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post Sep 18 2019, 10:23 PM
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Another problem with the LDs positioning on Brexit is the hypocrisy that they oppose another referendum on Scottish independence only for Brexit!?
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post Sep 19 2019, 04:46 AM
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QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 18 2019, 11:27 AM) *
The biased disgusting one party state media id constantly on the attack. Constant brainwashing.


QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 18 2019, 11:28 AM) *
And they basically did win outright last time. The vile disco citizens party was buoyed by Brexshit. Without that, it woulf have been destroyed.


Change the record, FFS.

Soon people will be complaining you're boring them even more than me over Brexit... wink.gif
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post Sep 19 2019, 07:07 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 18 2019, 11:23 PM) *
Another problem with the LDs positioning on Brexit is the hypocrisy that they oppose another referendum on Scottish independence only for Brexit!?

There is a difference between maintaining the status quo (Scotland as part of the UK) and a major constitutional change (leaving the EU). If we do leave, my own view is that Scotland should be allowed another referendum as there would have been a major change since the last one. Similarly, there will have been a major change since the EU referendum - either an actual deal rather than an ill-defined concept or a recognition of the consequences of leaving without a deal.
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post Sep 19 2019, 07:14 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 19 2019, 05:46 AM) *
Change the record, FFS.

Soon people will be complaining you're boring them even more than me over Brexit... wink.gif


He desperately want to be poster of the week so is whoring all over the forum. nono.gif
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post Sep 19 2019, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 19 2019, 05:46 AM) *
Change the record, FFS.

Soon people will be complaining you're boring them even more than me over Brexit... wink.gif


Comments on the BBTory deflecting from Bojo the Bloat being torpeoed in a hospital? The establishment protects the establishment.
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post Sep 19 2019, 01:46 PM
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/s...xit-is-arrogant

The Greens are annoyed at the stance too.
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post Sep 19 2019, 02:49 PM
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It's no different from Tories anf Brexshit. You can interpret a 50 50 split referendum based on lies and univorns however you want! If it's enough for a hard brexshit, it's enough for revoke and hard remain.
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post Sep 19 2019, 06:11 PM
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Exactly so the arguement is that the LDs have moved to the extreme position the tories are in the opposite direction and have abandoned the middle ground.

Even the Greens as above aren't happy so are you a yellow Tory now Algernon? 😝
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post Sep 20 2019, 04:29 AM
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QUOTE(Algernon Monqueef @ Sep 19 2019, 03:49 PM) *
It's no different from Tories anf Brexshit. You can interpret a 50 50 split referendum based on lies and univorns however you want! If it's enough for a hard brexshit, it's enough for revoke and hard remain.


WTF is a 'univorn'? unsure.gif


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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 18 2019, 11:23 PM) *
Another problem with the LDs positioning on Brexit is the hypocrisy that they oppose another referendum on Scottish independence only for Brexit!?

Democracy ended in 2014 for Scotland as far as Unionists are concerned. Have you seen her try and justify her stance under light light light questioning? It was excruciating.

QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Sep 19 2019, 08:07 AM) *
There is a difference between maintaining the status quo (Scotland as part of the UK) and a major constitutional change (leaving the EU). If we do leave, my own view is that Scotland should be allowed another referendum as there would have been a major change since the last one. Similarly, there will have been a major change since the EU referendum - either an actual deal rather than an ill-defined concept or a recognition of the consequences of leaving without a deal.

Allowed?

If there’s a referendum or not that’s for the people of Scotland to decide via a Holyrood election, not for England to “allow”. In 2016 the people did decide at Holyrood to support parties that are for indyref2. That mandate from the Scottish people is only thing that matters. Hardly a “union of equals” if we need permission to ask to leave it. Bar is set so much higher for Scotland than any of England’s other colonial properties. Wonder why that would be? *looks knowingly in the direction of Aberdeen*
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QUOTE(5 Silas Frøkner @ Sep 20 2019, 07:00 AM) *
If there’s a referendum or not that’s for the people of Scotland to decide via a Holyrood election, not for England to “allow”. In 2016 the people did decide at Holyrood to support parties that are for indyref2. That mandate from the Scottish people is only thing that matters. Hardly a “union of equals” if we need permission to ask to leave it. Bar is set so much higher for Scotland than any of England’s other colonial properties. Wonder why that would be? *looks knowingly in the direction of Aberdeen*


I can't believe some people claim Scots have a chip on their shoulders... teresa.gif
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post Sep 20 2019, 06:20 PM
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Hardly a chip the Union has always been an unequal relationship!
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Well maybe don't ignore them all the time, say it's a union of equal, promote people who say the Scottish should never be pm to PM, int he same way GBrown was promoted (and the rscist twat screamed and wailed about that, presumably because he was Scottish), and force thrm out based on a split nation split decision referendum?
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post Sep 21 2019, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 20 2019, 07:20 PM) *
Hardly a chip the Union has always been an unequal relationship!


Would it be any more equal if 5.5 million Scots carried the same weight in parliament as 55m English?

Scots carry a weight at least proportionate to their numbers - that they still demand more is where the 'chip' is.


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post Sep 21 2019, 08:55 AM
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So let's just end this unequal relationship then!
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post Sep 21 2019, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE(Steve201 @ Sep 21 2019, 09:55 AM) *
So let's just end this unequal relationship then!


I have no problem with Scottish independence, but I think it naive for people to simultaneously claim that UK independence from the EU will damage the UK, while Scottish independence will magically make the country a utopia...
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post Sep 21 2019, 09:26 AM
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QUOTE(vidcapper @ Sep 20 2019, 08:53 AM) *
I can't believe some people claim Scots have a chip on their shoulders... teresa.gif

Get in the sea
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post Oct 7 2019, 08:14 PM
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Heidi Allen has FINALLY joined *.*
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post Oct 7 2019, 08:17 PM
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Okay but why did she take so long
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post Oct 7 2019, 08:19 PM
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Just be glad she came through in the end x
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