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BuzzJack Music Forum _ UK Charts _ Female drought at No. 1?

Posted by: jafetsigfinns May 27 2016, 04:19 PM

So, I've been thinking about this for a while, but if we discount featured singer Kyla and the presumable female vocalists in the Lewisham & Greenwich NHS Choir's holiday #1 (haven't listened to that song I'll admit, so maybe it's a male choir please don't hate me if I'm wrong biggrin.gif ), then the last time a female singer reached Number 1 was in Adele's 3rd and final week at No. 1 on November 19th last year. That's 27 weeks without a female singer at the top. That has to be the longest stretch for a while, right? Especially given that it doesn't seem poised to stop any time soon since JT is just about ready to take over for a few weeks.

Also, does anyone know what is the longest the chart has gone without a Male number one?

Posted by: MishaB May 27 2016, 04:20 PM

Streaming favours males due to the demographics of users of streaming services like Spotify. It's just a fact. It's sad what the music industry has become.

Posted by: dennispennis123 May 27 2016, 04:26 PM

Does it not just make it fairer and more realistic about how people consume music?

Posted by: danG May 27 2016, 04:30 PM

Most likely because there are more super-popular male artists releasing music right now than there are females (of which we only have Rihanna and Beyoncé at the moment - the former being unlucky to miss #1 on two occasions and the latter not having the slightest of a chance of a #1 single with her release strategy)

Posted by: gooddelta May 27 2016, 04:39 PM

QUOTE(MishaB @ May 27 2016, 05:20 PM) *
Streaming favours males due to the demographics of users of streaming services like Spotify. It's just a fact.


To some extent I know what you mean, though there haven't really been many female singers going to #1 on iTunes recently either...

There aren't really many huge female stars in the industry compared to males, and many of those that are big like Beyonce, Rihanna and Taylor Swift have weird release strategies (Tidal exclusive/say no to Spotify etc...).

I do feel like it's harder for female artists to get to #1 though, and those that do are generally major established stars (apart from Rachel Platten...still don't know how that got there!) whereas male artists don't have as big a problem in that respect. I guess demographics have a lot to do with that, especially in the streaming era.

Still Zara Larsson wasn't that far off with Lush Life and Sia really ought to have got a week in with Cheap Thrills.

Posted by: jafetsigfinns May 28 2016, 09:07 AM

Great points guys, but my question was: is this the longest we've gone without a female number one? If not, does anyone know of longer "droughts"? Same question for guy-vacant number one stretches.

Posted by: Dobbo May 28 2016, 09:15 AM

QUOTE(jafetsigfinns @ May 28 2016, 09:07 PM) *
Great points guys, but my question was: is this the longest we've gone without a female number one? If not, does anyone know of longer "droughts"? Same question for guy-vacant number one stretches.


There was 37 weeks between Cher's 'Shoop Shoop Song' & Shakespeare's Sister's 'Stay' in 91-92 & 42 weeks between Sally Sweetland's 'I'm Walking Behind You' & Doris Days' 'Secret Love' in the 50s so yes there's definitely been longer droughts.

Really what we're all waiting for now is a new Jess Glynne banger to end this current run.

Posted by: Colm May 28 2016, 09:35 AM

Given that this hasn't been a problem since 1991 I dont think it's a major problem.

Not that I disagree but reading gooddelta's point about "There aren't really many huge female stars in the industry compared to males" feels somehow very at odds the history of pop music - especially given that from 2009 - 2012 we were in the throws of Gaga/Perry/Rihanna/Beyonce domination.


Posted by: Mango May 28 2016, 10:03 AM

But there must be periods where more females were getting #1s, so I'd still be interested to hear of any guy-droughts.

Posted by: Colm May 28 2016, 10:17 AM

QUOTE(Mango @ May 28 2016, 11:03 AM) *
I'd still be interested to hear of any guy-droughts.



My life sad.gif

Posted by: liamk97 May 28 2016, 10:26 AM

QUOTE(Colm @ May 28 2016, 11:17 AM) *
My life sad.gif

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Posted by: Taylor Jago May 28 2016, 10:35 AM

The best I can think of is 10 weeks in 1988 when Belinda Carlisle, Tiffany and Kylie Minogue spent 2, 3 and 5 weeks at number one with Heaven Is A Place On Earth, I Think We're Alone Now and I Should Be So Lucky respectively.

There was 13 weeks (Run by Leona Lewis, Hallelujah by Alexandra Burke, Just Dance by Lady Gaga, The Fear by Lily Allen and My Life Would Suck Without You by Kelly Clarkson) in 2008-2009, but Just Dance features Colby O'Donis.

Posted by: gooddelta May 28 2016, 10:37 AM

QUOTE(Colm @ May 28 2016, 10:35 AM) *
Not that I disagree but reading gooddelta's point about "There aren't really many huge female stars in the industry compared to males" feels somehow very at odds the history of pop music - especially given that from 2009 - 2012 we were in the throws of Gaga/Perry/Rihanna/Beyonce domination.


True, but how many of those are as big now?

Beyonce yes, but she's got a release strategy that will never get her a #1 single, Rihanna's not *quite* as big as she was then but you feel she could easily get a #1 single with the right song and a regular release strategy.

Gaga I don't see getting another #1 single and Katy Perry could but Prism was a drop off in success terms from Teenage Dream so that could just as easily happen again this time, it's hard to tell. The only others I hold in the same category are Taylor Swift (not on Spotify so no #1) and Adele, whose 29 won't be out for another few years!

Anyway, I'm sure some big female hit will come out soon enough, probably from an unexpected source. If Keisza and Rachel Platten can get #1s then I'm sure others can. I'd say Emeli Sande too but while her album is likely to be huge, I'm not sure the lead single will be a #1 for her.

Posted by: danG May 28 2016, 10:50 AM

QUOTE(gooddelta @ May 28 2016, 11:37 AM) *
Anyway, I'm sure some big female hit will come out soon enough, probably from an unexpected source. If Keisza and Rachel Platten can get #1s then I'm sure others can. I'd say Emeli Sande too but while her album is likely to be huge, I'm not sure the lead single will be a #1 for her.

Would those Kiesza and Rachel Platten songs have been #1s in today's climate though? Both relied on the held-back release strategy to get to #1 and in the case of the latter, she didn't even sell 60k to get there.

Posted by: Colm May 28 2016, 10:51 AM

Rihanna and Beyonce seem to be in more artistic modes now - probably bored with the traditional pop belter format.

Posted by: girl_from_oz May 28 2016, 11:22 AM

Mainly female artists dominate my charts doesn't seem to be the case with Uk charts though, in a perfect world Paramore etc would have loads of number ones, bit different with them as they're group, as for solo artists there's Ella Henderson

Posted by: SKOB May 28 2016, 11:22 AM

I think it's very old fashioned to divide artists by their genders really...

Posted by: Bjork May 28 2016, 12:52 PM

Beyonce and Rihanna are more concerned about pushing Tidal
than about having a @1
If put on itunes/Spotify after the superbowl
Formation would have been @1 for 2 months wink.gif

Posted by: Ethan May 28 2016, 01:28 PM

5 consecutive male #1's seem more dominant, when they're averaging 3.8 weeks at the top, in periods of slower #1 turnover than in sustained periods of 1 week wonders when they'd only cover 6 or 7 weeks (averaging 1.2-1.4 weeks)~

Posted by: JCM20 May 29 2016, 12:37 AM

Beyonce hasn't had a number 1 for six years though

Posted by: Umi May 29 2016, 12:53 AM

QUOTE(SKOB @ May 28 2016, 12:22 PM) *
I think it's very old fashioned to divide artists by their genders really...

...so?

Posted by: SKOB May 29 2016, 06:54 AM

Just that I'm not interested at all whether a song is sung by a male or female if it's good. Charts are not sports where gender matters.

Posted by: awardinary Jul 8 2017, 02:48 PM

So I wanted to bring this thread back to life again and consider who could be the next female artist to have a UK #1 single.

A year on from when this thread was made, the only full female act to achieve a #1 was Little Mix with Shout Out To My Ex.

It's my personal view that there are so so many well established female artists this year trying to make claim to another hit, and only a small few have made it into the Top 10.

Of the following names of current female solo artists, who stands the better chance of getting a #1 hit before the end of the year?


Anyone else? ohmy.gif

Posted by: burbe Jul 8 2017, 02:53 PM

Rita Ora ft. Charli XCX & Mo - Girls for #1 pls

Posted by: John-James Jul 8 2017, 02:53 PM

Funnily enough you've missed out the one artist that stands the biggest chance which is Taylor

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 8 2017, 02:55 PM

Yeah I think Taylor is a very good shout, I expect she'll be releasing in August and providing she's on Spotify in week 1, I think she's looking at her first #1, a comfortable one at that!

Posted by: danG Jul 8 2017, 02:55 PM

yeah, Taylor's comeback seems like a shoo-in for #1 unless she goes full on country again.

The next female to make #1 will be Rihanna although as a featured artist on 'Wild Thoughts'.

Posted by: UltraRedLight Jul 8 2017, 02:56 PM

Taylor hopefully! Rumours are circling that is it going to start getting teased at the end of this month and is coming out next month *.*

Posted by: burbe Jul 8 2017, 02:56 PM

Hopefully the lead single of R9 should be released in Q4 and hit #1 like the old days *.*

Posted by: danG Jul 8 2017, 02:59 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jul 8 2017, 03:56 PM) *
Hopefully the lead single of R9 should be released in Q4 and hit #1 like the old days *.*
really hope so, it's been ages since we've had a Rihanna #1 (solo or otherwise), would be great if somehow both Wild Thoughts and her R9 lead went to #1 this year.

Posted by: Lenny Jul 8 2017, 03:06 PM

"Symphony" was an all-female vocal as well, to be fair.

I think Taylor does stand a good chance. Rihanna and Katy Perry with "Wild Thoughts" and "Feels" are possibilities but obviously not all female fronted.

Posted by: Dobbo Jul 8 2017, 03:10 PM

I reckon the next one will come from someone no one had previously heard of before, talking Meghan Trainor & Rachel Platten style.

Posted by: awardinary Jul 8 2017, 03:19 PM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ Jul 8 2017, 04:10 PM) *
I reckon the next one will come from someone no one had previously heard of before, talking Meghan Trainor & Rachel Platten style.

I think that is possible, but it would need huge promotion to achieve.

Sorry about missing Taylor, her name did come to mind, and then I must have forgotten it again! laugh.gif

Posted by: awardinary Jul 8 2017, 03:20 PM

Also, is there any sign of new music from Adele on the horizon?

Posted by: danG Jul 8 2017, 03:23 PM

I think she's taking a very long break. I honestly wouldn't expect a new single from her until 2019 or later.

Posted by: zenon Jul 8 2017, 03:26 PM

Hopefully Ella Henderson will be releasing something new soon and prove she is no one album wonder.

Posted by: awardinary Jul 8 2017, 03:44 PM

QUOTE(zenon @ Jul 8 2017, 04:26 PM) *
Hopefully Ella Henderson will be releasing something new soon and prove she is no one album wonder.

I would like her to, but she's been out of the picture for so long now I can't see anything she releases getting chart success.

Another name to throw into the mix is 2017 Brit Award winner for Best Female Solo Artist – Emeli Sandé.

Posted by: lordita Jul 8 2017, 04:40 PM

QUOTE(burbe @ Jul 8 2017, 03:53 PM) *
Rita Ora ft. Charli XCX & Mo - Girls for #1 pls


THIS

Posted by: Capybréra Jul 8 2017, 05:02 PM

It's way too early to say Taylor is likely to get to #1, it all depends on what the song is like. I'm sure I remember people saying the same about Katy. (I'm not saying Taylor WON'T be #1 but let's wait for the song first ~)

Posted by: Klaus Jul 8 2017, 05:08 PM

Marina & the Diamonds.

Posted by: 4thHarmonizer Jul 8 2017, 05:27 PM

Taylor Swift and then Little Mix are the next obvious "all-female" #1s... biggrin.gif

Posted by: George.keh Jul 8 2017, 05:28 PM

Surely Jess Glynne has a chance. Especially if it's a Clean Bandit collab or production

Posted by: Rob Spears Jul 8 2017, 05:30 PM

Britney will clearly get the next female #1. If not, it will be Christina Aguilera with another feature, her first #1 in 15 years. kink.gif

Posted by: 4thHarmonizer Jul 8 2017, 05:37 PM

QUOTE(Rob Spears @ Jul 8 2017, 06:30 PM) *
Britney will clearly get the next female #1. If not, it will be Christina Aguilera with another feature, her first #1 in 15 years. kink.gif


Britney feat. Christina kink.gif

Posted by: Rob Spears Jul 8 2017, 05:46 PM

QUOTE(4thHarmonizer @ Jul 8 2017, 06:37 PM) *
Britney feat. Christina kink.gif

Can you imagine? #78 smash hit.

Posted by: Jack Jul 8 2017, 07:31 PM

The fact that the only new female led song to get a atop 5 hit was Chained To The Rhythm is ridiculous tbh. Even then it only scraped in at #5!

Hoping Power and Your Song can maybe make a change to that.

Posted by: Lenny Jul 8 2017, 10:34 PM

QUOTE(Jack @ Jul 8 2017, 08:31 PM) *
The fact that the only new female led song to get a atop 5 hit was Chained To The Rhythm is ridiculous tbh. Even then it only scraped in at #5!

Hoping Power and Your Song can maybe make a change to that.

Zara Larsson leads the way this year with "I Would Like" hitting number 2 and "Symphony" hitting number 1.

Posted by: cq(uavo)merqn Jul 8 2017, 10:41 PM

I feel like Zara got very lucky with I Would Like. Doesn't feel like a #2 single at all.

Posted by: Lenny Jul 8 2017, 10:43 PM

QUOTE(cq(uavo)merqn @ Jul 8 2017, 11:41 PM) *
I feel like Zara got very lucky with I Would Like. Doesn't feel like a #2 single at all.

Oh, I do totally agree with that.

Posted by: cq(uavo)merqn Jul 8 2017, 10:44 PM

Don't get me wrong it's a great song but doesn't feel like a smash. It didn't have great longevity did it?

Can't remember what was #1 at the time... was it Rockabye? Must've been low sales. Lush Life feels much bigger.

Posted by: 360Jupiter Jul 8 2017, 10:48 PM

Taylor should have a good chance, depending on what she releases. Either another smart song like Blank Space or a party song like Shake It Off would be good shouts.

Either Rihanna or Ellie Goulding releasing a wintry ballad around October/November should have a good chance of getting it too. Both could easily do a new sound/reinvention. There's a lot of goodwill towards Ariana Grande as well if she decides to launch a new era, same for Little Mix again.

Posted by: Lenny Jul 9 2017, 07:59 AM

Ellie Goulding's time at the top is so over, so I doubt it.

Posted by: Bjork Jul 9 2017, 08:11 AM

Ellie G needs to fish for better songs and do some quality control (Love me Like You, yes, First time, no)

read that Jess Glynne is back with an Ed Sheeran-penned song so will be big for sure

Posted by: vidcapper Jul 9 2017, 09:19 AM

QUOTE(360Jupiter @ Jul 8 2017, 11:48 PM) *
Taylor should have a good chance, depending on what she releases. Either another smart song like Blank Space or a party song like Shake It Off would be good shouts.


As long as she's got over her aversion to streaming...

Posted by: 360Jupiter Jul 9 2017, 09:28 AM

QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jul 9 2017, 10:19 AM) *
As long as she's got over her aversion to streaming...


Given she recently released her back catalogue onto Spotify, I figured she had done.

You're right tho, wouldn't put it past her to go against the grain just because again.

Posted by: Dexton Jul 9 2017, 09:33 AM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jul 9 2017, 04:11 PM) *
Ellie G needs to fish for better songs and do some quality control (Love me Like You, yes, First time, no)

read that Jess Glynne is back with an Ed Sheeran-penned song so will be big for sure


Hopefully with Jess Glynnes star power & Ed Sheerans writing it'll follow in the footsteps of Strip That Down / Your Song, maybe even chart higher.

Posted by: 777666jason Jul 9 2017, 09:48 AM

TBH as much as I love Taylor I dunno whether she will wasn't IDWLF released to Spotify that didn't go top 10 week 1 and when it finally peaked wasn't it barely top 5 so it would have to be huge

Little mix could if they use similar tactics to SOTME and it's from a new album / new stand alone

Jess Glynn hopefully unless she does a ES

Posted by: fans for hilson Jul 9 2017, 09:56 AM

Keri Hilson for the next female number 1 biggrin.gif tongue.gif wub.gif dance.gif dance.gif

Posted by: awardinary Jul 9 2017, 10:01 AM

I also hope Sia can return with another banger featuring Sean Paul! biggrin.gif

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jul 9 2017, 10:10 AM

QUOTE(360Jupiter @ Jul 8 2017, 11:48 PM) *
Taylor should have a good chance, depending on what she releases. Either another smart song like Blank Space or a party song like Shake It Off would be good shouts.

Either Rihanna or Ellie Goulding releasing a wintry ballad around October/November should have a good chance of getting it too. Both could easily do a new sound/reinvention. There's a lot of goodwill towards Ariana Grande as well if she decides to launch a new era, same for Little Mix again.


Rihanna is doing more than fine with her urban releases right now, no need to change!

Posted by: John-James Jul 9 2017, 10:21 AM

QUOTE(777666jason @ Jul 9 2017, 10:48 AM) *
TBH as much as I love Taylor I dunno whether she will wasn't IDWLF released to Spotify that didn't go top 10 week 1 and when it finally peaked wasn't it barely top 5 so it would have to be huge

Little mix could if they use similar tactics to SOTME and it's from a new album / new stand alone

Jess Glynn hopefully unless she does a ES


1. IDWLF wasn't added to Spotify straightaway.
2. It was a soundtrack single which often don't perform as well as lead singles, not to mention it wasn't 'just' her song, if anything it was more like Zayn's considering how much he was over it compared to her.

Posted by: Dobbo Jul 9 2017, 10:26 AM

And let's not forget the massive Shake It Off WAS available on Spotify initially yet didn't make #1. Came very close but held off by All About That Bass, so it's entirely possible her new single will come up against another huge track we may not have heard yet...

Posted by: John-James Jul 9 2017, 10:31 AM

QUOTE(Dobbo @ Jul 9 2017, 11:26 AM) *
And let's not forget the massive Shake It Off WAS available on Spotify initially yet didn't make #1. Came very close but held off by All About That Bass, so it's entirely possible her new single will come up against another huge track we may not have heard yet...


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SIO Digital Release: August 18th
SIO Spotify Release: September 19th

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 9 2017, 10:45 AM

QUOTE(MishaB @ May 27 2016, 04:20 PM) *
Streaming favours males due to the demographics of users of streaming services like Spotify. It's just a fact. It's sad what the music industry has become.


This.

Grown men liking pop brat Bibber and crap rapper Drake now because 'they are cool now', after one was LITERALLY a walking joke, biggest on planet, have only further skewed music to the tastes of teenage girls. It is like a chart full of Westlifes.

Unfortunately, for NOW and the considerable future it is over for women getting to no.1.

Posted by: Dobbo Jul 9 2017, 10:46 AM

Ah fair enough, memories not up to scratch. No wonder it had such a bizarre chart run then...

Posted by: rafik4u Jul 9 2017, 11:47 AM

QUOTE(MoistSummerFruit @ Jul 9 2017, 11:45 AM) *
This.

Grown men liking pop brat Bibber and crap rapper Drake now because 'they are cool now', after one was LITEREALLY a walkig joke, biggest on planet, have only further scewed music to the tastes of teenage girls. It is like a chart full of Westlifes.

Unfortunately, for NOW and the considerable future it is over for women getting to no.1.


I've been thinking this for months. Streaming and Spotify have made the charts sexist.

Posted by: Liаm Jul 9 2017, 12:16 PM

It's a shame streaming seems to be people listening to pretty much what they're dictated to laugh.gif It feels like a lot of hits have a barrier of like low top 10 and most of above that is the same sort of few styles or artists, particularly Ed Sheeran, Justin Bieber and Drake who seem to be able to release virtually anything and make it a Spotify smash... Plus once a song is up there, that's it for what feels like an eternity. People are just lazy, they won't listen to stuff unless it shows up on Hot Hits or the spotify chart :/

I think Taylor could if the song is right (ik you could say that about any artist) as she's back on board with Spotify this time. Little Mix as well I imagine with their next standalone whether it's frm the next album or a re-release, they're the two I'd think most able to be a female #1 but I could equally see Taylor stallling at like #4 but being massive and being in the chart for ages.

Posted by: frank james Jul 9 2017, 12:17 PM

There were no female No1's between Livin' Joy in May 1995 and Gina G in May 1996.

Posted by: girl_from_oz Jul 9 2017, 12:56 PM

Its a bit depressing, especially when all the best artists are female as teen vogue put it the future of music is female, in a perfect world Lorde- Green Light, Julia Michaels- Issues, Selena Gomez- Bad Liar and Paramore- Hard Times would have all been number ones, much superior to this dull Ed Sheeran stuff etc

Posted by: Bjork Jul 9 2017, 02:57 PM

Lets not forget the best song of the year
Lana del Rey - Love
peaking at @41 :/

Posted by: cq(uavo)merqn Jul 9 2017, 03:54 PM

QUOTE(Bjork @ Jul 9 2017, 03:57 PM) *
Lets not forget the best song of the year
Lana del Rey - Love
peaking at @41 :/

Well that's definitely subjective.


Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jul 9 2017, 04:08 PM

QUOTE(rafik4u @ Jul 9 2017, 12:47 PM) *
I've been thinking this for months. Streaming and Spotify have made the charts sexist.


Behave.

Posted by: SKOB Jul 9 2017, 04:30 PM

This is interesting although 3 years old

https://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/10/gender-specific-listening/

MAle artists have always had more support from both genders than female artists and now in consumption era it shows more than ever

Posted by: danG Jul 9 2017, 04:36 PM

I imagine if that survey was taken again now Justin Bieber would feature very highly for both males and females, says a lot about how much has changed over the past 3 years.

Posted by: SKOB Jul 9 2017, 04:41 PM

Drake and Bruno Mars are also definitely the ones who are benefitting, also The Weeknd.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit Jul 9 2017, 04:42 PM

QUOTE(girl_from_oz @ Jul 9 2017, 12:56 PM) *
Its a bit depressing, especially when all the best artists are female as teen vogue put it the future of music is female, in a perfect world Lorde- Green Light, Julia Michaels- Issues, Selena Gomez- Bad Liar and Paramore- Hard Times would have all been number ones, much superior to this dull Ed Sheeran stuff etc


Agreed with all except for Paramore.

Posted by: Zeebre12 Jul 9 2017, 10:17 PM

Rihannas next lead single will surely go number 1-or if not very close. How is Rihanna really the only female who is huge on Spotify and shes been going 12 years (and Ariana Grande to a lesser extent)?
Also how does streaming favour males due to the demographic of its users? Do females not use Spotify/listen to music? Spotify really has hindered females, older acts and fanbase acts like The Vamps/Britney who could get a top 10 hit when downloads were top, now they barely chart

Posted by: danG Jul 9 2017, 10:35 PM

I'm pretty sure females use Spotify and stream a lot of male artists (Justin Bieber, Drake, Bruno Mars, etc.), it's not as if females only stream female artists and vice versa anyway.

Posted by: Dobbo Jul 9 2017, 10:38 PM

Yeah I don't know the exact demographic breakdown of Spotify but I'd be pretty confident that females probably use it more & DEFINITELY stream Drake, Bieber etc. more than males.

Posted by: 360Jupiter Jul 9 2017, 10:40 PM

Rihanna is simply the only highest profile female artist who's releasing music on current trends right now. That's why she's still doing well. Also helped out by her having developed a 'cool' image so that guys will listen to her too.

That's why I stand by my Ellie Goulding statement, she has the same cool girl credentials going on that can appeal to guys and girls. Less so since she switched to mainly releasing ballads as singles, but she can still pull off an uptempo and lots of different genres if she chooses to.

Selena Gomez and all that lot are still seen as B-tier so have to strike it lucky to get big success. They can't just rely on their name yet. And all the other women of Rihanna's calibre have decided to do their own thing and not follow trends, so have seen less chart domination with their recent releases. Even so, if Beyonce had released right onto Spotify she would probably have seen a lot more success with her last album.

Posted by: Dobbo Jul 9 2017, 10:44 PM

QUOTE(360Jupiter @ Jul 9 2017, 11:40 PM) *
Rihanna is simply the only highest profile female artist who's releasing music on current trends right now. That's why she's still doing well. Also helped out by her having


That is exactly it. The hugely popular genres now are tropical house, future bass/generic Chainsmokers EDM, hip hop (Unforgettable-esque) & the odd pop track which survives the filter. There's hardly any high profile female acts catering to these tastes (rightly or wrongly) hence why there are hardly any at the top.

Posted by: Rooney Jul 9 2017, 10:47 PM

Artists skew to certain demographics. The big male artists at the moment skew to male/females, I'd argue the only female acts to achieve this right now are Adele/Rihanna. Infact I'd argue a lot of the examples used in this thread are examples of average songs. Music is subjective of course, but part of the reason Sorry and One Dance did so well, is because they are great pop songs that appeal to a lot of people...

I think partly the reason the likes of Katy Perry/Lady GaGa have struggled is because their new material is largely sub-standard to their old stuff. I think often the lyrical content can alienate the male audience, whereas that does not seem to be the case for male artists.

Taylor Swift will be fine if she has a massive pop banger.

Posted by: Jack Jul 10 2017, 10:24 AM

QUOTE(Rooney @ Jul 9 2017, 11:47 PM) *
Artists skew to certain demographics. The big male artists at the moment skew to male/females, I'd argue the only female acts to achieve this right now are Adele/Rihanna. Infact I'd argue a lot of the examples used in this thread are examples of average songs. Music is subjective of course, but part of the reason Sorry and One Dance did so well, is because they are great pop songs that appeal to a lot of people...

I think partly the reason the likes of Katy Perry/Lady GaGa have struggled is because their new material is largely sub-standard to their old stuff. I think often the lyrical content can alienate the male audience, whereas that does not seem to be the case for male artists.

Taylor Swift will be fine if she has a massive pop banger.

I'm sorry. This is bullshit - there is loads of female pop songs that aren't ''subpar'' and have relatable lyrics that haven't done as well as they should have. Crying In The Club, The Line, Your Song, Ciao Adios, Be The One ... to name a few, whilst some of those have done okay they haven't done as well if they were male lead.

It's just a very male dominated industry at the moment, it's going backwards and it's so hard for a female pop star to get a hit now, it's actually really sad. I don't think the quality has anything to do with it, nor does the lyrics. We have male lead songs about treating girls like scum, but when it's a female empowering song like say, Most Girls or Instruction it ''alienates'' the poor fragile male egos. Awww.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jul 10 2017, 10:40 AM

QUOTE(Jack @ Jul 10 2017, 11:24 AM) *
I'm sorry. This is bullshit - there is loads of female pop songs that aren't ''subpar'' and have relatable lyrics that haven't done as well as they should have. Crying In The Club, The Line, Your Song, Ciao Adios, Be The One ... to name a few, whilst some of those have done okay they haven't done as well if they were male lead.

It's just a very male dominated industry at the moment, it's going backwards and it's so hard for a female pop star to get a hit now, it's actually really sad. I don't think the quality has anything to do with it, nor does the lyrics. We have male lead songs about treating girls like scum, but when it's a female empowering song like say, Most Girls or Instruction it ''alienates'' the poor fragile male egos. Awww.


If this is truly the case (and I can see the argument) then why do girls love these songs too? Like in theory you would be right, then in the past I have seen plenty of girls getting down to songs like Loyal, Freak Of The Week, Trap Queen etc. and it makes me think the lyrical content doesn't matter to most people.

It is probably a lot simpler than is being made out and some of the examples you have used such as Crying In The Club, Ciao Adios and Be The One have done very well already. It could just be the case that the big artists right now, with some notable exceptions, are male. Drake, Bieber, The Weeknd, Kendrick etc. Not without mentioning the 1D boys all releasing solo material and the explosion of Grime and UK rap.

Posted by: John-James Jul 10 2017, 10:55 AM

QUOTE(ML Hammer95 @ Jul 10 2017, 11:40 AM) *
If this is truly the case (and I can see the argument) then why do girls love these songs too? Like in theory you would be right, then in the past I have seen plenty of girls getting down to songs like Loyal, Freak Of The Week, Trap Queen etc. and it makes me think the lyrical content doesn't matter to most people.

It is probably a lot simpler than is being made out and some of the examples you have used such as Crying In The Club, Ciao Adios and Be The One have done very well already. It could just be the case that the big artists right now, with some notable exceptions, are male. Drake, Bieber, The Weeknd, Kendrick etc. Not without mentioning the 1D boys all releasing solo material and the explosion of Grime and UK rap.


A lot of the time it doesn't. They just want a song with a good beat and that they can dance too. If you ask people what they're about, half the time they can't even tell you.

Posted by: danG Jul 10 2017, 11:00 AM

exactly, the lyrics aren't as important as the melody and the beat. this is especially the case ever since the EDM boom and the rise in popularity of US rap.

Posted by: ML Hammer95 Jul 10 2017, 11:31 AM

QUOTE(danG @ Jul 10 2017, 12:00 PM) *
exactly, the lyrics aren't as important as the melody and the beat. this is especially the case ever since the EDM boom and the rise in popularity of US rap.


Exactly, all the people listening to 'Wild Thoughts' right now don't care about the lyrical content of Bryson Tiller's rap. It didn't stop 'Blurred Lines' becoming one of the biggest songs of the decade. I don't think 'fragile male egos' comes into it at all. 'You Don't Know Me' was a huge hit across both genders for example.

Posted by: girl_from_oz Jul 10 2017, 11:40 AM

Why is EDM so dominated by male artists- David Guetta, Calvin Harris etc, where are the female DJ', where are the female David Guetta and Calvin Harris's, EDM has to the most sexist genre in music right now

Posted by: 360Jupiter Jul 10 2017, 11:41 AM

Most of those songs listed would never have been chart toppers even if released back in 2010 or so. Ciao Adios screams top 5 peak. Same for Your Song, very sparse production. Crying in the Club might have sold decently off Camila Cabello's name and then freefalled down the chart in its following few weeks. Ultimately, Cabello is one member from a not that successful girl group in the UK that only had a handful of hits before she left. More Nicole Scherzinger than Cheryl Cole, and that's at a push. Be The One would have done a lot better if it wasn't up against 15 chart-eligible Ed Sheeran 'singles' at the same time, and might without those have still gone top 5 this year.

Something like Most Girls is exactly the kind of pop song that could easily hoover up plays if that music was in vogue right now, but it isn't. An X Factor performance or a performance on TOTP would have boosted it significantly too, but we don't have those forms of promo right now. The only music promo shows is talk shows and stuff like Graham Norton which only attract the existing big guns, or more 'cool' styled acts.

Right now, the acts getting the #1s are those that already have big money and power behind them. UK #1 singles this year so far have come from: Ed Sheeran (international A-list), Harry Styles (international A-list), Justin Bieber x2 (international A-list), a charity song, and Clean Bandit x2 (UK A-list). Going back to 2016, #1s went to Bieber x2, Zayn (international A-list), Drake (international A-list), Little Mix (UK A-list), Chainsmokers and Mike Posner (on-trend EDM), and Lukas Graham and James Arthur (sentimental mass appeal ballads). Really, we haven't had any surprise #1 singles for a long time now. The real issue is that there haven't been any notable releases by A-list women to be in contention over the last 2 years.

Posted by: danG Jul 10 2017, 11:51 AM

QUOTE(girl_from_oz @ Jul 10 2017, 12:40 PM) *
Why is EDM so dominated by male artists- David Guetta, Calvin Harris etc, where are the female DJ', where are the female David Guetta and Calvin Harris's, EDM has to the most sexist genre in music right now

There simply aren't many female DJs, music production and DJing just appeal far more to men than women. We had NERVO who got a few minor hits but they're not making on-trend music now.

Posted by: 777666jason Jul 10 2017, 01:35 PM

QUOTE(SKOB @ Jul 9 2017, 04:30 PM) *
This is interesting although 3 years old

https://musicmachinery.com/2014/02/10/gender-specific-listening/

MAle artists have always had more support from both genders than female artists and now in consumption era it shows more than ever

Not true look at the X factor winners the female ones did better than the male ones

Posted by: Lenny Jul 10 2017, 01:37 PM

QUOTE(777666jason @ Jul 10 2017, 02:35 PM) *
Not true look at the X factor winners the female ones did better than the male ones

And then let's look at non-winners i.e. Olly Murs, JLS, One Direction...

Posted by: SKOB Jul 10 2017, 01:38 PM

It's just that men listen to male more than females and women listen to females but also male.

Female artists that are liked by men are huge: Rihanna, Beyoncé, Taylor Swift, Adele. (Beyoncé would also flood the Spotify top 50 if she released her music there, she's one of the biggest if not THE biggest star on planet)

But then men are not very likely to listen to Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato.

Posted by: 777666jason Jul 10 2017, 02:34 PM

QUOTE(Lenny @ Jul 10 2017, 01:37 PM) *
And then let's look at non-winners i.e. Olly Murs, JLS, One Direction...


That's not the point I'm making they were saying males have always been supported more than female

Posted by: Lenny Jul 10 2017, 02:38 PM

QUOTE(777666jason @ Jul 10 2017, 03:34 PM) *
That's not the point I'm making they were saying males have always been supported more than female

My post is a counter to the point you felt you were making...

Posted by: 777666jason Jul 10 2017, 02:46 PM

QUOTE(Lenny @ Jul 10 2017, 02:38 PM) *
My post is a counter to the point you felt you were making...


Nope clearly they supported the female winners more than the male ones with both voting and chart sales

Posted by: Lenny Jul 10 2017, 02:50 PM

QUOTE(777666jason @ Jul 10 2017, 03:46 PM) *
Nope clearly they supported the female winners more than the male ones with both voting and chart sales

Yeah they did but the big selling non-winners are the males. JLS, Olly Murs and especially One Direction have been huge. 1D probably bigger than Leona, and I feel stupid even saying 'probably'. James Arthur on a par with how successful Alexandra Burke was and he's still going. Little Mix may go on to be bigger than Leona too.

Ella Henderson may yet buck the trend for non-winners we'll see.

Posted by: Klaus Jul 10 2017, 02:50 PM

stream disconnect on spotify

Posted by: awardinary Jul 10 2017, 04:28 PM

I for one would like to see another female "supergroup" get to #1 such as in these examples;







This one also came to mind, albeit not a #1 single;


Posted by: Mart!n Jul 10 2017, 04:57 PM

Jess Glynne will probably save us all with her new material coming soon.

Posted by: JosephStyles Jul 10 2017, 04:58 PM

QUOTE(Mart!n @ Jul 10 2017, 05:57 PM) *
Jess Glynne will probably save us all with her new material coming soon.

On second thoughts, the male takeover isn't so bad basil.gif

Posted by: SKOB Jul 11 2017, 05:27 AM

^LMAO

yea the gender alone doesn't make anyone good

Posted by: danG Jul 11 2017, 09:55 AM

I can't wait for Jess Glynne, Queen of Music to slay the charts tho, hyped for her return.

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