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Apr 4 2017, 01:13 AM
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A few years ago a new greatest hits with all the hits from patience onwards would have been a huge seller but i wouldnt be so confident now. I would think the new Greatest Hits whenever we get it would have to have a mixture of old and new, the track listing could be heavy on the music since the reform and be select with the songs from the past but they would also need to add at least 2-3 brand new tracks.
My suggestion for the title this time would be Rule The World, The Very Best of Take That. |
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May 13 2017, 01:33 AM
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Now, its clear that TT is better than WL
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Aug 19 2017, 09:27 PM
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In terms of YouTube views the two groups top 10 are these.
Take That 1.Back For Good: 38.3 million 2.The Flood: 32 million 3.Rule The World: 30.2 million 4.Patience: 24.5 million 5.These Days: 15.5 million 6.Greatest Day: 15 million 7.How Deep Is Your Love: 12.7 million 8.Love Love / Shine: 11.8 million 9.Kidz: 8.7 million 10.Get Ready For It: 5.8 million Westlife 1.My Love: 113 million 2.If I Let You Go: 57.3 million 3.You Raise Me Up: 56.6 million 4.Fool Again: 42.5 million 5.Seasons in the Sun: 29.1 million 6.Swear It Again: 28.8 million 7.I Lay My Love on You: 26.6 million 8.Queen of My Heart: 26.5 million 9.Flying Without Wings: 25.6 million 10.I Have a Dream: 23.3 million This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Feb 26 2018, 06:29 PM |
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Aug 28 2017, 07:51 PM
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Take That
1991: 50,000 (estimate as only Do What U Like #82 and Promises #38 were released this year and based upon 1991 sales patterns) 1992: 983,500 1993: 2,137,000 1994: 1,340,500 1995: 2,020,000 1996: 1,740,000 2005: 754,862 2006: 1,850,000 2007: 2,416,521 2008: 2,711,766 2009: 2,238,970 2010: 3,015,311 2011: 1,146,700 2012: 65,000 2014: 579,000 2015: 360,000 2016: 60,000 2017: 217,250 2018: 231,290 2019: 106,400 Total records sold in Britain = 23,964,034 Westlife 1999: 2,202,814 2000: 3,084,643 2001: 2,360,000 2002: 1,790,000 2003: 1,229,000 2004: 810,000 2005: 1,630,000 2006: 1,420,000 2007: 1,395,233 2008: 441,004 2009: 636,455 2010: 476,437 2011: 423,200 2012: 78,600 2019: 331,200 Total records sold in Britain = 18,308,586 Top 10 years between both 1. Westlife - 3,084,643 (2000) 2. Take That - 3,015,311 (2010) 3. Take That - 2,711,766 (2008) 4. Take That - 2,416,521 (2007) 5. Westlife - 2,360,000 (2001) 6. Take That - 2,238,970 (2009) 7. Westlife - 2,202,814 (1999) 8. Take That - 2,137,000 (1993) 9. Take That - 2,020,000 (1995) 10. Take That - 1,850,000 (2006) This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Jan 7 2020, 08:03 PM |
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Sep 7 2017, 07:53 PM
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For the longest time I've been interested in which songs by Take That are most popular especially outside of Europe and on different continents.
The hardest to find are Africa, Asia and South America so I decided the best way to find out would be to surf through their countries iTunes store instead! I'll start with: AFRICA Botswana: Shine Cape Verde: Patience Egypt: Rule The World Ghana: Back For Good Kenya: Back For Good Mauritius: Back For Good Mozambique: Back For Good Nambia: Back For Good Nigeria: Rule The World South Africa: Patience Uganda: Back For Good Zimbabwe: The Flood continent song count: Back For Good: 6 Patience: 2 Rule The World: 2 Shine: 1 The Flood: 1 ASIA Armenia: The Flood Azerbaijan: How Deep Is Your Love Bahrain: Rule The World Brunei Darussalam: Back For Good Cambodia: Patience China: Patience Fiji: Cry Hong Kong: Back For Good India: Back For Good Indonesia: Back For Good Israel: Patience Japan: Patience Jordan: These Days Kazakhstan: Back For Good Lebanon: Rule The World Macau: How Deep Is Your Love Malaysia: Back For Good Mongolia: Back For Good Oman: These Days Philippines: Back For Good Qatar: Back For Good Saudi Arabia: Rule The World Singapore: Back For Good Sri Lanka: Back For Good Taiwan: Patience Thailand: Back For Good UAE: Back For Good Uzbekistan: Babe Vietnam: Back For Good continent song count: Back For Good: 14 Patience: 5 Rule The World: 3 How Deep Is Your Love: 2 These Days: 2 Babe: 1 Cry: 1 The Flood: 1 AUSTRALASIA Australia: Back For Good New Zealand: Back For Good Papua New Guinea: Back For Good continent song count: Back For Good: 3 EUROPE Austria: The Flood Belarus: Rule The World Belgium: Back For Good Bulgaria: Rule The World Cyprus: Rule The World Czech Republic: The Flood Denmark: Patience Estonia: Cry Finland: Patience France: The Flood Germany: Patience Greece: Patience Hungary: Rule The World Iceland: Back For Good Ireland: Rule The World Italy: The Flood Latvia: These Days Lithuania: Rule The World Luxembourg: The Flood Malta: Rule The World Moldova: How Deep Is Your Love Netherlands: The Flood Norway: Patience Poland: Rule The World Portugal: The Flood Romania: Rule The World Russia: Babe Slovakia: Rule The World Slovenia: The Flood Spain: Patience Sweden: Patience Switzerland: Patience Turkey: Rule The World Ukraine: Babe UK: Shine continent song count Rule The World: 11 Patience: 8 The Flood: 8 Babe: 2 Back For Good: 2 Cry: 1 How Deep Is Your Love: 1 Shine: 1 These Days: 1 NORTH AMERICA Antigua and Barbuda: Back For Good Bahamas: Hey Boy Barbados: These Days Belize: Rule The World Canada: Patience Costa Rica: Back For Good Dominican Republic: Back For Good El Salvador: Back For Good Guatemala: Back For Good Honduras: Back For Good Mexico: Back For Good Nicaragua: Back For Good Panama: Back For Good Trinidad and Tobago: Back For Good USA: Back For Good continent song count: Back For Good: 11 Hey Boy: 1 Patience: 1 Rule The World: 1 These Days: 1 SOUTH AMERICA Argentina: Back For Good Bermuda: Greatest Day Bolivia: Patience Brazil: Back For Good British Virgin Islands: These Days Cayman Islands: Never Forget Chile: Back For Good Colombia: Back For Good Ecuador: Back For Good Paraguay: Back For Good Peru: Back For Good Venezuela: Back For Good continent song count: Back For Good: 8 Greatest Day: 1 Never Forget: 1 Patience: 1 These Days: 1 Total song count for AFRICA, ASIA, AUSTRALASIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA and SOUTH AMERICA. Back For Good: 44 Patience: 17 Rule The World: 17 The Flood: 10 These Days: 5 Babe: 3 How Deep Is Your Love: 3 Cry: 2 Shine: 2 Greatest Day: 1 Hey Boy: 1 Never Forget: 1 Most popular song by continents: AFRICA: Back For Good ASIA: Back For Good AUSTRALASIA: Back For Good EUROPE: Rule The World NORTH AMERICA: Back For Good SOUTH AMERICA: Back For Good This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Feb 22 2018, 04:02 PM |
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Sep 11 2017, 07:39 PM
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For the longest time I've been interested in which songs by Westlife are most popular especially outside of Europe and on different continents.
The hardest to find are Africa, Asia and South America so I decided the best way to find out would be to surf through their countries iTunes store instead! I'll start with: AFRICA Botswana: You Raise Me Up Cape Verde: What About Now Egypt: My Love Ghana: Flying Without Wings Kenya: Queen Of My Heart Mauritius: You Raise Me Up Mozambique: Flying Without Wings Nambia: You Raise Me Up Nigeria: Flying Without Wings South Africa: Queen Of My Heart Uganda: You Raise Me Up Zimbabwe: Queen Of My Heart ASIA Armenia: You Raise Me Up Azerbaijan: Soledad Bahrain: My Love Brunei Darussalam: You Raise Me Up Cambodia: My Love China: The Rose Fiji: If I Let You Go Hong Kong: You Raise Me Up India: Seasons In The Sun Indonesia: My Love Israel: If I Let You Go Japan: You Raise Me Up Jordan: My Love Kazakhstan: Soledad Lebanon: Against All Odds Macau: You Raise Me Up Malaysia: You Raise Me Up Mongolia: My Love Oman: Seasons In The Sun Philippines: If I Let You Go Qatar: My Love Saudi Arabia: You Raise Me Up Singapore: My Love Sri Lanka: You Raise Me Up Taiwan: You Raise Me Up Thailand: My Love UAE: You Raise Me Up Uzbekistan: What About Now Vietnam: I Have A Dream AUSTRALASIA Australia: You Raise Me Up New Zealand: You Raise Me Up Papua New Guinea: Swear It Again EUROPE Austria: You Raise Me Up Belarus: What About Now Belgium: You Raise Me Up Bulgaria: You Raise Me Up Cyprus: Flying Without Wings Czech Republic: Mandy Denmark: You Raise Me Up Estonia: If I Let You Go Finland: You Raise Me Up France: Unbreakable Germany: You Raise Me Up Greece: Total Eclipse Of The Heart Hungary: You Raise Me Up Ireland: Home Italy: You Raise Me Up Latvia: If I Let You Go Lithuania: I Have A Dream Luxembourg: You Raise Me Up Malta: You Raise Me Up Moldova: Soledad Netherlands: You Raise Me Up Norway: You Raise Me Up Poland: You Raise Me Up Portugal: Against All Odds Romania: You Raise Me Up Russia: What About Now Slovakia: Uptown Girl Slovenia: Total Eclipse Of The Heart Spain: Uptown Girl Sweden: The Rose Switzerland: You Raise Me Up Turkey: Against All Odds Ukraine: When You Tell Me That You Love Me UK: You Raise Me Up NORTH AMERICA Antigua and Barbuda: Against All Odds Bahamas: Against All Odds Barbados: Uptown Girl Belize: I'll See You Again Canada: You Raise Me Up Costa Rica: Uptown Girl Dominican Republic: Swear It Again El Salvador: Uptown Girl Guatemala: Fool Again Honduras: Uptown Girl Mexico: Fool Again Nicaragua: Against All Odds Panama: Flying Without Wings Trinidad and Tobago: You Raise Me Up USA: Safe SOUTH AMERICA Argentina: Uptown Girl Bermuda: Against All Odds Bolivia: The Reason Brazil: Against All Odds British Virgin Islands: I Have A Dream Cayman Islands: My Love Chile: Fool Again Colombia: Fool Again Ecuador: Uptown Girl Paraguay: If I Let You Go Peru: Uptown Girl Venezuela: Flying Without Wings Total song count for AFRICA, ASIA, AUSTRALASIA, EUROPE, NORTH AMERICA and SOUTH AMERICA. Most popular songs by continents: AFRICA: You Raise Me Up ASIA: You Raise Me Up AUSTRALASIA: You Raise Me Up EUROPE: You Raise Me Up NORTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl SOUTH AMERICA: Uptown Girl This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Oct 4 2018, 01:04 PM |
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Dec 24 2017, 04:18 PM
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Take That are better in my opinion, they have had a greater variety in terms of style of songs, from dance pop, 'It Only Takes A Minute' to Coldplay style pop rock, 'Said it All' to ballads, 'A Million Love Songs'.
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Mar 18 2018, 04:39 PM
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Louis Walsh the Westlife manager said a few months ago that a reunion would be the four of them and under no circumstances would Brian McFadden be a part of it despite his enthusiasm. Walsh explained the reason was they had 7 years after he left the band in 2004 and they are just better off all round as a four piece.
Granted they did have 7 extra years afterwards but their mammoth success Globally (1999 - 2002) was with Brian in the group and that can't be dismissed just for Walsh's personal reasons. It seems Walsh is still angered by McFadden as he felt the very real possibility of the band splitting soon after his departure. This didn't happen as we know but their sales never recovered and anyhow were already going down in 2003 with the 'Turnaround' album. I would love to see a full reunion Westlife if it does happen for their fans as this is how they are remembered most. I think it's a Take That situation when they went with a different manager for the reunion to keep the possibility of Robbie returning in the mix. Had they stayed with Nigel I doubt highly Robbie would have returned and Jason may have been traded in for Shayne Ward (!) as was Nigels plan for a reunion. I don't see Westlife either going with a new manager for a reunion other than Walsh as they wouldn't be able to function without him or Simon Cowell. I also don't see them standing up strongly for anything they want to do based on pattern of their initial career including having Brian back if they wanted it so. Their fans may never see a full reunion with Brian which would be a shame especially as in recent years he appears a lot more likable now with his television career and more rounded personality. This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Mar 18 2018, 04:43 PM |
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Mar 18 2018, 11:13 PM
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I think we will see a reunion, perhaps for 10 years since the greatest hits or something. Although, I expect it to go a bit like the Boyzone comeback.
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Mar 19 2018, 08:28 PM
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I was thinking the same thing as the only two boybands to have achieved commercial success since reforming in the UK were Take That and to a much lesser extent Boyzone. I think Westlife would fall between the two perhaps.
The other boybands who have tried Blue, Let Loose, 911, Five, Busted, East 17, A1, Blazin' Squad, Bros and Damage haven't had any new commercial success or certifications for their recent output just low sales. edit: Maybe I was being harsh judging reunions on any certifications obtained so the list of reformed boybands who have had a top 20 reunion record with either albums/singles are: In brackets position in top 20 best selling boybands in UK history Take That, (1) Boyzone, (4) Blue, (9) Busted (13) The ones who haven't had new studio album/single go top 20 or even chart highly/at all since reforming are: Let Loose, 911, East 17, (11) A1 Boybands who reformed but stuck to just low selling tours and no new reunion records are: Five, (10) Bros, (16) Damage, Blazin' Squad This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Mar 20 2018, 06:25 PM |
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Sep 24 2018, 09:13 AM
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With the Westlife 4 man version reunion imminent, let's refresh the state of play and UK sales between the two biggest boybands in British music history.
TT: 13.8 mil albums / 10.2 mil singles = 24 million Westlife: 12 mil albums / 7.2 mil singles = 19.2 million 4.8 million in total more records sold by TT. Can they be caught? Take That had to overcome far more records than that from 2005 and overtook WL UK sales in 2009 some four years of huge success later. They have refused Brian offer to reform as a five and because of that their old label Syco and Simon Cowell has said he won't be apart of the reunion, having wanted the full 5 or nothing. They have signed with Universal instead. Maybe they are hoping to do a Take That? Continue as a four then in time bring Brian onboard? Thoughts? This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Nov 30 2018, 07:56 PM |
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Sep 24 2018, 03:25 PM
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I'm up for Westlife back, really like them!
I wouldn't be surprised if 1D do a similar thing to Take That in a few years, but I don't think Harry will join them. |
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Sep 25 2018, 03:21 PM
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Sales of both acts (albums/singles) per decade in the UK:
90's Take That: 8,271,000 Westlife: 2,202,814 00's Westlife: 14,796,335 Take That: 9,972,119 10's Take That: 5,443,261 Westlife: 978,237 As shown it really can't be underestimated how much of a force Westlife truly were in the 00's in British sales. Blue (2002) and Busted (2003 & 2004) both had better sales for those calendar years, putting Westlife down to runner up spot. However neither group lasted nor completely took Westlife out completely. In 2004 they were third biggest behind Busted and McFly and again in 2009 behind TT and JLS. This was their lowest ranks until going further down in their departure year. Westlife were the only one out of the two compared groups to break 10 million sales for a decade, though Take That were very close in the 00's to doing this also. Year on year sales it really is obvious to see that Take That return at first slightly then drastically tumbled Westlife huge sales to respectable numbers, however no longer blockbusting. JLS mainly are to be mentioned as well in affecting Westlife sales. When Westlife split up they were the fifth biggest selling boyband behind Take That, JLS, The Wanted and One Direction, who outsold them with their huge debut single alone. Westlife were the fifth biggest on departure and I suppose the writing was on the wall back then. The 2010's was their downfall with huge new rival younger boybands and an existing massive man band, and biggest of them all, ultimately placed them out of the market. Number 1's (singles/abums) in UK per decade 90's Take That: 11 Westlife: 4 00's Westlife: 17 Take That: 5 10's Take That: 3 Westlife: 0 Total Combined: Westlife: 21 Take That: 19 This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Sep 26 2018, 05:38 PM |
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Sep 25 2018, 10:36 PM
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It’s nice that they’ve come back, albeit always inevitable given how none of them had a successful solo outing.
I fear they’ll more likely do a Boyzone than a Take That. They’ll probably get a top 5 album, but unsure if there’s anything there that’ll keep attention and convert new fans. Perhaps a 5 piece would have helped, considering they’ve been 4 for a large part of their career. In fact, when you think about it, TT have only been a 5 piece for 9 years of their 30 in the business! |
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Sep 26 2018, 06:56 AM
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I agree. Singles wise I'd be surprised if anything big happens on that front or many sales acquired. Album may sneak #1 but I don't think it'll be a huge seller.
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Sep 26 2018, 07:40 AM
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Do we know when the album is released? Will it go up against TT?
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Sep 26 2018, 07:54 AM
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That's a good point, I didn't think about that. I know this sounds tribal but I really hope Westlife don't do to TT what TT return did to them! If they do I'm sure it'll be interesting.
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Oct 3 2018, 07:42 AM
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I don't think Westlife have something to be jealous of from Take That.. Musically Take that might be better, vocally Westlife are superior comfortably.
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Oct 3 2018, 11:21 AM
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I completely agree and think you may be right ... if this was 1999 and comparing.
During Take That absent years I agreed and thought Westlife were collectively better singers, though not in songs or overall musicality. However, since the reunion as a collective I'm inclined to say Take That overall are vocally better than Westlife. Gary and Robbie were always strong vocalists with character. Mark/Howard could sing to a certain style to fit their voices. Jason played guitar or danced. Now Gary and Robbie are the same still, Mark has more versatility and Howard is stronger vocally and all are consistently strong. Jason is like Mark and Howard in the 90's he has a great tone and can sing a song best suited to his abilities i.e Wooden Boat though isn't as versatile vocally as the other four. Westlife have two amazing singers for the style they sang, fact. Shane and Mark are arguably better in this slow style, though Gary and Robbie are able to suit different musical styles/genres. Brian was also a good singer. Kian is okay though not great and Nicky from the few album tracks lines I've heard can't really sing. As it stands today, man for man. I feel Take That vocally have overtaken Westlife, this is just my opinion however. This post has been edited by nirvanamusic: Oct 3 2018, 11:25 AM |
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Oct 3 2018, 06:26 PM
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Mark from Westlife i would say is the best vocally from all put together.
All of Westlife are good singers as are all Take That, Jason is likely the weakest singer among them all. As for overall talent, Westlife fall down greatly against Take That. |
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