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 Jan 19 2018, 08:19 PM
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QUOTE(Soy Adrián @ Jan 17 2018, 08:35 AM)  Are you actually a bot? Huh? |
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Jan 19 2018, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 19 2018, 08:05 PM) fits in well with his expensive London Garden Bridge farce which cost the taxpayer tens of millions with not a single brick of the "privately-funded" project being laid. Who wouldnt want to spend untold hundreds of billions on the longest car park in the world as people drive to the UK only to find customs can't cope with turning most of them back to france, or the hordes of Calais immigrants walking over and abseiling down the last bit before customs? More telling is how dumb journalists are for giving it column inches. He might as well have said I suggest the UK send me to Mars on a one-way rocketship. Both are equally plausible, and at least the latter would galvanise half the voting public to opt for it: Boris gets to be eternally famous, which is what he wants, and he can set up his own tax-free Marsdom while he counts his money. The rest of us get to never have him come up with hairbrained schemes that cost us money. Maybe we could charge the abseilers a fee 
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Jan 20 2018, 06:41 AM
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 Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 19 2018, 08:19 PM) Huh? Possibly because you endlessly parrot phrases from the socialist handbook, and deliberately overlook it's failings wherever it has actually been tried - Venezuela being the latest example. Ask yourself this : why do people escape *from* socialist countries, rather than *into* them... |
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Jan 20 2018, 12:16 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 20 2018, 06:41 AM) Possibly because you endlessly parrot phrases from the socialist handbook, and deliberately overlook it's failings wherever it has actually been tried - Venezuela being the latest example. Ask yourself this : why do people escape *from* socialist countries, rather than *into* them... Venezuela is a mess, as many very left-wing dictatorships are. So are many right-wing dictatorships (and the vast number of refugees come from right-wing/fundamental dictatorships because they vastly outnumber the left-wing ones). Personally I think they key word is "dictatorship" where there is no chance of democracy and freedom to remove the offending government. Corbyn getting into power (and I disagree with him so much in so many areas and have no respect for him as a person) is not the same as Venezuela. He can be voted out. Ask yourself this, why do millions "escape" from the UK? Though I take your point about people not exactly lining up to move to dictatorships, left or right, unless they have some personal benefit from the regime. |
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Jan 20 2018, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 20 2018, 12:16 PM) Venezuela is a mess, as many very left-wing dictatorships are. So are many right-wing dictatorships (and the vast number of refugees come from right-wing/fundamental dictatorships because they vastly outnumber the left-wing ones). Personally I think they key word is "dictatorship" where there is no chance of democracy and freedom to remove the offending government. Corbyn getting into power (and I disagree with him so much in so many areas and have no respect for him as a person) is not the same as Venezuela. He can be voted out. Ask yourself this, why do millions "escape" from the UK? Though I take your point about people not exactly lining up to move to dictatorships, left or right, unless they have some personal benefit from the regime. Wasn't Venezuela's current leader originally voted *in*? Come to think of it, so was Hitler... Why do people leave the UK? Climate; job opportunities; they don't like what this country is turning into? |
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Jan 20 2018, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 20 2018, 02:54 PM) Wasn't Venezuela's current leader originally voted *in*? Come to think of it, so was Hitler... Why do people leave the UK? Climate; job opportunities; they don't like what this country is turning into? Venezuela is NOT even properly aocialist. Thag is a lie. It is a dictatorship targeted by American sanctions. How would the UK be if its closest and biggest neighbour had sanctions against it? Well with Brexit we might get a taste but not the full impact. Socialism is FAR better than capitalism. Portugal and thr Nordic countries are doing much better economically and socially speakimg than the UK. |
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Jan 20 2018, 03:27 PM
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When did Portugal and the Nordic countries abolish capitalism? I must have missed that.
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Jan 20 2018, 03:30 PM
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Their models are far more socialist than ours. Even that level works much better than the neoliberal ultra capitalisms of UK/ USA.
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Jan 20 2018, 04:29 PM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 20 2018, 03:10 PM) Venezuela is NOT even properly aocialist. Thag is a lie. You've just spouted the classic socialist denial - it has only failed in <insert country name> because they are not *really* socialist.  Every single country that has tried unrestricted socialism has turned into a dictatorship - that is inevitable because it is a system that runs contrary to human nature. We all have different aspirations & abilities, but socialism tries to force everyone into a one-size-fits-all' mould, and the former means that latter cannot work - productive people rebel against the restrictions placed on them, and are then labelled as 'criminals' for resisting the unfair restraints placed on their ambitions. QUOTE It is a dictatorship targeted by American sanctions. FFS - and you wonder why people accuse you of being a bot? You just came up with yet another socialist mantra 'it's never their fault the system is failing'. Sanctions do not *create* dictatorships, they are a response *to* them. QUOTE How would the UK be if its closest and biggest neighbour had sanctions against it? Well with Brexit we might get a taste but not the full impact. I'd be delighted - it would be proof positive of everything I've claimed the EU is becoming! This post has been edited by vidcapper: Jan 20 2018, 04:31 PM |
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Jan 20 2018, 04:32 PM
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You are confusing communism with socialism. They. Are. Not. The. Same. A socialist economy is far more moral and equal than full on capitalist societies.
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Jan 20 2018, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 20 2018, 04:29 PM) I'd be delighted - it would be proof positive of everything I've claimed the EU is becoming! Just undermined your whole credibility. Quite apart from the fact that the EU doesnt impose sanctions on democracies - it just doesn't give them unrestricted access to their economy, just as the UK won't - that you would be delighted to see the UK be destroyed economically just so you can say "told you so" makes you look like a fanatic. The EU won't even if the UK has a massive strop and walks away with a self-mutilating Hard Brexit. All that will happen is we end up on the same terms that every country who has no deal with the EU has. So we pay more for what we want, what we sell, and no-one sees much of a point investing here unless they are screwing the British (as usual courtesy British politicians obsessed with bending over to accommodate foreign firms who's business we feel we need. Note: NOT the EU) PS the implication was it was the USA who imposed sanctions. Trump has already promised to steal UK trade and offered nothing in return, other than slagging us off at every opportunity. Have a look what he's done to his own country, with the full co-operation of the Republican party who run and control every aspect of the USA government - at least until November. PPS Johnson is a prick. Just to get back on topic. |
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Jan 21 2018, 07:11 AM
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Paul Hyett
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QUOTE(Shia LeMuffQueef @ Jan 20 2018, 04:32 PM) You are confusing communism with socialism. They. Are. Not. The. Same. Are you willing or able to quantify the differences then? |
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Jan 21 2018, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 20 2018, 04:52 PM) Just undermined your whole credibility. Quite apart from the fact that the EU doesnt impose sanctions on democracies - it just doesn't give them unrestricted access to their economy, just as the UK won't - that you would be delighted to see the UK be destroyed economically just so you can say "told you so" makes you look like a fanatic. You really don't understand me at all - if I thought for one second the British economy would be 'destroyed' by Brexit, I never would have voted for it - I simply don't share Remainers pessimism. As for the issue of sanctions, that's Shia LeMuffQueef's issue, not mine. |
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Jan 21 2018, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 21 2018, 07:16 AM) You really don't understand me at all - if I thought for one second the British economy would be 'destroyed' by Brexit, I never would have voted for it - I simply don't share Remainers pessimism. As for the issue of sanctions, that's Shia LeMuffQueef's issue, not mine. I didn't misunderstand you. You said it. Don't want to be misunderstood, don't say you would be "delighted" if the EU imposed sanctions. That you live in a fantasy world imagining that wouldnt harm the economy is irrelevant. That you live in a fantasy world where that could actually happen speaks volumes about your attitude. |
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Jan 21 2018, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 21 2018, 12:02 PM) I didn't misunderstand you. You said it. Don't want to be misunderstood, don't say you would be "delighted" if the EU imposed sanctions. That you live in a fantasy world imagining that wouldnt harm the economy is irrelevant. That you live in a fantasy world where that could actually happen speaks volumes about your attitude. OK, I'll retract the word 'delighted', and replace it with 'vindicated' - happier? |
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Jan 21 2018, 08:49 PM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Jan 21 2018, 03:05 PM) OK, I'll retract the word 'delighted', and replace it with 'vindicated' - happier? Yes, there's no room for mistaking what you mean. You expect the EU to put sanctions on the UK and you will feel vindicated if they do. Or am I misunderstanding you again? Perhaps you mean "My view of the EU is so negative that I wouldn't be at all shocked if they imposed sanctions on the UK just to spite us, and I would feel quietly pleased about being proven right though sorry if it hurts the UK economy" That's a pretty clear example of a sentence with no vagueness about it. Here's my response in advance: My view of the democratic EU is that they will be fair within the rules which apply to belonging to the Club, and those the UK chooses not to accept will mean they get as fairly treated as non-members of the club are treated. It's not in their (or our) interest to do otherwise because a bunch of EU-haters can't cope with alternative democratic systems and have a distortedly negative viewpoint that not everyone shares (other people who incidentally have perfectly valid concerns about their own future well-being). |
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Jan 22 2018, 07:12 AM
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QUOTE(Popchartfreak @ Jan 21 2018, 08:49 PM) Yes, there's no room for mistaking what you mean. You expect the EU to put sanctions on the UK and you will feel vindicated if they do. Or am I misunderstanding you again? Perhaps you mean "My view of the EU is so negative that I wouldn't be at all shocked if they imposed sanctions on the UK just to spite us, and I would feel quietly pleased about being proven right though sorry if it hurts the UK economy" That's a pretty clear example of a sentence with no vagueness about it. I'll pick option 2 |
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Mar 21 2018, 06:50 PM
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Not a gaffe per se, but Boris Johnson has gone full Godwin by saying that Putin will use the 2018 World Cup "like Hitler used the 1936 Olympics".
Probably not the best comparison, but Putin is definitely a nasty one. Doubt we'll see England pulling out of the World Cup at this late stage, unless other European clubs agree to do so in solidarity. |
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Mar 21 2018, 07:13 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Mar 21 2018, 06:50 PM) Not a gaffe per se, but Boris Johnson has gone full Godwin by saying that Putin will use the 2018 World Cup "like Hitler used the 1936 Olympics". Probably not the best comparison, but Putin is definitely a nasty one. Doubt we'll see England pulling out of the World Cup at this late stage, unless other European clubs agree to do so in solidarity. Didn't he basically just reiterate Labour comments though? And let's be Frank here, it is going to be true. There is zero percent of England or any European nation pulling out of the World Cup. |
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Mar 21 2018, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE(Brett-Butler @ Mar 21 2018, 06:50 PM) Not a gaffe per se, but Boris Johnson has gone full Godwin by saying that Putin will use the 2018 World Cup "like Hitler used the 1936 Olympics". Probably not the best comparison, but Putin is definitely a nasty one. Doubt we'll see England pulling out of the World Cup at this late stage, unless other European clubs agree to do so in solidarity. Of course Putin will use it for propaganda purposes. However, the man who used the 2012 Olympics as an opportunity for shameless self-promotion is not the person best placed to complain about it. Thankfully he has no power to force England to boycott the tournament. As Thatcher found out with the 1980 Olympics in Moscow, either does the PM. |
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