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Mikal
post Dec 14 2012, 08:58 PM
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Truly horrendous news;

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Twenty children and six adults have been killed in a shooting attack at a primary school in the US state of Connecticut, police say.

Police Lt Paul Vance said the gunman was also dead, but gave no cause.

US media identified the gunman, who died at Sandy Hook Elementary School, Newtown, as Ryan Lanza, 24, said to be from New Jersey.

The killings make Newtown the second-worst US shooting, after 32 died at Virginia Tech in 2007.

Friday's shooting is the third major gun attack in the US in 2012.

In July an attacker killed 12 people at a premiere of a Batman film in Aurora, Colorado. In August six people died at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Just this week two people died in a shooting at a shopping mall in the state of Oregon.

At the White House, an emotional President Barack Obama cited those incidents as he called for "meaningful action... regardless of politics".

"Our hearts are broken today, for their parents, grandparents, sisters and brothers of these children, and for the families of the adults who were lost."

Mr Obama offered condolences to the families of survivors too, saying "their children's innocence has been torn away from them too early, and there are no words that will ease their pain".

He wiped tears from his eyes as he spoke of the "overwhelming grief" at the loss of life.

Children's 'eyes covered'

Connecticut Governor Dannel Malloy is meeting the families of the victims, a spokesman said, and is expected to visit the school later in the day. He is expected to make a statement shortly.


Sandy Hook School - described by correspondents as a highly rated school has more than 600 students in classes from Kindergarten to 4th Grade - spanning the ages five to 10.

Police arrived at the school soon after 09:40 local time (14:40 GMT), answering reports that a gunman was in the school's main office and one person had "numerous gunshot wounds".

Scores of officers at the scene carried out a full search of the site. Classes were cancelled as the situation developed.

Schools across the district were immediately on lock-down as a preventive measure, officials said.

According to US reports, the gunman's mother was a teacher found among the dead at the school. The Associated Press said his brother was being held by police.

The attacker was dressed in black and wearing a bullet-proof vest during the attack, and reportedly used a .223-calibre rifle. Other weapons are also said to have been recovered.

With the death toll rising, it emerged that one entire classroom of students may remain unaccounted for, local sources reported.

Three other people were taken to hospital and are reported to be in "very serious condition", Danbury Mayor Mark Boughton told CNN.

One witness speaking to CNN said that shots were heard coming from the hall. There "must have been 100 rounds" fired, she told the channel.

Local media have reported that firefighters instructed children to close their eyes and run past the school's office as they exited the building.

Other sources suggest that some of the shots were fired in a school classroom.

There were early unconfirmed reports of two shooters, but no further details of a second gunman mentioned by police.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20730717

WHEN will they sort out the gun laws?!
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:08 PM
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This is shocking. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families. sad.gif Maybe this will make people in authority wake up and realise that gun laws should be sorted out across America.
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:39 PM
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I doubt the gun laws will ever be sorted across America unless someone very important died because of them. That being said the fact this is children is likely to really effect the campaigners who are anti-guns in America, and maybe even some of those that are pro-guns. It's sad and horrible, so close to Christmas too.

I watched the BBCnews earlier and on one of the interviews, a woman said you need to be known to get through the gates. I guess this could suggest the gunman was known by people or connected to the school. Either way something is very fishy about the situation.
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Dec 14 2012, 09:39 PM) *
I doubt the gun laws will ever be sorted across America unless someone very important died because of them. That being said the fact this is children is likely to really effect the campaigners who are anti-guns in America, and maybe even some of those that are pro-guns. It's sad and horrible, so close to Christmas too.

I watched the BBCnews earlier and on one of the interviews, a woman said you need to be known to get through the gates. I guess this could suggest the gunman was known by people or connected to the school. Either way something is very fishy about the situation.


It was one of the teachers' sons according to the report, so he did have some connection with the school.

It is really, really sad that people can be as sick-minded as this. No words.
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:56 PM
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Its sad I saw it on the news earlier. Gun laws will never be restricted though
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post Dec 14 2012, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(Michael Bubré @ Dec 14 2012, 09:52 PM) *
It is really, really sad that people can be as sick-minded as this. No words.


I don't know if it's morally right to say that. Some people have psychological issues and don't know any better. I'm not trying to condone the actions at all, I'm just attempting to explain the actions.

That post probably sounds awful but I can't help feeling sorry for everyone in this situation.


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Mikal
post Dec 14 2012, 10:00 PM
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QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 09:57 PM) *
I don't know if it's morally right to say that. Some people have psychological issues and don't know any better. I'm not trying to condone the actions at all, I'm just attempting to explain the actions.

That post probably sounds awful but I can't help feeling sorry for everyone in this situation.


I don't agree, being a bit crazy and having suicidal thoughts or similar is one thing, to open fire in a classroom of children really is unexplainable.
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:02 PM
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QUOTE(Mikal @ Dec 14 2012, 10:00 PM) *
I don't agree, being a bit crazy and having suicidal thoughts or similar is one thing, to open fire in a classroom of children really is unexplainable.


I know, but I don't understand why someone would randomly shoot children for the fun of it. I believe that there must be some psychological issues lying beneath most killers.
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 10:02 PM) *
I know, but I don't understand why someone would randomly shoot children for the fun of it. I believe that there must be some psychological issues lying beneath most killers.


I'm sure there will be, but we will never understand I guess. I literally have no words on this, I just can't get my head round why anybody would do this to innocent children?!
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 14 2012, 10:02 PM) *
I know, but I don't understand why someone would randomly shoot children for the fun of it. I believe that there must be some psychological issues lying beneath most killers.


Yeah there normally is. I think mass murders are always fascinating to read up about because of what drove them to do it. Very rarely is it just a common urge. There's usually something behind it, be it childhood/parent issues, mental issues etc. I often think people like this so it because they want to be remembered. It doesn't excuse it, and especially not to young children. Even the survivors of this massacre will be scarred for the rest of their lives, which is horrible considering their age.
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:32 PM
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Obama's statement about the shootings: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20735204

From Twitter: "President Obama wiping away tears in press conference. Today he wasn't a politician, a democrat, or a president. Today: He was a Dad."
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post Dec 14 2012, 10:54 PM
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So sickening. Obama's speech seems to suggest that the laws will be considered but its futile because they go through this after every disaster.

It's also too late now for the victims but they can hopefully prevent any future massacres.

It was his mothers kindergarten class that he targeted no.gif
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post Dec 15 2012, 12:05 AM
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QUOTE(Mikal @ Dec 14 2012, 10:00 PM) *
I don't agree, being a bit crazy and having suicidal thoughts or similar is one thing, to open fire in a classroom of children really is unexplainable.


When someone is very very angry with the world they don't care about whom they kill or their ages. If guns were freely available here then there'd be more of these shootings in the UK.


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post Dec 15 2012, 12:50 AM
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QUOTE(Common Sense @ Dec 15 2012, 12:05 AM) *
When someone is very very angry with the world they don't care about whom they kill or their ages. If guns were freely available here then there'd be more of these shootings in the UK.


The laws in the UK were less apprehensive to guns in the UK 20-30 years ago, but the massacres we had in the UK with handguns and private guns led to much stricter laws about shooting guns. Hence there has only been one case off the top of my head (the Cumbrian shootings) in the UK where a massacre took place. I think I read earlier that since Columbine there have been over 20 incidents of gun massacres in the US since then. This was compared to 14 cases across the rest of the world. I think that information, even if it is not entirely correct, speaks for itself.
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post Dec 15 2012, 12:59 AM
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This is absolutely terrible, even more worse considering it's children as well. People these days are just mental... god bless our society. drama.gif
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post Dec 15 2012, 01:44 AM
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I just feel so sad. I currently teach a Year 1 class, the same age as the youngest victims. I can't believe so many young children have gone just like that. I feel so much for the parents of the victims and cannot imagine the grief, anger and despair they are going through. My condolences to them all.

This is just unbelievable. Thank goodness we have tighter gun laws here.
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post Dec 15 2012, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE(Rooney @ Dec 15 2012, 12:50 AM) *
Hence there has only been one case off the top of my head (the Cumbrian shootings) in the UK where a massacre took place.


What about the Dunblane massacre in 1996?

That massacre was very similar to this one.
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post Dec 15 2012, 10:30 AM
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QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 15 2012, 07:44 AM) *
What about the Dunblane massacre in 1996?

That massacre was very similar to this one.

Which means we have had one incident in a school in the last 20 years whereas in America.. how many? Too many.

Something should be done.
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post Dec 15 2012, 11:31 AM
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QUOTE(★ G R I E F ★ @ Dec 15 2012, 08:44 AM) *
What about the Dunblane massacre in 1996?

That massacre was very similar to this one.

Gun laws were changed after that. A few gun fans complained it was an over-reaction, but the general public put the welfare of innocent members of the public above the right of a person to join a gun club and use a hand-gun there. In the time that has passed, many people who were initially against the law change have accepted it was the right thing.

It's still possible to commit gun crime, but it's much harder for people to legally acquire guns. Remember, most of these mass killings are not gang warfare amongst criminals. It seems to be previously law abiding citizens who had access to guns, who then used them once they'd flipped.


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post Dec 15 2012, 12:27 PM
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I think that people who live in the countryside still use guns for shooting and beating though, so not everything has changed in Britain.
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