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 14th August 2019, 11:31 PM
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A really interesting watch. I feel they were kind of right about the class divide in the house and the way the task was set kind of highlighted that in some ways. Jade was in a sense BB royalty 'Queen of the house' if you like, and it was so interesting to see the reactions of other housemates to that again (I had somewhat forgotten all these years later). The two singers really did themselves no favours at all both were up themselves and Ken Russell was also an idiot. I do feel having her mum in there did her no favours at all. I mean seriously I'd forgotten about the "Shippa or whatever your name is..." Seriously wtf how many times did they tell her the name was SHILPA it was ridiculous. Jackie stirred up lots of bad feeling, which Jade very much tried to keep a handle on, and then the way Big Brother chucked her out I think it just shifted something in Jade... I think Jade would have fared much better had she gone in by herself tbh I'm not sure the whole bad feeling would have been stirred up in the way it was.
I will say though the 3 girls were racist, there's no getting away from that, some of the language they used, some of the things they said (especially Danielle - "she can't even speak English properly go back to your own country") but I don't think Jade herself was necessarily intentionally racist. She was ignorant and not very clever (despite all last week being about how smart Jade was etc she really wasn't) and she wasn't intelligent enough to know what she was saying and encouraging was racist. She was however a bully, her Jo and Danielle were like a bunch of mean high school girls with Jade being the ringleader and Jo and Danielle propping her up all the way, it was horrid to watch back in the day and uncomfortable viewing again with some of the clips tonight. I do find it ironic however that the UK is the most racist it has ever been right now. Seriously all the bad feeling stirred up about 'foreigners' as part of the Leave campaign, and the blatant racism against the muslim community in the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Mirror it's just horrendous and yet nobody seems to notice that. I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing tbh. I do think Jade was a bit of a victim of the show and the media tbh and I do feel a bit sorry for her, but at the same time I find it hard to have real sympathy for her because I feel like we saw a side of her that clearly was her. In actual fact that was her own fault for acting so grossly to another person, I find it hard to really have sympathy for those people. |
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17th August 2019, 03:24 PM
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1st episode: 1.4m
2nd episode: 1.2m I'm not sure if those are good ratings, but really liking this series. |
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19th August 2019, 07:08 PM
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I never felt Jade was racist in the fallout with Shilpa, and while it could look that way i 100% feel it was not intended.
Jade and Shilpa simply did not see eye to eye which was nothing to do with race, they both had 2 very different backgrounds and upbringings. Jade would have had such a better run in the Celebrity house had she entered alone, as from the moment they entered there was some people in their just looking down their noses at them. The story of Jade is so tragic, it was an incredible journey for her and it all ended so abruptly and so young. This post has been edited by pippa: 19th August 2019, 07:09 PM |
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19th August 2019, 08:01 PM
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QUOTE(Cqmerqn @ Aug 17 2019, 04:24 PM)  1st episode: 1.4m 2nd episode: 1.2m I'm not sure if those are good ratings, but really liking this series. That’s pretty good for Channel 4! |
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19th August 2019, 08:18 PM
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The last episode is gonna be such a tear-jerker
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19th August 2019, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(pippa @ Aug 19 2019, 08:08 PM) I never felt Jade was racist in the fallout with Shilpa, and while it could look that way i 100% feel it was not intended. Jade and Shilpa simply did not see eye to eye which was nothing to do with race, they both had 2 very different backgrounds and upbringings. Jade would have had such a better run in the Celebrity house had she entered alone, as from the moment they entered there was some people in their just looking down their noses at them. The story of Jade is so tragic, it was an incredible journey for her and it all ended so abruptly and so young. Exactly! For me it's the way she was genuinely sorry and tried to make amends, for example going into Indian Big Brother. That spoke volumes compared to the lack of apologies or understanding from Danielle and Jo. It feels to me, not to excuse or explain away racism, that it was a case of background and Jade had soaked up a way of reacting to those from wildly different backgrounds or cultures from her mother and others around her - that was one of ignorant racist comments. Again not excusing it at all, but setting up a divide and playing with the dynamics like that was kind of asking for *something* to happen, it was like a pressure cooker with all the wrong ingredients that was going to blow sooner rather than later. I don't think anyone could have foresaw anything close to what happened coming though :/ Shilpa's "your claim to fame is this - GOOD FOR YOU" is the most iconic clapback ever tho tbh *.* |
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20th August 2019, 08:44 AM
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QUOTE(Spiceboy @ Aug 15 2019, 12:31 AM) A really interesting watch. I feel they were kind of right about the class divide in the house and the way the task was set kind of highlighted that in some ways. Jade was in a sense BB royalty 'Queen of the house' if you like, and it was so interesting to see the reactions of other housemates to that again (I had somewhat forgotten all these years later). The two singers really did themselves no favours at all both were up themselves and Ken Russell was also an idiot. I do feel having her mum in there did her no favours at all. I mean seriously I'd forgotten about the "Shippa or whatever your name is..." Seriously wtf how many times did they tell her the name was SHILPA it was ridiculous. Jackie stirred up lots of bad feeling, which Jade very much tried to keep a handle on, and then the way Big Brother chucked her out I think it just shifted something in Jade... I think Jade would have fared much better had she gone in by herself tbh I'm not sure the whole bad feeling would have been stirred up in the way it was. I will say though the 3 girls were racist, there's no getting away from that, some of the language they used, some of the things they said (especially Danielle - "she can't even speak English properly go back to your own country") but I don't think Jade herself was necessarily intentionally racist. She was ignorant and not very clever (despite all last week being about how smart Jade was etc she really wasn't) and she wasn't intelligent enough to know what she was saying and encouraging was racist. She was however a bully, her Jo and Danielle were like a bunch of mean high school girls with Jade being the ringleader and Jo and Danielle propping her up all the way, it was horrid to watch back in the day and uncomfortable viewing again with some of the clips tonight. I do find it ironic however that the UK is the most racist it has ever been right now. Seriously all the bad feeling stirred up about 'foreigners' as part of the Leave campaign, and the blatant racism against the muslim community in the Daily Mail, The Sun, The Daily Mirror it's just horrendous and yet nobody seems to notice that. I'm not sure how I feel about the whole thing tbh. I do think Jade was a bit of a victim of the show and the media tbh and I do feel a bit sorry for her, but at the same time I find it hard to have real sympathy for her because I feel like we saw a side of her that clearly was her. In actual fact that was her own fault for acting so grossly to another person, I find it hard to really have sympathy for those people. 100% agree with this |
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21st August 2019, 08:13 PM
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They really should have let Jade out immediately following the news. Something like that should not have been filmed at all.
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21st August 2019, 08:13 PM
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OH MY GOD. I knew she found out whilst in BB in India but I had not remembered that they’d broadcast the whole thing; really unacceptable tbh.
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21st August 2019, 08:20 PM
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Less of that nonce Max Clifford please who has a lot to answer for.
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21st August 2019, 08:40 PM
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21st August 2019, 10:25 PM
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Cried my eyes out at this. Her wedding
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22nd August 2019, 12:34 AM
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The last episode was a hard watch.
I agree it was dreadful showing the news of her having cancer being filmed on TV. Awful it should be banned from TV and online. Her family and friends likely seeing that whilst she was in another continent as well must have just feit so helpless. Her illlness really seemed to deteriorate so quickly didn’t it from being diagnosed to passing away. 27 year old is just no age at all too. The second episode though. Danielle Lloyd was actually the most racist yet hit next to no stick! Those scenes are horrible to watch even now. But at the time Jade really got the whole brunt. I take it because she was less known she didn’t suffer as she had less to lose than Jo and Jade. But Jade leaving to a no crowd eviction alone whilst Jo left in a double eviction and Danielle leaving again with someone else (Jack I believe) and making it to the final was awful. They all should’ve come out alone and faced things alone the way that Jade did. On another note had the cancer not happened and had Jade lived a healthy life do you think she’d have ever got her career back? |
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22nd August 2019, 12:59 AM
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Her career was getting back on track before she got sick so i think she would have done ok. It's hard to believe jade is gone 10 years and she really was no age when passed.
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22nd August 2019, 06:21 PM
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I must say, I really enjoyed the documentary, and it was great how each episode had it's own separate feel and theme. Before watching the documentary, my thoughts about Jade Goody were a mixture of indifference and slight dislike, based on her behaviour against Shilpa Shetty in the Big Brother house, yet after watching this I was left with a whole lot of empathy, mixed with an unexpected amount of respect for her, which I didn't expect. I also didn't realise just how good a singer she was - that Stars in Their Eyes performance really blew me away. Talk about hiding your light under a bushel.
A few other assorted points that struck me watching it: It was interesting seeing how some of the players in Jade's stories reacted to it many years on. The one person who really seemed to have had a real volte-face was Davina McCall. Given that she's still seen as the "face" of Big Brother, she appeared to regret her role in being involved with the show and reality TV, at one point saying that she felt sorry for those taking part, saying that it would "ruin their life". Whether it was a true a Damascus-eque conversion, or a way to separate herself from her own role in what happened, remains to be seen. On the other hand, a lot of the tabloid people did not regret what they did in the slightest, which was quite troublesome to see. The one really illuminating moment that I picked up on, which might have gone over other people's heads, was an off-the-cuff remark made by Channel 4 News' Kristian Guru-Murthy about how the channel reacted to the racism scandal. He said that he didn't believe that Channel 4 had done anything wrong as, to paraphrase, Channel 4 is a liberal, tolerant TV channel, and therefore there was no possible way that it could have been racist, or mishandled the way that the racism row unfolded. It was such an interesting point about the blind-spot that some so-called liberals and anti-racists have - we are the good guys, so there is no way that we could possibly be racist, purely by virtue of being the good guys. It definitely explains why Channel 4 go so much wrong in relation to the incident, and it goes a lot towards explaining a whole lot more in society, such as why the Labour Party, which is currently led by a "life-long anti racism campaigner" (his words) currently finds itself as the first UK political party since the BNP to be investigated by the The Equality and Human Rights Commission. It also explains how Bo' Selecta managed to get five series. |
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22nd August 2019, 06:35 PM
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QUOTE(Jordan Lee @ Aug 22 2019, 01:34 AM) On another note had the cancer not happened and had Jade lived a healthy life do you think she’d have ever got her career back? My feeling - yes in the short term, but the dawning social media age would have eventually caused her career and profile to subside, either through making ill thought out remarks on Twitter, or from too many other celebrities to compete with. |
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22nd August 2019, 07:15 PM
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Jade may have managed a few more years in the spotlight but likely would have faded due to the arrival of other reality stars.
At that point it is likely she would have had some financial security. I could have easily seen Jade appear on Im a Celebrity and Strictly Come Dancing as a profile booster too. So tragic that we will never know, it was extremely sad to watch a mother have to leave her 2 kids behind at such a young age. |
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22nd August 2019, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Aug 22 2019, 07:35 PM) My feeling - yes in the short term, but the dawning social media age would have eventually caused her career and profile to subside, either through making ill thought out remarks on Twitter, or from too many other celebrities to compete with. I’m trying to think of what shows she could’ve done? Like would she have stayed in the reality route and done stuff like Celebs Go Dating (if she was single), Celeb coach trip / Come Dine. Or the skilled reality shows like Dancing On Ice. I guess we will never know but i sort of agree in some ways. Jade on twitter would be crazy she’d have definitely put her foot in it a few times 
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22nd August 2019, 09:00 PM
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Jade may possible have done:
Im A Celebrity.. Get Me Out of Here. Strictly Come Dancing. Come Dine With Me. Celeb Coach Trip. And with Big Brother on Channel 5 bringing back former contestants for short stays, tasks etc, Jade would have made appearances in addition to Bit on The Side with Rylan. |
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22nd August 2019, 10:28 PM
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Yeah I could definitely imagine her ending up on one of the big reality shows, she'd have been *amazing* on I'm A Celeb and that's the sort of show that could have really got her career back on track.
I could also kind of see her on maybe Loose Women or doing bits on This Morning. |
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