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Posted by: TheSnake 1st June 2016, 08:46 AM
There has been no new trance in the Top 40 or even being played by the likes of radio 1 since the cover of Roxette's Listen To Your Heart by DHT and Edmee in late 2005 even that as a one off for the time, as house had taken over as a chart force by then.
I just think its weird given the number of people who look back fondly to the trance era.
I know some say Porter Robinson - language was trance, but most say that was progressive house.
Opinions please...
Posted by: BillyH 1st June 2016, 09:32 AM
I always saw the end of the trance "era" as early-mid 2003 - there's a few hits over the next few years but they generally went low top 40 or didn't stay around long.
I'd also argue the last true "trance" top 40 hit was Flio & Peri's 'Anthem' in December 2007, which just sneaked in at #39 although the genre had completely lost commercial success by then -
For me it's by far my favourite dance genre, and despite complaints that half the songs sound the same, I can listen to almost any of them - especially during its 1999-2003 peak - and absolutely adore them. I like to think there'll be a major revival sometime this decade but I've got horrible visions of Tinie Tempah/Pitbull etc rapping over the top of Carte Blanche, so maybe it is best it stays in the past 
Posted by: Chez Wombat 1st June 2016, 09:45 AM
Alan Walker's Faded I think at least sounds trance-esque, it's not proper trance but it's the closest we've got to a big trance hit in a long time...
It's really quite strange, there's been similar 'revivals' in sound for a lot of similar early 00s dance sound, and that can still be heard today, yet this has remained lodged in the past, I would think it would still have commercial appeal as well? It's probably my favourite dance genre so it's a bit sad to see 
(I remember 'Anthem', great song <3)
Posted by: TheSnake 1st June 2016, 09:59 AM
I thought the Alan Walker track sounded more like mild dubstep like Sub Focus - Tidal Wave. I would say the Kygo and Kodaline track was most similar to trance.
Yes there have been some early and mid 00s dance revival examples recently and the new Clean Bandit track sounds a bit like something that came out of the funky house boom c. summer 2004 - summer 2006, the Sigala, DJ Fresh and Imani track 'Say You Do' sounded like Fly On The Wings Of Love mixed with drum and bass and the 99 Souls track was like 'Out of Touch' by Uniting Nations or 'The Weekend' by Michael Gray. And in 2013 the big room house songs did sound like the old early 00s hard house like Scooter a bit 
I general, concerning trance, there has been nothing in the charts with the lovely atmospheric trancey whirring in the background of this.
David Guetta and Vassy's Bad had some very trancey music in the verse.
Posted by: Atonement 1st June 2016, 10:08 AM
I used to miss trance music in the charts when the dance music in the charts became shit and too poppy (my opinion of course), but now I've accepted it as a thing of the past. Although just once I would like to transport back to 2000 and see how club life was back then.
I hadn't heard that 'Anthem' song before but it sounds nice.
Posted by: danG 1st June 2016, 10:08 AM
I think songs like 'Faded' are the closest we're going to get to trance in the chart, I accepted long time ago that big trance songs like Sandstorm/Insomnia weren't ever going to make a comeback
Posted by: TheSnake 1st June 2016, 10:10 AM
I hadn't heard that 'Anthem' song before but it sounds nice.
What about this from 2013 which went low top 40
Posted by: danG 1st June 2016, 10:11 AM
That's progressive house. (though I guess it kinda has a trancey feel to it).
Posted by: mdh🏠 1st June 2016, 01:17 PM
I anticipate me being wrong, but isn't This Is What It Feels Like by Armin van Buuren trance?
Posted by: Ne Plus Ultra 1st June 2016, 01:20 PM
Not even close, it's progressive house. His only trance song that made the top 40 in the UK is "Communication" in 2000.
Posted by: danG 1st June 2016, 01:22 PM
It's debatable. I'm not too sure myself if it's progressive house or trance, it does sound a lot less trancey than Armin's usual stuff though but that's cause it's more commercial.
Beatport classifies it as trance though so we'll go with that.
We can definitely agree it's not trance in the same way as the early 00s stuff was trance anyway.
Posted by: Mdh 1st June 2016, 01:34 PM
Yeah, it could go both ways however even if the song isnt especially trance, there are definitely trance elements in the song that may hint it to be so.
I would have mentioned Language but that probably falls into the same category as This Is What It Feels Like - although it is a bit more trance-ish than it. It is time we had another big trance hit though!
Posted by: Steve201 1st June 2016, 02:04 PM
I miss Dave Pearse' trance trousers!!
Posted by: liamk97 1st June 2016, 03:33 PM
What exactly is the definition of trance music/what makes it differ from other dance genres?
Posted by: Dobbo 1st June 2016, 05:14 PM
20 year rule. Trance will be back with a bang later this decade 
Posted by: TheSnake 1st June 2016, 06:35 PM
And so will funky house
That was around in the charts at the same time as trance and a bit after too reaching its peak in the mid 00s before dull electro took off. As will like Scooter-esque stuff too also around at the same time, Scooter were great too, Nessaja and Weekend were great tunes as was Posse (I need you on the Floor) and of course the Logical Song. Such a great time for dance music. We haven't heard much of any of the main early and mid 00s dance styles this decade, so it would be great hearing them again.Anyway, Dobbo, do you have solid examples of the 20 year rule actually taking place?
Posted by: Dangerous Cody 1st June 2016, 06:37 PM
If this became big we wouldn't be having this problem at all
Posted by: Ethan 1st June 2016, 09:25 PM
there’s an opportunity to make a lot of money from a trance bubble, similar to that of the edm one of this decade, so imo it's a matter of when not if we'll see a revival~
isn’t the retro clock supposed to be 25 years? in which case we’ve just clicked into 1991, now we just need a canadian male to spend an inordinate amount of time at #1... 
Posted by: Iz~ 1st June 2016, 09:35 PM
Trance making a comeback would be very appreciated, it's hands down the most consistent type of dance for me and by that reckoning my favourite type. At least the early 00s version, the more recent ones with trance influences being mentioned are less consistent.
It won't come back in the same way I doubt, just a phase shift from these trance-influenced tracks about now into something more recognisably trance. Which we'll probably then invent a new subgenre for.
The retro clock thing I always see as being 15-25 years, more towards the earlier end, true, but we've had the beginnings of early 00s throwbacks in other genres so it may not be far off.
Posted by: TheSnake 2nd June 2016, 09:14 AM
I think the last top 10 trance hit was Miracle by Cascada in March 2007, but that was more pop trance
Posted by: BillyH 2nd June 2016, 01:55 PM
Cascada I lump in with Ultrabeat, Basshunter etc as your standard noughties Eurodance pop - the beats are a little harder but the melodies are more simplistic than the multi-note anthems of trance. In a way they bridge the gap between the trance-dominated early noughties and the beginnings of EDM urban dance-pop (Guetta/Harris etc) in the late noughties.
I always found the Eurodance "revival" of late 2007-mid 2008 fascinating, Basshunter getting a huge #1 (ahead of some woman called Adele) and Cascada, Ultrabeat and most spectacularly Scooter selling tons of albums. It seems forgotten now but looking back it signalled the end of rock/indie's noughties chart domination and a major shift towards the club bangers of the 2010s. And it meant I got to see them all live on stage thanks to Clubland and Hard2Beat's arena tours, which provide brilliant memories of my late teens!
Posted by: djgrafdemon 2nd June 2016, 11:31 PM
Oh guys, while reading this topic I came to conclusion that something went wrong on one of steps. When these hard times have come: David Guetta or Kygo came trance DJs? Nonsence, sorry. Of course I agree with AvB's sound commercialization, so TIWIFL and his latest attempts can never pretend to be counted as trance music (by the way, his shadow new track with Dutch band Kensington *that I hope will get a release date and a name soon* previewed at Dutch TV show is pure trance and needs to smash everything around).
As for real trance, I don't know about UK but our radiostations were in love with This Light Between Us by Armin featuring Christian Burns 5 yrs ago. This track seems to be the last thing to remember about radio-friendly trance music on my mind.
Anthem 
Cicada Radio Mix was also pure bliss
And I do believe in the revival in 3-5 years.
p.s. Scooter band released their 18th album in February 2016 with 3 singles followed, the last one, Mary Got No Lamb, had got a video last week (for those who are glad to see old heroes back)
Posted by: TheSnake 7th June 2016, 03:44 PM
But there was the funky house of mid 2004 to mid 2006 and the electro house of mid 2006 to the end of 2007 between and they kind of dominated the dance scene between trance and urban dance pop.
I also find it fascinating how in 2013, eurodance kind of returned too in the form of big room house, the likes of David Guetta, Showtek and Vassy's Bad does sound very 2003- early 2004 eurodance. As does the likes of Martin Garrix and Dmitri Vegas' Tremor and Showtek's Earthquake in having simple very hard melodies in the chorus, like Special D's Come With Me or even earlier stuff like Cosmic Gate's Fire Wire, which maybe was the first big room house song.
Posted by: BillyH 7th June 2016, 10:03 PM
The main noughties dance trends I think of - at least in terms of major top 10 chart success - are UK garage (until 2001), trance (until 2003), looped/funky house (2004-06), electro (2006-07), bassline garage (2007-08) and the modern definition of EDM (from 2009), though all sorts of styles came and went throughout the decade if not quite as hectic as the 90s. Others came close - 2002 looked at one point to be the big year drum & bass was gonna explode into the pop mainstream, after two huge top tens from Puretone and Shy FX early in the year, but it stalled a little after that and only really got going, in chart terms, a few years later. Obviously the genre itself was almost a decade old by that point and had produced big albums from Goldie and Roni Size, but I'm talking in commercial pop terms in the way DJ Fresh, Sigma, Rudimental etc can score #1 singles in a way that would be unthinkable a decade ago. I remember when Pendulum only just got top 40 with 'Slam' and in 2005 that was a massive achievement!
"Clubland" style Eurodance-pop was kinda always there from 2002-08 but faded in and out of major popularity, with a big run of mainstream success in 2007-08. I think of Scooter's 'The Logical Song' as an early example, and then Come With Me, Everytime We Touch etc right up to the last few Basshunter hits - I think he just lasted into 2009 although obvs '08 was his big year.
Posted by: TheSnake 16th June 2016, 03:23 PM
Was this trance?
Posted by: spun 16th June 2016, 03:37 PM
hm I don't think so, Wikipedia lists it as progressive house also.
Posted by: gooddelta 22nd June 2016, 03:01 PM
Wasn't I'm Not Alone by Calvin Harris trance? Sure the production had electro elements to it too but those synths were pure Mauro Picotto.
Posted by: gooddelta 22nd June 2016, 03:05 PM
I still listen to a lot of trance myself, and most of my favourite ever dance songs are from the trance genre (I even favour the 2001 Rob Searle remix of Set You Free over the original).
Not much of the stuff around now is standout enough to catch the ear of Spotify users but I'm sure it will come back into favour at some point in the next decade, Faded is as close as we've got in a while as mentioned above.
Posted by: TheSnake 22nd June 2016, 03:13 PM
"Clubland" style Eurodance-pop was kinda always there from 2002-08 but faded in and out of major popularity, with a big run of mainstream success in 2007-08. I think of Scooter's 'The Logical Song' as an early example, and then Come With Me, Everytime We Touch etc right up to the last few Basshunter hits - I think he just lasted into 2009 although obvs '08 was his big year.
There was also some tracks in the early 2000s which were house but had trancey stuff in the background
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 20th July 2016, 06:44 PM
Was Guru Josh Project - Infinity 2008 a trance song. It sounds quite trancey.
Also what about One Republic (Alesso remix) - If I Lose Myself?
And about today, Kygo and Kodaline's Raging is quite trancey too like the Alan Walker track.
Posted by: Harve 21st July 2016, 03:10 AM
"Clubland" style Eurodance-pop was kinda always there from 2002-08 but faded in and out of major popularity, with a big run of mainstream success in 2007-08. I think of Scooter's 'The Logical Song' as an early example, and then Come With Me, Everytime We Touch etc right up to the last few Basshunter hits - I think he just lasted into 2009 although obvs '08 was his big year.
- Dubstep (2009-2011)
- Drum and Base (2011-2012)
- Future garage (2012-2013)
- Big Room (2013-2014)
- Tropical house (2014-)
- PC music lol
Does that help xo
The 10s have trends too, they're just not so visible when we're living through them. As far as I've heard, mainstream dance music is so much better than it was ~5 years ago. Give me Kygo over Steve Aoki anyday.
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 22nd July 2016, 02:14 PM
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Posted by: Mountain Marquis 22nd July 2016, 02:20 PM
There was also 'retro' Eurodance like Uniting Nations (all three of their hits), Cahill (Tripping On You) and Star Pilots (In The Heat Of The Night) too.
Posted by: Euphorique 22nd July 2016, 02:46 PM
Synths doesn't equal trance. Progressive house has them and it ain't trance.
Later progressive house tunes often featured a build-up section which can last up to four minutes. This is followed by a breakdown and then a climax.[14] Elements drawn from the progressive rock genre include the use of extended or linked-movement tracks, more complexity and reflection but almost always within the four on the floor rhythm pattern.[15] The more experimental parts of house music are described as progressive.[16] Detractors of the genre have described it as elitist and over-produced.[10]
Trance has been dead for a while now, even the classic trance dj's ditched the genre unfortunately. You'll still find it underground, but I doubt its ever returning to the mainstream
Posted by: Euphorique 22nd July 2016, 02:57 PM
Progressive house:
Different types of sounds trance can have:
Dash Berlin and Above & Beyond have done trance up ti the late 00s/early 10s but even they have distanced themselves from the sound.
Posted by: Colm 22nd July 2016, 03:57 PM
I believe it was Madagascar that he ripped off for that track.
Posted by: Colm 22nd July 2016, 04:06 PM
The last great trance song was In and Out of Love - Armin van Buuren but it didn't chart. Also, I like Adam Nickey's Voices,
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 23rd July 2016, 06:17 PM
Was this trance? . It has that orchestral influence in it and build ups of trance.
Posted by: Euphorique 26th July 2016, 01:35 AM
No.
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 26th July 2016, 09:36 AM
I'm actually being serious, was All Fired Up By The Saturdays trance? It has sort of trancey synths, the elody is quite complex, there is a buildup at the middle and I think the bpm is right for that one...
Posted by: memebury. 26th July 2016, 10:52 AM
No it doesn't sound like trance, plus Dance-pop electroclash is what Wikipedia says it is. And the producers of the song don't dabble in trance either.
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 26th July 2016, 12:10 PM
Well wikipedia everyone can edit so it is not always accurate. I do think All Fired Up is more dancey than most dance-pop. I have seen it described as 'trance-heavy' on the internet too on the description on directlyrics, I am not sure if this is is an official description. It is probably progressive house at least.
MNEK co-produced it, that is weird it doesn't have any hint of UK Garage in it whatsoever.
Posted by: Euphorique 26th July 2016, 01:15 PM
Its just typical hands in the air EDM, electro. Same as "Not Giving Up".
Posted by: Mountain Marquis 26th July 2016, 02:06 PM
You could argue that Melanie C's I turn To You sounds similar too and most people consider that as trance.
Posted by: *Ben* 26th July 2016, 03:03 PM
I Turn To You has trance influences. The Saturdays's songs haven't.
I wish though trance would come back
Posted by: liamk97 26th July 2016, 03:17 PM
Tbf I can understand why 'All Fired Up' would be considered more dance than pop or dance-pop. There's no typical pop verse-chorus structure and when you listen to the instrumental (available on Spotify) it sounds just like most other recent dance songs in their original form before they end up with vocals on top.
Nevertheless, it's a Xenomania production who is very much pop.
Posted by: TheSnake 26th July 2016, 05:54 PM
I wish though trance would come back
I think All Fired Up does have trance influences, I would disagree.
Along with the disco influenced house music of the early and mid 2000s I would really like early 2000s style trance to come back too. These are two genres which seem to have disappeared this decade.
Posted by: TheSnake 11th August 2016, 08:54 AM
So was this the last big trance song then? Released in August 2006 and reached number 10.
Posted by: BillyH 20th August 2016, 12:26 AM
- Drum and Base (2011-2012)
- Future garage (2012-2013)
- Big Room (2013-2014)
- Tropical house (2014-)
- PC music lol
Does that help xo
The 10s have trends too, they're just not so visible when we're living through them. As far as I've heard, mainstream dance music is so much better than it was ~5 years ago. Give me Kygo over Steve Aoki anyday.
Lol just saw this, I was talking in the context of the noughties only - obvs yes lots of trends in the 2010s, dubstep and tropical house especially!
What's 'future garage'? My musical knowledge starts sliding off a cliff after about 2011...
Posted by: TheSnake 22nd August 2016, 08:17 AM
This is probably the most trancey popular new song I have heard recently
Posted by: TheSnake 22nd August 2016, 08:25 AM
What's 'future garage'? My musical knowledge starts sliding off a cliff after about 2011...
Future garage is like Disclosure, Gorgon City and Shift K3y.
I would say deep house and future garage for mid 2013 to the end of 2014. Then organ house and looped house for early 2015 and a mix of tropical house, funky house and future bass until now.
Posted by: TheSnake 1st September 2016, 05:11 PM
Discovered a trance tune in a weird place 
Posted by: TheSnake 23rd September 2016, 11:05 AM
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Posted by: TheSnake 19th October 2016, 06:56 PM
I know the vast majority of this song isn't trance but would 5:00 to the end of this be trance? 
Posted by: lewistgreen 19th October 2016, 07:21 PM
Dance-Pop / EDM at a push... Not really Trance no.
Posted by: TheSnake 19th October 2016, 08:00 PM
5 minutes in to the end of Champagne Showers is unlike the rest of the record, it has a massive buildup, it doesn't really have much of a drop, has a trance beat and it does sound quite trancey to me.....
Posted by: TheSnake 20th October 2016, 03:22 PM
Much of this is quite reminscent of trancepop, the verses of this sound quite Flip and Fill style (although it does have a Coldplay style chorus)
Posted by: spun. 3rd November 2016, 03:23 PM
^ Yeah that does seem a bit trancey, must be why I like it so much
I listened to this just now and I think it has elements of trance in possibly (particularly the Fergie parts):
Posted by: The Emperor 28th November 2016, 07:22 PM
I listened to this just now and I think it has elements of trance in possibly (particularly the Fergie parts):
That was always my favourite Black Eyed Peas song....this and Champagne Showers are probably my favourite tracks of the whole early 2010s global EDM phase.
'Lightning''s verses are very Flip and Fill style trancepop, with a Coldplay style chorus tacked on to it.
Posted by: The Emperor 28th November 2016, 07:34 PM
Also this must be close with the synths in the verses especially
This one might be trance....accounted for many of the sales for Hey Now, I remember this remix was top 40 on itunes at the time
Posted by: dandy* 28th November 2016, 08:31 PM
Wasn't this trance? 
It certainly would have been at home on the trance compilations in the 90s.
Posted by: dandy* 28th November 2016, 08:35 PM
And isn't this a useful lyrics page:
http://genius.com/Otto-knows-million-voices-lyrics
Posted by: Danvember 28th November 2016, 09:28 PM
progressive house Dandy!
Posted by: dandy* 29th November 2016, 07:18 PM
What is the difference?
Posted by: Snaking Stevens 9th December 2016, 01:39 AM
This is weird one but Drunk In Love by Beyonce and Jay Z is actually a little trancey in its structure, synths, buildups and layered sounds in the chorus instrumentals.
Dobbo, the difference between progressive house and trance I think is to do with trance having a bigger crescendo goimg into the chorus, the beats are more behind the synths in progressive house, whereas in trance the beats just grind on with a pulsing bassline.
Its easy to tell the difference fron trance with some progressive house songs like Galantis - Runaway (You and I) where the beats go with the synths but with ones like Nervo and Nicky Romero - Like Home it is much harder as the synths are faster and not synchronised with the slower beat as much.
Posted by: Euphorique 9th December 2016, 12:27 PM
The difference is clear. Compare Narcotic Thrust to Matt Darey.
Posted by: Snaking Stevens 9th December 2016, 12:36 PM
Well Narcotic Thrust is easier to determine as the beat is distinctly house sounding and there are no fast complex synths really in their songs. Something like this is harder to determine as the fast complex synths in the chorus are quite trancey and the beat sounds less house like, although it is classified as progressive house.
Posted by: Euphorique 9th December 2016, 04:42 PM
That's easily house. From the drop to the synth.
Posted by: CHOCOLATE BANTA 9th December 2016, 05:39 PM
Sounds more trance to me, at least in the drop.
Posted by: Snaking Stevens 10th December 2016, 02:25 PM
Was this trance?
Posted by: Dancember 10th December 2016, 02:27 PM
No.
Posted by: Snaking Stevens 10th December 2016, 02:32 PM
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Posted by: Snaking Stevens 13th December 2016, 04:01 PM
What genre is 'Pursuit of Happiness (Aoki remix)' then...the synths sound quite trancey in it.
It reminds me a bit of 2003's Aquagen's remix of Hard To Say I'm Sorry, how it goes between a slow bit of the original song and builds up into euphoric synths.
Posted by: Snakin' Stevens 14th December 2016, 06:10 PM
Was this trance or trance influenced?
Posted by: The Wise Sultan 5th March 2017, 01:37 AM
I think I have found a Galantis song that might be trance, certainly sounds a lot more trancey than the typical progressive house song.
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