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Posted by: Brett-Butler 3rd August 2016, 05:36 PM

There doesn't seem to have been a general thread for UKIP a la the ones for the other major parties, but given the recent resignation of Nigel Farage as leader, as well as the fact that the party has now seemingly achieved their main political objective, it seems the right time to make one, complete with the trademark snarky topic title.

The 6 candidates to replace Nigel Farage as leader of the party were announced earlier today. They are -

Jonathan Arnott MEP
Phillip Broughton
Lisa Duffy
Bill Etheridge MEP
Diane James MEP
Elizabeth Jones

Three of them are currently MEPs, one sits as a councilor, whilst the other two don't hold any elected office. Their only MP, Douglas Carswell didn't stand (although he's more than hinted that he's not going to be a UKIP member come the next election). Steven Woolf, who was seen as the front runner, had his application refused as it was received 20 mins too late.

Of the 6 names, the only one I'm familiar with is Diane James, she seems to come across reasonably for a UKIP member when I've seen her on TV, not sure if she'll get the nod though. I'm sure we'll hear from the others a lot over the coming weeks - I'm guessing that the UKIP leadership election is the only leadership contest where making a faux pas makes the membership MORE likely to vote for you.

Of course, the big question is where the future of UKIP lies now that they've achieved their main goal. Are they likely to morph into a more generic working-class nationalist party, or fizzle out? Do they have a hope in heck of matching the 4 million votes they received in 2015?

Discuss at your leisure.

Posted by: Silas 3rd August 2016, 05:39 PM

David Coburn, the party's only elected representative north of the border is probably the most ridiculous loon of a politician north of the border. He blamed the EU for his inability to use a toaster.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 3rd August 2016, 05:41 PM

It will depend entirely on how the exit from the EU is negotiated, if we retain some form of membership of the EAA and migration continues at the levels it has been since the early 2000s then I would assume UKIP will continue to gather strength, at the expense of the working class traditional Labour vote in the north (as well as the Essex and eastern coastal areas that tend to vote Tory). However, should the negotiation make a significant impact on immigration, and with a new and less charismatic leader then I would expect their support to collapse (it has already dropped from 16 to 12 percent after the referendum and no specific policy direction on the exit).

Posted by: popchartfreak 3rd August 2016, 08:04 PM

Yes it all depends on immigration. Everyone shouting joyously expects immigration to stop and all problems to be solved by that.

That isn't going to happen.

There will be MORE problems, not less. The NHS is being quietly privatised and cut back as we speak, wages will be forced lower as there will be low-paid jobs to fill as EU workers don't get in, or else prices will rise due to that and wages generally won't in non-skilled jobs. As the UK is shite at training it's own citizens in much-needed fields, there will continue to be 150,000 - 200,000 immigrants a year even if the EU is totally blocked off. Industry demands it, foreign-owned businesses demand it, investors in the UK demand it.

So, yes, UKIP will still be around until such time as overall affluence returns to the UK. I'd put money on, ooh, 2035 or thereabouts. Prob around the time of the next referendum to apply for EU membership once the old Leavers have popped their clogs.

Posted by: Ethan 3rd August 2016, 08:55 PM

UKIP is done; i’m fully expecting Nigel Farage to re-emerge, within the next 18 months, as the leader of a new populist, anti-establishment, environmentalist, anti-globalist & eurosceptic party along the lines of Italy’s Five Star Movement, backed by Banks and Murdoch, complete with asinine social media interaction influencing policy~

Posted by: Brett-Butler 12th August 2016, 10:20 PM

Hello, I'm Mr Egaraf, and I come from... some place far away. Yes, that will do. Anyway, I say we make Nigel Farage leader of UKIP again.

Paul Nuttall - I like the way Egaraf thinks!

Posted by: popchartfreak 25th August 2016, 09:55 PM

And so the man who frothed at the mouth about Obama offering a sane, very short, statement about the dangers of Brexit has travelled over to the USA to campaign on behalf of a political candidate, and thus interfere in the politics of a foreign country.

What. A. Massive. f***ing. Hypocrite.

Meanwhile the party he has dumped is as headless as a chicken.

Still, at least Trumpfart & Fartage can reminisce together about the days they used to idolise Hitler. These days they have to lie about it. The Lying f***ers both showed more than a passing enthusiasm in Adolph, according to ex-wives, former teachers and schoolmates.

Just saying....

Posted by: Suedehead2 27th August 2016, 08:10 PM

And here is Hillary Clinton's response...

Posted by: popchartfreak 27th August 2016, 10:27 PM

Well good to see foreign politicians able to tell it like it is unlike the uk media who either support farage or are too frightened to be critical. Democracy and fairness took the whole of human history to turn up in any modern sense of the meaning, and being laissez faire about it is a sure way to lose it in the bat of an eye. Greedy and bitter people are always happy to believe any flim flam man that comes along....because they are basically suckers.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 16th September 2016, 12:43 PM

As expected, Diane James has been named the new leader of UKIP.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 16th September 2016, 01:27 PM

We're going to be the last relevant party to have a full-time female leader. Christ.

Posted by: Qassändra 16th September 2016, 01:36 PM

Even at our lowest, still able to expend the last remains of our energy to shade the Lib Dems.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 16th September 2016, 03:07 PM

Always.

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th September 2016, 03:54 PM

The Lib Dems don't even have a female MP at the moment. OTOH, it may be a while before they're looking for a new leader, so there could be a woman in the next contest.

Posted by: popchartfreak 17th September 2016, 04:34 PM

And even at their lowest the Libdem supporters wouldn't feel the need to brick their female mps call them dykes and traitors or have their colleagues unaware they were undergoing cancer treatment.

Tch sooo wishy washy libdems!

Posted by: Soy Adrián 17th September 2016, 11:14 PM

Bit difficult when they're aren't any

Posted by: Danny 18th September 2016, 02:44 PM

I find it ironic that so many people who constantly claim Labour should be "in touch with the public's concerns", then go on and on about how it's essential to get a female party leader, even though that's approximately #578 on the public's list of reasons not to vote Labour.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 18th September 2016, 03:25 PM

Meanwhile, new UKIP leader Diane James fails the "don't compare yourself to Putin" test -



So her ideal politician would be a combination of Thatcher, Churchill & Putin. So basically, Trump.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 18th September 2016, 03:57 PM

You do realise we're not a populist party, right?

Posted by: Qassändra 18th September 2016, 04:53 PM

If you ask the question directly, sure, because male-dominated commentary has persistently denigrated having more women in politics for the sake of it as irrelevant and so few people would agree with the proposition in plain writing of 'a woman over a man and change nothing else', without recognising that most women in practice fundamentally do politics and project themselves in a subtly different way.

Try reading Talking To A Brick Wall - in practice, it would probably have much more effect than most people (typically men) carp that it wouldn't. Having a woman as the lead representative of your party, without fail, captures the attention of half the population and makes them more likely to listen than they otherwise would, if only because someone of their gender being leader is not a norm most of them are used to. They're used to politics being self-important men in suits - even today, plenty of the older ones still instinctively think of politics as 'something the husband deals with' or 'not for them'.

In any case, most people in the Labour Party bemoaning the embarrassment that in 100 years we still have not had a single female leader despite having had plenty of female candidates better than most that did become leader are not doing so on the basis that we 'need to show we're in touch with the public'. They're doing so because it's a basic moral failing of the party that a female candidate for the leadership has never once finished above a male candidate for the leadership, let alone won. After a while, that stops being a coincidence and starts becoming a symbol of a party looking for excuses to not elect women.

Posted by: Danny 18th September 2016, 06:12 PM

This goes back to the point I made in our arguments about the EU. The "moderates" still try to claim purity and morality should trump pragmatism on the issues THEY personally care about, while at the same time preaching how "getting into power" is the only thing that matters when it's issues they don't personally care about. It's the height of hypocrisy.

As far as I'm concerned, Labour not fighting cuts to incomes of the poorest people in the country, and generally not fighting against an economic system that entrenches inequality, is a much bigger "moral failing" than not giving an already privileged and middle-class woman a good position for herself.

Posted by: Qassändra 18th September 2016, 06:42 PM

The difference being that this isn't at all an issue that makes Labour less electable or contributes to concerns people have about Labour that would stop them voting for the party, so it's not really an accurate analogy. And it's the height of tunnel vision to reduce representation's benefits to just one person.

Posted by: Danny 18th September 2016, 07:21 PM

How would the average woman benefit simply by Yvette Cooper being Labour leader, with all else being equal? How did the average woman benefit from Thatcher being PM?

Atleast Harriet Harman (who after all did manage to win an election with the supposedly "sexist" Labour electorate, even despite Alan Johnson having all the institutional advantages) campaigned for concrete things that affect the woman on the street (childcare, pay gap, etc.). Whether one agrees with her or not, atleast her political ethos was something more substantial and mature (and less self-centred) than "a woman should be in a leadership position" as an argument in itself.

Posted by: popchartfreak 18th September 2016, 09:07 PM

Fabulous. I look forward to UKIP pursuing Churchill's dream of a united and safe Europe, Thatcher's support of Europe and Putin's err....

So UKIP wants to be Putin basically. Crooks.

(Unless she means the insurance dog, oh YESSSS!)

Posted by: Soy Adrián 19th September 2016, 10:37 AM

I'm quite impressed by how you can hijack so many threads with this.

Posted by: Qassändra 19th September 2016, 12:58 PM

It's a false comparison as Thatcher actively sought to play down her gender as something that in any way influenced her politics (beyond the occasional riff on how knowing the cost of Flora meant she knew how a budget hit a household etc). I think the average woman would benefit far more from a woman being Labour leader than otherwise as they're likely to be more mindful of avoiding cuts that hit families, childcare etc. As, indeed, Yvette referenced during her leadership campaign.

Posted by: Danny 19th September 2016, 08:58 PM

Sorry, wasn't it you who (implicitly) brought Labour into this thread?:

Posted by: Brett-Butler 4th October 2016, 09:13 PM

Diane James is set to stand down as leader of UKIP after only 18 days in charge. That must be one of the shortest official premierships of a UK political party with representation ever (unless someone can think of another one?). That means another leadership contest in the offing, Steven Woolf has been seen re-downloading Windows 7 so he doesn't have another computer failure cause his application to be received late.

Posted by: Suedehead2 4th October 2016, 10:11 PM

It has been confirmed that Diane James is stepping down, so it is time to reflect on her achievements as leader. OK, we've done that, so we can turn our attention to which nonentity will replace her.

Posted by: Danny 4th October 2016, 11:50 PM

She's not even the shortest-serving UKIP leader.

Posted by: Qassändra 5th October 2016, 09:57 AM

I don't know if it's reeeeeeeally fair to count an acting leader!

Posted by: Common Sense 6th October 2016, 08:59 AM

Farage is still leader apparently. He says James' election as leader wasn't registered with the Electoral Commission so she wasn't really legally the leader at all! As he said, you couldn't make it up.

Posted by: Harve 6th October 2016, 01:06 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuFbVLwWcAAeHQ9.jpg

I won't embed it as it's a little brutal. But what the f*** is happening with UKIP.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/ukip-leadership-favourite-steven-woolfe--in-serious-condition-af/

Posted by: popchartfreak 6th October 2016, 04:01 PM

Ukip the party with no reason to exist now the Tories are adopting their anti European policy and nothing else coherent to stay together on. Goodbye won't miss you.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 7th October 2016, 11:20 AM

And EVERY SINGLE PAPER has plastered that image on their front page, including The Guardian, who I never expected to stoop to that. I'm pretty livid to see all of them put sales/their agenda over that man's dignity.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 9th October 2016, 10:08 PM

"That's how easy it is".

Posted by: Brett-Butler 17th October 2016, 06:42 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37682828, and will now sit as an independent MEP ib the EU Parliament until 2019. He would have been a good leader to see the UKIP past its post-Brexit identity crisis, and to lead them in the possibility of taking seats from Labour in the north, but his acrimonious departure will likely leave the party in disarray.

Posted by: Silas 17th October 2016, 06:43 PM

Honestly you couldn't make 2016 up if you tried

Posted by: Qassändra 17th October 2016, 07:09 PM

Paul Nuttall would be dangerous.

Posted by: Suedehead2 17th October 2016, 07:13 PM

Ah yes, Farage without the charm.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 17th October 2016, 07:25 PM

Dangerous as in he would appeal to voters in the north and eat away at Labour's vote, or dangerous in relation to his political views?

Posted by: Doctor Blind 17th October 2016, 07:28 PM

Posted by: Qassändra 17th October 2016, 08:05 PM

But extra Northern working class appeal.

Posted by: Qassändra 17th October 2016, 08:05 PM

Well, both.

Posted by: Silas 18th October 2016, 11:53 AM

Coburn is considering running. Which would be catastrophic for the country

Posted by: popchartfreak 18th November 2016, 08:36 PM

Meanwhile, bankrupt millionaire is being investigated by the EU for diverting funds illegally to fund his lies in the referendum.

I can say "lies" because he admitted the NHS 350m lies were a lie within hours of the result. That's a huge whopping lie as we are now watching the NHS be dismantled and underfunded and privatised on a weekly basis. That's within 6 months and without having even triggered article 50. He has nothing to say on the topic of the NHS at all these days. Funny that.

I hope the lying failed businessman gets taken to court and convicted.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-victimised-eu-spending_uk_582dde8fe4b0c6c8bc15043b?

Posted by: Silas 18th November 2016, 09:53 PM

That Farage creature has always being a lying hypocritical cuntsack. Will enjoy watching the EU throw the book at him. Surprised they didn't years ago for his lack of attendance. Or at least make UKIPs funding conditional on attendance without telling them and then watching them suffer when they go bankrupt.


The purest irony here is that sans this EU funding UKIP would quite literally go bankrupt this evening. Not even tomorrow, they wouldn't have enough cash to make it to the other side of midnight in just 2 hours time.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 21st November 2016, 05:55 PM

Ex-leader Diane James has left Ukip, and will continue as an indie-MEP until Brexit happens.

Ukip are in disarray - given events in the world and the state of other parties, they should have been in a good position to capitalise on this and build their support even more, even now that their main goal has been achieved, but it looks like the party is tearing itself apart. Whether a new leader can change things remains to be seen.

Posted by: popchartfreak 22nd November 2016, 02:02 PM

Nigel Farage May/June 2016: ([paraphrase) "How dare the President of the USA stick his nose into British business!" (when Obama gave advice on Brexit in the mildest briefest terms)

Nigel Farage Nov 2016: (paraphrase) "How dare the the British Government not listen to the President Of The United States sticking his nose into British business!!" (when Trump wants Farage to be British ambassador and he gets a cushy job out of it, without even having to be elected or appointed)

What a massive hypocrite, eh, everyone....?

Posted by: Suedehead2 25th November 2016, 02:32 PM

I think we should offer Trump a deal. Farage can be our ambassador to the USA as long as they appoint film director Michael Moore as their ambassador to the UK. Seems fair.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 25th November 2016, 03:46 PM

I daresay that many American conservatives would relish the opportunity to rid America of Michael Moore for months on end, so everyone wins.

Posted by: Suedehead2 28th November 2016, 12:21 PM

Paul Nutjob Nuttall is this week's leader.

Posted by: popchartfreak 28th November 2016, 09:21 PM

UKIP. Nut All. It's a bit of a gift for the next 4 years really.....

PS he is his name. He thinks getting rid of the NHS is a vote winner.....

http://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/11/28/the-extreme-right-wing-views-of-new-ukip-leader-paul-nuttall

Posted by: Doctor Blind 28th November 2016, 10:11 PM

I think Paul Nuttall should stay in Liverpool and concentrate on making Liverpool prosperous instead of coming over here and taking the job of other perfectly capable honest working ENGLISH people to become UKIP leader.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 25th March 2017, 04:19 PM

Ukip's only MP, Douglas Carswell, has resigned the party whip, and will sit as an independent MP for the remainder of parliament, leaving Ukip unrepresented in the House of Commons.

If the council elections go as catastrophically bad as people are expecting, then Ukip as a force could be buried by the end of the year. They've got no representation in parliament, they are effectively lame ducks in the EU, and following the council elections, they might not have much of a local presence either. The only place where they'll still have any influence at all will be in the ruddy Welsh parliament, which for a party that are decried as being "little Englanders", is a delightful little irony indeed.

Posted by: Brett-Ocat 6th April 2017, 05:09 PM

And Mark Reckless, former MP & member of the Welsh Assembly, a man who looks like Fred Dinenage after swallowing a barrel of growth hormones, has now left Ukip to sit as a Conservative (although as I understand it, he hasn't re-joined the Conservative Party).

Posted by: Emperor Silas 7th April 2017, 09:53 AM

f***ing Christ. What chaos. You'd think they'd been utterly humped in the referendum (they should have been) the way they are carrying on, not victorious!

Posted by: Suedehead2 7th April 2017, 10:04 AM

When the communist regimes in eastern Europe fell, the opposition groups often broke up over the following year or two. Their main problem was that they were united by what they opposed rather than what they agreed on. The same thing seems to be happening with UKIP.

Posted by: popchartfreak 7th April 2017, 11:55 AM

Yes, all their flaws in policy and as human beings are all becoming obvious now the Tories have acquired the UKIP throne. Even local Councillors (such as the one UKIP councillor here - yes, shockingly, Bournemouth has the one) are bailing.

rats. sinking ship. as expected.

So who's going to hoover up the loony, sorry, I mean the disenchanted vote next time?

Won't be Labour, pretty sure about that...

Posted by: Emperor Silas 7th April 2017, 12:01 PM

Depends what Farage does with Arron Banks' billions don't it. If he crawls back out the cesspool with a new party then they'd probably capitalise. LibDems might pick up some votes but I guess the ball will be in the Green's court to try and break into the main with a manifesto that is a bit less pie in the sky and a bit more 'this will fix the rampant inequality you're facing'.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 11th August 2017, 07:21 PM

Ukip has more or less become a political non-entity since their failures in this year's General and Local Elections, and it looks like their upcoming leadership election could be the last proverbial nail in their coffin. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40902796 includes Anne Marie Waters, an anti-Islamic, anti-Catholic, ex-Labour Irish lesbian who has links to the English Defense League and is regarded by most watchers as very much on the far right. Given that her views have been branded too extreme, even for Ukip, and that several MEPs from the party have threatened to leave if she was allowed to run, let alone win the thing, by the end of the year Ukip will either a) cease to be, or b) mutate into something incredibly evil.

Almost makes you pine for David Coburn to become leader. Almost.

Posted by: MoistSummerFruit 11th August 2017, 07:34 PM

I hope this last election proved: the North remembers, no matter the vile Tory propaganda rags and BBTory. It is a Labour heartland for a reason, Nuttalls or whoever else.

Posted by: Suedehead2 11th August 2017, 07:36 PM

I think almost every remaining member is standing in the leadership contest. As it is a First Past The Post contest the winning candidate may get a pretty small share of the vote. That could leave a lot of unhappy members.

Posted by: popchartfreak 12th August 2017, 09:56 PM

Ukip is as dead as farages conscience.

As a democratically electable force at any rate.

Hooray!

Posted by: Suedehead2 12th August 2017, 10:30 PM

Farage's conscience has never existed. Sadly, the same cannot be said of UKIP.

Posted by: vidcapper 13th August 2017, 05:41 AM

I would not agree that UKIP have 'failed' - very much the contrary in fact!

They campaigned for, and achieved a vote for Brexit - with *that* done, their purpose has been served, and the reason for their existence has ended. To me, that hardly seems like a failure.

Posted by: popchartfreak 13th August 2017, 08:38 AM

err well that depends on how Brexit turns out, so you are being very premature in your assumption that it will be a happy ending. I suggest they will be seen as a bunch of liars who made promises they couldn't keep and plunged the country into chaos. Let's wait and see what judgement history makes, eh....?

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 13th August 2017, 09:41 AM

They are charlatans, crooks and racists. That they ever got to achieve their aim is a damning indictment of our overly right wing media

Posted by: Brett-Butler 29th September 2017, 05:47 PM

Henry Bolton has been elected the new leader of UKIP. Given that even I've never heard of him, it's fair to say he's not going to make an impact (although I understand he's a former Lib Dem election candidate & ran for the Police & Crime Commissioner role for Ukip, which is the political equivalent of a participation trophy). Ukip will be dead by Christmas under his leadership, which I guess is better than what would have happened if Anne Marie had been elected, which would have led to a resurgence of Ukip, albeit turning it into something really, incredibly nasty and horrific.

Posted by: Suedehead2 29th September 2017, 06:04 PM

You seem to be assuming that this chap will still be leader by Christmas.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 29th September 2017, 07:31 PM

I love that they are having their party conference in Torquay, or TorBADOS as the locals call it. All booked in at Fawlty Towers.

Posted by: vidcapper 30th September 2017, 05:54 AM

1. I've never claimed that Brexit will be a guaranteed success, although many of its opponents are only too willing to make the opposite claim, with no more evidence than I have.

2. As for UKIP achieving their purpose, it is surely undeniable that they have done so, for better or worse.

Posted by: popchartfreak 30th September 2017, 08:00 AM

1. Lots of evidence, none of it looking positive. All those trade deals with the USA and being able to support British industries - these will be the same deals that the USA is hiking 200% taxes on (airplane parts) because they claim unfair competition. Job losses, and we still the EU available to lay some heavy-duty elbowing on our behalf - soon we won't even have that and the USA will be able to lean very heavily on us.

As I keep saying though, happy to hear examples to the contrary in the right thread.

2. Yes, that's true.

3. UKIP and unrelated to the quote. Totally shocked to hear the new leader is an ex-army, ex-policeman. Who couldve predicted?! The bit about being a Libdem candidate though, surely that is fake news! Wishy washy centre-ground one minute, next right-wing. Obviously a man of long-held principles. Given the leaflets reported at the conference comparing gay lifestyle to that of Hitler and the Yorkshire Ripper, can I just say I don't recall either of them caring for ailing parents and UKIP can just go f*** themselves? If anyone is like Hitler......

Posted by: Soy Adrián 30th September 2017, 02:22 PM

There's a surprising number of voters who were Lib Dem up to 2010 and have flirted with UKIP since. A number of council seats in Sheffield have gone from one to the other, sometimes via Labour, and one of the UKIP councillors is an ex Lib Dem.

Coincidentally, the entire group on the council said that they would resign from the party if Anne Marie Waters had won yesterday. There was some speculation that they may join another Europhobic party which is active in the region - which goes by the name of the Social Democratic Party.

Strange world.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 16th December 2017, 11:33 AM

Its been a while but as farage is moaning about his wife leaving him over brexit - perhaps the racism and slagging off people like her was just being unreasonable to married eu citizens living in the uk?

And of being skint - which of us wouldnt be skint on a weekly eu salary and pension of 100k or so? Barely enough to buy a house every month the poor love.

And of fearing being attacked every time he goes out - i had no idea us snowflakes were so easily incited to violence, but live and learn. At least he understands how non whites and gay people feel these days when they go out....

I will however repeat the words of sympathy he gave to the family of murdered jo cox, its only fair:

" "

Talking of historic political nutters, i wish i was this eloquent...

https://mobile.twitter.com/guywalters/status/913299775885365248/photo/1

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th December 2017, 12:19 PM

Perhaps the fact that Farage was shagging his assistant played a part as well.

Posted by: vidsanta 16th December 2017, 12:24 PM

My sarcasm detector just exploded.

How could potential attackers even tell someone was gay? In any case, I suspect you have exaggerated the dangers somewhat - a rather Daily Mail tactic, don't you think?



You put nothing there.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 16th December 2017, 01:28 PM

And I thought the nonchalant response to the election of Ukip's new leader (whose name I can't remember) would have spelled the end for this thread (and Ukip, electorally), but well played Farage, the gift that just keeps giving. Although it is a gift that you'd rather not receive, like credit cards in your name that you never ordered that get sent to your address anyway.

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th December 2017, 01:47 PM

That's the point. He quoted Farage's words of sympathy in full, complete with translations into every European language.

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th December 2017, 01:48 PM

I suspect the average UKIP member can't remember the leader's name either

Posted by: vidsanta 16th December 2017, 03:25 PM

Was he even asked for any?

Posted by: Suedehead2 16th December 2017, 03:53 PM

I'm sure the other party leaders will have issued their statements without waiting to be asked.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 16th December 2017, 04:52 PM

Two men holding hands, for example, would normally give it away?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 16th December 2017, 05:20 PM

1. Then its working very well!
2. How about "Die you f***ing queer" from a bunch of youths in a car who could very easily have run me over as i left a gay bar. If you think im just being a snowflake about it then please write to Farage and tell him to shut up whining about it and be a man and stop being such a snowflake, as presumably its just over reacting and someone telling him to just die you f***ing fascist as they close in on him safe in their car is just having a laugh.

I mean, me, i would condemn it, but feel free to slag off farage for over reacting.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th December 2017, 01:21 PM

I think it's time Jacob Rees-Mogg migrated over to this column. He apparently has 150m stashed away in offshore accounts and if he doesnt get a hard Brexit before 2019 he will be forced by EU legislation to pay taxes on it.

I wonder why he is so keen on a hard Brexit? he does like to disguise it though, with a skinny Victorian whimsy and posh-boy wet-weed cover, and outrageously hypocritical bluster, which is why he comes over as a nutter rather than a real politician. In reality he's a very dangerously extreme one.

Posted by: vidcapper 14th January 2018, 07:18 AM

... given how the like to take UKIP down a peg or two.

http://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/princeharry/partner-of-ukip-leader-suspended-by-party-over-racist-comments-about-meghan-markle-94730

Now this is *real* racism.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 14th January 2018, 09:23 AM

UKIP are finished that's why Farage is trying to make headlines about a second referendum - so he can make himself relevant again like the good old days of 2016.

So, a gold-digging attractive racist falls for an elderly extreme minority UKIPPER for his sparkling personality and good looks isn't much of a news story, more of a tabloid fodder thing, so they can pretend to be morally aghast (having supported UKIP for years).

Shock, horror!

Posted by: vidcapper 14th January 2018, 11:20 AM

I prefer to think in terms of 'having served their purpose' - but if Brexit doesn't go through for any reason, then they would come back.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 14th January 2018, 11:39 AM

Like a really shit Terminator.

Posted by: Suedehead2 14th January 2018, 02:00 PM

Maybe the didn't report it because "Girlfriend of senior UKIP member spouts racist bile" isn't really news, any more than "Sun rises in the morning" is news.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 14th January 2018, 02:24 PM

Odious racists.

Did you see that sad excuse of an apology - "no offence was intended". Oh my god. Only because you thought you were speaking to other racists!

Shameful this party got what 20% in the end?

Posted by: Soy Adrián 14th January 2018, 02:28 PM

Merged with the general UKIP thread so we don't have to look at that ridiculous topic name.

Posted by: vidcapper 14th January 2018, 03:12 PM

How was it more ridiculous than 'Fruitcake & Loony General Thread'

Posted by: Soy Adrián 14th January 2018, 03:26 PM

You're quite right. Fixed that now.

Posted by: vidcapper 14th January 2018, 04:31 PM

Slightly better, but I don't think it's appropriate to single out UKIP in the sub-header, since there are Tory & Labour racists too.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 14th January 2018, 04:34 PM

UKIP exists because of racism.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 14th January 2018, 06:09 PM

It's a UKIP discussion thread though. Those parties have their own discussion threads, where you can discuss anyone who's racist and a member of that party.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 14th January 2018, 07:12 PM

I don't recall the gold-digging partner of the leaders of any other party slagging off forthcoming members of the Royal family because she's black and saying it would ruin them and lead to the first black monarch? (as if it were a bad thing)

I would be very happy for you to "out" any racists in other parties. Or name an MP who's shagging one. I'm guessing Tory....

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 14th January 2018, 07:13 PM

I'd be interested to see the correlation between racist and leave supporting MP

Posted by: Suedehead2 14th January 2018, 07:22 PM

Leaving aside what would need to happen to Bill and his clan first, wouldn't it also be necessary to determine whether Hal was actually a descendant of the queen?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 14th January 2018, 07:26 PM

Have you never seen King Ralph!?

Posted by: Suedehead2 14th January 2018, 11:42 PM

In a word, No.

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 06:45 AM

UKIP was created because of a desire among many of the electorate to leave the EU - a demand that the main parties refused to listen to. Any racism is purely incidental.



I could start with Jared O'Mara, Labour MP for Sheffield Hallam.



Do you consider racism & Leave voting to be inextricably linked, then?

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 06:58 AM

What would you say are the best ways to tackle racism?

Education would be one, but what others can you come up with?

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 07:11 AM

Should stories like this not be reported?

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Home Office worker 'was lynchpin of plot to let illegal migrants stay': Employee is accused of falsifying records that could have seen hundreds benefit

Shamsu Iqbal, 61, allegedly used his position in the Home Office to falsify papers

Investigators identified potential 437 cases of faking documents over five years

Home Office worker helped by Usman, 45, Hussain, 49, and Ali, 47, a court heard

Group changed records to give new identities to people who were in UK illegally

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I'm sure you can guess which paper this was reported in - but does that lessen the seriousness of it?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 15th January 2018, 09:37 AM

Illegal is illegal. Slave labour is slave labour - like the white family convicted of holding mentally ill people for 20 years in horrific conditions, or the Asian coastal workers who drowned, all illegally held. Why do you think any reasonable person would object to those responsible being publicised and convicted?

Some of us are quite capable of telling right from wrong, without political bias.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 15th January 2018, 09:40 AM

1. You are, cough, whitewashing the raison detre of UKIP. Half of them joined to get rid of immigrants, more than leave the EU. If that werent true then there would be no racism. There would be no stories about racists in UKIP.

There are.

2. Technically O' Mara is a homophobe and misogynist. Still a git, but not a racist.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 15th January 2018, 09:43 AM

A photoshoot of the entire Royal family went horrifically wrong, leading to John Goodman being crowned. Fred Flintstone on the throne?

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 09:53 AM

Apologies if I'm wrong, but I didn't see this reported anywhere else but the Mail. Why wouldn't other papers report it?




Re 1. I referred more to the electorate, than UKIP's membership.

2. Surely any form of intolerance (except against Mail readers apparently ) is equally wrong?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 15th January 2018, 09:59 AM

1. So non-racist voters voting for known racists. Very convincing. At the least it shows a willingness to accept racism.

2. change of subject. You made an incorrect statement which Jared O Mara might choose to object to, and which I corrected. You don't have to thank me.

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 10:05 AM

You think we were *happy* at having to vote for a party with even a small proportion of racists? Unfortunately we were forced to, since not one of the mainstream parties supported us leaving the EU.



Then you'll be relieved to hear that I'm not going to.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 15th January 2018, 10:25 AM

At that point you might have considered that it wasn't really worth the obsession with leaving the EU.

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 10:50 AM

So we should have dropped an issue that we believed was quintessential to Britain's future?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 15th January 2018, 10:55 AM

Nothing stopping you or anyone else starting a non-racist purely political Leave EU party with a clear cohesive plan as to how it would go, be negotiated, and the resultant expected benefits would arise. UKIP certainly had none of those things cos they have just argues amongst themselves exposing it as just a Farage Cult Of Personality bereft of actual concrete ideas.

Meanwhile the Government post-Brexit deals achieved:

1. Selling arms to military dictatorships.

2. That is all.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 15th January 2018, 11:30 AM

The SNP being a good example of a party whose raison d'etre is separatism from something, but manage fairly well not to be racist.

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 02:37 PM

Only because the English are the *same* race as them...

Posted by: Suedehead2 15th January 2018, 02:54 PM

A number of the stories contain the words "a court heard" or "it is alleged". In other words, they were reporting ongoing court cases. Perhaps the other papers think they have better things to do than scan the court lists for a case that might fuel racism.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 15th January 2018, 03:08 PM

What on earth does that have to do with the EU?

Posted by: Evil Houdini 15th January 2018, 03:28 PM

Jo Marney is talking out of her arse. She's no looker herself, Meghan Markle could be in a coma and still look way better than Jo Marney. It's no surprise reading about her that she is a brexiteer even if she wasn't in a relationship with a UKIP politician.

Posted by: vidcapper 15th January 2018, 03:46 PM

I never claimed it *did* - this is not the EU thread.

Posted by: Soy Adrián 15th January 2018, 05:02 PM

It's a thread for the party that was set up to campaign for leaving the EU..?

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 15th January 2018, 05:20 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Mad Maybot etc want to leave now, no matter the cost, to stop the right vote from being split, unlike the left, and have that unfair advantage as their party gets less and less popular and membership drops. UKIP reacts by creating headlines/ being desperate. For UKIP leaving the EU always meant the end of the party ironically enough - to the point of desperate fist fights, headlines, and Farage trying to re-run the referendum.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 21st January 2018, 05:32 PM

Vote of no confidence in party leader Henry Bolton unanimously backed by UKIP NEC.

Days Bolton lasted as leader: 114
Days people knew Bolton was leader: 10
Days previous leader Paul Nuttall managed: 193
Chance of UKIP being a serious force in British politics again: 0

Posted by: Avicii 21st January 2018, 05:41 PM

If Nigie wants UKIP to be a force in politics again he should step back up to the leadership role. Clearly no one else can lead the party.

Posted by: Liаm 21st January 2018, 05:45 PM

Nor can he tho

Posted by: 5 Silas Frøkner 21st January 2018, 05:56 PM

They may as well fold tbh. Ironically the only thing keeping them afloat financial is the European Parliament.

Posted by: Harve 21st January 2018, 06:24 PM

They should disband and split off to join the Tories while the extremist faction should launch some AFD-type party. This should have happened a while ago.

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd January 2018, 07:35 AM

The second one could just as easily be 'people who knew Bolton was leader'.



UKIP will not disappear until Brexit is finalised

Posted by: Soy Adrián 22nd January 2018, 08:34 AM

As this is when their MEPs will no longer be able to sponge a salary for not turning up?

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd January 2018, 09:01 AM

Well, I was thinking more in terms of - no more danger of politicians backsliding on the referendum result.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 12:16 PM

MPs are obliged by their code of conduct to vote for what they believe to be in the national interest. If enough of them rediscover their backbone and abide by that code of conduct, they won't be "backsliding", they will be doing their duty.

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd January 2018, 12:27 PM

MP's are also aware of what the likely political consequences of reneging on a democratic vote would be!

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 01:20 PM

That's not in the code of conduct. MPs (including T May and J Corbyn) are casually voting for something that they said less than two years ago was not in the national interest.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 22nd January 2018, 01:59 PM

...and I'd add they get elected on platforms that voters assume they will be getting but usually don't. Virtually everything the Tories claimed they would do in the last 2 elections have already proven to be lies bar one: having a referendum. Telling lies is the one thing they excel at (not in getting away with it, just in the audacity of turning up in public secure in the knowledge that journalists will allow them to get away with it)!

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd January 2018, 02:46 PM

People *expect* politicians to lie, but once a policy has been implemented, they expect them to follow-through on it.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 03:04 PM

That attitude has helped to get us into this mess. Yes, people have been saying "politicians are all liars" for as long as I can remember. However, for most of that time, it simply wasn't true. Yes, they might bend the truth but out-and-out lies were rare. Then along came Cameron. That plastic-faced idiot seemed to decide that, if people expected politicians to lie, he didn't want to disappoint them. The rest of his party soon followed suit.

Note that, for the purposes of this post, I am defining a lie as a statement that the person knows to be untrue. I still think Tony Blair genuinely believed that Iraq had WMDs. The fact that he didn't question the intelligence sufficiently (or, possibly, at all) makes him negligent, not a liar. The same applies to Thatcher's inaccurate statement on Hillsborough. She could have questioned the information she was given by senior police officers, but she didn't.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 22nd January 2018, 03:42 PM

...back on topic and there have been 12 resignations since the unanimous NEC vote of no confidence in Mr Bolton but he is refusing to resign himself.

Reminds me of Corbyn!

Posted by: Popchartfreak 22nd January 2018, 04:27 PM

as some twitter wag said:

Ironic that UKIP democratically elected Bolton and then decides it doesn't like the result.

Presumably he's safe as long as only 48% of UKIPPERS resign......

Bloody UKIPREMOANERS whingeing about someone's girlfriend!

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd January 2018, 04:32 PM

Attractive on the outside - very ugly on the inside...

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 05:08 PM

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 22nd January 2018, 05:19 PM

52. 48.

So. Not great.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 22nd January 2018, 06:10 PM

Haha, so true.

UKR.I.P.

Posted by: Brett-Butler 22nd January 2018, 07:07 PM

The most ironic thing about this whole incident is that it has given UKIP their biggest press profile in ages, arguably since the General Election, quite possibly since Nuttall failed to win in Stoke. Although it sounds incredibly counterintuitive, it would surprise me if this actually gives the party a bump in the polls.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd January 2018, 10:23 PM

Erm, Farage is rarely off the airwaves. He gets far more airtime than any Lib Dem politician. Perhaps Vince Cable should have an affair with Katy Hopkins.

Posted by: vidcapper 23rd January 2018, 07:12 AM

Yawn

Posted by: Brett-Butler 26th January 2018, 07:34 PM

All 17 UKIP councilors on Thurrock Council have resigned and created a new political party. UKIP's more or less done and dusted now - this year's council elections will be a wipeout for them.

Posted by: Suedehead2 26th January 2018, 08:09 PM

They can only just do worse than last year. While they lost every single county seat they were defending (over 100 of them), they did manage to make one gain.

Posted by: vidcapper 27th January 2018, 07:21 AM

Just as long as Remainers don't seek to claim it as a rejection of their cause - for me, it is more a case of them being victims of their own success.

Posted by: Suedehead2 27th January 2018, 08:11 AM

I'd say it was more a matter of there being little difference between UKIP and the Tories.

Posted by: vidcapper 27th January 2018, 09:12 AM

I'd hardly say the Tories are united on Brexit, though.

Posted by: Doctor Blind 17th February 2018, 04:43 PM

Henry Bolton has been removed as leader at a UKIP meeting in Birmingham today.

They could also be bankrupt within days: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/feb/15/ukip-edged-towards-bankruptcy-by-judges-decision-on-legal-costs

Posted by: Bré 17th February 2018, 06:43 PM

Time for the news to stop pretending UKIP are still relevant methinks.

Posted by: Suedehead2 17th February 2018, 10:11 PM

Just five months ago UKIP members elected him as their leader. Now, having found out something they didn't know before, they have demanded the right to change their minds.

Posted by: vidcapper 18th February 2018, 07:10 AM

Irrelevant, as they achieved their goal.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 18th February 2018, 08:41 PM

Hah! Case proved m'lud.

Posted by: Popchartfreak 18th February 2018, 08:47 PM

Yes they indeed achieved their goal. They made lying to the electorate a widespread menace to democracy. They made it clear that doing propaganda deals with foreign governments (Russia) and companies targeting people with propaganda lies is the only way to make a case that would otherwise be shown to be rubbish. They had a leader who moaned about one sentence from the President of the USA about trade deals, yet who arse-licked another president, tried to get a government job out of his connections to said dodgy Russian-backed, propaganda-based, similarly-lying, fact-free, sexist, racist, campaigned in a foreign country for said President, left the USA to meet with the accused rapist running a website smearing Hillary clinton relentlessly with hacked (and ultimately non-criminal) emails, aided by Russians, and then campaigned for far-right Nazi-loving parties across Europe.

So, yes, they have achieved their goal. The goal was to try and destroy western democracy in favour of something that allows the rich and powerful to get even more rich and powerful by manipulating mugs. Job done.

PS we have yet to see how the Leaving the EU goes, and whether or not it remains a permanent feature when the margin was a mere 2% and the death rate and new voter rate will soon change things. After all, you have spent 25 years moaning about not having a referendum so you can't complain about not having another one to prove your point once facts are revealed. You can keep whinging about it, but you can't logically refuse other than "we refuse because we will lose" which is quite catchy...

Posted by: vidcapper 19th February 2018, 07:10 AM

Leave the cynicism to ShiaLemuffQueef - he does it much better than you.

Posted by: vidcapper 19th February 2018, 10:01 AM

I just stumbled on this site when looking for something else, like you do.

http://www.debate.org/opinions/does-political-correctness-do-more-harm-than-good

Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th February 2018, 10:21 AM

How very dare you - nobody does it better

Posted by: Suedehead2 19th February 2018, 11:39 AM

Makes me feel sad for the rest...

Posted by: vidcapper 19th February 2018, 11:42 AM

Not even Carly Simon?

Posted by: Popchartfreak 19th February 2018, 12:07 PM

Carly is unbeatable of course...

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd February 2018, 06:58 AM

Does it surprise you the the Mail would report a story like this?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5419173/Brits-arrested-Spain-homophobic-insults-plane.html

Three British tourists are arrested by Spanish police after ‘mocking UK couple on holiday flight to Gran Canaria for being gay’

Incident happened on a flight from East Midlands to Gran Canaria
Gay couple subjected to abuse on flight and then on bus to terminal
They gave police descriptions of the men who were then tracked down

Posted by: Popchartfreak 22nd February 2018, 01:25 PM

I'm surprised it's relatively factual with no comment one way or the other about homophobic northerners or else overly-sensitive gays being peeved by several hours of verbal slanging....

I'm not surprised it happened though. I'm from that area, and I travel to Playa Del Ingles as often as I can get away. Funny the culprits went to holiday in a very gay-friendly resort though, I mean the Yumbo centre is huge, all the bars are gay-centric and there are plenty of Tranny shows every night. Sometimes people who protest too much in front of their loud-mouthed mates are over-compensating for something....

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd February 2018, 03:05 PM

But would they have even known it was a gay-friendly resort? Holiday companies tend to tailor their advertising to whom they want to visit, and they may have omitted to mention that?

In any case, this is just idle speculation.

Posted by: ionderella 22nd February 2018, 03:44 PM

wow wow wow vidcapper

hold up. did you just seriously try to insinuate it's okay to be a loud homophobe if you merely "don't know" the laws of the place you are visiting? Regardless if it being a popular gay resport or not, which SHOULD NOT MATTER.

beyond inappropriate.

Posted by: ionderella 22nd February 2018, 03:51 PM

as for the "this is just speculation" part... what a load of nonsense. Technically yes but on a human level I'm positive this is more likely true than not. I mean come on. As if a gay couple who went to a popular gay-friendly resort in the middle of winter would lie and report someone in a foreign country just for the fun of it. I mean the plane was probably full of people, nevermind the flight attendants...

Posted by: ionderella 22nd February 2018, 03:57 PM

oh and yes don't forget that this was actually holiday companies' fault according to vidcapper. terrible terrible holiday companies not warning innocent homophobic brats that they need to stay away from certain places if they want to get away with their homphobia.

Posted by: Shia LeMuffQueef 22nd February 2018, 04:06 PM

It's no excuse.

Also, WHY does the BBC looove shoving this man down our throats?

They are so right wing now it is unreal.

His party has 2% BBTory - please reflect this.

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd February 2018, 04:34 PM

NO, I DID NOT TRY TO INSINUATE THAT - I CONDEMN HOMOPHOBIA AS MUCH AS ANYONE ELSE ON THIS FORUM!

Posted by: vidcapper 22nd February 2018, 04:36 PM

Why does virtually everyone on this forum misinterpret my comments to put them in the worst possible light?

Posted by: Klaus 22nd February 2018, 05:45 PM

I love that you put an article about three homophobic people whose policital opinion is not stated in the UKIP thread

Posted by: ionderella 22nd February 2018, 06:29 PM

when has vidcapper ever stuck to the topic at hand though

not sure how one can possibly misinterpret that comment. why would it matter if supposed holiday companies put or didn't put 'super gay-friendly' in their supposed ads and how is it even relevant.

i smell a troll post now judging by this reaction though so imma leave it at that

Posted by: Doctor Blind 22nd February 2018, 06:33 PM

Given how dead UKIP are - I think pretty much anything goes in here now.

Posted by: Suedehead2 22nd February 2018, 06:41 PM

Nobody here is tying to blame this alleged incident on the holiday company. Whether they mentioned the resort's reputation is irrelevant. Anybody going to a resort in western Europe (and the Canaries count as western Europe for this purpose) should assume that the place will be gay-friendly. They should also assume that homophobic abuse will be considered unacceptable.