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post Apr 4 2017, 01:13 AM
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A few years ago a new greatest hits with all the hits from patience onwards would have been a huge seller but i wouldnt be so confident now. I would think the new Greatest Hits whenever we get it would have to have a mixture of old and new, the track listing could be heavy on the music since the reform and be select with the songs from the past but they would also need to add at least 2-3 brand new tracks.

My suggestion for the title this time would be Rule The World, The Very Best of Take That.
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Now, its clear that TT is better than WL
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post Aug 19 2017, 09:27 PM
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In terms of YouTube views the two groups top 10 are these.

Take That

1.Back For Good: 38.3 million
2.The Flood: 32 million
3.Rule The World: 30.2 million
4.Patience: 24.5 million
5.These Days: 15.5 million
6.Greatest Day: 15 million
7.How Deep Is Your Love: 12.7 million
8.Love Love / Shine: 11.8 million
9.Kidz: 8.7 million
10.Get Ready For It: 5.8 million

Westlife

1.My Love: 113 million
2.If I Let You Go: 57.3 million
3.You Raise Me Up: 56.6 million
4.Fool Again: 42.5 million
5.Seasons in the Sun: 29.1 million
6.Swear It Again: 28.8 million
7.I Lay My Love on You: 26.6 million
8.Queen of My Heart: 26.5 million
9.Flying Without Wings: 25.6 million
10.I Have a Dream: 23.3 million


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post Aug 28 2017, 07:51 PM
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Take That

1991: 50,000 (estimate as only Do What U Like #82 and Promises #38 were released this year and based upon 1991 sales patterns)
1992: 983,500
1993: 2,137,000
1994: 1,340,500
1995: 2,020,000
1996: 1,740,000
2005: 754,862
2006: 1,850,000
2007: 2,416,521
2008: 2,711,766
2009: 2,238,970
2010: 3,015,311
2011: 1,146,700
2012: 65,000
2014: 579,000
2015: 360,000
2016: 60,000
2017: 217,250
2018: 231,290
2019: 106,400

Total records sold in Britain = 23,964,034

Westlife

1999: 2,202,814
2000: 3,084,643
2001: 2,360,000
2002: 1,790,000
2003: 1,229,000
2004: 810,000
2005: 1,630,000
2006: 1,420,000
2007: 1,395,233
2008: 441,004
2009: 636,455
2010: 476,437
2011: 423,200
2012: 78,600
2019: 331,200

Total records sold in Britain = 18,308,586

Top 10 years between both

1. Westlife - 3,084,643 (2000)
2. Take That - 3,015,311 (2010)
3. Take That - 2,711,766 (2008)
4. Take That - 2,416,521 (2007)
5. Westlife - 2,360,000 (2001)
6. Take That - 2,238,970 (2009)
7. Westlife - 2,202,814 (1999)
8. Take That - 2,137,000 (1993)
9. Take That - 2,020,000 (1995)
10. Take That - 1,850,000 (2006)


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post Sep 7 2017, 07:53 PM
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For the longest time I've been interested in which songs by Take That are most popular especially outside of Europe and on different continents.
The hardest to find are Africa, Asia and South America so I decided the best way to find out would be to surf through their countries iTunes store instead!

I'll start with:

AFRICA

Botswana: Shine
Cape Verde: Patience
Egypt: Rule The World
Ghana: Back For Good
Kenya: Back For Good
Mauritius: Back For Good
Mozambique: Back For Good
Nambia: Back For Good
Nigeria: Rule The World
South Africa: Patience
Uganda: Back For Good
Zimbabwe: The Flood

continent song count:

Back For Good: 6
Patience: 2
Rule The World: 2
Shine: 1
The Flood: 1

ASIA

Armenia: The Flood
Azerbaijan: How Deep Is Your Love
Bahrain: Rule The World
Brunei Darussalam: Back For Good
Cambodia: Patience
China: Patience
Fiji: Cry
Hong Kong: Back For Good
India: Back For Good
Indonesia: Back For Good
Israel: Patience
Japan: Patience
Jordan: These Days
Kazakhstan: Back For Good
Lebanon: Rule The World
Macau: How Deep Is Your Love
Malaysia: Back For Good
Mongolia: Back For Good
Oman: These Days
Philippines: Back For Good
Qatar: Back For Good
Saudi Arabia: Rule The World
Singapore: Back For Good
Sri Lanka: Back For Good
Taiwan: Patience
Thailand: Back For Good
UAE: Back For Good
Uzbekistan: Babe
Vietnam: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 14
Patience: 5
Rule The World: 3
How Deep Is Your Love: 2
These Days: 2
Babe: 1
Cry: 1
The Flood: 1

AUSTRALASIA

Australia: Back For Good
New Zealand: Back For Good
Papua New Guinea: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 3

EUROPE

Austria: The Flood
Belarus: Rule The World
Belgium: Back For Good
Bulgaria: Rule The World
Cyprus: Rule The World
Czech Republic: The Flood
Denmark: Patience
Estonia: Cry
Finland: Patience
France: The Flood
Germany: Patience
Greece: Patience
Hungary: Rule The World
Iceland: Back For Good
Ireland: Rule The World
Italy: The Flood
Latvia: These Days
Lithuania: Rule The World
Luxembourg: The Flood
Malta: Rule The World
Moldova: How Deep Is Your Love
Netherlands: The Flood
Norway: Patience
Poland: Rule The World
Portugal: The Flood
Romania: Rule The World
Russia: Babe
Slovakia: Rule The World
Slovenia: The Flood
Spain: Patience
Sweden: Patience
Switzerland: Patience
Turkey: Rule The World
Ukraine: Babe
UK: Shine

continent song count

Rule The World: 11
Patience: 8
The Flood: 8
Babe: 2
Back For Good: 2
Cry: 1
How Deep Is Your Love: 1
Shine: 1
These Days: 1

NORTH AMERICA

Antigua and Barbuda: Back For Good
Bahamas: Hey Boy
Barbados: These Days
Belize: Rule The World
Canada: Patience
Costa Rica: Back For Good
Dominican Republic: Back For Good
El Salvador: Back For Good
Guatemala: Back For Good
Honduras: Back For Good
Mexico: Back For Good
Nicaragua: Back For Good
Panama: Back For Good
Trinidad and Tobago: Back For Good
USA: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 11
Hey Boy: 1
Patience: 1
Rule The World: 1
These Days: 1

SOUTH AMERICA

Argentina: Back For Good
Bermuda: Greatest Day
Bolivia: Patience
Brazil: Back For Good
British Virgin Islands: These Days
Cayman Islands: Never Forget
Chile: Back For Good
Colombia: Back For Good
Ecuador: Back For Good
Paraguay: Back For Good
Peru: Back For Good
Venezuela: Back For Good

continent song count:

Back For Good: 8
Greatest Day: 1
Never Forget: 1
Patience: 1
These Days: 1

Total song count for AFRICA, ASIA, AUSTRALASIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA and SOUTH AMERICA.

Back For Good: 44
Patience: 17
Rule The World: 17
The Flood: 10
These Days: 5
Babe: 3
How Deep Is Your Love: 3
Cry: 2
Shine: 2
Greatest Day: 1
Hey Boy: 1
Never Forget: 1

Most popular song by continents:

AFRICA: Back For Good
ASIA: Back For Good
AUSTRALASIA: Back For Good
EUROPE: Rule The World
NORTH AMERICA: Back For Good
SOUTH AMERICA: Back For Good


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For the longest time I've been interested in which songs by Westlife are most popular especially outside of Europe and on different continents.
The hardest to find are Africa, Asia and South America so I decided the best way to find out would be to surf through their countries iTunes store instead!

I'll start with:

AFRICA

Botswana: You Raise Me Up
Cape Verde: What About Now
Egypt: My Love
Ghana: Flying Without Wings
Kenya: Queen Of My Heart
Mauritius: You Raise Me Up
Mozambique: Flying Without Wings
Nambia: You Raise Me Up
Nigeria: Flying Without Wings
South Africa: Queen Of My Heart
Uganda: You Raise Me Up
Zimbabwe: Queen Of My Heart

ASIA

Armenia: You Raise Me Up
Azerbaijan: Soledad
Bahrain: My Love
Brunei Darussalam: You Raise Me Up
Cambodia: My Love
China: The Rose
Fiji: If I Let You Go
Hong Kong: You Raise Me Up
India: Seasons In The Sun
Indonesia: My Love
Israel: If I Let You Go
Japan: You Raise Me Up
Jordan: My Love
Kazakhstan: Soledad
Lebanon: Against All Odds
Macau: You Raise Me Up
Malaysia: You Raise Me Up
Mongolia: My Love
Oman: Seasons In The Sun
Philippines: If I Let You Go
Qatar: My Love
Saudi Arabia: You Raise Me Up
Singapore: My Love
Sri Lanka: You Raise Me Up
Taiwan: You Raise Me Up
Thailand: My Love
UAE: You Raise Me Up
Uzbekistan: What About Now
Vietnam: I Have A Dream

AUSTRALASIA

Australia: You Raise Me Up
New Zealand: You Raise Me Up
Papua New Guinea: Swear It Again

EUROPE

Austria: You Raise Me Up
Belarus: What About Now
Belgium: You Raise Me Up
Bulgaria: You Raise Me Up
Cyprus: Flying Without Wings
Czech Republic: Mandy
Denmark: You Raise Me Up
Estonia: If I Let You Go
Finland: You Raise Me Up
France: Unbreakable
Germany: You Raise Me Up
Greece: Total Eclipse Of The Heart
Hungary: You Raise Me Up
Ireland: Home
Italy: You Raise Me Up
Latvia: If I Let You Go
Lithuania: I Have A Dream
Luxembourg: You Raise Me Up
Malta: You Raise Me Up
Moldova: Soledad
Netherlands: You Raise Me Up
Norway: You Raise Me Up
Poland: You Raise Me Up
Portugal: Against All Odds
Romania: You Raise Me Up
Russia: What About Now
Slovakia: Uptown Girl
Slovenia: Total Eclipse Of The Heart
Spain: Uptown Girl
Sweden: The Rose
Switzerland: You Raise Me Up
Turkey: Against All Odds
Ukraine: When You Tell Me That You Love Me
UK: You Raise Me Up

NORTH AMERICA

Antigua and Barbuda: Against All Odds
Bahamas: Against All Odds
Barbados: Uptown Girl
Belize: I'll See You Again
Canada: You Raise Me Up
Costa Rica: Uptown Girl
Dominican Republic: Swear It Again
El Salvador: Uptown Girl
Guatemala: Fool Again
Honduras: Uptown Girl
Mexico: Fool Again
Nicaragua: Against All Odds
Panama: Flying Without Wings
Trinidad and Tobago: You Raise Me Up
USA: Safe

SOUTH AMERICA

Argentina: Uptown Girl
Bermuda: Against All Odds
Bolivia: The Reason
Brazil: Against All Odds
British Virgin Islands: I Have A Dream
Cayman Islands: My Love
Chile: Fool Again
Colombia: Fool Again
Ecuador: Uptown Girl
Paraguay: If I Let You Go
Peru: Uptown Girl
Venezuela: Flying Without Wings

Total song count for AFRICA, ASIA, AUSTRALASIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA and SOUTH AMERICA.

Most popular songs by continents:

AFRICA: You Raise Me Up
ASIA: You Raise Me Up
AUSTRALASIA: You Raise Me Up
EUROPE: You Raise Me Up
NORTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl
SOUTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl


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post Dec 24 2017, 04:18 PM
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Take That are better in my opinion, they have had a greater variety in terms of style of songs, from dance pop, 'It Only Takes A Minute' to Coldplay style pop rock, 'Said it All' to ballads, 'A Million Love Songs'.
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post Mar 18 2018, 04:39 PM
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Louis Walsh the Westlife manager said a few months ago that a reunion would be the four of them and under no circumstances would Brian McFadden be a part of it despite his enthusiasm. Walsh explained the reason was they had 7 years after he left the band in 2004 and they are just better off all round as a four piece.

Granted they did have 7 extra years afterwards but their mammoth success Globally (1999 - 2002) was with Brian in the group and that can't be dismissed just for Walsh's personal reasons. It seems Walsh is still angered by McFadden as he felt the very real possibility of the band splitting soon after his departure. This didn't happen as we know but their sales never recovered and anyhow were already going down in 2003 with the 'Turnaround' album.

I would love to see a full reunion Westlife if it does happen for their fans as this is how they are remembered most. I think it's a Take That situation when they went with a different manager for the reunion to keep the possibility of Robbie returning in the mix. Had they stayed with Nigel I doubt highly Robbie would have returned and Jason may have been traded in for Shayne Ward (!) as was Nigels plan for a reunion.

I don't see Westlife either going with a new manager for a reunion other than Walsh as they wouldn't be able to function without him or Simon Cowell. I also don't see them standing up strongly for anything they want to do based on pattern of their initial career including having Brian back if they wanted it so. Their fans may never see a full reunion with Brian which would be a shame especially as in recent years he appears a lot more likable now with his television career and more rounded personality.


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post Mar 18 2018, 11:13 PM
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I think we will see a reunion, perhaps for 10 years since the greatest hits or something. Although, I expect it to go a bit like the Boyzone comeback.
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post Mar 19 2018, 08:28 PM
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I was thinking the same thing as the only two boybands to have achieved commercial success since reforming in the UK were Take That and to a much lesser extent Boyzone. I think Westlife would fall between the two perhaps.

The other boybands who have tried Blue, Let Loose, 911, Five, Busted, East 17, A1, Blazin' Squad, Bros and Damage haven't had any new commercial success or certifications for their recent output just low sales.

edit: Maybe I was being harsh judging reunions on any certifications obtained so the list of reformed boybands who have had a top 20 reunion record with either albums/singles are:

In brackets position in top 20 best selling boybands in UK history

Take That, (1)
Boyzone, (4)
Blue, (9)
Busted (13)

The ones who haven't had new studio album/single go top 20 or even chart highly/at all since reforming are:

Let Loose,
911,
East 17, (11)
A1

Boybands who reformed but stuck to just low selling tours and no new reunion records are:

Five, (10)
Bros, (16)
Damage,
Blazin' Squad


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With the Westlife 4 man version reunion imminent, let's refresh the state of play and UK sales between the two biggest boybands in British music history.

TT: 13.8 mil albums / 10.2 mil singles = 24 million
Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.2 mil singles = 19.2 million

4.8 million in total more records sold by TT. Can they be caught?

Take That had to overcome far more records than that from 2005 and overtook WL UK sales in 2009 some four years of huge success later.

They have refused Brian offer to reform as a five and because of that their old label Syco and Simon Cowell has said he won't be apart of the reunion, having wanted the full 5 or nothing. They have signed with Universal instead.

Maybe they are hoping to do a Take That? Continue as a four then in time bring Brian onboard?

Thoughts?


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I'm up for Westlife back, really like them!

I wouldn't be surprised if 1D do a similar thing to Take That in a few years, but I don't think Harry will join them.
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Sales of both acts (albums/singles) per decade in the UK:

90's

Take That: 8,271,000
Westlife: 2,202,814

00's

Westlife: 14,796,335
Take That: 9,972,119

10's

Take That: 5,443,261
Westlife: 978,237

As shown it really can't be underestimated how much of a force Westlife truly were in the 00's in British sales. Blue (2002) and Busted (2003 & 2004) both had better sales for those calendar years, putting Westlife down to runner up spot. However neither group lasted nor completely took Westlife out completely.

In 2004 they were third biggest behind Busted and McFly and again in 2009 behind TT and JLS. This was their lowest ranks until going further down in their departure year.

Westlife were the only one out of the two compared groups to break 10 million sales for a decade, though Take That were very close in the 00's to doing this also.

Year on year sales it really is obvious to see that Take That return at first slightly then drastically tumbled Westlife huge sales to respectable numbers, however no longer blockbusting.

JLS mainly are to be mentioned as well in affecting Westlife sales.

When Westlife split up they were the fifth biggest selling boyband behind Take That, JLS, The Wanted and One Direction, who outsold them with their huge debut single alone.

Westlife were the fifth biggest on departure and I suppose the writing was on the wall back then.

The 2010's was their downfall with huge new rival younger boybands and an existing massive man band, and biggest of them all, ultimately placed them out of the market.

Number 1's (singles/abums) in UK per decade

90's

Take That: 11
Westlife: 4

00's

Westlife: 17
Take That: 5

10's

Take That: 3
Westlife: 0

Total Combined:

Westlife: 21
Take That: 19


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It’s nice that they’ve come back, albeit always inevitable given how none of them had a successful solo outing.

I fear they’ll more likely do a Boyzone than a Take That. They’ll probably get a top 5 album, but unsure if there’s anything there that’ll keep attention and convert new fans. Perhaps a 5 piece would have helped, considering they’ve been 4 for a large part of their career.

In fact, when you think about it, TT have only been a 5 piece for 9 years of their 30 in the business!
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I agree. Singles wise I'd be surprised if anything big happens on that front or many sales acquired. Album may sneak #1 but I don't think it'll be a huge seller.
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Do we know when the album is released? Will it go up against TT?
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That's a good point, I didn't think about that. I know this sounds tribal but I really hope Westlife don't do to TT what TT return did to them! If they do I'm sure it'll be interesting.
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I don't think Westlife have something to be jealous of from Take That.. Musically Take that might be better, vocally Westlife are superior comfortably.
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I completely agree and think you may be right ... if this was 1999 and comparing.

During Take That absent years I agreed and thought Westlife were collectively better singers, though not in songs or overall musicality.

However, since the reunion as a collective I'm inclined to say Take That overall are vocally better than Westlife. Gary and Robbie were always strong vocalists with character. Mark/Howard could sing to a certain style to fit their voices. Jason played guitar or danced.

Now Gary and Robbie are the same still, Mark has more versatility and Howard is stronger vocally and all are consistently strong. Jason is like Mark and Howard in the 90's he has a great tone and can sing a song best suited to his abilities i.e Wooden Boat though isn't as versatile vocally as the other four.

Westlife have two amazing singers for the style they sang, fact. Shane and Mark are arguably better in this slow style, though Gary and Robbie are able to suit different musical styles/genres. Brian was also a good singer. Kian is okay though not great and Nicky from the few album tracks lines I've heard can't really sing.

As it stands today, man for man. I feel Take That vocally have overtaken Westlife, this is just my opinion however.


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Mark from Westlife i would say is the best vocally from all put together.
All of Westlife are good singers as are all Take That, Jason is likely the weakest singer among them all.
As for overall talent, Westlife fall down greatly against Take That.
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