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 1st December 2017, 11:37 AM
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Beyonce long gave up caring about chart placings as far as I can tell. Otherwise she would have carried on making music of the I am Sasha Fierce ilk rather than developing her craft and becoming more critically acclaimed etc.
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1st December 2017, 11:43 AM
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Copied from the iTunes Update Thread:
Christmas Songs in the Top 200 [33]  17| Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You (also #27)[47] 31| Wham! - Last Christmas (also #57)[48] 33| The Pogues feat. Kirsty MacColl - Fairytale Of New York (also #51)[56] 36| Roy Wood & Wizzard - I Wish It Could Be Christmas Everyday[49] 37| Shakin' Stevens - Merry Christmas Everyone[81] 49| Band Aid - Do They Know It's Christmas?[67] 53| Chris Rea - Driving Home For Christmas[107] 59| Elton John - Step Into Christmas[98] 62| Brenda Lee - Rockin' Around The Christmas Tree[123] 80| Michael Bublé - It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas[132] 92| Slade - Merry Xmas Everybody[182] 93| Michael Bublé - Christmas (Baby Please Come Home)[128] 95| Dean Martin - Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow![144] 96| Ariana Grande - Santa Tell Me[110] 99| Paul McCartney - Wonderful Christmastime[141] 114| Kelly Clarkson - Underneath the Tree[000]  128| Trixie Mattel - Christmas Without You[000]  135| Justin Bieber - Mistletoe[000] 140| Sia - Santa's Coming For Us[185] 146| Leona Lewis - One More Sleep (also #156)[000] 159| Andy Williams - It's The Most Wonderful Time Of The Year[000] 168| The Darkness - Christmas Time (Don't Let The Bells End)[000] 177| The Crystals - Santa Claus Is Coming To Town[000] 181| Coldplay - Christmas Lights[000] 183| Darlene Love - All Alone On Christmas[000] 185| Boney M. - Mary's Boy Child / Oh My Lord[000] 188| Bing Crosby & David Bowie - Peace On Earth / Little Drummer Boy[000] 189| Kylie Minogue - Santa Baby[000] 190| The Pretenders - 2000 Miles[000] 196| Jona Lewie - Stop The Cavalry
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1st December 2017, 12:01 PM
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I'm really not so sure about Ed's Perfects being combined you know, usually I'd be like 'of course they're combined' But the actual title of the song has been changed and the crediting has been changed to a joint credit rather than a remix feature. So it seems to me like they've made another version so Bey can have a credit.
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1st December 2017, 12:01 PM
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I think it would be wrong for Beyoncé to receive a credit from the OCC. This is just a remix, it's not the main single mix (the original has had radio playlisting across the board and a music video) which differentiates it from the likes of the Little Mix singles (No More Sad Songs, Power, etc) and even Despacito (no music video for the remix but it was playlisted by radio). This to me seems more like the Eminem remix of The Weeknd's The Hills - a popular remix but the original remains the main single version and therefore Bey shouldn't get a credit.
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1st December 2017, 12:26 PM
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QUOTE(JosephStyles @ Dec 1 2017, 12:01 PM)  I think it would be wrong for Beyoncé to receive a credit from the OCC. This is just a remix, it's not the main single mix (the original has had radio playlisting across the board and a music video) which differentiates it from the likes of the Little Mix singles (No More Sad Songs, Power, etc) and even Despacito (no music video for the remix but it was playlisted by radio). This to me seems more like the Eminem remix of The Weeknd's The Hills - a popular remix but the original remains the main single version and therefore Bey shouldn't get a credit. This is why I think it'll be two separate versions on the chart. 'Ed Sheeran and Beyonce - Perfect Duet' and 'Ed Sheeran - Perfect' Just like Sam Smith and John Legend. |
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1st December 2017, 12:35 PM
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Slay Queen!
128| Trixie Mattel - Christmas Without You |
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1st December 2017, 12:44 PM
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QUOTE(Joe. @ Dec 1 2017, 12:26 PM) This is why I think it'll be two separate versions on the chart. 'Ed Sheeran and Beyonce - Perfect Duet' and 'Ed Sheeran - Perfect' Just like Sam Smith and John Legend. But why would the label want that? I thought the whole point of the remix was to push the song to #1? Of course Sam Smith/John Legend were a #1 regardless, but the Beyoncé remix won't sell enough on its own to make #1. |
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1st December 2017, 12:45 PM
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Hopefully it’s not combined!
#9 Mariah - All I Want (combined) |
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1st December 2017, 12:49 PM
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Buzzjack might not want to see this new kworb update but-
1.00 Ed Sheeran ft. Beyonce 0.37 Rita Ora 0.21 Ed Sheeran |
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1st December 2017, 12:51 PM
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QUOTE(dancember @ Dec 1 2017, 12:44 PM) Of course Sam Smith/John Legend were a #1 regardless, but the Beyoncé remix won't sell enough on its own to make #1. Are you sure? 1 Ed Sheeran - Perfect Duet (with Beyoncé) 1.0000 2 Rita Ora - Anywhere $ 0.3776 And it's not even 1PM. |
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1st December 2017, 01:04 PM
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The versions will be combined. Other than Lay Me Down which we all know the explanation for, give us one other example where they’ve been separated before? Excluding The Greatest which happened in error on the sales only chart?
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1st December 2017, 01:08 PM
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Jesus. It’s absolutely destroying iTunes.
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1st December 2017, 01:09 PM
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but has there been another case where the new version also has a new title???
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1st December 2017, 01:14 PM
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How can they possibly not credit Beyoncé when it’s with her help that it’s got to number 1 in the first place (assuming it does)? I think that would be wrong. She plays a substantial part on the duet.
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1st December 2017, 01:17 PM
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111. Breathe (feat. Ina Wroldsen) - Jax Jones
Good lord. I thought this'd be low top 40 at LEAST by now 
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1st December 2017, 01:17 PM
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It's not really a new title though? If it was uploaded as 'Perfect (Duet)' we would not be having this conversation. Even then though, I can think of at least one case where the title was changed and they were still combined - David Guetta et al.'s 'Gettin' Over You' was combined with the album version 'Gettin' Over'. And that did have different artist credits as well (Chris Willis was upgraded from just a feature to being a joint lead credit). I would be shocked if they weren't combined. I think they only separate versions if the lead artist is different (with 'Lay Me Down' being an exception because ??? charity I guess but that always seemed a bit unnecessary).
Looking like it will be a very easy #1 this week anyway of course, off to a very strong start. More interested to see how this new version does on Spotify. If it debuts at or near #1 there then that is probably game over for the Xmas #1 already unless it dies off very very quickly. QUOTE(MishaB @ Dec 1 2017, 01:14 PM) How can they possibly not credit Beyoncé when it’s with her help that it’s got to number 1 in the first place (assuming it does)? I think that would be wrong. She plays a substantial part on the duet. Because it's just a remix, it's not the main version of the song that they're pushing. But regardless, it's up to the label to decide whether they want Beyoncé to now be credited or not. |
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1st December 2017, 01:18 PM
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QUOTE(cqmerqn @ Dec 1 2017, 11:28 AM) The new Perfect sounds different too, so I don’t think it will be combined Think that’s the whole point of a remix, to make it sound different, I’m not sure though
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1st December 2017, 01:19 PM
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I'm not saying "Breathe" is a huge flop btw
I expect it'll be a decent sized hit come the middle/latter end of January! 
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1st December 2017, 01:21 PM
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I don’t think the title has been changed. I think it’s literally the ‘Perfect’ Duet. I don’t think the word duet is literally part of the title.
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1st December 2017, 01:25 PM
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QUOTE(Michael Bubré @ Dec 1 2017, 02:17 PM) It's not really a new title though? If it was uploaded as 'Perfect (Duet)' we would not be having this conversation. Even then though, I can think of at least one case where the title was changed and they were still combined - David Guetta et al.'s 'Gettin' Over You' was combined with the album version 'Gettin' Over'. And that did have different artist credits as well (Chris Willis was upgraded from just a feature to being a joint lead credit). I would be shocked if they weren't combined. I think they only separate versions if the lead artist is different (with 'Lay Me Down' being an exception because ??? charity I guess but that always seemed a bit unnecessary). Looking like it will be a very easy #1 this week anyway of course, off to a very strong start. More interested to see how this new version does on Spotify. If it debuts at or near #1 there then that is probably game over for the Xmas #1 already unless it dies off very very quickly. Because it's just a remix, it's not the main version of the song that they're pushing. But regardless, it's up to the label to decide whether they want Beyoncé to now be credited or not. Yeah I reckon OCC by default will combine them, but if the label request it to be separate they will separate it. I wonder how this will all affect the Christmas Number 1 bets if it ends up making it. This post has been edited by AcerBen: 1st December 2017, 01:25 PM |
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