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 Mariah Carey - All I Want for Christmas Is You, From the album Merry Christmas |
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 8th November 2019, 10:39 PM
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QUOTE(lewistgreen @ Nov 8 2019, 10:38 PM)  The label need to request it but the main thing is a 25% surge in streams Which isn't relevant for Mariah, the 25% rule isn't applicable to songs older than 3 years. It's meant to be on permanent ACR, but Lizzo's Good As Hell got a reset regardless thanks to its current single promotion. Mariah's label could technically apply to the OCC, but it's not going to happen otherwise. |
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9th November 2019, 12:20 AM
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The OCC have blocked Mariah from entering the Top 100 this week. AIWFCIY is number 57 on sales and 63 on streaming yet is nowhere to be seen. What a joke.
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9th November 2019, 12:25 AM
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you never forget your first time...
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It's because it's on the accelerated ratio
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9th November 2019, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 9 2019, 12:25 AM) It's because it's on the accelerated ratio Are you able to see where she is in the Top 200. Howcome Chris Brown featuring Drake is at number 99 if they're on ACR and only at number 59 in streaming but not charting on sales?. I do not get these charts and wish they would have left it as it is. |
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9th November 2019, 12:24 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(joyride @ Nov 9 2019, 01:43 AM) Are you able to see where she is in the Top 200. Howcome Chris Brown featuring Drake is at number 99 if they're on ACR and only at number 59 in streaming but not charting on sales?. I do not get these charts and wish they would have left it as it is. There is no top 200 any longer, it's top 100 or nothing. No Guidance is #65 in the audio streaming chart, while Mariah is #81 - that alone clarifies why No Guidance is charting and Mariah is not, it has more streams even on the accelerated ratio...! |
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9th November 2019, 12:52 PM
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Hmmm can't see it happening now then, that's SUCH a massive scaling down.
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9th November 2019, 12:55 PM
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^ it will have a massive lead over everything else (except other Christmas songs which are also on ACR) in its peak week though. It was very close to getting #1 last year and the rules haven't changed since then, it most likely will get there this year unless there's a very strong new release around, or Wham! does a lot better due to the film.
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9th November 2019, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 9 2019, 12:24 PM) There is no top 200 any longer, it's top 100 or nothing. No Guidance is #65 in the audio streaming chart, while Mariah is #81 - that alone clarifies why No Guidance is charting and Mariah is not, it has more streams even on the accelerated ratio...!  Do they not count video streams towards the charts? |
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9th November 2019, 01:04 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(joyride @ Nov 9 2019, 12:57 PM) Do they not count video streams towards the charts? They do - No Guidance is #48 on video streams vs #43 for Mariah, not a significant enough difference! |
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9th November 2019, 01:09 PM
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Her streams are up roughly 20% this year, so hopefully she'll do around 6.4million on Spotify for the week!
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9th November 2019, 01:29 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 9 2019, 01:04 PM) They do - No Guidance is #48 on video streams vs #43 for Mariah, not a significant enough difference! Still seems iffy to me. I understand there's an audio and video streaming chart and together they combine to make the streaming chart? Unless I'm mistaken. But it's not making any sense. This post has been edited by joyride: 9th November 2019, 01:30 PM |
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9th November 2019, 03:46 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(joyride @ Nov 9 2019, 01:29 PM) Still seems iffy to me. I understand there's an audio and video streaming chart and together they combine to make the streaming chart? Unless I'm mistaken. But it's not making any sense. Apologies for confusion - yes, the audio and video streaming charts together make up the overall streaming chart. With No Guidance at #99, it's likely Mariah's sales advantage wasn't enough to overcome it. Another theory is that No Guidance has performed better on premium streams (from paid Spotify subscriptions as well as Apple Music, Amazon Music, Tidal, etc) than Mariah. Premium streams are weighted higher than ad-funded streams (e.g. free Spotify) and this is not reflected in the streaming chart (which is simply a ranking of the total weekly streams of each song). |
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9th November 2019, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Nov 9 2019, 03:46 PM) Apologies for confusion - yes, the audio and video streaming charts together make up the overall streaming chart. With No Guidance at #99, it's likely Mariah's sales advantage wasn't enough to overcome it. Another theory is that No Guidance has performed better on premium streams (from paid Spotify subscriptions as well as Apple Music, Amazon Music, Tidal, etc) than Mariah. Premium streams are weighted higher than ad-funded streams (e.g. free Spotify) and this is not reflected in the streaming chart (which is simply a ranking of the total weekly streams of each song). The sales advantage not being enough is plausible but doubt comes in when I analyse it. .................. Streaming .........Sales .........Chart Shortgun ........... 58 ......... 67 ......... 87 No guidance......... 59 ......... DNC ......... 99 Shallow ........... 60 ......... 49 ......... 89 All I Want ......... 63 ......... 57 ......... DNC Truth Hurts........... 64 ......... 87 ......... 88 Wish You Well......... 65 ......... DNC ......... 100 AIW did better on streams and sales than WYW, yet the latter was able to chart at 100  Call me paranoid but I wouldn't put manipulation past them, they screwed her out of number one last year with whatever crap they invented for her Thursday streams.And if they do that second theory, they're even more crazy than I thought lol. |
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9th November 2019, 05:15 PM
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Not sure why you care so much that a Christmas song hasn’t charted this week when it’s still early November?!
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9th November 2019, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mike4Jade @ Nov 9 2019, 05:15 PM) Not sure why you care so much that a Christmas song hasn’t charted this week when it’s still early November?! Because it sets the pace for December and I know that they were furious their silly streaming rules didn't stop Xmas songs from flooding the charts last year. If they aren't giving correct data now, they certainly won't later. I'm so invested in AIW and need to see it go #1  
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9th November 2019, 06:15 PM
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I agree. In fact I'm extremely surprised they didn't ban Xmas songs altogether or create a separate chart as it was clear they were fuming over the invasion last year after their futile attempt to at least cull them. Very happy this doesn't appear to be the case! For one more year at least anyway...
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9th November 2019, 07:13 PM
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The charts are completely fake and Mariah was last year's no.1, ehethee rhe fake company accepts it or not
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9th November 2019, 07:32 PM
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What exactly would motivate the OCC to manipulate Mariah to be outside the top 100 rather than #98 or whatever...?
The premium vs. free streams thing isn't a 'theory', that is the rule the OCC uses and it's why there are sometimes discrepancies between the streaming-only chart and the overall chart. 'Wish You Well' is higher on the audio streaming chart while 'All I Want For Christmas Is You' is higher on the video streaming chart (enough so that it's the higher of the two on the combined streaming chart), most video streams are from YouTube which counts as free streams and is thus weighted less heavily. It won't be a huge difference so she was likely only just short of entering the top 100. |
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9th November 2019, 07:33 PM
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Have they got a new secret rule preventing Christmas songs charting before December maybe? 👀
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9th November 2019, 08:14 PM
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Number 90 here in Ireland this week
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