunion moment for anyone else, or was it just me? :/
Posted by: Severin 31st July 2017, 11:31 PM
With each week I become more convinced Varys is betraying Dany
Posted by: Dexton 31st July 2017, 11:33 PM
Did anyone really care for the Bran - Sansa reunion? It's great that Bran is somewhat safe now but their meeting was rather underwhelming for me. Understandable though, as how the f*** was Bran supposed to explain everything that's happened to him to her.
Also the Iron Bank siding with Cersei is worrying for Dany, as her possible success in this war diminishes (that is, without utter slaughter). She's lost Yara, Dorne, Highgarden, many of the Unsullied, and now aid from Braavos won't be coming either I wouldn't think. All she has left is the Dothraki and the Dragons which is enough to conquer but not enough to rule.
I believe that in Westeros these days Cersei is actually a strong and powerful leader with not enough enemies remaining on the continent to destroy her. Jon and his foreign Wildling army and Dany and her foreign Dothraki army are fearsome, yes, but no one other than their disciples want them in charge.
Speaking of Jon, what a difficult situation he's in. Can't wait to Serb what happens next
Posted by: Iz~ 1st August 2017, 12:42 AM
The Lannister leitmotifs in this episode were off the scale <3 Even though Cersei is being incredibly awful (I winced when she did all that to poor Tyene & Ellaria), I almost want her to stop, but I'm warming up to Euron and Jaime being part of her maelstrom so I guess we can have a few more episodes of Team Cersei gaining.
Loved Olenna's dying moments at the end, a very dignified way to go, and telling them that she killed Joffrey was a fantastic moment, I wonder how this will affect future Lannister sibling relations if at all.
The Jon meeting Daenerys stuff, some of it felt like fanspeak, but there was enough that felt real that the scenes felt okay, I'm not entirely satisfied, but I loved how Dany felt quite threatening to Jon, as if she herself has the potential for villainy.
I was hoping that Bran was Arya instead. Bran just feels out of place, although I'm sure he'll be important in the war to come. Loved the Iron Bank & Varys scenes though, a lot of powerful figures talking about events they plan to put into motion there, which is always fun if the actors have the charisma, which those do.
Posted by: Severin 1st August 2017, 08:07 AM
Other thoughts -
Jon 'But i' am not a Stark'
Cue Rhaegal flyby - subtle
And I'm now convinced Viserion will be dead before long. Dany's too reliant on their power and he mirrors her brother.
Posted by: Saenerys 1st August 2017, 10:54 AM
Jon 'But i' am not a Stark'
Cue Rhaegal flyby - subtle
And I'm now convinced Viserion will be dead before long. Dany's too reliant on their power and he mirrors her brother.
There's an article on PopSugar about all the Targaryen Stark hints made in this episode, that was included on there! I never thought about that theory of if any of them die it'll be Viserion!
Posted by: Iz~ 1st August 2017, 11:03 AM
But then Rhaegar and Drogo both died as well. It would be interesting if they mirror their deaths though, Viserion dies through hubris, Rhaegal dies in single combat with a powerful enemy (*cough* ice defeating fire *cough*), Drogon dies from something inconsequential. Not that I think all of them will necessarily die but if Viserion dies then Rhaegal at least is not long for this world either.
I like the 'hinting' they're doing though.
Posted by: Severin 1st August 2017, 03:25 PM
Yeah, I'm not convinced any of the Dragons will make the final scene. I think Rhaegal will sort of teem up with Jon since he's named from Jon's father. Beyond that I like the idea of Berric giving up his last resurrection to save Jon but Rhaegal is resurrected by The Night King as an undead Ice Dragon (probably wishful thinking)
Drogon will be the Stallion That Mounts The World as he seems to important and huge to go down easily. he'll be the last to go but there will be no place for Dragon's in the new world order.
This leaves Viserion dying at the hands of Cersei's massive crossbow bolts/St. George (Jaimie Lannister)
Much like Baelish I'm trying to think of every possibility all the time and so most of my theories end up being guff and irrelevant once the latest episode arrives
Posted by: Johnkm 1st August 2017, 03:26 PM
I unfortunately had a few things (if they do ring true) SPOILED for me, but at the same time I am not MOIST with anticipation
Posted by: Iz~ 2nd August 2017, 11:31 PM
I've seen the issues with timeline now and it's really bothering me. More than it should. It was always in the back of my mind actually, but firstly how did Tyrion's two fleets get separated when they should have been going the same way, secondly, Euron has time to get the Dornish-bound fleet with his ships from nowhere but the rocks on the Iron Islands, sail back to King's Landing for swagger and congrats, then go all the way around Westeros again to mess up Grey Worm's fleet just after they take Casterly Rock. And then the Tyrell army (which is supposed to be the biggest in the Seven Kingdoms, so even if some like Tarly defected there should have been enough to defend Olenna and Highgarden for a while, enough to make it significant to something other than a Tyrion voiceover) is nonexistent and the Tyrells are suddenly 'never good warriors'. Spin in your grave, Loras.
It was a good episode otherwise, entertaining enough, but they're rushing things without support from the books and not all the dialog is as high quality as it used to be.
Posted by: Dexton 3rd August 2017, 12:22 AM
It was a good episode otherwise, entertaining enough, but they're rushing things without support from the books and not all the dialog is as high quality as it used to be.
You can't say that the meeting between Dany & Jon wasn't high quality dialog
Posted by: Severin 3rd August 2017, 12:43 AM
I figured it this way.
Euron's fleet is built (there are questions over how quickly but I can waive those as we don't know any details of Greyjoy resources)
He sails to King's Landing.
Around this time Yara sails to Slaver's Bay. This journey appears to be at least 50% further again than Euron's. Euron's fleet is completed around the same time Yara arrives at Volantis. Yara then goes on further to meet Dany. By the time they've left Slaver's Bay Euron is virtually at King's Landing.
As Cersei herself states everyone expects her to land and Dragonstone and Euron knows this too.
He therefore heads to Dragonstone not long after meeting Cersei but holds back waiting to see what Dany does. When he sees the GreyJoy/Dornish fleet leave he follows before attacking - they never reach Dorne.
At no point is it suggested that the Iron Fleet sails at the same time as the Unsullied. This would be a tactical error if they did.
It is worth noting that Dorne is relatively close to KL - seperated only by Storm's End. Euron returns to Cersei. Makes hsis point and immediately sets sail fpr Casterly Rock. It is entirely probable that only Euron and a small escort returned to Kings Landing and the bulk of his fleet followed the Unsullied to prepare for the attack. By the time the Unsullied have arrived Euron is not far behind. In the time that the Unsullied have disembarked, prepared, marshaled their troops and taken finally Casterly Rock the Greyjoy fleet is in position to attack.
It is entirely reasonable to suspect Euron has the fastest ships too.
As for the Tyrell's, even with the largest army there's no expectation of a surprise attack involving the Tarly's from the South and Lannister's from the North. The Lannister's have the best army in the land and no army would station all it's troops in one location. The Tarly's would have walked in unopposed (as Allies) and the Lannister's would have cleaned up on their way down. By the time the Tyrell's realised they were under attack they'd already lost.
I agree it's not well explained in the show but I think it still mainly works
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 3rd August 2017, 05:31 PM
This season is TERRIBLE.
I will explain later but the timings are off, armies have been buffed like characters in a computer game or retroacrively debugfed, Lanbisters suddenly have 1000s, Greyjoys are suddenly the best warriors ever and can teleport, Danaerys sailed riiight past her allies to a place OPPOSITE KING'S LANDING LEFT UNOCCUPIED FOR YEARS!!!!! without stopping to plan with said allies, has them sail back and forth, Greyjoy SOMEHOW ginds them and kills two assassins, pfft.
Ridiculous.
Boring.
Tale told by an idiot.
Posted by: Severin 3rd August 2017, 11:02 PM
I will explain later but the timings are off, armies have been buffed like characters in a computer game or retroacrively debugfed, Lanbisters suddenly have 1000s,
No, the numbers stack up. The Lannister army has been stated by the show in the past and Martin at this point to be around to be around 60,000 men excluding the garrison at King's Landing.
The Reach commands around 80,000 but that is before Randall Tarly switches allegiance and not all would be at Highgarden and they are acknowledged not to be the best fighting men. The Lannister army is. Tarly's inside knowledge, the Tyrell's lack of leadership and the element of surprise gives the Lannisters a comfortable victory.
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There are approximately 8000 Unsullied who have no trouble taking a deliberately undermanned Casterly Rock (normal garrison of 10,000).
They are not defeated but their ships are lost.
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Yara Greyjoy is stated to have arrived with over 100 ships of indeterminate quality and size. You wouldn't use that number if it was significantly more - you'd say 150 ship or nearly 200
Euron orders a 1000 ships and is noted as the most feared naval captain in the realm. We don't know how many he commands but it's no stretch to believe it's a superior force to Yara's both in number and ability.
Yara has no hope in a straight naval battle with Euron and the surprise attack destroys her fleet with ease.
Book knowledge but Dorne's status is small and the Sand Snakes not as skilled as their reputation suggests. It's all bluster
Once Highgarden falls you can expect most remaining minor houses of The Reach to side with Cersei or sue for peace, removing it's navy from play
Dorne without a leader is likely to end it's rebellion and return to isolationism or fielty
If anything the Lannister's army will have grown with their victories.
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I'll grant you that leaving Dragonstone unclaimed is possibly a tactical error but not without precedent in human history - Plus the Lannister's don't have much of a navy to speak of.
Knowing Dany would take it first (and everybody did) does however provide tactical advantages.
I'll also agree Dany's plans have sucked but nobody in her team is much of a military strategist and huge armies with multiple allies can easily breed over confidence.
Posted by: White Mustang 4th August 2017, 10:42 PM
Episode 4 is possibly the tensest episode I've ever seen.
I'm shook.
Posted by: Jonjo 4th August 2017, 11:04 PM
OMG. How have you seen it???
Posted by: White Mustang 4th August 2017, 11:09 PM
It leaked. Twenty of the best minutes of the show ever.
Posted by: Severin 4th August 2017, 11:11 PM
It was leaked online this morning. Quality is so so but it's watchable.
It's the episode we've all been waiting for
Posted by: Severin 4th August 2017, 11:13 PM
Yeah that bit was great but it was Fewer that won it for me
Posted by: Saenerys 5th August 2017, 07:03 AM
All links since have been removed
Posted by: Saenerys 5th August 2017, 08:01 AM
OMG I AM SHOOK!!!!! I haven't screamed at a TV episode since the season 13 finale of Greys - that was SPECTACULAR. I was convinced Dany was a goner at the end of the episode BUT DROGON YES!!! Outstanding, best battle of the franchise!!!!!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 08:15 AM
Omg can someone pm me a link that is still workin???
Posted by: Severin 5th August 2017, 08:19 AM
Your inbox is full
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 08:31 AM
OH MY GOD@@
1 SECOND I FORGOT
Posted by: Severin 5th August 2017, 08:33 AM
Sent
Posted by: White Mustang 5th August 2017, 09:30 AM
One of the best episodes...ever?
I knew Jamie wouldn't die, so I don't know why they're trying to bluff us to make it look like he's drowning, if he was going to get it, the show would have shown him getting his face burned off. But yes, Bron should have died for shooting the Dragon, though I would not be surprised if they killed him in the next episode.
All in all though, that was so gripping, I was physically shaking afterwards. I find it unlikely Dany will make it to the end of the show with more than one Dragon alive, but, I'm not ready to lose one yet.
Posted by: Saenerys 5th August 2017, 09:52 AM
I knew Jamie wouldn't die, so I don't know why they're trying to bluff us to make it look like he's drowning, if he was going to get it, the show would have shown him getting his face burned off. But yes, Bron should have died for shooting the Dragon, though I would not be surprised if they killed him in the next episode.
All in all though, that was so gripping, I was physically shaking afterwards. I find it unlikely Dany will make it to the end of the show with more than one Dragon alive, but, I'm not ready to lose one yet.
Loyalties aside, he was stupid to even attempt what he did. I do feel Dany losing a dragon is going to happen sooner rather than we think especially now they know that their bow works after attacking Drogon. I'm so glad someone else was shaking because as you say, one of the best episodes ever and in the franchise.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 10:35 AM
Seen it.
Pfft.
Teleporting is alive and well for objects as well as people and fleets it seems.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 10:59 AM
They are making the Lannisters too powerful. All Danny did was destroy 1/4th of their numbers and NOT their allies and a bit of corn. The gold MAGICALLY teleported itslf back to King's Landing to buff the Lannisters some more.
Either she gets armour for her dragons oe I lose all faith in the series. That cannon f***in sucks and that gross man who fired it should have died right there and then.
The Lannisters are being made too powerful through coincidences and teleportation to protect the last human enemy.
Howeverrrr I LOVED Arya vs Brienne, although Arya should have won. Her reunion was better than last week's but STILL lacking and a bit disappointing. Why was Sansa scared of her? Surely she deduced she was trained and it was she who killed the Freys? Littlefinger was LIVING for it.
Posted by: Saenerys 5th August 2017, 11:03 AM
Either she gets armour for her dragons oe I lose all faith in the series. That cannon f***in sucks and that gross man who fired it should have died right there and then.
The Lannisters are being made too powerful through coincidences and teleportation to protect the last human enemy.
Howeverrrr I LOVED Arya vs Brienne, although Arya should have won. Her reunion was better than last week's but STILL lacking and a bit disappointing. Why was Sansa scared of her? Surely she deduced she was trained and it was she who killed the Freys? Littlefinger was LIVING for it.
Will you stop going on about teleportation? No series is ever perfect with timings and the more time you spend moaning it the less you'll enjoy the series
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 11:05 AM
No I won't as it is a JOKE at this point that they are still doing it to protect the Lannisters. They have a villain problem this season and so are just buffing and buffing the Lannisters and, basically, they are soing it with magic outside the limits of the rules of their universe.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 11:07 AM
Our text colour the same???
Thank you being a fan of Beaver Feaver
Posted by: Severin 5th August 2017, 11:15 AM
w WS the gold teleported?
At the beginning they load it up.
A small contingent of troops escorts it on horseback to Kings Landing as they can move faster than an army can march.
They then return to their unit. Standard procedure for an Imporant prize or asset.
It seems like you're really stretching to criticise for the sake of it and not thinking it through
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 11:20 AM
At the beginning they load it up.
A small contingent of troops escorts it on horseback to Kings Landing as they can move faster than an army can march.
They then return to their unit. Standard procedure for an Imporant prize or asset.
It seems like you're really stretching to criticise for the sake of it and not thinking it through
It just reads as complete coincidence that she arrived AFTER when in the scene before they were JUST getting it/ organising the corn. They would have protected it with the army. They just keep buffing and buffing the Lannisters to drag it out. They need to return the favour and give Danaerys armour for her dragons, especially as I am convinced at least ONE will die vs the White Walkers for it to come back breathing ice - songs of fire and ice. Debuffing the dragons just saves on special effects budgets and shows they favour the Lannisters.
Posted by: Severin 5th August 2017, 12:45 PM
It just reads as complete coincidence that she arrived AFTER when in the scene before they were JUST getting it/ organising the corn. They would have protected it with the army. They just keep buffing and buffing the Lannisters to drag it out. They need to return the favour and give Danaerys armour for her dragons, especially as I am convinced at least ONE will die vs the White Walkers for it to come back breathing ice - songs of fire and ice. Debuffing the dragons just saves on special effects budgets and shows they favour the Lannisters.
The Lannister army has not been buffed. From day one it was the 2nd largest and best trained and equipped army in the realm.
Also no. Keeping the gold with a large number of troops like we saw with Jaimie would be a military no-no. Large numbers of troops take too much time to maneoeuvre and are too large and obvious a target for an attack. They are easily spotted and have to make many more frequent stops. When they do stop it's a very slow process to pitch wagons, tie horses, feed men etc.
By contrast a small squad of 10-20 riders with a wagon or two of gold can move much faster and secure their new spoils as quickly as possible. Because they are much more mobile than can evade detection much better and do not need to stop anywhere near as often or for as long. This would be standard military practice for the time. These days it would be airlifted out immediately. Number one priority is secure the asset.
If you think about it, The Lannisters took Highgarden relatively quickly. A raven or rider was probably sent during the battle to inform Danearys. That information would not reach Danearys for some time. The Lannister army immediately splits its ranks, some staying with Jaimie others head elsewhere. The gold is then immediately sent to Kings Landing with an escort. Bronn heads to encourage some farmers to pay up and has time to do so before rejoining Jaime.
The episode make it clear that this is the rearguard of stragglers. Tarly even suggest whipping them as they need to cross the Blackwater Rush by nightfall. This is the major river just west of King's Landing so even if they did keep the gold with the main force it would still be in King's Landing by the time Danearys arrives.It is news of Casterly Rock that spurs Danearys into action and that would take longer to arrive than news from Highgarden, so it makes sense that she knows where to look for the army. She still has ships for the Dothraki and they're a horse nation so can move with pace. Drogon can locate the army from high and lead the Dothraki to a good attack position.
It also make sense to keep Rhaegal and Viserion at home for defense in case of attack from elsewhere. Also they have no rider to best co-ordinate attacks and she has a better understanding with Drogon.
I agree that Dany needs armour for those dragons but she's probably lacking in a skilled blacksmith right now. I wonder when he'll show up...
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 02:02 PM
Hmm.
Speaking of blacksmiths, WHERE IS THE KING'S SON WHO ESCAPED WITH ARYA BACK IN S2 AND WHERE IS THE CASTLE BLACKSMITH OF WINTERFELL??
Could we be seeing a return?
Posted by: Dexton 5th August 2017, 02:19 PM
Please stop saying "magic" and "teleportation" and other crap like that. There's time-skips and fast horses, get over it.
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HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE THOUGH. I literally had to pause after the dragon came in because I was in complete shock and awe. I've seen Dany use dragons to burn people alive before, sure, but now this is in Westeros and is against her 'true' enemies there's just so much more depth and power in it. It's also super f***ing badass.
I'm glad Bronn's bolt didn't kill the dragon because that whole scenario would have just been a joke: Bronn being the first person to ever kill a dragon in the show. Bronn should've died, if not when the "dragon killer" was burned, but when he pushed Jamie out of harms way at the end. It seems like I hate Bronn but he's actually one of my favourites in the entire series (aside from the main players anyway). I just think his time is over and his death will have more of an effect on how Jamie views the war. Although everything that happened this episode could have a similar effect on him, so what do I know?
Bran is such a c**t these days. I get he's been through a lot but that's no reason to a) talk to Sansa about her rape, b) tell everyone about Arya's list, or c) re-gift a present from Littlefinger. He was cruel to that other girl who's brother died too, but I forget her name.
Posted by: White Mustang 5th August 2017, 02:49 PM
In regards to the dragons...
I think, armour or not, it's unrealistic to think she'll have all 3 to the end. But really, for the final battle she only needs one.
Posted by: Saenerys 5th August 2017, 08:25 PM
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HOLY SHIT WHAT AN EPISODE THOUGH. I literally had to pause after the dragon came in because I was in complete shock and awe. I've seen Dany use dragons to burn people alive before, sure, but now this is in Westeros and is against her 'true' enemies there's just so much more depth and power in it. It's also super f***ing badass.
I'm glad Bronn's bolt didn't kill the dragon because that whole scenario would have just been a joke: Bronn being the first person to ever kill a dragon in the show. Bronn should've died, if not when the "dragon killer" was burned, but when he pushed Jamie out of harms way at the end. It seems like I hate Bronn but he's actually one of my favourites in the entire series (aside from the main players anyway). I just think his time is over and his death will have more of an effect on how Jamie views the war. Although everything that happened this episode could have a similar effect on him, so what do I know?
Bran is such a c**t these days. I get he's been through a lot but that's no reason to a) talk to Sansa about her rape, b) tell everyone about Arya's list, or c) re-gift a present from Littlefinger. He was cruel to that other girl who's brother died too, but I forget her name.
I'm glad you dislike Bran as I've always found the Starks grating personally. Totally agree he was an idiot in this episode so so boring to watch and all valid reasons you've listed too.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 08:36 PM
Bran is not helped by his AWFUL ACTING.
I just read a couple comments that episode FIVE just leaked?
Posted by: dandy* 5th August 2017, 08:43 PM
Not sure why I'm putting this in spoiler tags as it's nothing more than my own thoughts but anyone else think that Arya will eventually die while in disguise? I can see her being killed by a family member whilst she has the face of one of their enemies.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 08:55 PM
I believe she will, but not in disguise - I think she will die vs the white walkers with Needle in hand.
In the books, Jon says run away or you will be found dead as winter thaws and the snow melts. You will be found with a needle in your frozen hands.
Posted by: dandy* 5th August 2017, 09:05 PM
I hope not, I don't feel like Arya's story to date entwines itself particularly well with the White Walkers. I feel it would be a better story if she somehow met her demise via her quest.
Looking through the remaining characters, it's astonishing just how many of them feel completely surplus to requirements when it comes to the story of the throne. And that's something that this series is making me feel, it's like anyone who doesn't really have a chance at the throne is basically waiting for their death scene.
Posted by: White Mustang 5th August 2017, 09:13 PM
I don't think Arya will die, not at least until the final battle. I feel as though her and Brianne might take on The Mountain together.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 5th August 2017, 09:20 PM
It would more likely be her and the Hound vs the Mountain together.
Posted by: Jonjo 7th August 2017, 07:11 PM
So that episode... wow.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 7th August 2017, 08:39 PM
I'm still kinda reeling...I don't know where to begin (idk if I should spoiler this, but you shouldn't be looking in the thread rlly) Soooo glad that the proper dragon action came at last, that last twenty minutes was just incredible. I feel like Bronn should've definitely died there (I do really like him as a character, but I agree he doesn't feel necessary at this stage), and a bit worrying that the dragon could already be hurt by that, it's certainly foreshadowing she's gonna lose at least one of them soon (as sad as that will be ). For all her power in that scene, she must have lost a lot of respect from her advisors for that reckless move so it's interesting how much it will cost her! Jamie clearly isn't dead so idk why they bothered with the ending, but I still loved that cutting between him, Tyrion and Daenerys.
Lovely as it is to see all the Stark children together, I do wonder what will happen now as they are clearly all want completely different things. Also, I need to know what Littlefinger's intentions are, he's becoming almost creepy and surely he knows the Stark children will kill him on the spot when they find out his involvement in their father's death...
Posted by: Mart!n 7th August 2017, 09:09 PM
I'm still reeling at tonight's episode, the battle scenes were awesome, probably the best episode of the season, especially with the Dragon practically annihilating a whole army.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 7th August 2017, 09:25 PM
Making the dragons so weak - and making it so DISGUSTING CLIPPY NAIL BRONN!! damaged the dragon to appease the alpha male types - was vile and a joke. The alpha male sexists are now raging at Danaerys for beating Jamie and that gross man and saying the LANNISTERS are the good guys!!
Don't they remember um ANY OF THIS?
1. red wedding
2. JEOFFERY
3. Jamie Lannister is Jeoffery's dad and would have killed to protect the vile beast
4. He is in an incestous relationship with his sister!!
5. His sister used wildfire on half of King's landing - including innocents. This is fine but Danaery using dragon fire vs alpha males is not ok as, as one DELIGHTFUL YT commentator put it, 'Danaerys shouldn't have dragons, should be --redacted, aggressive sexual desire-- as men are superior in every way'. :/ :/ :/ VILE.
Empowering those alpha male characters is emboldening the Pepe Trumpanzees and sexists. They should be killed off immediately. Their mind views are so warped that they see the Lannisters as good because they represent a challenge to a woman with dragons and real power. Bronn and Jamie are beige as anything too, especially Bronn. This is Stannis all over again!
Jamie and that gross man interestingly SHOULD have died, as the extra armour creates so much drag, especially in a deep body o water, that it makes it impossible for them to swim, much like Virginia Wolfe using stones in her pockets. It is physics.
Posted by: jase. 7th August 2017, 09:34 PM
Where is the proof that "alpha male sexists" are raging? I'd legit love to see it...
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 7th August 2017, 09:36 PM
All over youtube!
I'm not sure how to link to specific comment threads though?
Posted by: White Mustang 7th August 2017, 09:38 PM
I have a feeling Dany will string Bron up in the next episode. Hope so anyway. How dare he shoot Drogon.
I think Viserion will become a White Dragon at the war in the north.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 7th August 2017, 09:45 PM
I think so too, then in the next series Bran will warg into him and 'fly' as the 3 eyed raven said ... unless that was aboot him flying as ravens?? Then with the ice and fire dragons united, they will beat the WW with a song of fire and ice.
However the WW REAAAALLY jar with the political side o GoT, so I just don't see how they reconcile that with the fight for the Iron Throne. It doesn't gel and seems like it will be a mess. This season is already all over the place.
Posted by: Rooney 7th August 2017, 10:56 PM
Personally as far as a battle went, I much preferred Hardhome. Great episode though and totally tense throughout as I think this was the first actual battle we have seen this series where we as the audience did not know who to root for.
Bronn and Jamie will be alive - I imagine they will both escape and not be captives. Bronn must serve a bigger purpose, I imagine he's probably one of the ones that makes it to the end otherwise it would have made sense for him to get bunged off in the battle.
Surely this episode was highlighting Dany turning in to the Mad Queen though? While the gold got away, the Lannisters lost all their food and supplies. You can tell Tyrion was beginning to lose belief in Dany - the shot on the hill gave it away.
Posted by: Jonjo 7th August 2017, 11:17 PM
The only thing that really got me was the whole water bit... surely it wasn't THAT deep that close to land?!
Posted by: Iz~ 7th August 2017, 11:52 PM
Uh wow, that battle, visually breathtaking. And the tension as it started, not quite Hardhome but the closest thing this series has come to replicating it - that deep pause before it started felt like a deliberate attempt to mirror it. I am surprised after all that that no one important is dead, that can't stay the same. Though with Bronn, I feel he has to be alive to confront Tyrion along with Jaime, Tyrion could have heard that his former friend died on the opposite side but it would have felt a bit anticlimactic. Still, at least Drogon's all fine, I was trying to see if I'd missed identification of the dragon but Dany wouldn't ride anyone but Drogon.
Yep, Missandei saying she serves Dany because she wants to, because of all the good things she has done (as does everyone from Essos, even the Dothraki who've just given their lives), Dany asking Jon quite forcefully for his opinion and then ignoring it even when he is quite rational, again asking him to bend the knee, all pointing to at the least a major crisis of faith in Dany soon.
Otherwise, my highlight was Arya showing off her light weapon skillz, but it does feel like she (and Bran for that matter) really don't fit into normal life anymore.
Posted by: Saenerys 8th August 2017, 06:41 AM
Next weeks trailer suggests there is losing faith in Daenerys from some of her camp. I think she's justified in this episode though in terms of the dragon/fire techniques. She's on the battlefield and has killed out of response to what shes suffered as losses so far. Not only that the men she killed weren't innocent civilians like Cersei had blown up at the end of season 6, these are soldiers who have made the commitment. If anything that might win over some of the survivors but I won't hold my breathe it would be interesting to see Jaime and Bronn held captive it would feel almost full circle for when he was last captive to Catelyn but it would be such a valuable thing to have over Cersei at this point! Imagine her fury if Jaime didn't get away
Posted by: White Mustang 8th August 2017, 07:36 AM
I think it's just a curveball for Dany, she'll look like she's lost her following / turning evil but pull it back in the last episodes and take the throne.
Posted by: Severin 8th August 2017, 10:05 AM
I'm not sure how to link to specific comment threads though?
This is why nobody in their right mind reads youtube comments. It's the place where all the stupid people go to rant and post their ill-informed opinions
Posted by: Severin 8th August 2017, 10:26 AM
Don't they remember um ANY OF THIS?
1. red wedding
2. JEOFFERY
3. Jamie Lannister is Jeoffery's dad and would have killed to protect the vile beast
4. He is in an incestous relationship with his sister!!
5. His sister used wildfire on half of King's landing - including innocents. This is fine but Danaery using dragon fire vs alpha males is not ok as, as one DELIGHTFUL YT commentator put it, 'Danaerys shouldn't have dragons, should be --redacted, aggressive sexual desire-- as men are superior in every way'. :/ :/ :/ VILE.
Empowering those alpha male characters is emboldening the Pepe Trumpanzees and sexists. They should be killed off immediately. Their mind views are so warped that they see the Lannisters as good because they represent a challenge to a woman with dragons and real power. Bronn and Jamie are beige as anything too, especially Bronn. This is Stannis all over again!
Jamie and that gross man interestingly SHOULD have died, as the extra armour creates so much drag, especially in a deep body o water, that it makes it impossible for them to swim, much like Virginia Wolfe using stones in her pockets. It is physics.
Not an advocate of the Lannisters but to balance the argument
1. The Red Wedding was an act of betrayal by Walder Frey and Roose Bolton that the Lannisters took advantage of. They're not the arch villians of the piece but they play a part.
2. Joffrey - He really was a c**t wasn't he? Hard to defend him so I won't
3. What father wouldn't? Jaimie would have been aware of his son's problems but he was rarely able to be a true father to him. Robert, Cersei and Tywin take the most blame here.
4. Incestuous relationships have a long historyin Westeros. You cannot use it as an argument against the Lannisters without acknowledging the Targaryens made it an institution
5. Cersei is a monster too but her destruction of the Sept at Baelor wiped out a huge swathe of a monstrous cult who were arguably the worse of the two.
The scene with Ed Sheeran earlier in the season is intended as the counterpoint to this weeks battle. We see Lannister troops who are just everymen, doing a job and who simply want to go home and see their families. They are no monsters, it is those in power who are. Arya sees it in that moment. It's what makes Danaerys destruction of so many ordinary soldiers so horrific. Whether you believe they fight on the right side or not.
I've been a supporter of the Targaryen claim since the first season and believe she's the rightful heir but she's equally as monstrous in her own way. She just talks a lot nicer at first.
There are no claimants who are without fault in the show. Maybe Gendry or Jon Snow but they would fail too.
That's kind of the crux of the story so far, so for anyone to go on about good guys and bad guys is missing the point. Nothing is black and white. It's all shades of grey
Posted by: Cherry. 8th August 2017, 11:28 AM
i am SHOOK. that final battle was everything!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 8th August 2017, 12:34 PM
Yep, Missandei saying she serves Dany because she wants to, because of all the good things she has done (as does everyone from Essos, even the Dothraki who've just given their lives), Dany asking Jon quite forcefully for his opinion and then ignoring it even when he is quite rational, again asking him to bend the knee, all pointing to at the least a major crisis of faith in Dany soon.
Otherwise, my highlight was Arya showing off her light weapon skillz, but it does feel like she (and Bran for that matter) really don't fit into normal life anymore.
But she does follow his advice?
She uses dragons on their armies instead of the innocent.
She doesn't have them JUST for self defence. They are like bombs. The Geneva convention is hardly at work in Westeros!
I think most of their army would have fled at thr first sight of what the dragon did tbh. It was unrealistic for them to stand in rows and be barbecued alive.
Also I agree r.e Bran and Arya. It now feels like they should both be in the wilderness, Arya especially.
Posted by: Saenerys 8th August 2017, 01:07 PM
She uses dragons on their armies instead of the innocent.
She doesn't have them JUST for self defence. They are like bombs. The Geneva convention is hardly at work in Westeros!
I think most of their army would have fled at thr first sight of what the dragon did tbh. It was unrealistic for them to stand in rows and be barbecued alive.
Also I agree r.e Bran and Arya. It now feels like they should both be in the wilderness, Arya especially.
No she doesn't because he said something along the lines of if you use those you'll be more of the same ruler people have had.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 8th August 2017, 01:10 PM
If you use those AGAINST INNOCEBT PEOPLE by BURNING CASTLES AND CITIES.
She ABSOLUTELY folloeed his advice by burning the Lannisters. They are not innocent and neither os their army.
Posted by: Saenerys 8th August 2017, 04:10 PM
She ABSOLUTELY folloeed his advice by burning the Lannisters. They are not innocent and neither os their army.
The principle still remains though. Regardless of who or what she burned the spectacle remains the same.
I've just been rereading this thread after watching the trailer with Sansa speaking about the lonely wolf dies but the pack survives. It's a long shot but do we think that could refer to Daenerys and Jon as both could be argued as lone wolves and the Targaryen line lives through both of them?
If so we could lose either one of those two!
Posted by: Severin 8th August 2017, 04:31 PM
Danaerys took Jon's comments on board and refrained from burning King's Landing. She dropped the equivalent of a f*** ton of napalm on a legitimate military target using what these days would be considered a weapon of mass destruction. She effectively used them as a weapon of terror.
But the Lannister army is largely made of up of ordinary folk who took the only well paid job they could do. That doesn't make them monsters anymore than it does the British army soldiers who invaded and occupied Iraq in 2003 under the orders of Tony Blair.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 8th August 2017, 04:44 PM
But it also means they are not innocent and had just finished slaughtering the damn Tyrells!!
I don't know why people want dragons if they think she should not use them against a LEGITIMATE military target? Dhe is being VERY testrained, as she and Lady Odell both remarked.
No, the lone wolf speech refers to the Stark family only. I think it is foreshadowing Arya and Bran's deaths.
Posted by: Severin 8th August 2017, 05:12 PM
I don't know why people want dragons if they think she should not use them against a LEGITIMATE military target? Dhe is being VERY testrained, as she and Lady Odell both remarked.
No, the lone wolf speech refers to the Stark family only. I think it is foreshadowing Arya and Bran's deaths.
I didn't say they were innocent. Just that they're ordinary soldiers doing their job. Death in battle is a clear risk and that comes with the job. If you think for one second the Tyrell army wouldn't have slaughtered them given the chance then you're wrong. However, Dany just upped the stakes in terms of vicious slaughter. Dying in a sword fight against an equally armed and able foe is one thing but dragons are a new level of terror.
Dany using the dragons the way she did shows the ultimately she considers her right to sitting on the throne as more important than the lives of the ordinary people of Westeros. Cersei isn't that disimilar. It's what Jon warned against and he's the only major player so far who is concerned with what's good for the people.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 8th August 2017, 05:35 PM
They CHOSE their side and they chose to figt and kill for the Lannisters. It is NO DIFFERENT to whrn TYRION'S!!!!!!!!! plan against Baratheon was WILD FIRE.
Posted by: Severin 8th August 2017, 05:46 PM
That's a massive assumption. Ever heard of National Service or conscription? Maybe they joined during peacetime. Any number of connotations there.
But yes Tyrion's plan was horrific too.
Maybe you're finally getting it.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 8th August 2017, 06:09 PM
We are talking about medieval warfare. This is what it was like. They used boiling oil on enemies, tortured and maimed. Life was cheapened by so much purposeful death and so fed the circle. You are ascribing modern day morals to age old battes.
Posted by: Iz~ 8th August 2017, 06:30 PM
Well... most of those are events that probably only happened a handful of times. Most medieval lords didn't want their troops to get killed and would only go into full-scale battle if they knew they had a significant advantage over the enemy. Their morals weren't totally out of the window. I think Severin's got a pretty good handle on it.
Posted by: jase. 8th August 2017, 06:42 PM
it ain't that deep guys
Posted by: John-James 9th August 2017, 08:07 AM
Are people really arguing over a damn TV show?
Posted by: Iz~ 9th August 2017, 10:49 AM
That is what this topic is here for...
Going in depth and geeky as possible, and none of us is losing friends over it, we're just discussing. Besides, I find the morality of the whole thing really interesting.
Posted by: Dexton 9th August 2017, 11:27 AM
Tyrion, Cersei, and Daenerys are the only ones in the show so far to have used any weapon of mass destruction. Tyrion used wildfire against Stannis' navy, Cersei used wildfire against a religious cult, and Daenerys used dragon fire against an advantaged Lannister enemy. All three times have been when a certain individual or group is disadvantaged and currently losing, and is using it as a last resort.
The only instance in which, to me, it seemed immoral was Cersei. But even then, she was ridding Kings Landing of a vicious cult that was taking over from the crown. If not for her, the game for the throne would have become a joke and Daenerys probably would've turned her ships back and denied us the Drogon vs Bronn fiasco
Posted by: Saenerys 14th August 2017, 09:42 AM
This weeks episode was decent but it was always going to be difficult following up last weeks episode.
Cersei stole this episode for me - that reveal to Jaime and the way she'd set Bronn up to take Jaime to Tyrion was clever. I am getting bored of Arya though - if any of the Stark's have to go, I would like it to be her.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 14th August 2017, 12:29 PM
Wtf - she is by far the best Stark.
Bran can't even act.
Posted by: Cherry. 14th August 2017, 12:37 PM
Bran needs to go
That jon reveal though *.*
Posted by: Oliver 14th August 2017, 12:47 PM
Yeah Arya is my fave, Bran my least fave (is it the acting or is his character genuinely a c**t who seems to have no regard for anyone's feelings other than his own?).
Posted by: Saenerys 14th August 2017, 04:01 PM
I retract my previous statement - can Bran go first because Oliver summed it up perfectly!
Bran to go first, then Arya. I've REALLY warmed to Jon Snow since he went over to Dragonstone so I hope he doesn't end up going - it would be unlikely given what happened at the end of season five/start of six, but you never know.
Posted by: Severin 14th August 2017, 09:12 PM
Best moments were Jon and Drogon, still rowing and the brilliantly casual Rhaegar/Lyanna marriage bomb.
Posted by: Iz~ 14th August 2017, 10:42 PM
I know they didn't need to say anything more but SUCH A TEASE
Felt scared for Arya playing against Littlefinger, that's not going to be pretty when it comes to a head.
Liked the discussion about the morality of executing the Tarlys, further to the theme of 'daenerys is going to be such a bad queen'. Was great to see Gendry again, particularly paired with Davos, I loved that scene with them and the soldiers, even though I knew exactly how it'd play out, Liam Cunningham has such a natural way of playing Davos, I always look forward to his scenes.
I did want Hardhome part 2 from the title though so a bit disappointed the episode ended where it did, but I guess that'll be next week.
Posted by: Rooney 14th August 2017, 11:19 PM
Next week is set up so nicely.. surely they're not all coming back!?
Lots of subtle hints thrown in throughout the episode, I also picked up on the marriage hint! Surprised to see the Tarlys burned to a crisp, but I guess it serves a purpose for Sam now.
Posted by: burbe 15th August 2017, 07:56 PM
Lots of subtle hints thrown in throughout the episode, I also picked up on the marriage hint! Surprised to see the Tarlys burned to a crisp, but I guess it serves a purpose for Sam now.
As long as The Hound, Gendry and Jon survive it's all good!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 15th August 2017, 08:11 PM
That gross man with the awful and fake accent needs to DIE.
Posted by: dandy* 15th August 2017, 08:17 PM
I'm no longer at all sure how I would like this show to pan out. Dany doesn't appear to learn any of her lessons and I'm less keen on her winning now, the Starks don't really want the throne so I can't see that being a satisfying ending either - as for the Lannisters well it would just not be a fitting end.
I sort of want it to end with Kings Landing burning to the ground and Cersei to die melting into the throne, both destroyed forever! Jon can have the North and Dany can have the South by building something brand new.
Posted by: Rooney 15th August 2017, 08:49 PM
To be honest I think the only ones at risk are Beric, his mate and Tormund.
If Ser Jorah bites it, I fully expect him to sacrafice himself for Dany or to see Dany die in front of him. Guessing Gendry might have some importance to the story and The Hound has to the face The Mountain at some point? No way Jon dies.
Posted by: Saenerys 15th August 2017, 08:51 PM
I was reading on Popsugar that Gendry might smith weapons out of dragon glass but it'd be all very quick imo.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 15th August 2017, 08:54 PM
I sort of want it to end with Kings Landing burning to the ground and Cersei to die melting into the throne, both destroyed forever! Jon can have the North and Dany can have the South by building something brand new.
That's how I want to see it end too!
Posted by: Oliver 15th August 2017, 08:56 PM
Yeah Gendry is definitely going nowhere, definitely not having him like missing for 4 seasons to suddenly appear and die near enough straight away.
Posted by: Iz~ 15th August 2017, 10:28 PM
If Ser Jorah bites it, I fully expect him to sacrafice himself for Dany or to see Dany die in front of him. Guessing Gendry might have some importance to the story and The Hound has to the face The Mountain at some point? No way Jon dies.
How about an undead Hound being the captured wight and then he somehow ends up facing the undead Mountain... zombieCleganebowl?
Beric I think will die to show the Night King's power, that he can cut through death, and this will leave Thoros blindsided and dead. Thing about Tormund is that if he dies then we have no one left to speak for any of the wildling forces... so that'll mean they'll have no more importance to the story except as speed bumps in the WWs path.
Posted by: Jonjo 16th August 2017, 10:25 AM
HBO Spain have shown episode 6 "by accident"
So PLEASE. If you have seen that episode, use spoiler tags until Monday! Thank you!
Also, if you can, try avoiding using emoticons in the spoiler tags. They dont get covered up! ;D
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 16th August 2017, 12:15 PM
Yes I know someone here who has already seen it
By accident my arse.
Ridiculous episode. Awful.
Posted by: Cherry. 16th August 2017, 02:34 PM
i have 15 mins to go but just had to pause it because i'm crying too much. f***. that scene
Posted by: Cherry. 16th August 2017, 02:52 PM
okay i just finished and f***ING HELL. i cried at one of danys dragons getting killed but f*** at it now being a white walker :'( her stepping in to save jon tho and that ADORABLE scene of them at the end is making me stan so much which now means one of them will die next episode. f***ing little finger and his plan to split up the stark sisters working argh, i was just starting to love them both at the same time and i have no idea who to side with now :|
Posted by: Saenerys 16th August 2017, 06:22 PM
That spear throw was UTTERLY ridiculous and completely unrealistic. How on earth, magic aside and capability, would anyone be able to throw and aim that far? I think this is the first time I actually felt a sad emotion watching the show - definitely could have welled up at that ending, poor Viserion *cry emoji here pls* Dany HAS to end up on the iron throne now, I'll accept nothing less!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 16th August 2017, 06:29 PM
Absolutely this.
Vile scene and just beyond the realms of credibility.
If that spear had killed him, which is doubtful - how did it pierce his scales or have enough momentum after a throw by a humanoid creature to hit it with such force following distance travelled - it would have done so by severing arteries or by breaking his neck. If the first, it would have bled a LOT more. If the second, it would have died instantly and not screamed and wailed. They did that for extra impact as I KNEW they would. I knew they would have rhe dragon scream in agony. Vile.
Posted by: Jonjo 16th August 2017, 07:07 PM
OMAFG.
Posted by: Rooney 16th August 2017, 07:29 PM
I'm going to have to watch it - there is no way somebody won't spoil it for me somehow. It's bad enough trying to avoid spoilers on a Monday, never mind for 5 days!
Posted by: Saenerys 16th August 2017, 07:31 PM
Assuming you have watched it. Which bit is this in response to?
Posted by: Jonjo 16th August 2017, 08:07 PM
Oh and it was in reference to the whole ep haha. Def one I'm gonna have to see again!
Posted by: burbe 16th August 2017, 08:09 PM
THAT EPISODE WAS SO INTENSE!! I didn't think the killing of the dragon was particularly realistic - well as realistic in a world with dragons. If any were to die it should have been Drogon who was in much easier reach. The battle scenes were fantastic though. Best since Hardhome!
Posted by: Severin 16th August 2017, 10:21 PM
The spear throw angle seemed off completely but the choice of target seemed odder. Drogon was a sitting target, the biggest one and had the enemy on it. Why go for Viserion - unless there's a Bran related reason????
But I'm willing to accept that a supernatural creature has extreme strength and can throw it hard enough to pierce - if he can throw it at an olympic standard 60 mph and Viserion is coming in any opposing direction at the same speed that's a huge force on the point of impact - equivalent to 120mph . That'll really hurt anywhere, plus it's in the neck which is clearly home to vital blood vessels and there's a ton off blood coming out on the way down. He's alive all the way on his descent andc clearly in trouble but the impact of the crash probably killed him off.
Posted by: jase. 16th August 2017, 11:21 PM
SO tempted to watch but the sound quality is absolutely atrocious. How am I gonna avoid spoilers for another 4 days tho? 
Posted by: Rooney 16th August 2017, 11:28 PM
I found one which was perfect quality.
Great episode you're in for a treat, very very intense. When Tormund was being overun by the dead I really thought he was a goner. That was intense. That ending shot though...
Posted by: Jonjo 17th August 2017, 12:03 AM
I thought the same in regards to the walkers choice in dragon, however, it seemed like his target was going to be Drogon, but he saw Viscerion fly around and look as if he was flying his way, so it seemed like it was actually the most logical choice, otherwise despite getting Drogon and potentially only getting a leg or something (so Drogon could still fly away), he would have been flamed by Viscerion regardless!
Also: if Tormund dies before seeing Brienne again, I will actually riot!!
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 20th August 2017, 11:02 AM
Has anyone read the supposed leaks for S8?
There are 2 different sets of them, but both have some similar things happening in both, but they also disagree about MAJOR things: one set has Arya dying, the other has her surviving, for example, when we ALL know those are the ONLY two outcomes :lol:
One set is more palitable than the other.
But both are just really bad tbh :/ . Hope they aren't real BUT they leaked after the hack, soo :/ Seeing as there are TWO COMPLETELT DIFFERENT sets, except for some things and a couple charcter deaths being the same, at least one set won't be.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 21st August 2017, 09:20 PM
Wow, didn't think the Roseroad battle could be beaten, but this might have just done that An absolutely stunning battle to look at and Dany's face when Viscerion went down was (though I did suspect it) heartbreaking :'( Very enjoyable episode, they are really pushing it with the suspension of belief with these time lapses. Casterly Rock & The Wall might as well be next to each other with how quick it took both Dany and Gendry to get back (Although I didn't really have a problem with what others were saying about the spearing of Viscerion, it's The Night King, if anyone can take down a dragon like that, it's him! Yeah he could've gone with the landed dragon, but would it have looked as cool? 
)
Am quite concerned now that one of the Stark children isn't gonna make it past next week alive Especially with Brienne not there to protect Sansa from Littlefinger! Argh
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 21st August 2017, 09:23 PM
I am more worried for Littlefinger.
This whole season makes no sense, but BRAN is sat right there. He won't let Little Finger do anything, and once Arya knows he killed theor father ...
Posted by: Saenerys 21st August 2017, 09:36 PM
What I've read about season 8 I REALLY don't know what to believe and the only one I would buy into is Danny's storyline. The spear in this weeks episode - Viserion SO unrealistic whether he's the night king or not that throw was immaculate and that ending with the eye was so sad #TeamTargaryen
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 21st August 2017, 09:42 PM
It WAS over the top and unrealistic, night king or not.
I also believe her storyline - the details are different in the two sets of leaks, but the overall theme.is the same. I'm not sure which Arya's to believe, but I prefer her Season8 Valor Morghulis one.
Posted by: kye 21st August 2017, 10:52 PM
the king of a race of thousand-year-old ice creatures kills a fire-breathing dragon with a flying spear.. and it was over the top & unrealistic?
no shit.
Posted by: Severin 22nd August 2017, 11:47 AM
no shit.
You forgot to mention the spear is magical too. But otherwise spot on
Posted by: Severin 22nd August 2017, 11:50 AM
This whole season makes no sense, but BRAN is sat right there. He won't let Little Finger do anything, and once Arya knows he killed theor father ...
Bran is dead.
Maybe the Three-Eyed Raven just doesn't give a shit. Especially if it turn's out he's the Night King
Posted by: Iz~ 22nd August 2017, 03:12 PM
Great stuff. Only thing that concerned me was the party holding out for long enough for a raven then a dragon to fly from the Wall to Dragonstone but maybe they were just bored sitting around on the ice, the dead are remarkably patient.
Viserion going down and then resurrected I had suspected but that didn't make it any easier to watch. At least Tormund survived, my heart was in my mouth at that point.
Thoros got a good send off with that reminder of his battle skills, less so Benjen, whose appearance felt a little bit like an asspull even though we knew he was out there.
Posted by: Iz~ 22nd August 2017, 03:14 PM
Oh and with Sansa and Arya at each other's throats I almost thought Arya would kill Sansa after that. Littlefinger must be cackling.
Posted by: T Boy 22nd August 2017, 04:54 PM
Are people really slating a show with dragons for lack of realism?
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 22nd August 2017, 04:58 PM
Yes.
There is such a thing as INTERNAL logic for a show, fantasy of otherwise, Jesus Wept that is not difficult to comprehend 
A raven, dragon and Gendry teleporting was beyond the pale before even mentioning that silly ice spear throw. If he has that much strengh, John Smow would be crushed under one clash of their swords. Physics are presumably the same in both worlds yes?
Posted by: Severin 22nd August 2017, 05:08 PM
Personally I'm not convinced Littlefinger isn't being played by the two girls but it's certain that story is rushed a bit.
As for them holding out long enough for Daenerys to arrive... Someone did the math and calculated about 4 days travel time from the moment Gendry leaves and also 4 days for the ice to set too. They calculated with homing pigeons instead of fantasy ravens so you could probably shorten that part of travel a bit and who knows how fast dragons fly. The polar areas are known to have perpetual day or night depending on season and the director has pointed this out as something they played on. Deliberately leaving the time frame vague and suggesting their world may be smaller than that of the books. I agree it's vague and open to criticism - a single line of dialogue or extra scene would have corrected this but if you can't suspend disbelief in a fantasy show that doesn't have the time or money to not have to skip over small details to get to where it has to be and it's ruining if for you then stop watching.
Plus, if you go back to the scene where Bran sends the ravens to spy on the Night King it very much looks like the exact same spot 'the fellowship of the wight in a bag' are stranded at. Given that most people agree the Night King is at the very least a greenseer (or possibly Bran himself) it's likely he knew full well that they were coming and it was a trap to snare a dragon. He also wargs into the wight at one stage so can listen in on their plans.
You can also explain the choice of Viserion as the target over Drogon (as well as other reasons being pointed out - soft underbelly, about to burn his position) as it gives him a better chance of getting two dragons/actually getting one. If he throws and misses Viserion no-one really notices as the spear ends up nowhere and he gets another go. Throw at Drogon and everyone will see it and flee/react so he only gets one go and Drogon's posture and angle is protecting his weak spots making it a hard kill
TL:DR He wanted a dragon, knew they were coming and held off the full attack until he knew the dragons were imminent.
Posted by: T Boy 22nd August 2017, 05:37 PM
There is such a thing as INTERNAL logic for a show, fantasy of otherwise, Jesus Wept that is not difficult to comprehend
A raven, dragon and Gendry teleporting was beyond the pale before even mentioning that silly ice spear throw. If he has that much strengh, John Smow would be crushed under one clash of their swords. Physics are presumably the same in both worlds yes?
So what? Is it worth ruining your enjoyment of the show? I could probably pick away at all the films/tv I like to watch in the same way, but I don't because it's not important to me. If I do, it's usually because I've found something amusing, rather than just hating on it.
And if it affects you so much, I can't see why you'd continue to watch it. Unless you're watching just to moan about which defies our in universe logic tbh.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 22nd August 2017, 05:49 PM
Do you watch it?
If not, why are yu in here comig for me?
Goodbye.
No, Westeros is the size of SOUTH AMERICA. The Night King has been in the march since season TWO and had gone nowhere. He magically appeared outside of the cave Bran was in, but can't march fown a relatively small patch of land?
Those are just barefaced excuses for EXTREMELY poor writing, sorry. I will stop watching before s8 as the spoilers are vile and show how much it has fallen.
Posted by: T Boy 22nd August 2017, 05:55 PM
If not, why are yu in here comig for me?
Goodbye.
No, Westeros is the size of SOUTH AMERICA. The Night King has been in the march since season TWO and had gone nowhere. He magically appeared outside of the cave Bran was in, but can't march fown a relatively small patch of land?
Those are just barefaced excuses for EXTREMELY poor writing, sorry. I will stop watching before s8 as the spoilers are vile and show how much it has fallen.
I do watch actually, and I enjoy it a lot. I don't find the writing poor and I find the episodes quite engaging, particular the most recent one. I might not post here much but that's mainly to avoid spoilers as I get behind at times.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 22nd August 2017, 05:57 PM
The writing rn is contrived beyond belief. It is one of the worst written shows I have seen recently - and that is a loong way to fall frm once being the best.
Posted by: T Boy 22nd August 2017, 06:00 PM
But if I'm still entertained, then I don't see a problem. I've got other things in my life to take this seriously.
Posted by: kye 22nd August 2017, 06:08 PM
This.
Posted by: Rooney 22nd August 2017, 08:29 PM
The writing is certainly poorer this season without the source material - it's clear they probably could have padded out 10 episodes too, but I think for actors contractual issues plus just the time + effort it takes to film, edit and market they have condensed it down. Hands down it is still the best show on TV right now for pure entertainment. Just enjoy the escapism.
Posted by: Severin 22nd August 2017, 08:35 PM
Exactly. It costs $10m per episode n average, and they just don't have the resources to make more episodes without a sigificant amount of headache and obstacle. It may not be perfect but it's still astonishing tv
Posted by: White Mustang 23rd August 2017, 08:29 AM
The Arya/Sansa storyline is absolutely terrible. Hopefully there's some sort of twist, because the way it's playing out is undoing a lot of the previous writing that sculpted both characters so well.
Posted by: Oliver 23rd August 2017, 10:00 AM
Yeah I was commenting when I watched it to someone else saying that the Arya/Sansa change is putting me off a bit. Arya has been training for the past few years, doing all this faceless man shit; surely she should have learnt to be a little sceptacle of Littlefinger instead of blindly falling for his cunningness and taking things out on Sansa.
Posted by: Chez Wombat 23rd August 2017, 01:12 PM
I think/hope that this could be a double bluff from Arya and that her and Sansa will both kill Littlefinger next episode after figuring out his involvement in their father's death (after all, Sansa does have the dagger now). It's been a while since we've had a relatively big character die and it feels like he's not been as instrumental this season.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 27th August 2017, 11:43 AM
Is it true the last one leaked?
I can't find it.
Posted by: jase. 27th August 2017, 01:31 PM
I don't know about the actual episode. All I can find is
"With just over a day to go for the Game of Thrones season 7 finale, the HBO hackers have reportedly sent its detailed plot outline to publications like Mashable, The Independent and a reddit user, in addition to releasing it on the "deep web"."
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 27th August 2017, 01:47 PM
Oh right - that's what people were going on about. I have known the entire plot before the first episode. I could havr told them that stuff if they wanted!
Posted by: Saenerys 28th August 2017, 08:25 AM
OH MY WORD. Outstanding!!!!!!!
The Winterfell scenes were amazing - Sansa was definitely up there as an episode highlight, especially the way she turned it around onto Littlefinger when you were led to believe it was Arya facing trial. Incredible performance from Sophie Turner and I don't think I can remember stanning for a Stark EVER. I was worried for Jaime at one point though when he was chatting to Cersei, it was all too much I did think the ending was amazing but I felt the CGI was a bit jarring?
Posted by: Severin 28th August 2017, 05:34 PM
No real surprises in a satisfyingly great finale.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 28th August 2017, 06:37 PM
It confirms the S8 spoilers, with thr Golden Company moving in.
Shan't be watching S8.
Posted by: Saenerys 28th August 2017, 06:43 PM
Shan't be watching S8.
There were also spoilers of Jorah supposedly dying, Littlefinger making an attack towards Sansa which is when Arya would kill him and many more. I think with the leak of scripts etc people are making up so called spoilers for the fun of it.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 28th August 2017, 06:45 PM
I think the emails that leaked detailing who GRR said can be on the throne, who can (has to?) die, and the scripts, following the leak, starting in Eastborne WITH THE CHARACTERS WHO WERE THERE IN THE END EPISODE , including Golden Company teaming up with Euron, are correct This is what happened in the episode too more or less. It confirms the spoilers to come.
Posted by: Klaus 29th August 2017, 11:47 AM
Not sure what I think of this season! It's obviously going to be one of (if not the) hardest task to start to wrap up such a gigantic story and to do it without the original source that the series was based on.
It has been great to see all the characters finally coming together (particularly with Jon, Daenerys and Cersei all in one scene!!) however that has led to much less focus on each character's individual journeys/storylines which I think is the main reason why I feel a bit odd coming out of the season. It is certainly delivered the most epic season of TV I've ever seen though with so many glorious set pieces and moments. I do sort of side with the criticism though that the characters we were left with for this season are all the big 'safe' characters where there's no real risk of death until the final season where anything could happen. I do also get the teleportation/timing issues, more in the fact that the White Walkers have taken FOREVER to walk such a small distance when Jon Snow can go all around in one episode. Although, if they were waiting on a dragon, that might make a lot more sense. I would rather have this whole 'teleportation' thing though because there's limited time left and I just want them to get on with things!
It has been a huge moment in TV and certainly sets the final season up to at least be the most visually spectacular thing ever seen on TV. There is a lot of burden on it though to end it satisfactorily and, however they do it, I'm sure it'll be disappointing!
The ending of the last episode though was spectacular. You knew it would be coming but my jaw was still wide open as we realise the kingdom is truly no longer safe! (i did laugh at the Night King riding the dragon though!!)
Posted by: Rooney 29th August 2017, 08:13 PM
Yes the Night King riding the dragon at the end looked proper dodgy CGI.. for some reason I would better like to know the White Walkers motives? My only criticism is while although we have known 'Winter is Coming' since the very first episode, so much has been made of the Battle for the Iron Throne, so a massive battle just seems totally out of place. That said, I totally understood Cersei's double-cross with Euron and it was an excellent twist. I guess my only criticism of the episode really was the scenes in Winterfell just looked a little out of place? It used to be fine with so many little stories, but this season we are focused on 2-3 areas maximum rather than 5-6 different storylines.
Also Michael, as for those Season 8 leaks? I don't buy them. I have read them all and while I am not doubting some of it is true, it can just so easily have been made up with bits of information that we already know. Some of the leaks contradict where characters are at the end of the finale, and also what the characters themselves have even said..
Posted by: Saenerys 29th August 2017, 08:22 PM
Also Michael, as for those Season 8 leaks? I don't buy them. I have read them all and while I am not doubting some of it is true, it can just so easily have been made up with bits of information that we already know. Some of the leaks contradict where characters are at the end of the finale, and also what the characters themselves have even said..
Even when you couldn't see the NK and Viserion was flying, it looked like a puppet on invisible strings. The finale was amazing but that is a massive downer on it unfortunately.
I'm with you on the supposed leaks. The only one I buy and really don't want to is Daenerys supposedly getting pregnant with Jon's child and dying while giving birth on Dragonstone only because it seems a plausible circle ending for both her and Jon, herself being born there and Jon's own mother dying in childbirth. However having said that I am sure there was a so called leak which claimed Cersei was going to blow up the army of the dead with the remaining wildfire and rule from Casterly Rock which never happened so...
Posted by: Rooney 29th August 2017, 08:35 PM
I'm with you on the supposed leaks. The only one I buy and really don't want to is Daenerys supposedly getting pregnant with Jon's child and dying while giving birth on Dragonstone only because it seems a plausible circle ending for both her and Jon, herself being born there and Jon's own mother dying in childbirth. However having said that I am sure there was a so called leak which claimed Cersei was going to blow up the army of the dead with the remaining wildfire and rule from Casterly Rock which never happened so...
That to me is just lazy writing if Dany dies during childbirth. Also Jon is meant to die by being burned alive.. I thought Targarean's couldn't die from fire?? And a dead Bran is meant to be resurrected as a White Walker after the Night King has been defeated.. yet it was pretty much stated kill the Night King and kill all the Wights/ White Walkers. Also Theon is meant to be in Winterfell, yet he's sailed off to the Iron Islands.
For me it was far too many re-hashes of well-known theories. While I completely expect both Dany and Jon to die I am not sure it will happen in that way.
Posted by: HausofSZA 29th August 2017, 09:48 PM
I think Cersei is going to die during childbirth. Doesn't the prophecy say she has three children so another still born that actually ends her will be the ultimate price to pay for her character and one of the most cut-throat mothers ever.
Posted by: Saenerys 30th August 2017, 08:08 AM
For me it was far too many re-hashes of well-known theories. While I completely expect both Dany and Jon to die I am not sure it will happen in that way.
What makes you think both of them will die?
that would be brutal but then again, this is George R R Martin we are talking about! There is a prophecy that her brother would kill her which is why shes always assumed Tyrion and hated Tyrion. If the child is Jaime's that would be an interesting twist to have her die in childbirth with his child.
Posted by: White Mustang 30th August 2017, 09:28 AM
The episode was a bit predictable.
I would have not shown the Night King bringing Vissy back to life at the end of the last episode, it would have made the ending at least somewhat more shocking.
Posted by: Dexton 30th August 2017, 09:40 AM
It would be fitting, ironic, and amazing for Jaime to kill Cersei. The 'Kingslayer' becoming a 'Queenslayer'. Or even for her to be correct in assuming that Tyrion would kill her, and him becoming the Queenslayer with his brother the Kingslayer. The prophecy allows for both
Either way, if Cersei doesn't die at the hands of one of her brothers (or both ) then there's a huge missed opportunity. Cersei's child being born a dwarf would also be an incredible plot twist and a big "f*ck you" to Cersei herself too. She'd then assumingly kill the baby (
) as it's a dwarf and thus Tyrion would turn against her again (I believe he's made a sneaky deal with Cersei for her heir to take the throne after both wars are over) and plot her murder with Jaime.
Posted by: White Mustang 30th August 2017, 09:43 AM
I think brother Jamie will kill Cersei but then we'll find out it's Arya as Jamie.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 30th August 2017, 01:12 PM
I think Arya will kill her, as the little sibling.
Posted by: Saenerys 30th August 2017, 02:11 PM
Either way, if Cersei doesn't die at the hands of one of her brothers (or both ) then there's a huge missed opportunity. Cersei's child being born a dwarf would also be an incredible plot twist and a big "f*ck you" to Cersei herself too. She'd then assumingly kill the baby (
) as it's a dwarf and thus Tyrion would turn against her again (I believe he's made a sneaky deal with Cersei for her heir to take the throne after both wars are over) and plot her murder with Jaime.That would be such a good twist given how much she despises Tyrion! Now Jaime appears to be siding with Jon and Daenerys I wouldn't be surprised if he did end up taking her out alongside Tyrion.
Posted by: Severin 30th August 2017, 04:54 PM
Cersei's prophecy says that
'...when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you'
To me that doesn't sound at all like dying in childbirth, however I can imagine the child being deformed/stillborn or a dwarf would be enough for her to kill it and drown in her own tears. And enough cause for Jaime to do the deed.
I do like the Arya twist on it but I don't see it being as rewarding a conclusion for Cersei.
On a side note - I wonder if Bran has bothered to check and see who crippled him
Posted by: burbe 30th August 2017, 09:06 PM
That would be really iconic tbf
Posted by: Chez Wombat 30th August 2017, 09:27 PM
Jaime killing Cersei would definitely feel the most 'appropriate' way, in terms of wrapping their arc up. I think when I first started watching I thought she was more moral than him! I somehow can't see Arya making it through alive, but I hope I'm wrong. At least one of the Starks are dying and I'd hazard a guess it won't be Jon. I feel like there's no way that this could end that would genuinely surprise everyone at this point especially with no source material, but then again I've been proved wrong with this before.
Slightly unrelated (and probably not important) but I was discussing a theory with my friend that Samwell Tarly writes the history story that is the events of Game of Thrones and calls it 'A Song of Ice and Fire', would be quite a wonderful last scene, when we get to the point.
Anyway, was a wonderful series finale, I did see a lot of it coming but that didn't make it any less entertaining. Gonna be an agonising wait until the concluding part.
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 30th August 2017, 09:30 PM
That Sam fan theory is utter crap. It is lifted right out of LOTR. If you want to see that scene, watch LOTR. It would be as crap as the fake Geordie with that insulting pardy of an accent, which no one has, and which i insulting to the north, saying, 'ah therr ya wur still rarrin ya berrt' to please fans.
Posted by: dandy* 30th August 2017, 09:34 PM
Now it would work if the final scene is Sam finishing writing the 5th book and then saying "Ah f*** it, I can't be arsed to write the others".
Posted by: Chez Wombat 30th August 2017, 09:36 PM
Well George R R Martin has likened himself to Sam more than the others!
Posted by: Saenerys 31st August 2017, 06:46 AM
Obviously Winterfell is en route to Kings Landing so I wouldn't be surprised if the two Starks there did get some action and near death before anybody else.
Posted by: White Mustang 31st August 2017, 08:17 AM
At this point, if a Stark dies I think it'll be Bran - after some sort of ultimate hereoric effort / sacrifice. There's really no need for him when all is said and done.
Posted by: Severin 31st August 2017, 12:10 PM
It's not a Geordie accent. It's meant to be unspecific but if anything it's Lancastrian.
But if you're going to quibble over accents, Dinklage's is pretty variable in quality, and Coster-Waldeau's and McCann's own accents come through far too frequently too.
Aiden Gillen's is all over the place but I'm willing to put that down to a character choice
Posted by: Severin 31st August 2017, 12:13 PM
I'm voting for Sansa to die. Not as a preference, just I think she will.
Whatever happens, after it all plays out the chances of there always being a Stark in Winterfell are remote with Bran being the only male heir left
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 31st August 2017, 04:48 PM
Sansa will rule Winterfell, so a Stark will remain. Arya I think will wander off. John Snow ... death or kingship in south really.
Posted by: Severin 31st August 2017, 05:13 PM
But my point was after Sansa or Arya there won't be any more Starks. If either marries, her children would take his name and a bast*rd cannot inherit lands or titles.
Jon is a Targaryen and Bran doesn't really exist anymore and certainly isn't interested in being a father.
With no male heirs the Stark name will be gone
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 31st August 2017, 05:19 PM
No.
I can guarantee a male would take the Stark name as it is more powerful, unless said male is a Baratheon or Lannister. Sansa might not give hers up anyway.
Posted by: Severin 1st September 2017, 04:10 PM
I can guarantee a male would take the Stark name as it is more powerful, unless said male is a Baratheon or Lannister. Sansa might not give hers up anyway.
That would effectively be asking the entire Kingdom/continent to change it's rules on succession without any challenge or without throwing Westeros into chaos, and whilst not impossible, it would be terrible writing and a betrayal of everything the show has done to build a believable world. I don't believe for one second GRRM would be that sloppy to sanction that.
Sansa has given up her name twice already.
Posted by: HausofSZA 1st September 2017, 04:32 PM
Have you all seen the wolf formation that the white walkers form.. A theory saying they're being controlled by Bran 
Posted by: Severin 1st September 2017, 04:40 PM
Yeah. I've not been quite sure what to read into that. Whilst it potentially suggests that B=NK might have some truth to it, it could be a deliberate bum steer or even coincidence (doubtful)
If we take it as a wolf's head the fact that is is reversed does seem symbolic of a reversed Stark but zooming out from that close up does add more detail that suggests it's inconclusive
Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 1st September 2017, 04:46 PM
Sansa has given up her name twice already.
Wrong, it would be fantastic writing.
Posted by: Severin 1st September 2017, 05:02 PM
It would be conventional heroic fantasy writing, which is fine if you like that sort of thing but it isn't what made Thrones great in the first place
Posted by: Iz~ 1st September 2017, 11:14 PM
Okay, I've finally managed to see this and I can get stuck in on all your theories! I thought it was wonderful of course, with the highlights being Sansa, Arya and Bran masterfully outmaneuvering Littlefinger and of course the ending scene, which I have pretty much been waiting for ever since I started becoming a fan of this.
I expect one of the first scenes of Season 8 to be something along the lines of Tormund & Beric escaping to Castle Black and then dying with Edd Tollett to a proper White Walker battle. Beyond that, I can't really tell who'll die and when. This season has been really quite light on deaths, it's been a very transitional, fast-paced season, basically moving everything around to the singular focus of the GREAT WAR. So I'm hoping that because of that, next season will feel more complete with more time to focus on the horrors of war.
Even though it didn't last, it did feel rather good to have Cersei promise her support, an uncharacteristic thing for this show to do so I'm not surprised they broke that. And it's nice we got Jon's true heritage and name (I didn't realise that was part of it), but interspersing that with a sex scene with the person who's just revealed to be his aunt, well... it's what the Targaryens do I suppose.
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