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 19th October 2018, 05:29 PM
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QUOTE(JosephAvery @ Oct 19 2018, 05:42 PM)  Expecting Dave to rebound next week tbf, Promises hasn't avoided ACR Are you sure about that? |
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19th October 2018, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE(coi @ Oct 19 2018, 06:29 PM) Are you sure about that? I mean, I don't like to say I'm 100% sure until the midweeks come in to confirm it, but it *has* declined against the market this week (it's a tiny decline but still a decline). |
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19th October 2018, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(coi @ Oct 19 2018, 06:29 PM) Are you sure about that? Unfortunately it did avoid ACR as it had a slight increase in sales thanks to the vinyl release and the iTunes 59p effect |
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19th October 2018, 06:44 PM
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you never forget your first time...
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QUOTE(Hadji @ Oct 19 2018, 07:43 PM) Unfortunately it did avoid ACR as it had a slight increase in sales thanks to the vinyl release and the iTunes 59p effect It's going to ACR despite the slight increase, as I explained in my post above. |
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19th October 2018, 06:47 PM
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Is happier going to ACR soon?
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19th October 2018, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE(🎃 Cqmerqn 🎃 @ Oct 19 2018, 07:47 PM) Is happier going to ACR soon? Two more weeks of decline until it hits ACR. I hope it can manage at least one week at the top before it hits ACR |
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19th October 2018, 09:20 PM
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Worth noting that two songs from last week's top 40 have left the chart (top 100) entirely due to ACR.
 Those being '079ME' (#37) and 'Don't Leave Me Alone' (#40). I know a certain someone here will be very happy about the latter's floppage. 
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19th October 2018, 09:38 PM
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Promises has avoided ACR: any increase in combined sales resets the 3-week counter, regardless of what the market does. Earlier this year, Paradise avoided ACR with a 0.2% sales increase from 32,016 to 32,080 despite the market increasing 3.85% the same week and Paradise having decreased in sales by more than the market in both the two previous weeks (and being over 9 weeks old at the time). Plus Alan Jones says so.
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20th October 2018, 09:47 AM
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QUOTE(jimwatts @ Oct 19 2018, 10:38 PM) Promises has avoided ACR: any increase in combined sales resets the 3-week counter, regardless of what the market does. Earlier this year, Paradise avoided ACR with a 0.2% sales increase from 32,016 to 32,080 despite the market increasing 3.85% the same week and Paradise having decreased in sales by more than the market in both the two previous weeks (and being over 9 weeks old at the time). Plus Alan Jones says so. From the Official Charts Company rules: QUOTE 7.1 Streaming Ratio New releases will have a streaming to sales ratio of 100:1 (in the case of Premium Streams) or 600:1 (in the case of Ad Funded Streams) applied for the combining of chart eligible transactions. These ratios will be known as the Standard Chart Ratios (SCR) After 3 consecutive weeks of decline a stream to sale ratio of 200:1 (in the case of Premium Streams) or 1200:1 (in the case of Ad Funded Streams) will be applied. These ratios will be known as the Accelerated Chart Ratios (ACR) “Decline" is defined as negative week on week variance of combined sales and streams and which is below the market rate of change week on week. So yes it is measured against the market - I don't know what happened with Paradise that week, it's anomaly in my eyes. I guess the midweeks will tell us the full story on Monday because unfortunately the information I have doesn't give the ACR status. Nevertheless, the market increased by 1.3% so Promises has technically registered a decline. Also: Alan Jones makes mistakes on a near-weekly basis. I wouldn't really call him reliable. |
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20th October 2018, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE “Decline" is defined as negative week on week variance of combined sales and streams and which is below the market rate of change week on week. Does this not mean the song has to decline in chart sales and for that decline to be more than the market decline. So as 'Promises' hasn't declined in chart sales, it avoids ACR? I'm inclined to believe Alan Jones on this especially given the earlier example of 'Paradise' narrowly avoiding ACR. Has there been an example of a song increasing sales yet going to ACR? |
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20th October 2018, 10:08 AM
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Perhaps I'm confused, it wouldn't be the first time, I purposely haven't said anything concrete because I have no way of knowing for sure until Monday's midweek update, but it feels very odd for them to implement such a rule and only do it half-arsed like that. There's no point in measuring against the market if they don't consider a gain of 1.1% against the market's gain of 1.3% as a decline too.
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20th October 2018, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(DANKENSTEIN @ Oct 20 2018, 10:53 AM) Does this not mean the song has to decline in chart sales and for that decline to be more than the market decline. So as 'Promises' hasn't declined in chart sales, it avoids ACR? I'm inclined to believe Alan Jones on this especially given the earlier example of 'Paradise' narrowly avoiding ACR. Has there been an example of a song increasing sales yet going to ACR? That's how I would interpret it. It has to satisfy two conditions - 1) A devcline in "sales" AND 2) A decline greater than the market decline. Whoever came up with the phrase "negative week on week variance of combined sales and streams" should be shot for crimes against the English language. |
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20th October 2018, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(Suedehead2 @ Oct 20 2018, 01:54 PM) That's how I would interpret it. It has to satisfy two conditions - 1) A devcline in "sales" AND 2) A decline greater than the market decline. Whoever came up with the phrase "negative week on week variance of combined sales and streams" should be shot for crimes against the English language. Its the correct terminology though The way you put it is common folk speak though |
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20th October 2018, 02:45 PM
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so looks like,
if you drop by 1 sale, and the market increases, it is considered a decline but if you increase by 1 sale, whatever the market does, it's an increase |
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20th October 2018, 09:30 PM
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I can't wait for afro bashment to die, such a boring genre. Advice and Ay Caramba sound pretty much exactly what I expected them to sound like before I heard them. Funky Friday is a masterpiece in comparison, at least it doesn't have that flaming beat.
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21st October 2018, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE(DANKENSTEIN @ Oct 19 2018, 10:20 PM) Worth noting that two songs from last week's top 40 have left the chart (top 100) entirely due to ACR. Those being '079ME' (#37) and 'Don't Leave Me Alone' (#40). I know Fixed |
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21st October 2018, 12:36 PM
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Ridiculous these market decline rules!
If Promises is on ACR it'll be a ridiculous looking fall from the top!! |
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22nd October 2018, 07:15 AM
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These Days is another previous case: it increased in combined sales by less than the market in its 7th and 8th weeks, then decreased by more than the market in its 9th week, but because of those increases it avoided ACR in its 10th week, which is when it went to #1 (famously replacing the ACR-hit God's Plan). Therefore, unless the OCC have reinterpreted their own rules without acknowledgement, Promises will have avoided ACR for now.
As for their logic behind measuring declines against the market but not increases, I think I understand it but it's tricky to explain - let's see where Promises is in the midweeks first 
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